Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Not a problem, just something which requires a bit of attention. FD is Shimano Tiagra. On Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:13:03 AM UTC+3, Patrick Moore wrote: > > My Sam came with a 113 and the XD2 triple, and with an LX fd it all > worked perfectly. When I transferred the bb, crankset, and fd to the wider > stayed Fargo, it continued to work perfectly (well, except for sucking the > chain when the chain was dirty, but throw was never a problem). I now use > the same 113 and LX with the now-double XD2, now a Bashguard/38/24, and > still it works fine. In all 3 applications the fd had throw room to spare. > > What fds are y'all using who have this problem? > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv > > > wrote: > >> Ben, >> >> Your comment about spindle length is interesting. My LBS went with the >> 113 specified by Sugino and I have no problem shifting to the smaller ring. >> It does sometimes take me 2 tries to get into the big one though. My >> understanding is that going up is just a harder shift, but now I wonder if >> BB length isn't part of it too. >> >> Jay >> >> On Friday, June 21, 2013 11:40:02 PM UTC+3, BenG wrote: >>> >>> Couple years ago i pulled the outer ring off my XD2 triple and put on a >>> guard, leaving the 36-24 middle and inner rings as-is. The 36 was plenty >>> high for me with 11 cog on 8spd cassette, and I could get to all the >>> combos. New Hillborne runs guarded 40-26 with 12-34 8spd, and that's >>> great, too (I do like the 40-26/12-34 better, though). I learned that a >>> slightly longer bottom bracket can improve reliability of front shifts to >>> low gear by moving it farther from the innermost spring travel position of >>> the front derailer. With no third ring hanging out there to be concerned >>> about reaching with the derailer, you can afford it now. >>> Ben >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] . >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > [email protected] > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
My Sam came with a 113 and the XD2 triple, and with an LX fd it all worked perfectly. When I transferred the bb, crankset, and fd to the wider stayed Fargo, it continued to work perfectly (well, except for sucking the chain when the chain was dirty, but throw was never a problem). I now use the same 113 and LX with the now-double XD2, now a Bashguard/38/24, and still it works fine. In all 3 applications the fd had throw room to spare. What fds are y'all using who have this problem? On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > Ben, > > Your comment about spindle length is interesting. My LBS went with the 113 > specified by Sugino and I have no problem shifting to the smaller ring. It > does sometimes take me 2 tries to get into the big one though. My > understanding is that going up is just a harder shift, but now I wonder if > BB length isn't part of it too. > > Jay > > On Friday, June 21, 2013 11:40:02 PM UTC+3, BenG wrote: >> >> Couple years ago i pulled the outer ring off my XD2 triple and put on a >> guard, leaving the 36-24 middle and inner rings as-is. The 36 was plenty >> high for me with 11 cog on 8spd cassette, and I could get to all the >> combos. New Hillborne runs guarded 40-26 with 12-34 8spd, and that's >> great, too (I do like the 40-26/12-34 better, though). I learned that a >> slightly longer bottom bracket can improve reliability of front shifts to >> low gear by moving it farther from the innermost spring travel position of >> the front derailer. With no third ring hanging out there to be concerned >> about reaching with the derailer, you can afford it now. >> Ben >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html [email protected] http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Ben, Your comment about spindle length is interesting. My LBS went with the 113 specified by Sugino and I have no problem shifting to the smaller ring. It does sometimes take me 2 tries to get into the big one though. My understanding is that going up is just a harder shift, but now I wonder if BB length isn't part of it too. Jay On Friday, June 21, 2013 11:40:02 PM UTC+3, BenG wrote: > > Couple years ago i pulled the outer ring off my XD2 triple and put on a > guard, leaving the 36-24 middle and inner rings as-is. The 36 was plenty > high for me with 11 cog on 8spd cassette, and I could get to all the > combos. New Hillborne runs guarded 40-26 with 12-34 8spd, and that's > great, too (I do like the 40-26/12-34 better, though). I learned that a > slightly longer bottom bracket can improve reliability of front shifts to > low gear by moving it farther from the innermost spring travel position of > the front derailer. With no third ring hanging out there to be concerned > about reaching with the derailer, you can afford it now. > Ben > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Couple years ago i pulled the outer ring off my XD2 triple and put on a guard, leaving the 36-24 middle and inner rings as-is. The 36 was plenty high for me with 11 cog on 8spd cassette, and I could get to all the combos. New Hillborne runs guarded 40-26 with 12-34 8spd, and that's great, too (I do like the 40-26/12-34 better, though). I learned that a slightly longer bottom bracket can improve reliability of front shifts to low gear by moving it farther from the innermost spring travel position of the front derailer. With no third ring hanging out there to be concerned about reaching with the derailer, you can afford it now. Ben -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
