[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
It must be wonderful to be able to get away for the whole summer and just go touring. I'll be eager to see how your GDR planning and execution comes along. René On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ray Shine wrote: > Thanks, Rene, but Roger gets the lion's share of the credit, as does our > other touring pal, David. I am still in touch with both. I am trying to > talk David into riding the GDr with me next summer, since he is a true > mountain biker. I could use a good coach. > > As for the bike, those are preliminary shots. I actually departed with a > standard Brooks B17 (not a sprung saddle), GripKing platform pedals, Nitto > front and rear racks, Ortlieb panniers, and Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, > 700x35. > > A couple of summers back, I toured the Oregon Coast on the Romulus towing a > BOB trailer. So, I have done both modes. I am still undecided about > panniers or trailer for the GDR next summer. > > > --- On *Mon, 11/9/09, Rene Sterental * wrote: > > > From: Rene Sterental > Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:53 AM > > > Ray, > > I just checked out the site for your summer tour. What an amazing job! I'll > have to devote many nights to read it in full detail, but I already checked > you fully equipped Atlantis. Are you using the same Nitto pannier rack on > the front as well as the rear? How do you like the sprung Brooks saddle? > > I'm going to see if I can recruit my wife to go through this virtual > journey with me during the evenings... :-) > > Kudos to Roger for putting it all together! > > René > [email protected]<http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Ray Shine > http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> Sure, but it's not my blog. My riding companion, Roger, gets all the >> credit for the blog, although many of the pix are mine. Anyway, good shots >> of some great country, as well as of our bikes and gear. Here's the link: >> >> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/longjourneysmallsteps >> >> >> RS >> >> --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental >> http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Rene Sterental >> http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! >> To: >> [email protected]<http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:26 PM >> >> >> Wow Ray! What a great summer! Where did you go? Do you have any pictures? >> >> René >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ray Shine >> http://mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>>Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this >>> past summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a >>> 29er. I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about >>> that yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I >>> toured the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. >>> Anyway, I have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. >>> >>> RS >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental >>> http://mc/[email protected]> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Rene Sterental >>> http://mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! >>> To: >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM >>> >>> >>> Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of >>> the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why >>> you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? >>> >>> I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my >>> understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? >>> According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in >>> the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is >>> dead, being replaced
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Thanks, Rene, but Roger gets the lion's share of the credit, as does our other touring pal, David. I am still in touch with both. I am trying to talk David into riding the GDr with me next summer, since he is a true mountain biker. I could use a good coach. As for the bike, those are preliminary shots. I actually departed with a standard Brooks B17 (not a sprung saddle), GripKing platform pedals, Nitto front and rear racks, Ortlieb panniers, and Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, 700x35. A couple of summers back, I toured the Oregon Coast on the Romulus towing a BOB trailer. So, I have done both modes. I am still undecided about panniers or trailer for the GDR next summer. --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:53 AM Ray, I just checked out the site for your summer tour. What an amazing job! I'll have to devote many nights to read it in full detail, but I already checked you fully equipped Atlantis. Are you using the same Nitto pannier rack on the front as well as the rear? How do you like the sprung Brooks saddle? I'm going to see if I can recruit my wife to go through this virtual journey with me during the evenings... :-) Kudos to Roger for putting it all together! René [email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Ray Shine wrote: Sure, but it's not my blog. My riding companion, Roger, gets all the credit for the blog, although many of the pix are mine. Anyway, good shots of some great country, as well as of our bikes and gear. Here's the link: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/longjourneysmallsteps RS --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:26 PM Wow Ray! What a great summer! Where did you go? Do you have any pictures? René On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ray Shine wrote: Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this past summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a 29er. I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about that yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I toured the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. Anyway, I have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. RS --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for cross-country riding. I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. René [email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed wrote: OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire question I posed earlier. I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not using and were available to me. But since I could not find a definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I suspected they fit fine if your intent is
