[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-16 Thread charlie 
Ditto..I don't use no stinkin bicycle computer! Knowing the
mileage might be nice but I suppose a map works. To figure speed I use
a pencil, paper and my watch but seldom do that anymore. When I had a
computer I found myself looking at it instead of the road.kind of
dangerous.

On Feb 16, 5:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Thanks to all for the Garmin info. No, I will not bite -- more data
> scanning than I need. I wish someone would make a small, fork-mount --
> no wire needed -- electric odometer, an update to those old star-wheel
> clickers that they had when I was a boy.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > Patrick,
>
> > All Garmin units work off the satellite network. They are also compatible 
> > with the wheel sensor to track distance if you lose the satellite 
> > connection that mounts on the left chain stay so the magnet goes on the 
> > rear wheel. If you also put a magnet on the left pedal crank, it will also 
> > track cadence.
>
> > The Edge units mount on the stem or the handlebar with the same mount than 
> > you just twist 90 deg. You can also carry them on a pocket, bag, etc. The
> > Edge 800 is their latest top of the line unit with touch screen 
> > functionality, the 705 has almost the same functions minus some features 
> > and was their previous top model. 605 is the same minus barometric 
> > altimeter. They all use maps and provide routing. The 305 and 205 don't 
> > have mapping capabilities and the difference is the barometric altimeter 
> > and perhaps a few other details I cannot recall. The 500 is like the 800 
> > minus the mapping capability.
>
> > Garmin has other lines that are worn on the wrist aimed at runners 
> > primarily without mapping but they are all compatible with the bike 
> > sensors. By mapping I mean displaying a map and routing you. They all 
> > record your route and upload it to software that will show you a map of 
> > your ride.
>
> > The 800 is supposed to last more than 12 hours on a battery charge, but it 
> > also depends on how many sensors you are using, back light, etc.  For 
> > touring you can use one of the many devices that are either external 
> > battery packs or devices to use your dynamo hub to recharge/power the unit. 
> >  These can also be used with other units like iPhones, etc.
>
> > The 800/705 as well as other handheld Garmin units allow you to buy maps 
> > and even satellite terrain so you can see the actual ground you're riding 
> > on, instead of just the topography and/or major roads. This is particularly 
> > useful for me when mountain biking because I can see the actual trails as 
> > long as they are not under the cover of foliage. It has helped me explore 
> > new trails plenty of times.
>
> > All the cycling and running units are wireless. Heart rate, bike sensor and 
> > even power, for those that read it. They can use any ANT+ compatible sensor.
>
> > René
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:12 AM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> >> on 2/16/11 7:48 AM, PATRICK MOORE at [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>> Tell me about this Garmin: what sort of wheel sensor does it use? Is
> >>> it wireless? Does it mount on the bar or go in a pocket?
>
> >> The Garmin (and others) are GPS based, reading your change in position via
> >> the GPS satellite system.
>
> >> I've been messing around with an iPhone-based app called "Cyclemeter"
> >> (thanks to RBW-weekend-guy Harry) which is optimized (from a user interface
> >> pov) for cycling, walking and running.  It allows you to upload or transfer
> >> the .gpx files, which  other sites turn into mapping data (and there's a
> >> mapping function w/in the program).  It seems pretty nice, but I haven't
> >> worked deeply with it.  I've been using it to indirectly record post-work,
> >> non-regular-route commutes home.
>
> >> My second-hand impression of the feedback on the SF Randonneurs list is 
> >> that
> >> the GPS-specific rigs are more efficient in battery life.  There are some
> >> "logging" units which have little in the way of interface quality, but just
> >> tracking where you go (and have longer use per charge).
>
> >> hope that helps,
> >> - Jim
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Norris 
I used a Garmin 205 (I think that was the model number) for several years. For 
90% of riding it was great, but the battery didn't last quite long enough for a 
double century, forcing me to carry a backup and a cord to connect the unit to 
the battery. Also, the internal memory would only hold about 300 miles of 
route, which meant that I wasn't able to record the entire PBP route. I imagine 
they've fixed that problem in the latest models.

Having GPS came in handy in France when I got separated from the group on a 
training ride. The Garmin unit got me back to town by backtracking the route we 
had taken on the way out.

