[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I totally agree with Leah; dudes should ride bikes with girl names too! At the same time...Clem is short for Clémence, Clementine, or Clément. I do have several friends named Clementine that go by "Clem" (I live in France, Clementine is a common name here). la bise, john On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 4:32:57 PM UTC+1 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Almost always a Riv frame purchase comes with a headset, so make sure they > know you have one already. If a headset is included, they may offer to > give it to you separately uninstalled for future use, or maybe they'd do a > gentleman's buy-back for you, and allow you to grab something else you > need. > > Congrats! > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 7:29:33 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote: >> >> I am triple digits beyond the weight limit, so I went with the Gus. The >> big question for me was the frame size. I am 6' and 83 PBH so I could have >> gone M or L. I would usually have gone L because of my long torso, but I >> wanted to keep as much clearance to the TT as possible so I went M, I also >> wanted 650B x 2.8. >> >> I have been buying parts in anticipation of the Gus for a while. I have a >> Crust LD stem and 1-1/8 IRD roller bearing headset for the threadless >> forks, as well as Jones bars. It will be 1X gearing with a White Ind. >> crank. 48 spoke Cliffhangers. >> >> Laing >> Delray Beach FL >> >> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/635aab5f-05ce-4e04-b9d6-2d7989ae8d46n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Almost always a Riv frame purchase comes with a headset, so make sure they know you have one already. If a headset is included, they may offer to give it to you separately uninstalled for future use, or maybe they'd do a gentleman's buy-back for you, and allow you to grab something else you need. Congrats! Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 7:29:33 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote: > > I am triple digits beyond the weight limit, so I went with the Gus. The > big question for me was the frame size. I am 6' and 83 PBH so I could have > gone M or L. I would usually have gone L because of my long torso, but I > wanted to keep as much clearance to the TT as possible so I went M, I also > wanted 650B x 2.8. > > I have been buying parts in anticipation of the Gus for a while. I have a > Crust LD stem and 1-1/8 IRD roller bearing headset for the threadless > forks, as well as Jones bars. It will be 1X gearing with a White Ind. > crank. 48 spoke Cliffhangers. > > Laing > Delray Beach FL > > >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/238f2e72-5350-4676-a9aa-42d004e61404%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I am triple digits beyond the weight limit, so I went with the Gus. The big question for me was the frame size. I am 6' and 83 PBH so I could have gone M or L. I would usually have gone L because of my long torso, but I wanted to keep as much clearance to the TT as possible so I went M, I also wanted 650B x 2.8. I have been buying parts in anticipation of the Gus for a while. I have a Crust LD stem and 1-1/8 IRD roller bearing headset for the threadless forks, as well as Jones bars. It will be 1X gearing with a White Ind. crank. 48 spoke Cliffhangers. Laing Delray Beach FL > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/412be88a-f171-4ef4-9f78-fa1039471046%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Here's another perspective on the weight vs. frame stiffness vs. stem type: I think I would probably prefer the stouter tubing and not-inconsequentially-bigger frame size of the large sized Gus over the equivalent Susie, but I got the later instead. Ironically, I chose this precisely because of concerns I have regarding *overall *stiffness when paired with my intended *handlebar* selection. Without having the opportunity to try the bike first, I'm about 85% certain I want to use Bosco bars. But I know from experience that the aluminum version in a traditional stem is way, way too flexy for me, whereas the steel, quill-mounted, bullmoose version is just great. I'm probably not going to ride this as a rough trail bike (especially since I'm pushing the weight limit), but I DO like to use the leverage afforded by those wide bars for throwing a bike into corners, or while standing to accelerate. So I'm taking a calculated risk that the benefits of the stiffer handlebar will trump the the disadvantages of a less-stiff and less-durable frame. If I discover that the bike works or fits better with a different bar shape, I'll likely be looking to swap for the other model. If anybody has had a chance to ride a prototype with bosco bars and has impressions about their appropriateness and/or cockpit cramping, I'd love to hear them while I might still be able to change my order. Another general comment, as someone who already rides rigid bikes with plus-size tires most of the time, is that once you get to a 2.8" tire the "comfort" benefit of a flexier frame becomes pretty negligible. The tires, if aired properly, absorb the most commonly offensive vibrations. If you're relying on the frame to absorb "big" hits, you're probably pushing it harder than you should. Conversely, it can be really annoying on a trail bike when the fork is so flexible that it twists in hard corners enough to affect steering/tracking, or when the whole frame twists enough that your tire rubs on a chainstay during hard climbing or acceleration. So in a nutshell, my experience regarding trail bikes with fat enough tires leads me to believe that ANY flex is basically a bad thing. In fact, I think that if I could have made one suggestion on these bikes, it would have been to make the fork spacing 135mm OLN, so that we could have a stiffer front wheel too. The 100mm-hubbed 29er wheel on my clem, which this bike will replace, has a lot of flex and shimmy that is NOT a good thing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0933b21e-ee33-4cae-a1d3-25dc44a23105%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
