Re: [RBW] Re: HS
That's cool, something fun to look forward to. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > Keven told me that we'll have a few decisions to make between now and > delivery, and that GP might spill a few details, but I didn't get the sense > that there's going to be a Big Reveal now that all HS's are spoken for. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:01 PM, "robert zeidler" > wrote: > >> Anybody hear anything? >> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J >> wrote: >>> I sympathize. I did the same for 8 days, but curiosity finally trumped >>> caution. I was the last one in the pool. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:50 PM, "Pondero" wrote: >>> I thought, pondered, and agonized, but couldn't pull the trigger. Congratulations to adventurous out there. May you be well-rewarded. On Jun 27, 2:27 pm, Leslie wrote: > Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you >>> that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice >>> contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and >>> cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under >>> the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions >>> or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any >>> tax-related matters addressed herein. >>> >>> >>> >>> This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the >>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or >>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >>> email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or >>> copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. >>> If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) >>> 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any >>> email) and any printout thereof. >>> >>> Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their >>> professional qualifications will be provided upon request. >>> >>> == >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > > > To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you > that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained > in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, > for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal > Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) > promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters > addressed herein. > > > > This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the > addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. > If you receive this email in error please immediately n
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Keven told me that we'll have a few decisions to make between now and delivery, and that GP might spill a few details, but I didn't get the sense that there's going to be a Big Reveal now that all HS's are spoken for. Sent from my iPad On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:01 PM, "robert zeidler" wrote: > Anybody hear anything? > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J > wrote: >> I sympathize. I did the same for 8 days, but curiosity finally trumped >> caution. I was the last one in the pool. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:50 PM, "Pondero" wrote: >> >>> I thought, pondered, and agonized, but couldn't pull the trigger. >>> >>> Congratulations to adventurous out there. May you be well-rewarded. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2:27 pm, Leslie wrote: Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you >> that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained >> in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, >> for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal >> Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) >> promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related >> matters addressed herein. >> >> >> >> This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the >> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or >> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >> email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or >> copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. >> If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) >> 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any >> email) and any printout thereof. >> >> Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their >> professional qualifications will be provided upon request. >> >> == >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications w
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Anybody hear anything? On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > I sympathize. I did the same for 8 days, but curiosity finally trumped > caution. I was the last one in the pool. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:50 PM, "Pondero" wrote: > >> I thought, pondered, and agonized, but couldn't pull the trigger. >> >> Congratulations to adventurous out there. May you be well-rewarded. >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2:27 pm, Leslie wrote: >>> Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > > > To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you > that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained > in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, > for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal > Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) > promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters > addressed herein. > > > > This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the > addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. > If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) > 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any > email) and any printout thereof. > > Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their > professional qualifications will be provided upon request. > > == > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
I sympathize. I did the same for 8 days, but curiosity finally trumped caution. I was the last one in the pool. Sent from my iPad On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:50 PM, "Pondero" wrote: > I thought, pondered, and agonized, but couldn't pull the trigger. > > Congratulations to adventurous out there. May you be well-rewarded. > > > On Jun 27, 2:27 pm, Leslie wrote: >> Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I thought, pondered, and agonized, but couldn't pull the trigger. Congratulations to adventurous out there. May you be well-rewarded. On Jun 27, 2:27 pm, Leslie wrote: > Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Rivbike updated, now says "All Gone" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yRrba2Fj0XwJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