--Eric N

On Feb 16, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Lee  wrote:

> Hi Patrick. I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 that I mainly use when
> running or biking new routes, to calculate total distances. When using
> it for biking, I just turn it on, sync it with the GPS network, and
> throw it in my bag. When I'm done with the ride, I'll take it out and
> check the total miles. Usually, I'll also download the information to
> a free application on my laptop, as it will also automatically record
> your route on a map for later reference, as well as other info, like
> elevation profile. One nice thing about it is that it doesn't have a
> read-out for MPH/KPH, so you won't be tempted/distracted by how fast/
> slow you are going ;)
> 
> I like it, but I don't use it very often. That's my wishy-washy
> endorsement.
> 
> Best,
> Lee
> SF, CA
> 
> On Feb 16, 7:48 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Tell me about this Garmin: what sort of wheel sensor does it use? Is
>> it wireless? Does it mount on the bar or go in a pocket?
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to measure distance without obsessing about speed,
>> without wires and, especially, without an annoying "pace arrow"
>> average speed indicator. OTOH, I wonder if I need another electronic
>> gadget.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
>>> I'm a geek and on all my bikes, except for the Betty I carry my Garmin Edge
>>> 800. Use it for HR control because I like seeing those numbers; use it to
>>> find destinations that I need to ride to but don't know how to get to, as
>>> part of my goal to bike more and ride less; use it mountain biking to learn
>>> new trails and routes, but have yet to learn how to properly plan a route
>>> and then follow it along. A couple of years ago tried to do the Power thing,
>>> but found it meaningless for me. Still have that wheelset on the Homer, but
>>> will likely try to sell it soon. Also check my cadence a lot. Cadence to me
>>> is even more important than HR. Like to also check for other pieces of
>>> meaningless information that I could very easily live without and keep a
>>> couple of online logs at Training Peaks and Garmin Connect.
>> 
>>> Now that there are several very good iPhone cycling apps, I've played with a
>>> few and for off-road riding, I like MotionX GPS and just downloaded a new
>>> one to check out.
>> 
>>> Could I live without it? Absolutely!!! Do I love playing with it?
>>> Absolutely!!!
>> 
>>> René
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-16 Thread Lee 
Hi Patrick. I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 that I mainly use when
running or biking new routes, to calculate total distances. When using
it for biking, I just turn it on, sync it with the GPS network, and
throw it in my bag. When I'm done with the ride, I'll take it out and
check the total miles. Usually, I'll also download the information to
a free application on my laptop, as it will also automatically record
your route on a map for later reference, as well as other info, like
elevation profile. One nice thing about it is that it doesn't have a
read-out for MPH/KPH, so you won't be tempted/distracted by how fast/
slow you are going ;)

I like it, but I don't use it very often. That's my wishy-washy
endorsement.

Best,
Lee
SF, CA

On Feb 16, 7:48 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Tell me about this Garmin: what sort of wheel sensor does it use? Is
> it wireless? Does it mount on the bar or go in a pocket?
>
> I'd like to be able to measure distance without obsessing about speed,
> without wires and, especially, without an annoying "pace arrow"
> average speed indicator. OTOH, I wonder if I need another electronic
> gadget.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > I'm a geek and on all my bikes, except for the Betty I carry my Garmin Edge
> > 800. Use it for HR control because I like seeing those numbers; use it to
> > find destinations that I need to ride to but don't know how to get to, as
> > part of my goal to bike more and ride less; use it mountain biking to learn
> > new trails and routes, but have yet to learn how to properly plan a route
> > and then follow it along. A couple of years ago tried to do the Power thing,
> > but found it meaningless for me. Still have that wheelset on the Homer, but
> > will likely try to sell it soon. Also check my cadence a lot. Cadence to me
> > is even more important than HR. Like to also check for other pieces of
> > meaningless information that I could very easily live without and keep a
> > couple of online logs at Training Peaks and Garmin Connect.
>
> > Now that there are several very good iPhone cycling apps, I've played with a
> > few and for off-road riding, I like MotionX GPS and just downloaded a new
> > one to check out.
>
> > Could I live without it? Absolutely!!! Do I love playing with it?
> > Absolutely!!!
>
> > René
>
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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread rob markwardt 
Every year I think I'll start to record my mileage (I do this the old
fashioned way...google maps and excel).  Every year about February
15th I think...this is really a pain in the a@@. Every year about
February 16th I start riding with no motive.  Coincides with the end
of my stop drinking, stop eating sugar, start doing pushups, etc.
plans.