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Ray, I just checked out the site for your summer tour. What an amazing job! I'll have to devote many nights to read it in full detail, but I already checked you fully equipped Atlantis. Are you using the same Nitto pannier rack on the front as well as the rear? How do you like the sprung Brooks saddle? I'm going to see if I can recruit my wife to go through this virtual journey with me during the evenings... :-) Kudos to Roger for putting it all together! René [email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Ray Shine wrote: > Sure, but it's not my blog. My riding companion, Roger, gets all the > credit for the blog, although many of the pix are mine. Anyway, good shots > of some great country, as well as of our bikes and gear. Here's the link: > > http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/longjourneysmallsteps > > > RS > > --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental * wrote: > > > From: Rene Sterental > Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:26 PM > > > Wow Ray! What a great summer! Where did you go? Do you have any pictures? > > René > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ray Shine > http://mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >>Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this >> past summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a >> 29er. I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about >> that yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I >> toured the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. >> Anyway, I have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. >> >> RS >> >> --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental >> http://mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Rene Sterental >> http://mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! >> To: >> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM >> >> >> Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of >> the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why >> you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? >> >> I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my >> understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? >> According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in >> the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is >> dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for >> cross-country riding. >> >> I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the >> Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two >> seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and >> Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ >> regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, >> I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will >> also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do >> with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. >> >> René >> [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed >> http://mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire >>> question I posed earlier. >>> >>> I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had >>> actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the >>> printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not >>> using and were available to me. But since I could not find a >>> definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I >>> don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally >>> run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned >>> I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am >>> using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this >>> morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his >>>
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
"Damn, just another cm on either side (I'm referring to the seatstays clearance) and I'd seriously consider getting one. But my wheels measure 65mm edge to edge, and those are knob-less Big Apples; I expect that the Exiwolfs on the same rims might stick out even a bit further." It is surprising how tight the clearance is on the Bombadil considering how generous clearance usually is on a Rivendell. Still, it's a great looking bike. This particular set-up is extremely appealing. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM, jinxed wrote: > > OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire > question I posed earlier. > > I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had > actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the > printed max size specs.[...] we took his > wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I > suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No > you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other > MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the > dry conditions we have here in Colorado. Damn, just another cm on either side (I'm referring to the seatstays clearance) and I'd seriously consider getting one. But my wheels measure 65 mm edge to edge, and those are knob-less Big Apples; I expect that the Exiwolfs on the same rims might stick out even a bit further. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] (505) 227-0523 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Sure, but it's not my blog. My riding companion, Roger, gets all the credit for the blog, although many of the pix are mine. Anyway, good shots of some great country, as well as of our bikes and gear. Here's the link: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/longjourneysmallsteps RS --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:26 PM Wow Ray! What a great summer! Where did you go? Do you have any pictures? René On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ray Shine wrote: Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this past summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a 29er. I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about that yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I toured the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. Anyway, I have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. RS --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for cross-country riding. I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. rené[email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed wrote: OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire question I posed earlier. I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not using and were available to me. But since I could not find a definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the dry conditions we have here in Colorado. I suppose things could get gummed up if you spend a bunch of time in the slop, but I find in those cases the build up around the brakes and drive train stop you before anything else. It's pretty rare to get any big mud-fest riding along the Colorado front range and on those occasions narrower tires would be better suited. Check out the pictures though as your idea of acceptable clearance may differ drastically based on your geography. As for todays ride my friend said I could run his wheels till I get mine done, and boy the fat knobby tires were a huge improvement off the beaten path as would be expected. Being able to run a lower pressure really smoothed out the edge and gripped the loose stuff like it should. Again pretty basic stuff with no magic involved, but wicked fun for sure. And as far as the stance of the bike, well it just got a bit more serious! I must admit, I had been sort of on the fence thinking I should have gone with an Atlantis for mtb duty while I was waiting on the Bombadil to show...but I think those little demons have lost their voice. Here is a small flickr set from today with some tire clearance shots. http://tinyurl.com/ydg9tzu --~--~-~--~~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Wow Ray! What a great summer! Where did you go? Do you have any pictures? René On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ray Shine wrote: > Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this past > summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a 29er. > I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about that > yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I toured > the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. Anyway, I > have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. > > RS > > --- On *Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental * wrote: > > > From: Rene Sterental > Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM > > > Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the > Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you > are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? > > I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my > understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? > According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in > the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is > dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for > cross-country riding. > > I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the > Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two > seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and > Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ > regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, > I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will > also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do > with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. > > René > [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed > http://mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> >> OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire >> question I posed earlier. >> >> I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had >> actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the >> printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not >> using and were available to me. But since I could not find a >> definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I >> don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally >> run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned >> I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am >> using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this >> morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his >> wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I >> suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No >> you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other >> MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the >> dry conditions we have here in Colorado. I suppose things could get >> gummed up if you spend a bunch of time in the slop, but I find in >> those cases the build up around the brakes and drive train stop you >> before anything else. It's pretty rare to get any big mud-fest riding >> along the Colorado front range and on those occasions narrower tires >> would be better suited. Check out the pictures though as your idea of >> acceptable clearance may differ drastically based on your geography. >> >> As for todays ride my friend said I could run his wheels till I get >> mine done, and boy the fat knobby tires were a huge improvement off >> the beaten path as would be expected. Being able to run a lower >> pressure really smoothed out the edge and gripped the loose stuff like >> it should. Again pretty basic stuff with no magic involved, but wicked >> fun for sure. And as far as the stance of the bike, well it just got a >> bit more serious! >> >> I must admit, I had been sort of on the fence thinking I should have >> gone with an Atlantis for mtb duty while I was waiting on the Bombadil >> to show...but I think those little demons have lost their voice. >> >> Here is a small flickr set from today with some tire clearance shots. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/ydg9tzu >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Rene -- I have a 60cm Atlantis on which I toured fully loaded this past summer. Next summer, my plan is to use the Atlantis on the GDR as a 29er. I have considered using a suspension seat post, but not sure about that yet. I also haven't decided on panniers or a trailer. Last summer I toured the Western Express on it rigged with front and rear panniers. Anyway, I have no reservations about taking a "29er Atlantis" on the GDR. RS --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rene Sterental wrote: From: Rene Sterental Subject: [RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:37 PM Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for cross-country riding. I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. rené[email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed wrote: OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire question I posed earlier. I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not using and were available to me. But since I could not find a definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the dry conditions we have here in Colorado. I suppose things could get gummed up if you spend a bunch of time in the slop, but I find in those cases the build up around the brakes and drive train stop you before anything else. It's pretty rare to get any big mud-fest riding along the Colorado front range and on those occasions narrower tires would be better suited. Check out the pictures though as your idea of acceptable clearance may differ drastically based on your geography. As for todays ride my friend said I could run his wheels till I get mine done, and boy the fat knobby tires were a huge improvement off the beaten path as would be expected. Being able to run a lower pressure really smoothed out the edge and gripped the loose stuff like it should. Again pretty basic stuff with no magic involved, but wicked fun for sure. And as far as the stance of the bike, well it just got a bit more serious! I must admit, I had been sort of on the fence thinking I should have gone with an Atlantis for mtb duty while I was waiting on the Bombadil to show...but I think those little demons have lost their voice. Here is a small flickr set from today with some tire clearance shots. http://tinyurl.com/ydg9tzu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Very well said! I couldn't have said it any better, and it represents just how I feel. I am, too, leaning towards the Bombadil... but have a couple of days to finish making up my mind. I loved your pictures and your tales about the Bombadil. Hope your wheels arrive shortly! René [email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, jinxed wrote: > > On Nov 8, 2:37 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of > the > > Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why > you > > are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? > > Rene, > I would have been just fine on either bike and would be doing the same > mental acrobatics with either choice. For the frame sizes I ride, the > biggest difference between the two would have been the wheel size. But > for me, the difference between a 26" wheeled Atlantis and the 650b > Bombadil would have been pretty subtle I think. Originally, I had > never even considered the Atlantis since I was looking for a mountain > bike and the Bombadil was sort of billed as such. But while on the > phone with Riv, they asked me if I had thought about the Atlantis. I > never had, but it sort of hit me that it too could be set up as a > perfect off road beast. It was sort of like being asked if I preferred > my coffee with cream and sugar, or if I wanted cream and sugar in my > coffee. Ummm..."Yes please". > > I could justify either bike no matter how I looked at it. Is it > redundant, or beneficial to have your on road and off road bike share > wheel sizes? Could either the Atlantis or Bombadil do anything > different/better than my Bleriot? I did have some reservation > regarding 650b rim/tire availability and choices, and was worried > about having both of my bikes running them. But I think those worries > have been well addressed and ultimately it was not a factor. > Aesthetically I think both bikes are beautiful and would be proud of > either one, but the Bombadil did have a slight edge in the unique > finish and certainly spoke to me based on my frame building > experience. > > The reality is, if somehow the bike in my garage suddenly turned into > an Atlantis...I would still be seeing single track zipping by when I > close my eyes and think about riding. You will develop a love affair > with what ever you choose because the attachment comes from the > adventures you share, not the glossy paint, lack thereof or name on > the down tube. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
On Nov 8, 2:37 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the > Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you > are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? Rene, I would have been just fine on either bike and would be doing the same mental acrobatics with either choice. For the frame sizes I ride, the biggest difference between the two would have been the wheel size. But for me, the difference between a 26" wheeled Atlantis and the 650b Bombadil would have been pretty subtle I think. Originally, I had never even considered the Atlantis since I was looking for a mountain bike and the Bombadil was sort of billed as such. But while on the phone with Riv, they asked me if I had thought about the Atlantis. I never had, but it sort of hit me that it too could be set up as a perfect off road beast. It was sort of like being asked if I preferred my coffee with cream and sugar, or if I wanted cream and sugar in my coffee. Ummm..."Yes please". I could justify either bike no matter how I looked at it. Is it redundant, or beneficial to have your on road and off road bike share wheel sizes? Could either the Atlantis or Bombadil do anything different/better than my Bleriot? I did have some reservation regarding 650b rim/tire availability and choices, and was worried about having both of my bikes running them. But I think those worries have been well addressed and ultimately it was not a factor. Aesthetically I think both bikes are beautiful and would be proud of either one, but the Bombadil did have a slight edge in the unique finish and certainly spoke to me based on my frame building experience. The reality is, if somehow the bike in my garage suddenly turned into an Atlantis...I would still be seeing single track zipping by when I close my eyes and think about riding. You will develop a love affair with what ever you choose because the attachment comes from the adventures you share, not the glossy paint, lack thereof or name on the down tube. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Why were you thinking you should have gone with the Atlantis instead of the Bombadil, if I may ask? Can you expand what your thoughts were and why you are now convinced the Bombadil was the better choice? I was sized for a Bombadil 60, which would run 700c wheels and if my understanding is correct, basically turn it into a 29er bike. Am I right? According from what I've been reading, there is a very lively discussion in the "modern" mountain bike magazines as to whether the 26" hard tail is dead, being replaced by the 29er that doesn't really need any suspension for cross-country riding. I was also wondering whether to go for the Atlantis (size 60) or the Bombadil (size 60) as both run 700c wheels. The overlap between the two seems to be so great, that the only "real" difference according to Mark and Keven was the thickness of the tubing. After reading the articles on BQ regarding "planing" of bicycles and how you get "in tune" with the bicycle, I also wonder which bike would ride better long term, but I guess that will also be depending on who rides it and how. I'm sure planing has a lot to do with how wonderful my AHH rides for me. René [email protected] On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:08 PM, jinxed wrote: > > OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire > question I posed earlier. > > I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had > actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the > printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not > using and were available to me. But since I could not find a > definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I > don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally > run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned > I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am > using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this > morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his > wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I > suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No > you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other > MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the > dry conditions we have here in Colorado. I suppose things could get > gummed up if you spend a bunch of time in the slop, but I find in > those cases the build up around the brakes and drive train stop you > before anything else. It's pretty rare to get any big mud-fest riding > along the Colorado front range and on those occasions narrower tires > would be better suited. Check out the pictures though as your idea of > acceptable clearance may differ drastically based on your geography. > > As for todays ride my friend said I could run his wheels till I get > mine done, and boy the fat knobby tires were a huge improvement off > the beaten path as would be expected. Being able to run a lower > pressure really smoothed out the edge and gripped the loose stuff like > it should. Again pretty basic stuff with no magic involved, but wicked > fun for sure. And as far as the stance of the bike, well it just got a > bit more serious! > > I must admit, I had been sort of on the fence thinking I should have > gone with an Atlantis for mtb duty while I was waiting on the Bombadil > to show...but I think those little demons have lost their voice. > > Here is a small flickr set from today with some tire clearance shots. > > http://tinyurl.com/ydg9tzu > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
OK so I was able to shoot some better pictures and verify a tire question I posed earlier. I while back I posted the question to the forum to see if anyone had actually tried a set of 2.3 Neo-Motos in a Bombadil frame despite the printed max size specs. Reason being, my buddy had a set he was not using and were available to me. But since I could not find a definitive answer, I just ordered up the Quasi-Motos to be safe. I don't honestly have a huge preference either way and have generally run a 2.0-2.2 tire on my mtb's for years anyway. Well, as I mentioned I am waiting for spokes to finish the wheels for the bike so I am using my Bleriot wheels in the meantime. I rolled out for a ride this morning and swung by to meet my friend, and just for grins we took his wheelset with the Neo's on it and threw it in the Bombadil. As I suspected they fit fine if your intent is purely mountain biking. No you can't run fenders, but the rear has as much clearance as any other MTB I've had, and the front, although tighter, is plenty fine for the dry conditions we have here in Colorado. I suppose things could get gummed up if you spend a bunch of time in the slop, but I find in those cases the build up around the brakes and drive train stop you before anything else. It's pretty rare to get any big mud-fest riding along the Colorado front range and on those occasions narrower tires would be better suited. Check out the pictures though as your idea of acceptable clearance may differ drastically based on your geography. As for todays ride my friend said I could run his wheels till I get mine done, and boy the fat knobby tires were a huge improvement off the beaten path as would be expected. Being able to run a lower pressure really smoothed out the edge and gripped the loose stuff like it should. Again pretty basic stuff with no magic involved, but wicked fun for sure. And as far as the stance of the bike, well it just got a bit more serious! I must admit, I had been sort of on the fence thinking I should have gone with an Atlantis for mtb duty while I was waiting on the Bombadil to show...but I think those little demons have lost their voice. Here is a small flickr set from today with some tire clearance shots. http://tinyurl.com/ydg9tzu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Thanks for the good description, and congratulations. Let us have more photos when you can. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM, jinxed wrote: > > Well after much debate, reading, soul searching and money saving...I > have a Bombadil. This is a quick and dirty first impression and I will > follow up better later. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] (505) 227-0523 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