So cool that this topic has come up. I just spec'd 40/26 with 12-23 9 speed cassette for my new Rawland Stag build. I've never used this combo before but came to this decision based on Grant's comments and some soul searching. I really monitored what gearing I regularly use on the same route using a compact double 48/34 and the same 12-23 cassette. Even with this the 48 ring kept me in the larger three rear cogs at the cadence I want to sustain for 30+ miles. Using the gear calc tool here ( http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html?R0=26&R1=40&R2=NaN&C0=12&C1=13&C2=14&C3=15&C4=16&C5=17&C6=19&C7=21&C8=23&C9=999&C10=999&CAS=0&WI=13&CR=170&RT=1&ST=0&RPM=90&SRT=0&lRPM=60&hRMP=100&G=show&S=yes&TITLE=Xd2&HL=1) I compared various combinations until I found one that gets me closer to the middle of the cassette on the big ring pushing between 70 and 80 gear inches at 80-90 RPM. Jayme On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:21:23 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > I'm intrigued by Grant's idea of 40-26 front gearing for my Sam Hillborne, > but Riv is out of their wide-low cranks and there's actually nothing wrong > with Sugino triple that's on there now. So I was wondering if it would be > possible to just replace the middle ring with a 40, and either replace the > outer ring with a bash guard or just leave it as is. Would the Tiagra > triple derailler I have on there work well with this configuration? > Obviously I could reset the limit screw to restrict its range to the inner > and middle rings. But could I also lower the mounting position to match the > middle ring? Or would the outer ring be in the way? > > If it works, this would be a neat way to try out wide-low gearing for the > price of 1 chain ring. Thoughts? > > Jay > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
One last detail. I did that conversion on my Hunqapillar but the wide chain stays for the extra clearance for wider tires forced me to go to a wider BB as the 40 new "middle" ring was almost touching the outside of the chain stay. Ended up going to a wider 113mm BB and a 24/38/bash guard, but the 40 fits well. You should probably be OK on the Sam. — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > Thank you everyone for all the input. I will definitely pick up a 40 tooth > ring when I am in the US next month. Maybe the bash guard too. > Jay > On Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:43:46 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for the input. I guess I spend most of my time on the inner cogs >> anyway. I could probably get by with even a 26/40 with a 13-28 on my >> everyday bike. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Thank you everyone for all the input. I will definitely pick up a 40 tooth ring when I am in the US next month. Maybe the bash guard too. Jay On Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:43:46 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: > > > Thanks for the input. I guess I spend most of my time on the inner cogs > anyway. I could probably get by with even a 26/40 with a 13-28 on my > everyday bike. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Thanks for the input. I guess I spend most of my time on the inner cogs anyway. I could probably get by with even a 26/40 with a 13-28 on my everyday bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Hi Jay, Yes, you can just take off the outer ring. The chain ring bolts will probably need to be changed to single, or you can use spacers (i.e., washers). http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/fixed.html#stackbolts It looks like the way Max did it on his Gunnar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/ On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:00:09 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > Is it possible to just leave the outer ring off altogether? Maybe using > spacers of some kind? > > On Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC+3, reynoldslugs wrote: >> >> The set up works fine. Here are pictures of a Gunnar CX/commuter with >> 40-26: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/ >> >> Cassette is 9-speed 11-36. It works fine. I use only the upper or lower >> 7 cogs, depending on which chainring I'm in. >> >> Max >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Definitely do it.Setting the limit screw works just fine, and you can get used to any nuances it introduces to shifting. I have been using the Riv bash guard crank on all my bikes for years now and love it.For a while it was just the "quickbeam crank" and I would just run the stock 40/32 until the aluminum rings needed replacing. I never use the big ring on triples either, and on my touring rig I don't even need a 40t ring, I get by with a 36.I can't hit all 8 cogs with both chainrings though; certainly not with the granny anyway- the chain would not be psyched on the outer cogs. Matt On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:21:23 PM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > I'm intrigued by Grant's idea of 40-26 front gearing for my Sam Hillborne, > but Riv is out of their wide-low cranks and there's actually nothing wrong > with Sugino triple that's on there now. So I was wondering if it would be > possible to just replace the middle ring with a 40, and either replace the > outer ring with a bash guard or just leave it as is. Would the Tiagra > triple derailler I have on there work well with this configuration? > Obviously I could reset the limit screw to restrict its range to