On Feb 15, 8:09 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> I'm a geek and on all my bikes, except for the Betty I carry my Garmin Edge
> 800. Use it for HR control because I like seeing those numbers; use it to
> find destinations that I need to ride to but don't know how to get to, as
> part of my goal to bike more and ride less; use it mountain biking to learn
> new trails and routes, but have yet to learn how to properly plan a route
> and then follow it along. A couple of years ago tried to do the Power thing,
> but found it meaningless for me. Still have that wheelset on the Homer, but
> will likely try to sell it soon. Also check my cadence a lot. Cadence to me
> is even more important than HR. Like to also check for other pieces of
> meaningless information that I could very easily live without and keep a
> couple of online logs at Training Peaks and Garmin Connect.
>
> Now that there are several very good iPhone cycling apps, I've played with a
> few and for off-road riding, I like MotionX GPS and just downloaded a new
> one to check out.
>
> Could I live without it? Absolutely!!! Do I love playing with it?
> Absolutely!!!
>
> René

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Bill M. 
I used computers for a few years, then not for a few.  When I bought a
new go-fast two years ago, I went all in and bought a Sigma Rox 9 to
go with it.  It doesn't have GPS built in, but does have about
everything else - speed/time/distance, cadence, heart rate and
altitude, plus data logging and a USB connection to the PC.  When
logging it takes a 'snapshot' of speed, distance, altitude and heart
rate every 5 - 20 seconds.  The data can be downloaded to the computer
to generate route profiles and track total mileage, climbing, calories
burned, etc.  Not at all Riv-approved, but I do like having the HRM
data and the profiles of climbs.  Last year I bought a second mount,
so I can swap it between two bikes.  It has one big advantage over
GPS's - the battery life is well over a year, compared to a few hours
for a Garmin.

there are still a few bikes in the garage that are computer-less,
including my Riv Road, and I won't support two computers so they will
stay that way.  I'm not compulsive about tracking every ride, and I
can still estimate my speed pretty well by eye and feel.  I like
having the computer on hard, hilly rides, I don't miss it on easy
rambles.

To everything there is a reason, and a time to every purpose under
Heaven.
A time to ride flats, a time to ride hills
A time to ride fast, a time to ride slow
A time to draft another man's wheel
A time to refrain from drafting...

(Apologies to Ecclesiastes and the Byrds)

Bill



On Feb 15, 7:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> How many of y'all have computers on your bikes? The Avocet 35 on my
> gofast failed after many years and I am very tempted not to replace
> it. But weaning myself from the numbers is surprisingly hard,
> particularly mileage numbers.
>
> What do y'all do? Do you use computers? Just a watch to time yourself?
> Just ride and say the heck with it?
>
> Note: I'll still like going fast; I'm just not the rambling type. But
> I can ride hard even without the computer.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected]

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread doug peterson 
I generally don't bother.  They are handy on tours in unknown areas
for keeping track of distance.  I lost the receiving unit a couple of
years ago on Day 1 of a 2 week tour, didn't miss it much & haven't
replaced it.  Here in the US most places have decent milepost systems
& the rest of the world favors big kilometer blocks on major roads.  A
computer is handy on un-marked & secondary roads.  I think it's a
comfort factor more than a real necessity.

dougP

On Feb 15, 7:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> How many of y'all have computers on your bikes? The Avocet 35 on my
> gofast failed after many years and I am very tempted not to replace
> it. But weaning myself from the numbers is surprisingly hard,
> particularly mileage numbers.
>
> What do y'all do? Do you use computers? Just a watch to time yourself?
> Just ride and say the heck with it?
>
> Note: I'll still like going fast; I'm just not the rambling type. But
> I can ride hard even without the computer.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected]

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Pesce 
I am also a sometime-user. I like knowing distance, and my phone does
not get a reliable signal in the areas I ride, so map apps don't work
all the time.

I have a Knog Nerd computer that I like mostly because it's very easy
on/off, so I only need to have it on the bike when going for longer
rides, and not around town, etc.

cm- I use the rear wheel/seatpost trick with my computer when the bike
is on the trainer. The only trick was getting the sensor close enough
to the spoke magnet - the seat stays are much farther from the spokes
than the fork blades.