I, thus far, have not heard from the good folks at the Riv. I am curious as to what the project holds, though. Even though I disagree wit a lot of stuff GP does, the fact is that every time we have spoken by phone, he has been only kind and courteous to me. I continue to spend money there, and have been a loyal BOB member since God knows when. And, when all is said and done, it is his company. I have a company too, and the most admirable thing about him, IMHO, is the thing that I do myself. We follow our instincts, and do what we think is best. Besides what better way to push the boundaries than a Beanpole Edition!? So here I sit patiently waiting. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Abcyclehank wrote: > Down to only one left. > > Wondered if anyone was not included due to size factors. > At 6'7" 235 with a 99 pbh I have been tempted but figured I might be > out of luck. > > Robert has potentially given me hope. > > Ryan > > On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, robert zeidler wrote: >> I may be too late, but just in case, I filled out the form anyway. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, William wrote: >> > If you look on ebay for HammerSchmidt cranksets there are silver ones >> > as well...at least the arms. Sounds plausible. >> >> > On Jun 20, 8:50 pm, Montclair BobbyB >> > wrote: >> >> Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... >> >> >> On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: >> >> >> > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you >> >> > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the >> >> > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look >> >> > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the >> >> > photo? >> >> >> > dougP >> >> >> > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for >> >> > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed >> >> > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in >> >> > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front >> >> > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND >> >> > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. >> >> >> > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent >> >> >> > > Peace, >> >> > > BB >> >> >> > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: >> >> >> > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or >> >> > > > just >> >> > > > the hub?" >> >> >> > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be >> >> > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon >> >> > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it >> >> > > > was >> >> > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. >> >> >> > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal >> >> > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup >> >> > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single >> >> > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties >> >> > > > for >> >> > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out >> >> > > > of >> >> > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter >> >> > > > best of all for this concept. >> >> >> > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: >> >> >> > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the >> >> > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, >> >> > > > > > very >> >> > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the >> >> > > > > > extra >> >> > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist >> >> > > > > > shifter in >> >> > > > > > a split second." >> >> >> > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist >> >> > > > > > shifter. >> >> >> > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or >> >> > > > > just >> >> > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar >> >> > > > > for >> >> > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all >> >> > > > > handled at >> >> > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy >> >> > > > > enough) >> >> > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) >> >> >> > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
As a "gambler", I'm quite pleased GP is serious about this. I gambled on my Riv custom about 9 years ago, and every ride is like putting on my favorite pair of jeans. A pair of dice headbadge is stuck in my feeble mind. I'll have to work on that. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM, doug peterson wrote: > grant: > > This little corner of the bicycling world has a lot of faith in your > designs and trust in your selection of components, execution of > details, etc. If the gamblers on this bike are as happy with the > result as I expect them to be, do you have any idea how long the line > is going to be next time you start musing along the lines of "...I've > got this idea"? > > dougP > > On Jun 26, 8:42 am, grant wrote: >> Three of the so-far-eight gamblers have PBH of 95+, with a 99 already >> in there. So...although ifwhen a production model happens, we'll limit >> it to 3-4 sizes, on the gambler's run, it looks like they'll be made >> to fit, anyway. But there is a detail that makes them fit a slighly >> wider range fine. Still, I've having to design bigger ones than I'd >> expected to. No biggie, can do it, and Nobi certainly can make 'em. >> Uno left, but we may just have it built and keep it as a demo here, as >> a sample to show in case we have a production model. Mine could be >> that, too, but it would be good to have two styles, etc. >> >> It's a fun and educational project for me, personallyprofessionally. >> It reveals some gaps in the framebuilding supplies menu, and I've got >> to figure out whether to turn left or right, so I talk to the guys >> here about it. "Simple or superfluous?" comes up a lot. Is >> "superfluous" just more versatile, or is it too much? Options are in >> general desirable, but too many options are mean and confusing. The >> bike won't look radically weird. People on the street may stop and >> look and know they're looking at something special or unusual, but >> they won't see the stuff I think it neat about it. Of course, it is >> all theory at this point. I could be wrong about it. The first one >> made will be mine, and if I'm wrong about what I think should be the >> coolest thing about the bike, then I'll go to plan A & 1/2 for the >> gamblers, and that should nail it. Gamblers or not, I don't want to >> design a monkey bike for anybody, and the leap-uh-faith that's going >> on is something I take super seriously, and don't want to blow it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
grant: This little corner of the bicycling world has a lot of faith in your designs and trust in your selection of components, execution of details, etc. If the gamblers on this bike are as happy with the result as I expect them to be, do you have any idea how long the line is going to be next time you start musing along the lines of "...I've got this idea"? dougP On Jun 26, 8:42 am, grant wrote: > Three of the so-far-eight gamblers have PBH of 95+, with a 99 already > in there. So...although ifwhen a production model happens, we'll limit > it to 3-4 sizes, on the gambler's run, it looks like they'll be made > to fit, anyway. But there is a detail that makes them fit a slighly > wider range fine. Still, I've having to design bigger ones than I'd > expected to. No biggie, can do it, and Nobi certainly can make 'em. > Uno left, but we may just have it built and keep it as a demo here, as > a sample to show in case we have a production model. Mine could be > that, too, but it would be good to have two styles, etc. > > It's a fun and educational project for me, personallyprofessionally. > It reveals some gaps in the framebuilding supplies menu, and