the inner > and middle rings. But could I also lower the mounting position to match the > middle ring? Or would the outer ring be in the way? > > If it works, this would be a neat way to try out wide-low gearing for the > price of 1 chain ring. Thoughts? > > Jay > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Jay, Don't get me wrong. Most of my bikes have come to me used or set up a certain way and I'm too cheap/lazy to change out the cranks. A 45 middle is a bit high but it's on garage find trek that came to me with a half step plus granny set up and I'm just dealing with it for now. If I were going from scratch, the 40/26 would be perfect on that bike. Where I ride, I have some very steep hills where I need the small ring but the hills are fairly short (usually from a few hundred feet to a mile or so). That explains why I'm in the middle 90% of the time. That and the fact that I'm a lightweight and rarely carry much on the bike. Certainly for a mountainous climb with a loaded bike I'd use the small ring a lot more. Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Nice bike. I love the dice. On Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC+3, reynoldslugs wrote: > > The set up works fine. Here are pictures of a Gunnar CX/commuter with > 40-26: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/ > > Cassette is 9-speed 11-36. It works fine. I use only the upper or lower > 7 cogs, depending on which chainring I'm in. > > Max > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Is it possible to just leave the outer ring off altogether? Maybe using spacers of some kind? On Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC+3, reynoldslugs wrote: > > The set up works fine. Here are pictures of a Gunnar CX/commuter with > 40-26: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/ > > Cassette is 9-speed 11-36. It works fine. I use only the upper or lower > 7 cogs, depending on which chainring I'm in. > > Max > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Perry, You must be a lot stronger than I am. I did most of the Green Mtn. Loop a couple years ago when I 1st got the Sam. 4-5 days and packing gear for summer camping. Great experience but I was sure glad I had those low gears. Not too much use for the middle ring on that trip - it was a lot of back and forth between screaming downhills and long 4 mph climbs. Beautiful part of the world but a lot slower going than I expected. Humbling. Jay On Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+3, bobish wrote: > > I like where this thread is headed... > > I've been doing something similar on all my bikes. Basically, any bike > that already came with a triple, I ride the middle ring 90% of the time and > use the small ring for steep hills. The large could be exchanged for a bash > guard but I don't bother. So 38/24, 45/28, whatever is on there for middle > and small rings, that's my double. I built up a mixte for my wife and for > that, I selected the VO Polyvalent Crankset which IIRC is 46/30. For the > freewheel or cassette, the wider the range the better I like it (11-32 or > 11-34 is nice, but I have the original 14-28 freewheel on an old trek). So > what? You shift, you pedal, you ride. It's all good. Nothing really > complicated going on and I never understood why people need to > over-complicate it. Taping gear ratios to handlebars? Been there, done > that, have the t-shirt. > > Keep it simple. > Perry > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
I like where this thread is headed... I've been doing something similar on all my bikes. Basically, any bike that already came with a triple, I ride the middle ring 90% of the time and use the small ring for steep hills. The large could be exchanged for a bash guard but I don't bother. So 38/24, 45/28, whatever is on there for middle and small rings, that's my double. I built up a mixte for my wife and for that, I selected the VO Polyvalent Crankset which IIRC is 46/30. For the freewheel or cassette, the wider the range the better I like it (11-32 or 11-34 is nice, but I have the original 14-28 freewheel on an old trek). So what? You shift, you pedal, you ride. It's all good. Nothing really complicated going on and I never understood why people need to over-complicate it. Taping gear ratios to handlebars? Been there, done that, have the t-shirt. Keep it simple. Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
It's just as easy to get infatuated with low gears you never or rarely use as it is with hi gears. I use a 44/30 with an 11-28 in the rolling countryside of Vt. on an unloaded Ram. It works great for me. This gives me all the convenience of a double with all but 1 low gear of a triple. Don't drive yourself crazy over one gear at the top or the bottom. There are other variables to consider, with every choice requiring trade offs. Consider how far apart the ratio choices are physically located. If you have lots of choices but they require multiple and double shifts you can spend a lot of momentum searching for the next gear. Also, consider how close you want the gears to be. Wide range cassettes always sacrifice easy jumps. You can find yourself shifting from too hard to much too easy; my stoker screams a lot when that happens. There is a lot of logic behind some popular options. 14 teeth between outer and middle rings provides a wide range of gears and a rational shifting pattern. 