-Pete

On Feb 15, 12:53 pm, cm  wrote:
> I am a sometimes-computer user. I dont really have an issue with not
> knowing the speed but not knowing the distance is tough for me. I
> usually go to mapmyride.com to get the distance.
>
> I am going to try to mount the computer to the seatpost but havent
> yet-- then I would have all the info after the ride but none of the
> distraction during the ride. Anyone tried this? Curious if wireless or
> cable would be the way to go. Could you use the back wheel?
>
> Cheers!
> cm

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread mike 

I often cary a GPS, a garmin trail model.  I don't have anything other
than base maps loaded, it's purely a spedometer, odometer, altimiter.

Sometimes the thing sits in a bag, but if I cary it, it's usually on
the handlebar mount.

When I get home, I can load the tracks into a tracking/mapping
database called myTourBook.  Especially if I ride into the mountains
(I'm in Colorado) it's fun to see the elevation changes.

I keep track of milage totals for the year.

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Roy Yates 
I agree with kelly that if you like to explore and you live in a place
like NJ where the roads are jumbled, planning a route beforehand and
following it on your garmin is very agreable. You can do a lot more
looking around and a lot less thinking about your direction,  and the
future turns you need to make to get back home. If you lay out a route
beforehand and you know the distance and the vertical fett climbing,
you can give your wife a good estimate of what time you'll get home.

However, I think the garmin with the maps is even nicer. I find it's a
kind of reinforcement  learning for  what roads are  ok and what roads
are genuinely lovely cycling roads. In NJ, the nicest cycling roads
are off the beaten path and easily missed. Finding the nice roads
makes riding more fun.

...Roy

On Feb 15, 1:03 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> I like having my garmin with a course file loaded.. 305.  I don't need maps 
> the black line showing where I started or a route in deviate from and get 
> back to is wonderful.  On tour I hate trying to keep it charged up.
>
> You can set it up as elevation and compass ignoring speed / distance which 
> shows up when I plug into computer.  Around town it doesn't leave the house.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 11:53 AM, cm  wrote:
>
> > I am a sometimes-computer user. I dont really have an issue with not
> > knowing the speed but not knowing the distance is tough for me. I
> > usually go to mapmyride.com to get the distance.
>
> > I am going to try to mount the computer to the seatpost but havent
> > yet-- then I would have all the info after the ride but none of the
> > distraction during the ride. Anyone tried this? Curious if wireless or
> > cable would be the way to go. Could you use the back wheel?
>
> > Cheers!
> > cm
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Kelly Sleeper 
I like having my garmin with a course file loaded.. 305.  I don't need maps the 
black line showing where I started or a route in deviate from and get back to 
is wonderful.  On tour I hate trying to keep it charged up.

You can set it up as elevation and compass ignoring speed / distance which 
shows up when I plug into computer.  Around town it doesn't leave the house.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2011, at 11:53 AM, cm  wrote:

> I am a sometimes-computer user. I dont really have an issue with not
> knowing the speed but not knowing the distance is tough for me. I
> usually go to mapmyride.com to get the distance.
> 
> I am going to try to mount the computer to the seatpost but havent
> yet-- then I would have all the info after the ride but none of the
> distraction during the ride. Anyone tried this? Curious if wireless or
> cable would be the way to go. Could you use the back wheel?
> 
> Cheers!
> cm
> 
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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread cm 
I am a sometimes-computer user. I dont really have an issue with not
knowing the speed but not knowing the distance is tough for me. I
usually go to mapmyride.com to get the distance.

I am going to try to mount the computer to the seatpost but havent
yet-- then I would have all the info after the ride but none of the
distraction during the ride. Anyone tried this? Curious if wireless or
cable would be the way to go. Could you use the back wheel?

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread William 
I have my brevet bike computerized, but only use it to guess where the
turns are for unfamiliar routes.  I also use it as a motivational tool
for nearing completion and keeping on pace to finish before dark or
finish in time to meet my wife and kids for dinner, etc.

I also have a store of vintage cyclometers that I think are really
cool.  I have two Avocet Altimeter 50s that are fun for big climbing
rides.  I also still have the first cyclometer I ever owned, an
ANCIENT cateye CC-1000.  It takes two AA batteries for goodness sake.
It weighs like half a pound.  It's just too awesome to get rid of.
Magnificently dorky.  I've verified it still works, but haven't put it
on a bike lately.  It was in a box in my parents attic undisturbed for
~20years.  If I ever set up a vintage early 80s bike I'll throw that
on.  Or I'll put it on the brevet bike for an event just to get more
confused comments from the randos.