That's a nice write-up and build. Looks really cool. Almost steampunk. The raw steel under the clear coat is the key, as I have that too: Here's my favorite part (indeed, David): http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/2480924892/in/set-72157604736650031/ Esteban --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
Great article. Enjoy the bike and do the "real camera" pictures as soon as you can. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Fri, 11/6/09, jinxed wrote: From: jinxed Subject: [RBW] Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil! To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:17 PM Well after much debate, reading, soul searching and money saving...I have a Bombadil. This is a quick and dirty first impression and I will follow up better later. http://tinyurl.com/ybnpgx8 Ordering: The order went fairly smooth, with only a minor delay for paint. Or clear powder coat to be more accurate. I had called up Riv a week before I had money in hand just to be sure they had a 52 available, which apparently they had a few. When I was funded, I made the call ordered the frame/fork/hs and some other random bits including the bullmoose bar. All was well, and was to ship the next day. A week later I called nervously fearing it was lost. As it turns out, the frame they had was literally "raw" and still needed the clear coat. So off it went. A week later, that frame came back, but the clear was flawed, so they sent another one off. So one more turn around and BOOM my bike is on the way! Hot dog!! Got my shipping confirmation, and a few day later I had Mr. UPS knocking on my door. Receiving: Always the fun part...just like Christmas. If I have learned one thing in my 16 years in the bike industry, it's that Rivendell knows how to package bikes and frames. I was floored when I got my Bleriot. I have packed somewhere over 1000 bikes and hold the title of "Pack King" at my shop...but I was seriously humbled upon opening the box. The Bombadil was no exception. Inspecting: Le Dang. What a fun and beautiful frame. I have been very lucky to work with and around some really cool bikes over the years. I even worked manufacturing them for a couple. Having built bikes from raw tube sets, the nature of the raw powder coat really makes me happy. Generally frames would undergo a bead blast even if being cleared, which gives a really nice satin metallic finish and still shows off the brazing. But I have to say, skipping the bead blast is what really shows off the beauty of the steel. I had a couple days waiting on some build parts so it was fun to really spend time checking out all the brazing and lug work. I'm extremely happy with the construction quality, and feel the price tag was more than fair for the amount of work represented. Keep in mind, I chose to pay retail for this as opposed to being able to pro-deal something from work. Assembly: The frame seemed fairly well prepped out of the box, but I chased the bottom bracket shell and honed the seat tube for measure. Frame alignment was spot on both with a gauge and the good ol string measure. Dropout alignment was also perfect. Nothing had to be tinkered with, and went together very smoothly. Initial impressions: First off, ignore the pictured wheelset and tires, those are off my Bleriot. I am still waiting on spokes to finish the wheels which will be shod with Pacenti Quasi-motos. They will be built on Dyad rims with Chris King classic MTB hubs, 3X DT double butted spokes. Otherwise, it is set up as planned. Now the bar was a real gamble for me. I was really up in the air between the bullmoose and going with a moustache set up like my Bleriot. I really love the moustache bars, but was not sure how I would like them on a dedicated mountain bike so I opted for the more "traditional" stance. I was even more worried when I placed them on the bike. They really seemed odd to me. Very high and very swept back. I sunk the quill as far as it would go, and looking at it figured I would be looking to trade them for moustache bars. But once it was out of my stand (and dining room) and I test rode it...well they may be staying. Very comfortable and the sweep puts the angle of the bar at a very neutral wrist position for me. I am extremely eager to get this bike in the dirt with knobbies. It has been several years since I had a bike with v-brakes, and I had forgotten just how well they can work. I decided to go "V" over much better looking canti's only for function off road, and I am glad I made that choice. The majority of the parts are modern XT, which although looks modern still seemed suiting in it's industrial black and silver finish. Original XTR would have been nice, but this stuff was super budget friendly, and works fantastic. Ride: Every bike seems to have it's own feel that can be very hard to convey. You seem to notice it on the first couple rides when the bike is fresh and you haven't become accustomed to the subtleties yet. The first out of the saddle sprint, the first hard leaning corner, a rough downhill, that kind of stuff. I spent about an hour doing a shakedown ride where nothing shookdown. I mixed paved trails with flat relatively straight single track and hard pack gravel. I felt perched high but connected solidly to the ground. The bike did not feel sluggish a
[RBW] Re: Fresh off the work stand...my Bombadil!
