[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-30 Thread Jock Scott
I suppose it's only a big deal if you'd prefer to have them, but your
fork doesn't.  You can't file them on.

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-28 Thread GeorgeS
I'm a lawyer and I resent the fact that these things are connected
with the honorable profession, defenders of liberty, officers of the
courts and all that.
GeorgeS
New Orleans

On Nov 27, 3:46 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I just filed my Quickbeam lawyer lips off after 5 1/2 years. It took
> about five minutes with a file. It never was an issue until I got a
> dynohub. Lining up the connectors, then keeping the bike upright while
> holding both ends of the QR to twirl it down was too much fussiness
> compressed into too small a space.
> It's a tiny difference, but I like it better without the tabs.
>
>  Philip
> mcminnville, ore.
>
> On Nov 27, 7:10 am, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
> > one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
> > It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
> > lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to disengage
> > from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
> > arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
> > get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
> > down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
> > wheel out.
>
> > On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
> > tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
> > doubt, don't leave em out!
>
> > On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
> > > I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> > > frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> > > for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> > > 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> > > read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> > > on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> > > This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.      I
> > > know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> > > I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> > > they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> > > they are so bad.    In fact, I kind of like having it there.    While
> > > I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> > > out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> > > realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> > > maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> > > times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> > > moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> > > eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> > > still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> > > the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> > > yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> > > Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?    What do other QB owners
> > > think of them?

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread Philip Williamson
I just filed my Quickbeam lawyer lips off after 5 1/2 years. It took
about five minutes with a file. It never was an issue until I got a
dynohub. Lining up the connectors, then keeping the bike upright while
holding both ends of the QR to twirl it down was too much fussiness
compressed into too small a space.
It's a tiny difference, but I like it better without the tabs.

 Philip
mcminnville, ore.

On Nov 27, 7:10 am, eflayer  wrote:
> I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
> one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
> It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
> lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to disengage
> from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
> arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
> get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
> down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
> wheel out.
>
> On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
> tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
> doubt, don't leave em out!
>
> On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> > frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> > for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> > 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> > read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> > on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> > This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.      I
> > know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> > I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> > they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> > they are so bad.    In fact, I kind of like having it there.    While
> > I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> > out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> > realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> > maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> > times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> > moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> > eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> > still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> > the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> > yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> > Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?    What do other QB owners
> > think of them?

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread George Schick
Disc brakes, as stated, and also when a dynamo is used I believe.


On Nov 27, 11:03 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > I am never in such a hurry to remove my front wheel that I can't take
> > 8 extra seconds to unscrew the qr a few turns. Lawyer lips serve a
> > purpose, and I'd rather have them than not.
>
> > In a fit of pique and annoyance, I took a drill grinding wheel to the LL on
>
> my Monoco 29er, but in a fit of sloth and despair, gave up halfway. That was
> good, since I later installed disks and, from what I hear, LL keep the
> caliper from shoving the wheel out of the dropouts. (I also use a *real* QR
> -- old Normandy or something -- not wunna those pansy external cam
> swivelling wingnuts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread [email protected]
Found it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Soleus-Smart-Quick-Release-for-front-hubs-NOS_W0QQitemZ170412060627QQcategoryZ56197QQcmdZViewItem



On Nov 27, 2009, at 10:56, "[email protected]"  wrote:

> I just dremel mine off. I recently saw a special quick release skewer
> online somewhere that somehow, once you set it up, opened wide enough
> to pass over the lips, and didn't require all that twisting.
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:10, eflayer  wrote:
>
>> I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
>> one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
>> It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
>> lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to  
>> disengage
>> from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
>> arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
>> get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
>> down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
>> wheel out.
>>
>> On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
>> tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
>> doubt, don't leave em out!
>>
>> On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>>> I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
>>> frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to
>>> Andrew
>>> for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
>>> 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
>>> read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the
>>> lip
>>> on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>>>
>>> This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.  I
>>> know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess),
>>> and
>>> I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
>>> they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see
>>> why
>>> they are so bad.In fact, I kind of like having it there. 
>>> While
>>> I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
>>> out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
>>> realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to  
>>> hold
>>> maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
>>> times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb  
>>> while
>>> moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
>>> eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you  
>>> can
>>> still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is,
>>> what's
>>> the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
>>> yourself-   is that so bad?
>>>
>>> Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?What do other QB  
>>> owners
>>> think of them?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread [email protected]
I just dremel mine off. I recently saw a special quick release skewer  
online somewhere that somehow, once you set it up, opened wide enough  
to pass over the lips, and didn't require all that twisting.

