[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Igor]

This was sold long ago. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Igor, is this bike still for sale?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Fine

Frame $850 because theyre still sold out

Cranks $200 because

Bars and stem $50

Wheels $300

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Eric]

Part that thing out. It'd be much simpler. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Doug H.]

I meant no disrespect Igor. My experience with the ore-owned bike market is 
that prices are low relative to new bike pricing. I hope you get your asking 
price as I know it’s worth it.  
Doug

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Ray Varella]

I for one would like to commend Igor for his transparency. 


Thank you Igor. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Julian Westerhout]

Indeed. 

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 8:19:38 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
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> Don’t let the teasing get to you. I think many of us have been there. 
> Although I buy more than I sell 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Don’t let the teasing get to you. I think many of us have been there. Although 
I buy more than I sell 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Andrew Huston]

My name is Andrew and I’m a serial bike flipper. It gives me comfort knowing 
I’m not the only one. I’m with you Igor. You could have a more dangerous or 
expensive habit  bikes are healthy and if you are happy, go with it. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

You're all brutal. I'm leaving the internet

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Jock Dewey]

Y'all:

Indeed, I'm just wishing IB bought and sold road bikes in *my* size (58 / 
59 please & thank you) at same pace, e.g. Hilsen, Atlantis, Chapman, 
Bishop, Legolas, Lyon, *Saluki *

Wow, I'd be totally headed to N

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 10:00:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Bill, 
>
> Belopsky's frantic pace of bike acquisition and disposal is a good thing 
> for the community for several reasons: 
>
> 1) It provides many opportunities for those his size (alas, or perhaps, 
> thankfully not me...) to get barely ridden, almost new bikes at a discount. 
> 2) It makes my own bike churning tendencies look positively ascetic. 
> 3) It boosts Riv and other purveyors' sales as he tries one new bike after 
> another. 
>
> I salute his commitment to the search for his "perfect" bike and I 
> sincerely hope that he someday finds a bike that he likes well enough to 
> keep...  and propose that he should name at least one bike Rocinante.:) 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 9:49:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> What did you do silly?  Buy a Clem L that you don’t really want, so now 
>> it’s for sale?  Bought way too many bikes way too fast and somebody has 
>> decided you should settle down to fewer bikes?  Bought yet another bike or 
>> bikes and need $1600 to pay for them?   
>>
>> BL in EC
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Doug H.]

I bought and sold a Clem recently and took quite a hit but thought it was a 
fair price.  The asking price on this one factors in the regret but seems too 
high. Most buyers seem to keep their own saddles and pedals so the only added 
value is the rack. I doubt it will sell for $1,600 but we will see. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[dstein]

I've quickly turned around a new Sam and a Cheviot during a 2-year bike 
buying/spelling spree. I was lucky to sell both for about $300 less that 
what i paid new. A big hit overall, but way less a hit then it it was 
anything other than a Rivendell. For someone on the fence or looking at a 
new bike then to see one pop up in your size at a deal is huge, especially 
considering $2200+ is a stretch for a complete bike already. But, but, 
butthis was all done through SF craigslist, never got any hits off this 
list. Not sure why that is. I think being in a biking mecca and so close to 
HQ gets a lot of hits. I'm pretty surprised some things on this list take 
so long to sell (Philip's Rodeo a while back, which was in my size) is one. 
Igor's 2 bikes (also in my size) are two other ones. I honestly think some 
on here are right about the high price, at least for the list and in my 
experience...if someone was looking for something like these already they 
would have moved by now. Ebay or craigslist might be better (but ebay you 
get hit with the fees and CL is really region dependent). Someone (not me) 
in the Bay Area should start a service to list and sell on the local CL 
here ;).

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

My memory might be slightly off on this, but I believe I sold my Clem L for 
$1200 shipped, which is a decent turnaround on a bike that was a few months 
old. Better than half-of-new, which I agree is the baseline. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Max S]

And anyway, it’s better than drugs!  :-) 

Hell:  “Finding out that after divorce / death, my spouse sold my bikes for 
what I told her/him that they cost.” 

- Max “I really wish I hadn’t started pursuing this line of thought” in A2

Also: “Have you ever tried to sell a diamond?” — 
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap20.htm 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Bill Lindsay]

In fairness to the Clem, I don't think any bike holds it's value especially 
well when you buy it new and quickly decide you want to turn it around and 
resell it. If I paid retail for any new complete bike today, rode it for 10 
miles and then decided I wanted to sell it, I'd have to take a big 
'haircut', I think.  In the neighborhood of half-retail sounds about right 
to me, in terms of what most second-hand buyers expect.  There are 
certainly exceptions, but I don't know of any $1500-range bike that I could 
buy today and expect to re-sell tomorrow for over 80% of retail.  Igor's 
Senor Frank Jones is up on ebay also, and we'll see if he gets his price on 
that.  His title says "used less than 10 miles",  This is one of those 
places where changing one's mind can be expensive.  

BL in EC

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 10:47:51 AM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
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> Also, Clems don’t seem to hold their value especially well. I bought and 
> sold my 59H complete for right about $850. No accessories, but it was in 
> fine shape. 
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Eric Daume]

Also, Clems don’t seem to hold their value especially well. I bought and
sold my 59H complete for right about $850. No accessories, but it was in
fine shape.

