[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
Yeah, on the 7spd cog choice... They seem to go to a lot of trouble to have only 9 distinct cogs for the 7spd FW line instead of 10. That 17-21 jump is weird on the non-"mega" 13-32 7spd FW. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HGOmKAbcdNIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I do wonder what SRAM did with the Sachs tooling for their awesome freewheels when they bought them out. I have about a dozen Sachs FW's and can find no fault with them. I pretty much use 13-32 7speed's .. though I have some 12 and 13-28's and a 24 or 26. I live in very hilly terrain though . . . so I use all 7 most every day. I find a 13-15-17-20-24-28-32 spread to work quite well with a crossover or half-step triple like 24/36/48 or 26/44/48. I'll take the low gears over a 12t cog any and every day. Unlike Sun Tour cogs and spacers, Sach are much much easier to disassemble and reassemble, and their cog diagrams are easy to follow, for the most part. IRD . Does anyone really believe a M5 would be any better? LoL! I wonder how hard can it be to make a FW that doesn't fail? Very odd. . . . and their bad rep doesn't help a pro FW cause. Plus, I find their choice of 7sp 13-32 cogs odd. There really cannot be a one size suits all FW simple because the terrain differences and rider strengths. If someone really wanted to offer a small selection of durable and dependable FW's . . . they could. . . that's if they really wanted to though. And no . . . I don't believe it's all about the money. It's about the desire to do so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I also am using an IRD 13-28 (mine's a 7spd). I have a 24-36-46 Sugino. I have all the gears I've ever wanted. Which doesn't mean much, really, since I live and ride *almost* exclusively in the flat parts of Illinois. But the few times I've been to exotic places with these things called "hills", I'm always fully loaded (50+ lbs) and have never wanted a lower gear. In fact I've never actually needed my lowest gear, though I have used it. Personally, I can't imagine wanting a higher gear. I want not to go that fast. But I know that's not a universal sentiment. I've had IRD freewheel failures. I've also had IRD freewheels go several thousand miles without failure. I remain hopeful that IRD will improve. At one point I read (it must be true; it was on the webbernet!) of an upcoming IRD "M5" series. Here's hoping. I'll definitely give them a shot. They shift very well (Shimano 8spd indexing), the cogs wear slowly, the freewheel engages nicely (the ones that don't fail prematurely), they give me a range I like, and they look good. I'd be thrilled if they could simply produce *consistently* the good ones I've had thus far at or around the current price point. Though I wouldn't be averse to a 100-$150 super-high-quality forever-sustainable customizable freewheel either, as long as it fit my wheel and shifted well with my setup. Once again... here's hoping. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OnyWZmPm6XcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 20:54 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears > and I'll buy out the entire stock! Back years ago, Sturmey Archer made some narrow range 3 speeds. The AM comes very close to what you want, giving 115.55, 100 and 86.54%. If you start with a 60" #2 gear, that gives you a 69" high and a 52" low. It is, of course, quite rare -- but you could always haunt ebay, especially the uk ebay... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
Actually I just visited Sheldon Browns gear calculator and with a 40 tooth chain ring an 18 tooth sprocket and a SA wide ratio hub you would get 45,60 and 80 inches using 700x35 tires. I'm not sure if this is the correct ratio possible on the sprocket chain ring combo or if one needs a particular ratio for it to work right but.I am elder and corpulent so I have faith that the above would serve me admirably whereas a younger fellow might find it a yawn and aspire to a greater challenge of his vigor. On Jul 12, 10:30 pm, charlie wrote: > I see what you mean.. maybe an 8 speed IGH would be better. > Actually the 39,53.70 is about what my SO has now or could have with > one more gear on the flip side so not so far off, at least for me. > Okay revisedapprox. 40,50,70 then ; ) > > On Jul 12, 7:54 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears > > and I'll buy out the entire stock! > > > Here is what you get with an AW: > > > If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a > > useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53". > > > If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a > > relatively close 39". > > > Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better, > > 60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them! > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie wrote: > > > Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well > > > > though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a > > > crawler for steep climbs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I see what you mean.. maybe an 8 speed IGH would be better. Actually the 39,53.70 is about what my SO has now or could have with one more gear on the flip side so not so far off, at least for me. Okay revisedapprox. 