On Feb 15, 9:35 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> When I sold my go fast, it only took me 10 years to figure out that it
> was probably too small for me, at first I rode my steel bike with no
> computer but while I was haunting the used parts bins at Recycled
> Cycles in Seattle's university district I stumbled across a wireless
> cateye with a dead battery that I was able to pick up for $5, and with
> $4 more in battery I had a working wireless cycle-computer couldn't
> resist setting it up but it is a positive step down from the Polar
> 720i that gave me reams of data and was computer down loadable.
>
> My plan is to build a go fast again, move the cateye over to it, and
> go "data-less" on the commuter/townie/camper bike, as someone
> mentioned above if I get desperate for mileage I can always go to map
> my ride and figure it out.
>
> Good luck Patrick and if you do decide to replace your avocet I highly
> recommend the cateye wireless very easy to set up and use and not
> "over functioned"
>
> Ryan
> West Seattle
>
> On Feb 15, 9:17 am, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
>
> > I didn't have a computer on my Atlantis up until last year when I started
> > doing gravel races that require riders to follow the course using queue
> > sheets that are based on specific distances. I never really had a desire to
> > put a computer on the bike before that. I've had them on other bikes in the
> > past and sort of fell into the routine of being a slave to them. But this
> > time I've tried not to let myself go down that road. I just try to use it as
> > a source of information and not to gauge my performance. In some ways I like
> > knowing how far I've gone and how fast I covered the distance, etc. But I'm
> > fine without one too, when I don't need it as a means to navigate. I guess
> > you could say I can take them or leave them.
>
> > Shaun Meehan
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread SISDDWG 
I haven't used a computer for about five years. After thirty-some
years of cycling I can estimate my velocity fairly accurately. Ninety-
eight percent of my rides are on routes that I know the milage. I
don't miss the computers at all. Actually I'm glad to get rid of that
stuff.

On Feb 15, 7:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> How many of y'all have computers on your bikes? The Avocet 35 on my
> gofast failed after many years and I am very tempted not to replace
> it. But weaning myself from the numbers is surprisingly hard,
> particularly mileage numbers.
>
> What do y'all do? Do you use computers? Just a watch to time yourself?
> Just ride and say the heck with it?
>
> Note: I'll still like going fast; I'm just not the rambling type. But
> I can ride hard even without the computer.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected]

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread RoadieRyan 
When I sold my go fast, it only took me 10 years to figure out that it
was probably too small for me, at first I rode my steel bike with no
computer but while I was haunting the used parts bins at Recycled
Cycles in Seattle's university district I stumbled across a wireless
cateye with a dead battery that I was able to pick up for $5, and with
$4 more in battery I had a working wireless cycle-computer couldn't
resist setting it up but it is a positive step down from the Polar
720i that gave me reams of data and was computer down loadable.

My plan is to build a go fast again, move the cateye over to it, and
go "data-less" on the commuter/townie/camper bike, as someone
mentioned above if I get desperate for mileage I can always go to map
my ride and figure it out.

Good luck Patrick and if you do decide to replace your avocet I highly
recommend the cateye wireless very easy to set up and use and not
"over functioned"

Ryan
West Seattle

On Feb 15, 9:17 am, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
> I didn't have a computer on my Atlantis up until last year when I started
> doing gravel races that require riders to follow the course using queue
> sheets that are based on specific distances. I never really had a desire to
> put a computer on the bike before that. I've had them on other bikes in the
> past and sort of fell into the routine of being a slave to them. But this
> time I've tried not to let myself go down that road. I just try to use it as
> a source of information and not to gauge my performance. In some ways I like
> knowing how far I've gone and how fast I covered the distance, etc. But I'm
> fine without one too, when I don't need it as a means to navigate. I guess
> you could say I can take them or leave them.
>
> Shaun Meehan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Shaun Meehan 
I didn't have a computer on my Atlantis up until last year when I started
doing gravel races that require riders to follow the course using queue
sheets that are based on specific distances. I never really had a desire to
put a computer on the bike before that. I've had them on other bikes in the
past and sort of fell into the routine of being a slave to them. But this
time I've tried not to let myself go down that road. I just try to use it as
a source of information and not to gauge my performance. In some ways I like
knowing how far I've gone and how fast I covered the distance, etc. But I'm
fine without one too, when I don't need it as a means to navigate. I guess
you could say I can take them or leave them.

Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Rick 
I'll start the cyclemeter app on the iphone to map a new route, but
that's it.

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread [email protected] 
I have computers that I use most of the time.  They're fun to play
with on the bike.

On Feb 15, 8:47 am, Minh  wrote:
> I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch.  I
> don't have a bike computer bolted on, but the GPS watch i use (garmin
> forerunner 305) is a running watch, but it also works on the bike
> (since it's GPS based and not pedometer).  It talks to my HRM (more
> for health then for training), syncs to my computer for logging.  And
> i can keep it in my bag if i don't want to stare at it on the
> handlebar.
>
> but i'm a data nut, but more just for logging and journaling, just
> curious about where i've been or overall times etc, not to improve my
> times or for training.
>
> i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward
> for running and i really wanted HRM integration.
>
> On Feb 15, 11:33 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > I like knowing the time of day
>
> > My Bell & Ross watch does an exemplary job with this.
>
> > > mileage, speed
>
> > I have never used a bike specific computer.  Over the years I have
> > become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on
> > experience.  The few times I have ridden with people who have
> > computers they have verified I am pretty close.
>
> > > It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes.
>
> > As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at
> > some of the good mapping programs.  Apple and Android have more than
> > one available.  I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day
> > rides.  For touring, smart phone maps come in handy.
>
> > On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33  wrote:
>
> > > Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
> > > also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
> > > routes.
>
> > > On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > > When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> > > > not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> > > > I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> > > > fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> > > > the information.
>
> > > > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread rperks 
I have a few regular routes that I ride, and have mapped them out on
bikely or ridewithgps.  From there I just look at the garge clock on
the way out and on the way in.  Rambling is fun, but I find with life
commitments having some idea of the ground I can cover, average speeds
for terrain types etc, helps to make it home on time.  I ride at least
5 days a week, I go further by staying in decent enough shape to go
fast and cover ground then have some time ot enjoy the places a little
further afield, then cruise home in time to get back to the rest of
the day.  I find haveing a rough idea of my averages also helps when
sketching out a new-to-me route.  Having some idea of my speeds allows
me to roughly plan new adventures and still pull it off in a hour or
two before work.  Like wise knowing you can sustain 10 or 16 mph
averages over a 5 or 6 hour ride make a huge difference on a Saturday
morning when you set off on a hundred miles or more.

While riding to the numbers is more confining than a 3 piece suit, for
me riding totaly blind is not much better.

Rob

On Feb 15, 7:44 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> How many of y'all have computers on your bikes? The Avocet 35 on my
> gofast failed after many years and I am very tempted not to replace
> it. But weaning myself from the numbers is surprisingly hard,
> particularly mileage numbers.
>
> What do y'all do? Do you use computers? Just a watch to time yourself?
> Just ride and say the heck with it?
>
> Note: I'll still like going fast; I'm just not the rambling type. But
> I can ride hard even without the computer.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
> Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Jon Grant 
OOPS. I meant ³I DO think it¹s entirely in line Š²
--
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From: Jon Grant 
Reply-To: 
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:58:13 -0600
To: 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

From: Minh asserted:
I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch. 

---

Minh, I don't think it is entirely in line with the RBW spirit, at least as
I understand it. If the GPS/HRM satisfies some need or want of yours and
enhances your bicycle time in some way, then it's right for you, which I
think is a major tenet of the spirit.

Personally, I have a computer in self defense, as my wife always wants to
know the details of my ride, including the numbers. I would otherwise not
care so much one way or the other.

--
Jon "Papa" Grant
Illustration + Information Graphics
Austin, Texas
[email protected]
512-284-9599

Portfolio at <http://www.behance.net/papagrant>




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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread JoelMatthews 
> i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward
> for running and i really wanted HRM integration.

On the bike I put my smart phone in the handlebar bag.