10 teeth provides crisper shifting, especially in a triple, but limits range. Try to find out what really works for you. I like 44/30 on a double but prefer 48/34/26 on a single bike and 48/38/26 on the tandem. I am willing to struggle a bit on the steepest hills in order to have crisper shifting a tighter ratios most of the time. As a generalization I would offer that shorter cage detailers usually offer more predictable, quicker shifting than longer cages, but that also implies less range between the hi and lo, which brings me back to my original point. What do you most want and what are you willing to do with out. Michael On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:31:46 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote: > > I have the 40/26, with 11-32 8 speed in back. I use the bike for commuting > and occasionally have a kid on the back. I don't have a front derailer yet, > but if I ever use the granny (haven't yet), I might consider a front > derailer. > > I reach all 8 rear cogs with no problems, friction bar end shifter. > > Edwin - "1x8 is great" > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:54:37 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >> >> My current setup is basically MTB gearing - 26-36-46 in front and a 9 >> speed 11-34 cassette. >> I hardly ever use the granny because it's pretty flat where I live. But I >> do use it when I hit the hills loaded. Most of the time I am in the middle >> or big ring and smaller cogs. The wide-low concept seems perfect for me. It >> would gives me an incredibly useful range of 32-98 inches without shifting >> up front, and a low range of 21-64 when needed. >> >> I could simplify even more by going 1X9, but I'm not sure what the >> benefit would be. >> >> Jay >> >> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:28:07 PM UTC+3, Minh wrote: >>> >>> yeah, the Sugino "double" with the chain-guard is really just a sugino >>> triple. so swapping out the big ring for a guard and the inner for a 26 >>> would work. >>> >>> Can i ask what you have on your triple now? i have a bashguard-40-34 >>> setup, and find the 34 is plenty low for me with my freewheel (ird 13-28), >>> even loaded down for camping i find it ok. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:23:20 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote: I created a wide low out of a triple XD2 for my wife's Betty Foy. Actually I went 42/28 as the 9-speed cassette is a 12-34. No problems hitting all 9 cogs. Left the chainline where I would for a triple figuring that she wold be on the large ring 90% of the time. Dan -Marin On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would > be in the middle ring most of the time. > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: >> >> >> Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while >> in either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a >> little >> bit help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https:
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
The set up works fine. Here are pictures of a Gunnar CX/commuter with 40-26: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729/ Cassette is 9-speed 11-36. It works fine. I use only the upper or lower 7 cogs, depending on which chainring I'm in. Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
I have the 40/26, with 11-32 8 speed in back. I use the bike for commuting and occasionally have a kid on the back. I don't have a front derailer yet, but if I ever use the granny (haven't yet), I might consider a front derailer. I reach all 8 rear cogs with no problems, friction bar end shifter. Edwin - "1x8 is great" On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:54:37 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > My current setup is basically MTB gearing - 26-36-46 in front and a 9 > speed 11-34 cassette. > I hardly ever use the granny because it's pretty flat where I live. But I > do use it when I hit the hills loaded. Most of the time I am in the middle > or big ring and smaller cogs. The wide-low concept seems perfect for me. It > would gives me an incredibly useful range of 32-98 inches without shifting > up front, and a low range of 21-64 when needed. > > I could simplify even more by going 1X9, but I'm not sure what the benefit > would be. > > Jay > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:28:07 PM UTC+3, Minh wrote: >> >> yeah, the Sugino "double" with the chain-guard is really just a sugino >> triple. so swapping out the big ring for a guard and the inner for a 26 >> would work. >> >> Can i ask what you have on your triple now? i have a bashguard-40-34 >> setup, and find the 34 is plenty low for me with my freewheel (ird 13-28), >> even loaded down for camping i find it ok. >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:23:20 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote: >>> >>> I created a wide low out of a triple XD2 for my wife's Betty Foy. >>> Actually I went 42/28 as the 9-speed cassette is a 12-34. No problems >>> hitting all 9 cogs. Left the chainline where I would for a triple figuring >>> that she wold be on the large ring 90% of the time. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> -Marin >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >>> I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would be in the middle ring most of the time. On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: > > > Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while > in either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little > bit help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