Eric

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> Julian: I understand the thinking behind the price, I've just sold too
> many bikes to see it as realistic. There's always a chance you'll get lucky
> and find that buyer who just HAS to have your bike, but mostly the used
> market doesn't care about upgrades and accessories. People look at the new
> price and count back from there, that's just the way it is.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

Julian: I understand the thinking behind the price, I've just sold too many 
bikes to see it as realistic. There's always a chance you'll get lucky and find 
that buyer who just HAS to have your bike, but mostly the used market doesn't 
care about upgrades and accessories. People look at the new price and count 
back from there, that's just the way it is. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Julian Westerhout]

Joe, to be fair, the Clem in question is oos at Riv, and Belopsky is 
including a $130+ saddle, a $90 rack (w/the rails), $20+ of nice grips and 
a bell, and shipping, which, depending upon where the buyer lives, is worth 
another $75-175 so that's about $250 +/- less than a pre-order Clem, if and 
about $350 +/- less than the in-stock price, if it were available. Not a 
bad deal for what looks like a brand new bike if one is in the market. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 9:12:04 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Not really a discount unless he's taking offers. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Bill Lindsay]

Julian pointed out several true things. 

I was just looking for the reason why, on the 10th Bump of his FS listing, did 
he confess to doing ‘something silly’?  It sounds like there’s an interesting 
backstory there that he’s eager to tell. 

BL in EC 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/02/2018 10:00 AM, Julian Westerhout wrote:

Bill,

Belopsky's frantic pace of bike acquisition and disposal is a good 
thing for the community for several reasons:


1) It provides many opportunities for those his size (alas, or 
perhaps, thankfully not me...) to get barely ridden, almost new bikes 
at a discount.

2) It makes my own bike churning tendencies look positively ascetic.
3) It boosts Riv and other purveyors' sales as he tries one new bike 
after another.


I salute his commitment to the search for his "perfect" bike and I 
sincerely hope that he someday finds a bike that he likes well enough 
to keep...


but not quite yet?


and propose that he should name at least one bike Rocinante.    :)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 9:49:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

What did you do silly?  Buy a Clem L that you don’t really want,
so now it’s for sale?  Bought way too many bikes way too fast and
somebody has decided you should settle down to fewer bikes?
 Bought yet another bike or bikes and need $1600 to pay for them?




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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

Not really a discount unless he's taking offers. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Julian Westerhout]

Bill, 

Belopsky's frantic pace of bike acquisition and disposal is a good thing 
for the community for several reasons: 

1) It provides many opportunities for those his size (alas, or perhaps, 
thankfully not me...) to get barely ridden, almost new bikes at a discount. 
2) It makes my own bike churning tendencies look positively ascetic. 
3) It boosts Riv and other purveyors' sales as he tries one new bike after 
another. 

I salute his commitment to the search for his "perfect" bike and I 
sincerely hope that he someday finds a bike that he likes well enough to 
keep...  and propose that he should name at least one bike Rocinante.:) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 9:49:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> What did you do silly?  Buy a Clem L that you don’t really want, so now 
> it’s for sale?  Bought way too many bikes way too fast and somebody has 
> decided you should settle down to fewer bikes?  Bought yet another bike or 
> bikes and need $1600 to pay for them?   
>
> BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Bill Lindsay]

What did you do silly?  Buy a Clem L that you don’t really want, so now it’s 
for sale?  Bought way too many bikes way too fast and somebody has decided you 
should settle down to fewer bikes?  Bought yet another bike or bikes and need 
$1600 to pay for them?  

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

I did something silly. $1600 shipped for

Stock bike +
B67 seat
Rustines grips
Bell
Pletscher rack

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

I am open to trades as well

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

buy buy baby

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:32:09 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
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> Bump.
> Get your step-through new Atlantis here
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Bump.
Get your step-through new Atlantis here

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

BUMP

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Willing to part

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 9:57:38 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> True, I kinda lost track of this thread and only remembered the original 
> asking price before photos. Which is what I get for going back to it late 
> at night and commenting without re-reading the whole thing. My bad. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

True, I kinda lost track of this thread and only remembered the original asking 
price before photos. Which is what I get for going back to it late at night and 
commenting without re-reading the whole thing. My bad. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Well actually you cannot as they are sold out, but I added things into the 
Cart to show you total cost prior to shipping.



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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

You can get a new one from Riv for $1600. I don't understand the pricing on 
this. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[RichS]

That’s a great looking machine. Seems like reasonable price too.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

I probably go through bikes quicker than you..Only reason I'd sell is to 
fund another Jones (albeit all the bikes I have mean I should really get 
rid of 1 or 2.)

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

You go through Clems quicker than I do!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pzVzs1SioZUZIZQo1


As you see for $1800 make it disappear

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Reason for sale? I want a second Jones bike as I love how it fits/rides.

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 8:44:07 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Just tossing this out there.
> Fairly stock but will include my single speed kit (Alfine tensioner). 
> front derailleur is a Microshift. Grips are Rustines.
> SKS fenders.
> B67 seat.
>
> $1600+ shipped. It's green.
>

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