40,50,70 then ; ) On Jul 12, 7:54 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears > and I'll buy out the entire stock! > > Here is what you get with an AW: > > If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a > useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53". > > If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a > relatively close 39". > > Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better, > 60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them! > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie wrote: > > Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well > > > > > > > > > though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a > > crawler for steep climbs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I guess I fall into the same window as most everyone. I like a 12 at the top end for long downhills in a 48 or 50t big ring and a 30 at the bottom for those long climbs at the end o' the day in the 24-28 granny. I like to spin on the climbs so I'm a triple rider for life in my preferred mountainous terrain. With 3 rings up front I can always find a workable gear in the middle ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A6z60Dhgf-EJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears and I'll buy out the entire stock! Here is what you get with an AW: If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53". If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a relatively close 39". Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better, 60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them! On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie wrote: Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well > though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a > crawler for steep climbs. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
After having 'SimpleOned it' I don't see the need for much above a mid 70's gear I am fine riding on various terrain with a mid 60's gear. Hills can't be comfortably pedaled down much faster than about 35 mph even in a 100+ inch gear and I usually coast just as fast if I tuck in a little. Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a crawler for steep climbs. On Jul 12, 6:08 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I've scored a stash of half a dozen 14-28 5 speeds (the Herse has a > Stronglight 99 with 42/32 rings on it and the 42/17 #2 cog is the > ideal cruising gear for the Herse at 67") and the rest is gravy. The > 13-15-17-20-24-28 Ultra six on it now is even better since the 42/15 > is a nice tailwind or "feelin' strong" gear at 76". I've also got > several "normal" sixes in the 13-28 or 30 range, plus two 14-34 5 > speeds -- talk about wide jumps! > > One day I may half-step the nice Stronglight 99 crank with a 46 outer, > but for now the 42/XX is fine (I have a 32 in the inner position but > have scored several 28s and a 30). > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM, rperks wrote: > > that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody. > > > Example: > > I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few > > years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of > > vintage. I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out > > local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and > > thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky. have had it on the > > Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream > > come true. The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just > > perfect. was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the > > average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable. > > > Rob > > - > >http://oceanaircycles.com/ > > > On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William wrote: > >> So there is no dominant consensus among this group. 5, 6 and 7 would all > >> be > >> welcomed, it seems. 12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end. > >> That's over a dozen different models already, most likely. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > [email protected] > > A billion stars go spinning through the night > Blazing high above your head; > But in you is the Presence that will be > When all the stars are dead. > (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I've scored a stash of half a dozen 14-28 5 speeds (the Herse has a Stronglight 99 with 42/32 rings on it and the 42/17 #2 cog is the ideal cruising gear for the Herse at 67") and the rest is gravy. The 13-15-17-20-24-28 Ultra six on it now is even better since the 42/15 is a nice tailwind or "feelin' strong" gear at 76". I've also got several "normal" sixes in the 13-28 or 30 range, plus two 14-34 5 speeds -- talk about wide jumps! One day I may half-step the nice Stronglight 99 crank with a 46 outer, but for now the 42/XX is fine (I have a 32 in the inner position but have scored several 28s and a 30). On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM, rperks wrote: > that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody. > > Example: > I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few > years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of > vintage. I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out > local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and > thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky. have had it on the > Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream > come true. The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just > perfect. was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the > average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable. > > Rob > - > http://oceanaircycles.com/ > > On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William wrote: >> So there is no dominant consensus among this group. 5, 6 and 7 would all be >> welcomed, it seems. 12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end. >> That's over a dozen different models already, most likely. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW [email protected] A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody. Example: I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of vintage. I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky. have had it on the Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream come true. The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just perfect. was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William wrote: > So there is no dominant consensus among this group. 5, 6 and 7 would all be > welcomed, it seems. 12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end. > That's over a dozen different models already, most likely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