I've got > to figure out whether to turn left or right, so I talk to the guys > here about it. "Simple or superfluous?" comes up a lot. Is > "superfluous" just more versatile, or is it too much? Options are in > general desirable, but too many options are mean and confusing. The > bike won't look radically weird. People on the street may stop and > look and know they're looking at something special or unusual, but > they won't see the stuff I think it neat about it. Of course, it is > all theory at this point. I could be wrong about it. The first one > made will be mine, and if I'm wrong about what I think should be the > coolest thing about the bike, then I'll go to plan A & 1/2 for the > gamblers, and that should nail it. Gamblers or not, I don't want to > design a monkey bike for anybody, and the leap-uh-faith that's going > on is something I take super seriously, and don't want to blow it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > > (2) As I suspected, the Large Saddlesack by itself isn't big enough > for camping. Grant appears to be using one, but he is also using some > sort of large front bag, and he has jammed a lot of stuff on top of > the front bag too. > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > That looks like a SlickerSack up front. I use the setup when I go camping (which isn't often enough I'm afraid). http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/4559543495_b73a201537_z_d.jpg It's kind of hard to tell from my image but there is a SlickerSack with stuff piled on it under the yellow rain cover (I'd started in morning rain which had cleared by this rest break). The SlickerSack has places one can strap stuff on. I've also tossed a net over the whole deal which I usually do. This was from last year. As I said; not often enough. I'm actually off to do most of the same ride today (about 70 miles), but sadly, no camping. It's a one way ride with a bus trip home at the end. Aloha! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Three of the so-far-eight gamblers have PBH of 95+, with a 99 already in there. So...although ifwhen a production model happens, we'll limit it to 3-4 sizes, on the gambler's run, it looks like they'll be made to fit, anyway. But there is a detail that makes them fit a slighly wider range fine. Still, I've having to design bigger ones than I'd expected to. No biggie, can do it, and Nobi certainly can make 'em. Uno left, but we may just have it built and keep it as a demo here, as a sample to show in case we have a production model. Mine could be that, too, but it would be good to have two styles, etc. It's a fun and educational project for me, personallyprofessionally. It reveals some gaps in the framebuilding supplies menu, and I've got to figure out whether to turn left or right, so I talk to the guys here about it. "Simple or superfluous?" comes up a lot. Is "superfluous" just more versatile, or is it too much? Options are in general desirable, but too many options are mean and confusing. The bike won't look radically weird. People on the street may stop and look and know they're looking at something special or unusual, but they won't see the stuff I think it neat about it. Of course, it is all theory at this point. I could be wrong about it. The first one made will be mine, and if I'm wrong about what I think should be the coolest thing about the bike, then I'll go to plan A & 1/2 for the gamblers, and that should nail it. Gamblers or not, I don't want to design a monkey bike for anybody, and the leap-uh-faith that's going on is something I take super seriously, and don't want to blow it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Fuz wrote: > > Deducing from what exists of the current model lineup, what could fit in, > and what ancillary data has circulated, my guess is also that it will be a > highly integrated IGH frame with provisions for internal wiring/cabling, > chain-guard, disc brakes, lighting, along with the usual riv design > philosophies. It's about as modernish as you can get, but outside of > questionably proven new tech. > > For its purpose it will have be be somewhat plain to avoid looking like a > theft target, with a durable (possibly powder coated?) finish. That's what I think too. And if I KNEW that's what it would be, I'd be tempted. By the way, looking at those pictures of Grant and the Pushing the Pedals dude camping makes me think two things: (1) I need to take my bike for a small jaunt to the Marin Headlands. Angel Island, too. Those S24O's look great. (2) As I suspected, the Large Saddlesack by itself isn't big enough for camping. Grant appears to be using one, but he is also using some sort of large front bag, and he has jammed a lot of stuff on top of the front bag too. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
- I did notice that Grant has been featured on http://pushingthepedals.com/ just before the announcement of the HS. - I also note more than a few of the bikes featured on http://pushingthepedals.com/ have single ring cranks with an IGH. - Also noted that there has been talk of a simple commuter bike. Deducing from what exists of the current model lineup, what could fit in, and what ancillary data has circulated, my guess is also that it will be a highly integrated IGH frame with provisions for internal wiring/cabling, chain-guard, disc brakes, lighting, along with the usual riv design philosophies. It's about as modernish as you can get, but outside of questionably proven new tech. For its purpose it will have be be somewhat plain to avoid looking like a theft target, with a durable (possibly power coated?) finish. But part of me has some doubt since a bike like this already exists in one form or another. Like the Retrovelo Rolf 14 model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GGniG3oEC3EJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Down to only one left. Wondered if anyone was not included due to size factors. At 6'7" 235 with a 99 pbh I have been tempted but figured I might be out of luck. Robert has potentially given me hope. Ryan On Jun 21, 2:09 pm, robert zeidler wrote: > I may be too late, but just in case, I filled out the form anyway. > > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, William wrote: > > If you look on ebay for HammerSchmidt cranksets there are silver ones > > as well...at least the arms. Sounds plausible. > > > On Jun 20, 8:50 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > >> Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... > > >> On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > >> > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you > >> > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the > >> > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look > >> > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the > >> > photo? > > >> > dougP > > >> > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > wrote: > > >> > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > >> > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > >> > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > >> > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > >> > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > >> > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > >> > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > >> > > Peace, > >> > > BB > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > >> > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > >> > > > just > >> > > > the hub?" > > >> > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > >> > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > >> > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > >> > > > was > >> > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > >> > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > >> > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > >> > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > >> > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > >> > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > >> > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > >> > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > >> > > > best of all for this concept. > > >> > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > >> > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, > >> > > > > > very > >> > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > >> > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > >> > > > > > shifter in > >> > > > > > a split second." > > >> > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > >> > > > > > shifter. > > >> > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > >> > > > > just > >> > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled > >> > > > > at > >> > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > >> > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > >> > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
The Les Paul model. Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2011, at 12:56 PM, robert zeidler wrote: > Or better yet, 6 diaga tubes, all specially tuned to match the strings > on a guitar. You could ride your axe! Or play your bike or... > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Ginz wrote: >> Great idea. The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- >> a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! >> >> >> On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie wrote: >>> Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out >>> withthen reveal the actual bicycle. But the gag bike has to work >>> and you must ride it. Maybe a clown bike or something like that would >>> be fun. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I dont know about all of this silliness. I just wish they would get to building my A Homer Hilsen. :-( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Or better yet, 6 diaga tubes, all specially tuned to match the strings on a guitar. You could ride your axe! Or play your bike or... On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Ginz wrote: > Great idea. The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- > a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! > > > On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie wrote: >> Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out >> withthen reveal the actual bicycle. But the gag bike has to work >> and you must ride it. Maybe a clown bike or something like that would >> be fun. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I think the new bike will have creative and beautiful seat stays here- to-for never seen. liesl minneapolis (and the family where John Blish's spectacular 58 Quickbeam went) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Right! lugged this bike: http://www.tariksaleh.com/bike/flashy/flashy.html On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Ginz wrote: > Great idea. The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- > a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! > > > On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie wrote: >> Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out >> withthen reveal the actual bicycle. But the gag bike has to work >> and you must ride it. Maybe a clown bike or something like that would >> be fun. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Great idea. The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie wrote: > Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out > withthen reveal the actual bicycle. But the gag bike has to work > and you must ride it. Maybe a clown bike or something like that would > be fun. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
My goodness, I finally figured it out. I can't believe it took me this long! Voila! It's a scooter bike. On Jun 21, 8:09 pm, robert zeidler wrote: > I may be too late, but just in case, I filled out the form anyway. > > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, William wrote: > > If you look on ebay for HammerSchmidt cranksets there are silver ones > > as well...at least the arms. Sounds plausible. > > > On Jun 20, 8:50 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > >> Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... > > >> On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > >> > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you > >> > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the > >> > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look > >> > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the > >> > photo? > > >> > dougP > > >> > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > wrote: > > >> > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > >> > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > >> > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > >> > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > >> > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > >> > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > >> > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > >> > > Peace, > >> > > BB > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > >> > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > >> > > > just > >> > > > the hub?" > > >> > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > >> > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > >> > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > >> > > > was > >> > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > >> > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > >> > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > >> > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > >> > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > >> > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > >> > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > >> > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > >> > > > best of all for this concept. > > >> > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > >> > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, > >> > > > > > very > >> > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > >> > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > >> > > > > > shifter in > >> > > > > > a split second." > > >> > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > >> > > > > > shifter. > > >> > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > >> > > > > just > >> > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled > >> > > > > at > >> > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > >> > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > >> > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