My current setup is basically MTB gearing - 26-36-46 in front and a 9 speed 11-34 cassette. I hardly ever use the granny because it's pretty flat where I live. But I do use it when I hit the hills loaded. Most of the time I am in the middle or big ring and smaller cogs. The wide-low concept seems perfect for me. It would gives me an incredibly useful range of 32-98 inches without shifting up front, and a low range of 21-64 when needed. I could simplify even more by going 1X9, but I'm not sure what the benefit would be. Jay On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:28:07 PM UTC+3, Minh wrote: > > yeah, the Sugino "double" with the chain-guard is really just a sugino > triple. so swapping out the big ring for a guard and the inner for a 26 > would work. > > Can i ask what you have on your triple now? i have a bashguard-40-34 > setup, and find the 34 is plenty low for me with my freewheel (ird 13-28), > even loaded down for camping i find it ok. > > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:23:20 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote: >> >> I created a wide low out of a triple XD2 for my wife's Betty Foy. >> Actually I went 42/28 as the 9-speed cassette is a 12-34. No problems >> hitting all 9 cogs. Left the chainline where I would for a triple figuring >> that she wold be on the large ring 90% of the time. >> >> Dan >> >> -Marin >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: >> >>> I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would be >>> in the middle ring most of the time. >>> >>> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while in either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little bit help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
yeah, the Sugino "double" with the chain-guard is really just a sugino triple. so swapping out the big ring for a guard and the inner for a 26 would work. Can i ask what you have on your triple now? i have a bashguard-40-34 setup, and find the 34 is plenty low for me with my freewheel (ird 13-28), even loaded down for camping i find it ok. On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:23:20 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote: > > I created a wide low out of a triple XD2 for my wife's Betty Foy. Actually > I went 42/28 as the 9-speed cassette is a 12-34. No problems hitting all 9 > cogs. Left the chainline where I would for a triple figuring that she wold > be on the large ring 90% of the time. > > Dan > > -Marin > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv > > > wrote: > >> I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would be >> in the middle ring most of the time. >> >> On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: >>> >>> >>> Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while in >>> either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little bit >>> help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] . >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
I created a wide low out of a triple XD2 for my wife's Betty Foy. Actually I went 42/28 as the 9-speed cassette is a 12-34. No problems hitting all 9 cogs. Left the chainline where I would for a triple figuring that she wold be on the large ring 90% of the time. Dan -Marin On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would be > in the middle ring most of the time. > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: >> >> >> Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while in >> either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little bit >> help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
I assumed I would leave the chain line alone. WIth this setup I would be in the middle ring most of the time. On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:43:26 PM UTC+3, Ginz wrote: > > > Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while in > either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little bit > help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Do folks with the wide/low find that they can hit all nine cogs while in either chainring? Does moving the crank's chainline outboard a little bit help in that regard? Or, is that not necessary? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DIY 40-26 questions
Yes (assuming your Sugino triple is 110/74 BCD, which the XD2 from Riv is) -- you can change out the middle ring for a 40 and replace the outer (big) chainring with a guard. If you're just trying it out, change the middle with the 40. After riding/testing, if the gearing is suitable for you, then swap out the outer for the guard. >From my experience, if your front derailer is working fine, I'd leave it alone. (I've managed to mess up "perfectly adequate" in attempting to fix it better too often to count. YMMV.) On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:21:23 PM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > I'm intrigued by Grant's idea of 40-26 front gearing for my Sam Hillborne, > but Riv is out of their wide-low cranks and there's actually nothing wrong > with Sugino triple that's on there now. So I was wondering if it would be > possible to just replace the middle ring with a 40, and either replace the > outer ring with a bash guard or just leave it as is. Would the Tiagra > triple derailler I have on there work well with this configuration? > Obviously I could reset the limit screw to restrict its range to the inner > and middle rings. But could I also lower the mounting position to match the > middle ring? Or would the outer ring be in the way? > > If it works, this would be a neat way to try out wide-low gearing for the > price of 1 chain ring. Thoughts? > > Jay > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