You couldn't have chosen a better bike! I also ride a Bombadil, and when not riding it in the woods, it makes me look forward to getting up and going to work. On Nov 6, 9:17 pm, jinxed wrote: > Well after much debate, reading, soul searching and money saving...I > have a Bombadil. This is a quick and dirty first impression and I will > follow up better later. > > http://tinyurl.com/ybnpgx8 > > Ordering: > The order went fairly smooth, with only a minor delay for paint. Or > clear powder coat to be more accurate. I had called up Riv a week > before I had money in hand just to be sure they had a 52 available, > which apparently they had a few. When I was funded, I made the call > ordered the frame/fork/hs and some other random bits including the > bullmoose bar. All was well, and was to ship the next day. A week > later I called nervously fearing it was lost. As it turns out, the > frame they had was literally "raw" and still needed the clear coat. So > off it went. A week later, that frame came back, but the clear was > flawed, so they sent another one off. So one more turn around and BOOM > my bike is on the way! Hot dog!! Got my shipping confirmation, and a > few day later I had Mr. UPS knocking on my door. > > Receiving: > Always the fun part...just like Christmas. If I have learned one thing > in my 16 years in the bike industry, it's that Rivendell knows how to > package bikes and frames. I was floored when I got my Bleriot. I have > packed somewhere over 1000 bikes and hold the title of "Pack King" at > my shop...but I was seriously humbled upon opening the box. The > Bombadil was no exception. > > Inspecting: > Le Dang. What a fun and beautiful frame. I have been very lucky to > work with and around some really cool bikes over the years. I even > worked manufacturing them for a couple. Having built bikes from raw > tube sets, the nature of the raw powder coat really makes me happy. > Generally frames would undergo a bead blast even if being cleared, > which gives a really nice satin metallic finish and still shows off > the brazing. But I have to say, skipping the bead blast is what really > shows off the beauty of the steel. I had a couple days waiting on some > build parts so it was fun to really spend time checking out all the > brazing and lug work. I'm extremely happy with the construction > quality, and feel the price tag was more than fair for the amount of > work represented. Keep in mind, I chose to pay retail for this as > opposed to being able to pro-deal something from work. > > Assembly: > The frame seemed fairly well prepped out of the box, but I chased the > bottom bracket shell and honed the seat tube for measure. Frame > alignment was spot on both with a gauge and the good ol string > measure. Dropout alignment was also perfect. Nothing had to be > tinkered with, and went together very smoothly. > > Initial impressions: > First off, ignore the pictured wheelset and tires, those are off my > Bleriot. I am still waiting on spokes to finish the wheels which will > be shod with Pacenti Quasi-motos. They will be built on Dyad rims with > Chris King classic MTB hubs, 3X DT double butted spokes. Otherwise, it > is set up as planned. Now the bar was a real gamble for me. I was > really up in the air between the bullmoose and going with a moustache > set up like my Bleriot. I really love the moustache bars, but was not > sure how I would like them on a dedicated mountain bike so I opted for > the more "traditional" stance. I was even more worried when I placed > them on the bike. They really seemed odd to me. Very high and very > swept back. I sunk the quill as far as it would go, and looking at it > figured I would be looking to trade them for moustache bars. But once > it was out of my stand (and dining room) and I test rode it...well > they may be staying. Very comfortable and the sweep puts the angle of > the bar at a very neutral wrist position for me. I am extremely eager > to get this bike in the dirt with knobbies. It has been several years > since I had a bike with v-brakes, and I had forgotten just how well > they can work. I decided to go "V" over much better looking canti's > only for function off road, and I am glad I made that choice. The > majority of the parts are modern XT, which although looks modern still > seemed suiting in it's industrial black and silver finish. Original > XTR would have been nice, but this stuff was super budget friendly, > and works fantastic. > > Ride: > Every bike seems to have it's own feel that can be very hard to > convey. You seem to notice it on the first couple rides when the bike > is fresh and you haven't become accustomed to the subtleties yet. The > first out of the saddle sprint, the first hard leaning corner, a rough > downhill, that kind of stuff. I spent about an hour doing a shakedown > ride where nothing shookdown. I mixed paved trails with flat > relatively straight single track and hard pack gravel. I felt perched > high but c