So there is no dominant consensus among this group. 5, 6 and 7 would all be welcomed, it seems. 12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end. That's over a dozen different models already, most likely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-npOzeqVfD8J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
14-18-22-26-30 plus a half-step/granny up front...I'll take a dozen! On Jul 11, 2:54 pm, William wrote: > Some of us still run freewheels on a subset of our bikes. It's pretty much > a unanimous opinion that today's production freewheels are not as good as > they used to be. I see a lot of message board requests to companies urging > them to step up and fill the void. In a perfect world, I wish the old > cog-board 100% custom freewheel process could be resurrected, but I don't > know if that is realistic. > > My hypothetical question is: If a manufacturer stepped up and offered > exactly one model of multigear freewheel in exactly one size what would you > want it to be? Assume you can replace worn out cogs, but that in the first > pass, there would be no cog options at all. > > For me, it would be for my 126mm rear-ended steel road-ish bikes, to work > with a compact double, so I'd want to buy a 7-speed 12-28. If White > Industries, for example, made this for <$200, but it was the quality of > their Eno/Dos freewheels, I'd be interested. > > What would you want to buy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I've fiddled with this question forever & keep coming back to 13-15-17-19-21-24-28 as the basis for all my gearing, regardless of how many cogs. When ordering my Atlantis & we got to the gearing question, I told them the above was fine but since I was getting an extra gear, gimme something bigger than the 28, the rest is fine. Honestly, with a MTB triple in front, the above 7 speed covers 98% of situations encountered, even when loaded touring. dougP On Jul 11, 7:00 pm, charlie wrote: > H, I have a NOS Regina six speed 13-23 on a bike I never rideI > think I better save it for the future. > > On Jul 11, 5:39 pm, EricP wrote: > > > > > Agreed that a nicer version of the Shimanopore would be good. The 7sp > > 13-28 works well on my Sam Hillborne. But not sure I'd spend a lot of > > money for one. If the price got much over $100, would probably just > > build a new wheel for the SH with a Deore rear cassette hub. The > > later SunTour design with a Shimano style removal would be nice. Am > > not a fan of the 2 or 4 prong SunTour removal tool (aka by me as the > > self-stripper model). > > > Eric Platt > > St. Paul, MN > > > On Jul 11, 7:06 pm, "Scott G." wrote: > > > > I use Benelux derailers, they don't like 28s, so a 13-26 5 speed would be > > > good. > > > A 14-26 4 speed would be nice for the older bikes, 4 & 3 speed freewheels > > > are > > > very hard to find. > > > > A 5 speed 120oln Shimano style cassette hub would be cool, high flange, > > > great for 'stand off scale' restorations.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
H, I have a NOS Regina six speed 13-23 on a bike I never rideI think I better save it for the future. On Jul 11, 5:39 pm, EricP wrote: > Agreed that a nicer version of the Shimanopore would be good. The 7sp > 13-28 works well on my Sam Hillborne. But not sure I'd spend a lot of > money for one. If the price got much over $100, would probably just > build a new wheel for the SH with a Deore rear cassette hub. The > later SunTour design with a Shimano style removal would be nice. Am > not a fan of the 2 or 4 prong SunTour removal tool (aka by me as the > self-stripper model). > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jul 11, 7:06 pm, "Scott G." wrote: > > > > > > > > > I use Benelux derailers, they don't like 28s, so a 13-26 5 speed would be > > good. > > A 14-26 4 speed would be nice for the older bikes, 4 & 3 speed freewheels > > are > > very hard to find. > > > A 5 speed 120oln Shimano style cassette hub would be cool, high flange, > > great for 'stand off scale' restorations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
Agreed that a nicer version of the Shimanopore would be good. The 7sp 13-28 works well on my Sam Hillborne. But not sure I'd spend a lot of money for one. If the price got much over $100, would probably just build a new wheel for the SH with a Deore rear cassette hub. The later SunTour design with a Shimano style removal would be nice. Am not a fan of the 2 or 4 prong SunTour removal tool (aka by me as the self-stripper model). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 11, 7:06 pm, "Scott G." wrote: > I use Benelux derailers, they don't like 28s, so a 13-26 5 speed would be > good. > A 14-26 4 speed would be nice for the older bikes, 4 & 3 speed freewheels > are > very hard to find. > > A 5 speed 120oln Shimano style cassette hub would be cool, high flange, > great for 'stand off scale' restorations. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical
I'm currently using an IRD 13--28 FW paired with VO 50.3 BCD cranks with 46/30 rings. I seem to have every gear I need. I'd love to have something more dependable than the IRD. I'd consider buying a White Industries FW for $100 to $150. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