That’s a sharp looking Peugeot, Mark! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c884e59-df15-4451-9285-b1134c612ff0%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Close enough Mark, there aren't enough words to describe *that which is everything*, including the word itself :) My favorite ride, is this One it's Life Itself ! On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 7:05:56 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote: > > I understand the lighter tubing equals "flexier" "more spirited" or > "planes." I had a L'Avecaise with a 7/4/7 top tube, and currently have a > Panasonic DX5000 with same. My sweet spot is probably 531 with 8/5/8. My > point is, both the Suzie and the Gus are OS tubing and likely not the > lightest OS tubing, and it might be a bit difficult to feel the difference. > But who knows, maybe not. > > If I were getting a fillet-brazed HilliBike, I would go with the Suzie > because I fall in the designer's recommended weight class, but perhaps > also, deep down in that terrible dark place in my cycling soul that rejects > the Just Ride ethos, in the hopes that it would be a tad snappier. However, > I've been spending quite a bit of my limited saddle time lately on a > beautiful red mid eighties Peugeot, and I can tell you JR is where it's at. > And nothing much better than a HilliBike of whatever tubing with that > objective in mind (or non-mind, or un-mind? No mind? Garth, help me out!) > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bd255ad5-f1f0-4ae9-abf5-337a55d616a1%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
So I see some people don't understand that a lighter tubing =a more responsive ride and more give when you hit large bumps.If they make a lighter tubed version there's a reason. If you plan on carrying more weight (or you weigh more)you get the heavier tubing, if you weigh less get the light one if you only plan on riding with light loads. The weight difference between threaded and threadless is insignificant. But lighter tubing should feel snappier and give more when you hit stuff. Either way this is going to be fun. Mark On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 4:05:14 AM UTC-8, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4c904e6f-ff80-42c4-af0a-856e3dd8f053%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Hi All, Yes I did order a Susie today. I talked to Vince who was, as always very helpful. I talked size mostly, my longish PBH for my height and my large feets but relatively light weight put me on a large Susie. I'm pretty excited obviously.this will make us a 4 Riv household and my first long chainstay stretch limo Riv. My wifes Betty and my MUSA Homer and Atlantis make the set pretty complete. Now I just have to figure out which of my 11 other bikes to unload. I'm supposed to getting rid of bikes but the new Hillybikes have caught my attention since Gus first reared his big head (tube). I have some Cliffhangers for it and most other parts, probably will get some Silver cranks and new shifters for it Have a spare Bosco but might look for an old Bullmoose bar of some kind... Cheers Mark Pescadero Ca On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 4:05:14 AM UTC-8, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41c18b66-ef4b-45a0-96d8-5f4be91922a3%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I found the draft brochure on Grant's blahg and magnified it enough to read that he did not want to publicize the numbers because people make ill informed decisions based on them. I can understand that but if/when I pay $1600 for a frame I have never seen in person, I need something to base it on. I appreciate you post that link. It is helpful. On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:45:35 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote: > > Rivendell has made it a specific point to not post the geometry. I think > there was a diagram with numbers leaked but retracted at one point, but not > 100% sure on that. Rivelo just posted this info on their blog, which at > least gives the top tube dimensions. It also introduces yet another version > of the PBH range chart for each size that doesn't match previously posted > charts. > > http://www.rivelopdx.com/blog/2019/11/17/83pxriewy1hast2um9lep4qs34y70h > > Chris > > > On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:16:51 AM UTC-5, Andy Beichler wrote: >> >> Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the >> looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these >> days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. >> >> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b4851cd4-9240-46cc-9e50-12982e1652ec%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Thanks, Patrick. I really like the looks of this frame. On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Andy asked if Gus would make a good all rounder. Yes. Absolutely. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 9:16:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Beichler wrote: >> >> Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the >> looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these >> days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. >> >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:05:14 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote: >>> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> >>> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming >>> Hillibikes and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and >>> Susie. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 >>> vote for the Gus, 2 for the Susie. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/677572db-0e4b-40f5-9a5b-f6732e3bceb8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The Gus and Susie are showing up for me on the Geometries and Sizing page on Riv's site. Looks like 71.5 degree seat tube angles and 69 degree head tube across the whole size range. I really appreciate them posting this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5f161920-3ad7-4e82-860b-78fcd9871bfa%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Am I reading that correctly, that a 57cm Gus has a 67.5 cm effective top tube length? I thought the ETT has looked awful short in the photos I've seen but maybe that's an illusion due to most having pullback bars. On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote: > > Rivendell has made it a specific point to not post the geometry. I think > there was a diagram with numbers leaked but retracted at one point, but not > 100% sure on that. Rivelo just posted this info on their blog, which at > least gives the top tube dimensions. It also introduces yet another version > of the PBH range chart for each size that doesn't match previously posted > charts. > > http://www.rivelopdx.com/blog/2019/11/17/83pxriewy1hast2um9lep4qs34y70h > > Chris > > > On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:16:51 AM UTC-5, Andy Beichler wrote: >> >> Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the >> looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these >> days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. >> >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:05:14 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote: >>> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> >>> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming >>> Hillibikes and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and >>> Susie. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 >>> vote for the Gus, 2 for the Susie. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43b38a79-7be9-4f75-aa06-1c35f92b696f%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Andy asked if Gus would make a good all rounder. Yes. Absolutely. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 9:16:51 AM UTC-7, Andy Beichler wrote: > > Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the > looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these > days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. > > On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:05:14 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote: >> >> Good morning, >> >> >> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming >> Hillibikes and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and >> Susie. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 >> vote for the Gus, 2 for the Susie. >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/970114a5-9eee-41e5-a1cc-38538b976b5e%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Rivendell has made it a specific point to not post the geometry. I think there was a diagram with numbers leaked but retracted at one point, but not 100% sure on that. Rivelo just posted this info on their blog, which at least gives the top tube dimensions. It also introduces yet another version of the PBH range chart for each size that doesn't match previously posted charts. http://www.rivelopdx.com/blog/2019/11/17/83pxriewy1hast2um9lep4qs34y70h Chris On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 11:16:51 AM UTC-5, Andy Beichler wrote: > > Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the > looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these > days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. > > On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:05:14 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote: >> >> Good morning, >> >> >> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming >> Hillibikes and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and >> Susie. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 >> vote for the Gus, 2 for the Susie. >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ebd4c01c-6e8b-46b4-b755-dae831f3df58%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Is there a brochure yet where I can look at geometry, etc? I like the looks of the Gus (way too heavy for the Susie) better than most bikes these days and wonder if it would make a good all rounder. On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 7:05:14 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/237fe93c-63e0-497f-ab08-1aceb4147878%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Grady: Those are good points that I would need to consider, too, if I was in the market. I liked Susie/Wolbis better on my short jaunts in a direct comparison with Gus, but I already have two trail-capable street Rivs. To go for the full traily vibe a Gus would make more sense for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/440613bd-22f4-489d-9f62-486c0a7dcdb7%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I had the opportunity to take a Gus Boots on an extended test ride in the Mount Diablo State Park. My test ride included all terrain types from tarmac to a steep singletrack decent down a rocky spine. My opinion is Gus is the most hili (mountain bikey) of the Rivendell lineup. It’s really a really fun and capable bike. I have also ridden a Hunq. I love both bikes. If both bikes were in my stable I don’t think the Hunq would be the primary trail bike. Gus Boots wins the trail spot and the Hunq would be the faster hili-country bike. My thoughts are if you have a Hunq already go for the Gus Boots because the threadless set up will give you more stem and handlebar options that are up to MTB strength. For someone that doesn’t have a Hunq and wants a Rivendell with greater tire clearance then a Suzie is a great option along with the Clem’s. Just my two cents. Happy trails On Saturday, 16 November 2019 05:05:14 UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > Good morning, > > > > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would you > mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, 2 > for the Susie. > > > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available for > lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the cut-off at > 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending sale changed > this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the bike for > camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping the > Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail bike. > And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive downhilling or > sizable jumps. > > > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up > weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is > heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be > quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the > approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once read(maybe > in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of > you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? I ask > because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, and I’m wondering > how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier stem. > > > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eee05cd8-80b3-4bf7-ad0d-f6a27569c698%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The Sam Hillborne got it right with only the unisex "Hillborne" logo - could/should maybe drop the first name altogether -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/131e50a3-901f-4330-8dc8-9f417f0edc5c%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I was going to buy the susie purely because I have a quill stem bullmoose I want to use on it. Wont be carrying loads and only weigh 75kg. I agree with others that I love all the names but i wish there was only one name per bike. Would totally buy the susie longbolts over the wolbis slugstone because its just a better name for a bike. Don't care about genders for objects, never have. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e586548a-d8e6-4e51-8609-951722578f79%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Deacon Patrick! Long time no hear— it’s great to see you back commenting on the forums again. Here’s hoping we’ll see lots more of your thoughtful and insightful posts in the future. The web’s not the same without you friend. All the best, ~Mark Raleigh, NC > On Nov 16, 2019, at 14:21, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > > I'm 200 lbs and ride my fixed gear Quickbeam on most everything as my gofast > MTB, much as you describe using your future hillybike. I love it. So long as > you ride "light" (unweight the saddle for the technical bits), you'll do > fine. I expect the Susie is beefier than the QB. Grin. > > However, I would suggest you may want to consider switching the roles of the > Hunq and hillybike. I've ridden the prototype Gus for 9 months and it takes > loads on rough roads, loose dirt, mud, rocks, climbs, descents, even better > than the Hunq due to the long wheelbase and wide tires. My Hunq is my gofast > wintery bike (it's converted to fixed gear) and it is brilliant for that. If > you do go that route, the Gus is the way to go. Or go nuts and get one of > each. Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > >> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> >> >> I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes >> and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would >> you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the Gus, >> 2 for the Susie. >> >> >> >> As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available >> for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the >> cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending >> sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the >> bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. >> >> >> >> I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any >> appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that >> takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping >> the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail >> bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive >> downhilling or sizable jumps. >> >> >> >> So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? >> >> >> >> Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have >> this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, >> the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up >> weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem is >> heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will be >> quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what the >> approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once >> read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. >> For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the >> ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, >> and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its heavier >> stem. >> >> >> >> Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help >> stop me from driving myself crazy. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d03cfe8c-8600-4df3-bf49-7e021b13250d%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/125E7D7E-91F1-4D53-ABF7-C95876A934D9%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I'm 200 lbs and ride my fixed gear Quickbeam on most everything as my gofast MTB, much as you describe using your future hillybike. I love it. So long as you ride "light" (unweight the saddle for the technical bits), you'll do fine. I expect the Susie is beefier than the QB. Grin. However, I would suggest you may want to consider switching the roles of the Hunq and hillybike. I've ridden the prototype Gus for 9 months and it takes loads on rough roads, loose dirt, mud, rocks, climbs, descents, even better than the Hunq due to the long wheelbase and wide tires. My Hunq is my gofast wintery bike (it's converted to fixed gear) and it is brilliant for that. If you do go that route, the Gus is the way to go. Or go nuts and get one of each. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d03cfe8c-8600-4df3-bf49-7e021b13250d%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Knowing little more about the two bikes other than what you've described, I'd certainly go for the Susie if it were me! It sounds like the more lively bike, unloaded, and if you're riding at a fairly relaxed pace, I think all the more reason to inject some liveliness. Plus, the additional flex I'm assuming it has will make it more comfortable over the rough stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b10bdde6-9d3f-4280-b50d-79e7e5bdccac%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The OP asked a number of questions. Here are my answers to those questions: 1. So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? Given your weight and purpose I would suggest the Susie 2. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? Yes it is 3. Does any one known what the approximate weight difference is between the two? Yes I do. Given that the frame and fork are already constructed, and assuming you'll go for the same fit using the identical handlebar with either conceptual build, then the only three components that are different are the headset, the stem and the steertube length. Headsets all weigh roughly 100 grams. Really really light ones weigh under 90g. Super heavy ones maybe weigh 140g. The headset for the Gus will be 1-1/8" (heavier) and threadless (lighter). The headset for the Susie will be 1" (lighter) and threaded (heavier). I'd put that difference at 1 ounce or less, all told, and my guess is that it will be the Gus headset that is lighter by let's call it 15g. The steertube for the Gus will be 1-1/8" and will be 25-75mm longer, depending on where you are running your bars. 1-1/8" threadless steerers weigh about 1 gram per millimeter. So the Gus fork steerer will be 25-75 grams heavier. The stem you run on the Gus will be threadless. A light mountain bike stem may be 150g. Something like a Nitto Bullmoose threadless stem is more like 220g. A Nitto Technomic Deluxe or dirt drop quill stem weighs about 300g. So, it depends but you could conceive of a Gus setup weighing up to 200g less than a Susie setup which would offset 7oz or so. You could also easily imagine a Gus setup offsetting 50g or less, making it an inconsequential wash. 4 I believe I once read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the ballpark? Yes it is. That comment is almost certainly from Mark Abele's own work. He is a racer and he is meticulous so he weighs everything and cares about weight. On two hypothetical builds for him, he'd be comparing 1" threaded to 1" threadless. There the differences would be somewhat more pronounced. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 4:05:14 AM UTC-8, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Good morning, > > > I’m seriously considering buying one of Rivendell’s forthcoming Hillibikes > and am having a difficult time deciding between the Gus and Susie. Would > you mind weighing in with your opinion? So far, I’ve got 1 vote for the > Gus, 2 for the Susie. > > > As many of you might know, the Susie is a lighter weight frame available > for lighter weight riders. The earlier promotional writing listed the > cut-off at 165lbs, though the most recent email advertising the impending > sale changed this figure to 180lbs. It’s also stipulated that it’s not the > bike for camping-weight loads of 25+ lbs. > > > I weigh 170lbs, and will never load whichever frame I choose with any > appreciable weight other than myself. I’m the proud owner of a Hunq that > takes care of any loaded off-road-ish rides, and am interested in keeping > the Gus/Susie rack and basket free. It’ll be a dedicated, no load trail > bike. And I’m not a hard-riding trail rider either — no aggressive > downhilling or sizable jumps. > > > So, given my weight and purpose, which would you suggest? > > > Oh, also, before you answer…. one question for those of you who might have > this kind of technical information…. the Gus comes with a threadless stem, > the Susie with a quill. It’s been my understanding that a quill stem > set-up weights a bit more than threadless. Is this correct? The actual stem > is heavier, of course. But then the steerer of the threadless set-up will > be quite a bit longer and heavier vs. the quill. Does any one known what > the approximate weight difference is between the two? I believe I once > read(maybe in a Riv Reader?) that the quill set-up weighs about 8oz more. > For those of you who know, is this close to accurate or even in the > ballpark? I ask because the Susie’s lighter tubed weight savings is 12 oz, > and I’m wondering how much of the this savings will be offset by its > heavier stem. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening. Please let me know what you think and help > stop me from driving myself crazy. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b0ecb849-b6f8-4796-a4b1-b7eb52e95cbd%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
Sounds like your description mirrors the Susie ad copy rather closely... I think it's very cool Riv is introducing an updated design specifically for trail riding! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/672fae87-97e0-479b-b6bd-e65a1a9af2f8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
The larger diameter tubing in the Gus is functional for the purposes of stabilizing larger loads/riders. The idea of "saving weight" and it's desirability seems to ingrained in the cycling world that few question it. Do question it to your own satisfaction ! Does less weight alone really make for a "better" cycling experience ? Really, better than what ? Sez who , and what makes that who any authority that you are not ? Chasing weight is hilarious in so many ways, among them few consider the one actually riding the bike ! In gest .Oh, what about that water and bottles ? Oh ... that's gotta go ! Food ? Nope, there's no place for that , either carrying it or even eating it. Lightweight cycling runs on "ether" you know !!! Clothing ? Not even Ahahaahahaha ! Seriously though, I only consider the bar/stem combo I'll be using. If I was surely going to use a certain 31.8 bar all that's need is a 31.8 threadless stem. What height and angle ? Do I mind having potential extra steer tube above the stem ? Answer for yourself ! There are fewer 31.8 quill stems so if that seems like a good idea one better know what's really available beforehand. A threadless quill adapter allows for all use with any threadless stem. Usable quill heights range from very little to quite high.. I've used the VO/Genetic brand one for years and I don't even think about. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0c800524-c110-481a-bbfa-25ae433ed7bf%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?
I've no specific knowledge of either frame as I don't do that kind of riding. A better question might be where does a gap exist in your stable of bikes? (if you have 7 Riv's you may not have much/any gap). You cite the Hunq for the heavy loaded stuff and that you'll go load-free with no extreme riding on the Gus/Susie. That right there would steer me towards the lighter Susie. Perhaps the best question is what do you prefer: threaded or threadless? There are pros & cons of each. Do you already have a bunch of stems of one type, that might inform your decision as well as it would allow you to better dial in fit. Despite his prickly reply, I do agree with Steve that the minuscule weight difference of the headset doesn't matter. Happy shopping, Austin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5c18d36c-26c7-41e7-8a91-cec5802e4ec1%40googlegroups.com.