On Feb 15, 10:47 am, Minh  wrote:
> I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch.  I
> don't have a bike computer bolted on, but the GPS watch i use (garmin
> forerunner 305) is a running watch, but it also works on the bike
> (since it's GPS based and not pedometer).  It talks to my HRM (more
> for health then for training), syncs to my computer for logging.  And
> i can keep it in my bag if i don't want to stare at it on the
> handlebar.
>
> but i'm a data nut, but more just for logging and journaling, just
> curious about where i've been or overall times etc, not to improve my
> times or for training.
>
> i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward
> for running and i really wanted HRM integration.
>
> On Feb 15, 11:33 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > I like knowing the time of day
>
> > My Bell & Ross watch does an exemplary job with this.
>
> > > mileage, speed
>
> > I have never used a bike specific computer.  Over the years I have
> > become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on
> > experience.  The few times I have ridden with people who have
> > computers they have verified I am pretty close.
>
> > > It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes.
>
> > As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at
> > some of the good mapping programs.  Apple and Android have more than
> > one available.  I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day
> > rides.  For touring, smart phone maps come in handy.
>
> > On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33  wrote:
>
> > > Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
> > > also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
> > > routes.
>
> > > On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > > When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> > > > not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> > > > I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> > > > fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> > > > the information.
>
> > > > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Jon Grant 
From: Minh asserted:
I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch. 

---

Minh, I don't think it is entirely in line with the RBW spirit, at least as
I understand it. If the GPS/HRM satisfies some need or want of yours and
enhances your bicycle time in some way, then it's right for you, which I
think is a major tenet of the spirit.

Personally, I have a computer in self defense, as my wife always wants to
know the details of my ride, including the numbers. I would otherwise not
care so much one way or the other.

--
Jon "Papa" Grant
Illustration + Information Graphics
Austin, Texas
[email protected]
512-284-9599

Portfolio at 



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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Minh 
I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch.  I
don't have a bike computer bolted on, but the GPS watch i use (garmin
forerunner 305) is a running watch, but it also works on the bike
(since it's GPS based and not pedometer).  It talks to my HRM (more
for health then for training), syncs to my computer for logging.  And
i can keep it in my bag if i don't want to stare at it on the
handlebar.

but i'm a data nut, but more just for logging and journaling, just
curious about where i've been or overall times etc, not to improve my
times or for training.

i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward
for running and i really wanted HRM integration.


On Feb 15, 11:33 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > I like knowing the time of day
>
> My Bell & Ross watch does an exemplary job with this.
>
> > mileage, speed
>
> I have never used a bike specific computer.  Over the years I have
> become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on
> experience.  The few times I have ridden with people who have
> computers they have verified I am pretty close.
>
> > It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes.
>
> As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at
> some of the good mapping programs.  Apple and Android have more than
> one available.  I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day
> rides.  For touring, smart phone maps come in handy.
>
> On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
> > also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
> > routes.
>
> > On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> > > not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> > > I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> > > fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> > > the information.
>
> > > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread JoelMatthews 
> I like knowing the time of day

My Bell & Ross watch does an exemplary job with this.

> mileage, speed

I have never used a bike specific computer.  Over the years I have
become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on
experience.  The few times I have ridden with people who have
computers they have verified I am pretty close.

> It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes.

As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at
some of the good mapping programs.  Apple and Android have more than
one available.  I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day
rides.  For touring, smart phone maps come in handy.

On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33  wrote:
> Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
> also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
> routes.
>
> On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> > not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> > I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> > fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> > the information.
>
> > --mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread stevep33 
Computers.  I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc.  It
also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new
routes.

On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike  wrote:
> When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> the information.
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Paul Yeoh 
Yeah, I'd vote no computer unless you're training for a race and have
benchmarks to meet.

My cateye strada wireless got knocked off its bracket on an off road
ride and I'm not replacing it. I don't race and I find the computer
distracts me from the road when I get curious about the ride stats.

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Earl Grey 
Ditching your computer to increase your riding enjoyment is another
Rivendell cliché that has turned out to be completely true for me. I
don't worry about riding far "enough" or fast "enough" anymore, I just
enjoy the ride. I do use a GPS from time to time to follow a pre-set
route through new-to-me tertiary roads, or to map trails that don't
exist on maps, and sometimes I do look at the mileage and average
speed stats on the GPS, but it doesn't affect me the way it used to
when my speed is lower than I think it should be.

Occasionally I would like to know how many miles I have biked in a
year, or in 10, but even with computers I was never diligent about
keeping track of total miles, so I am okay with/resigned to not
knowing.

Cheers,

Gernot


On Feb 15, 10:49 pm, Mike  wrote:
> When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
> not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
> I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
> fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
> the information.
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?

2011-02-15 Thread Mike 
When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after
not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series
I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was
fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in
the information.

--mike

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