Cheers,
Ryan




On Nov 27, 2009, at 8:10, eflayer  wrote:

> I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
> one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
> It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
> lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to disengage
> from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
> arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
> get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
> down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
> wheel out.
>
> On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
> tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
> doubt, don't leave em out!
>
> On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>> I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
>> frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to  
>> Andrew
>> for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
>> 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
>> read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the  
>> lip
>> on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>>
>> This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.  I
>> know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess),  
>> and
>> I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
>> they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see  
>> why
>> they are so bad.In fact, I kind of like having it there.While
>> I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
>> out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
>> realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
>> maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
>> times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
>> moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
>> eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
>> still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is,  
>> what's
>> the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
>> yourself-   is that so bad?
>>
>> Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?What do other QB owners
>> think of them?
>
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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread newenglandbike
Hmm, I can definitely see the annoyance from that standpoint.   I
usually don't remove either wheel unless I've already got the bike
upside down on the ground, which is unnecessary but it's a habit
nonetheless.

On Nov 27, 10:10 am, eflayer  wrote:
> I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
> one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
> It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
> lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to disengage
> from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
> arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
> get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
> down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
> wheel out.
>
> On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
> tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
> doubt, don't leave em out!
>
> On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
>
> > I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> > frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> > for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> > 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> > read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> > on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> > This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.  I
> > know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> > I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> > they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> > they are so bad.In fact, I kind of like having it there.While
> > I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> > out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> > realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> > maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> > times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> > moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> > eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> > still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> > the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> > yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> > Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?What do other QB owners
> > think of them?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I am never in such a hurry to remove my front wheel that I can't take
> 8 extra seconds to unscrew the qr a few turns. Lawyer lips serve a
> purpose, and I'd rather have them than not.
>
>
> In a fit of pique and annoyance, I took a drill grinding wheel to the LL on
my Monoco 29er, but in a fit of sloth and despair, gave up halfway. That was
good, since I later installed disks and, from what I hear, LL keep the
caliper from shoving the wheel out of the dropouts. (I also use a *real* QR
-- old Normandy or something -- not wunna those pansy external cam
swivelling wingnuts.

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread Angus
I am also the lucky owner of a not so new 64cm Quickbeam.

My lawer tabs seem to have worn away due to "accidental" contact with
a file

Given the choice, I prefer not to have the extra tabs.

Angus

On Nov 27, 8:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.      I
> know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> they are so bad.    In fact, I kind of like having it there.    While
> I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?    What do other QB owners
> think of them?

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I am never in such a hurry to remove my front wheel that I can't take
8 extra seconds to unscrew the qr a few turns. Lawyer lips serve a
purpose, and I'd rather have them than not.

On Nov 27, 8:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.      I
> know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> they are so bad.    In fact, I kind of like having it there.    While
> I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?    What do other QB owners
> think of them?

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[RBW] Re: Fork dropouts: lawyer lip

2009-11-27 Thread eflayer
I believe for many/most they are a PITA due to the many extra turns
one has to do of the lever required to remove or install the wheel.
It is handy to be able to simply hold the bike in one hand, flip the
lever with the other, and then give the wheel a quick rap to disengage
from the fork ends.  But with tabs it becomes a longer, slightly more
arduous process as it requires a delicate balancing act of having to
get in front of the bike in most cases, balancing the bike, getting
down there with both hands to unwind the QR far enough to get the
wheel out.

On the other other hand, if you are one who tends to forget to
tighten, then it is for you god invented tabs.  I'd suggest, if in
doubt, don't leave em out!

On Nov 27, 6:01 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> I am lucky to be the owner of a new 64cm Quickbeam, that bought as a
> frameset and built up using pretty standard QB parts (thanks to Andrew
> for selling me the wheels!).   Anyway I notice that the fork has a
> 'lawyer lip' on it, which is a bit odd for Rivendell frames.   I've
> read in the RR that Rivendell usually gets their dropouts with the lip
> on them, but that they have their builders file them off.
>
> This is the first frame I've had that has had the lip on it.      I
> know they are a relatively recent phenomenon (invention, I guess), and
> I've heard a lot about these things and how they are a PITA because
> they defeat the purpose of the Q/R, but I have to say, I don't see why
> they are so bad.    In fact, I kind of like having it there.    While
> I don't consider my self to be a _complete_ idiot (the jury's still
> out), there have been times when I've removed my front wheel and
> realized that the Q/R was not very tight at all (tight enough to hold
> maybe, but then again.. is it?), and thought in horror about all the
> times i'd popped the front wheel off the ground to clear a curb while
> moving at a good clip.   Geez,  I would think, how close was I to
> eating asphalt?   As for it defeating the purpose of the Q/R, you can
> still remove the wheel by hand quite easily, so my question is, what's
> the big deal?   OK, so it's some extra metal to protect you from
> yourself-   is that so bad?
>
> Do all Quickbeams feature the dropout lip?    What do other QB owners
> think of them?

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