I may be too late, but just in case, I filled out the form anyway. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, William wrote: > If you look on ebay for HammerSchmidt cranksets there are silver ones > as well...at least the arms. Sounds plausible. > > On Jun 20, 8:50 pm, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: >> Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... >> >> On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you >> > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the >> > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look >> > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the >> > photo? >> >> > dougP >> >> > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB >> > wrote: >> >> > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for >> > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed >> > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in >> > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front >> > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND >> > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. >> >> > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent >> >> > > Peace, >> > > BB >> >> > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: >> >> > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just >> > > > the hub?" >> >> > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be >> > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon >> > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was >> > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. >> >> > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal >> > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup >> > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single >> > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for >> > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the >> > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of >> > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter >> > > > best of all for this concept. >> >> > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: >> >> > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the >> > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, >> > > > > > very >> > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra >> > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist >> > > > > > shifter in >> > > > > > a split second." >> >> > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist >> > > > > > shifter. >> >> > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just >> > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for >> > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at >> > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) >> > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) >> >> > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
+1 to Riv Rally NYC, keep me posted (CT)! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UB0Y5VXCQycJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
That's why you need to master the triple loop fold for timing belts (and wire bead tires). If only somebody would do a 12-second youtube movie showing how to do a twistless triple loop. They should probably wear a railroad shirt while doing it http://www.youtube.com/user/RivBikeWorks#p/u/16/INIG3NRTbEE On Jun 22, 5:55 am, "Bill M." wrote: > Modern, high-strength timing belts don't like to be bent backwards or > crimped tightly. Forcing them to do so can cause them to de- > laminate. > > Bill > > On Jun 21, 9:03 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure either but I read some info on these Gates belts and > > supposedly you can't just fold em up in you saddlebag for a spare as > > it damages them somehow. I've seen plenty of timing belts crap out on > > autos and I know they are tough I just don't like the idea as a > > replacement for a bicycle chain. Clean & quiet they are but I want to > > see how they perform over a longer time period for bicycles. > > > On Jun 21, 6:21 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to > > > failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has > > > never failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > > > > > > > > >From: charlie > > > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM > > > >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > > > > >Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not > > > >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due > > > >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link > > > >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. > > > >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so > > > >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > > >> Jamison: > > > > >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > > > >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > > > >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > > > >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > > > >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > > > >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > > > >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > > > >> dougP > > > > >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > > > >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > > > >> > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > > > >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their > > > >> > > money > > > >> > > down. > > > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > > >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", > > > >> > > > maybe a > > > >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be > > > >> > > > widely > > > >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs > > > >> > > > are. But it > > > >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems > > > >> > > > > to be > > > >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > > >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Read more about it here... > > > > >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > >> > > > > > Could
[RBW] Re: HS
Modern, high-strength timing belts don't like to be bent backwards or crimped tightly. Forcing them to do so can cause them to de- laminate. Bill On Jun 21, 9:03 pm, charlie wrote: > I'm not sure either but I read some info on these Gates belts and > supposedly you can't just fold em up in you saddlebag for a spare as > it damages them somehow. I've seen plenty of timing belts crap out on > autos and I know they are tough I just don't like the idea as a > replacement for a bicycle chain. Clean & quiet they are but I want to > see how they perform over a longer time period for bicycles. > > On Jun 21, 6:21 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > > > > > Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to > > failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has never > > failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > > > > > > >From: charlie > > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM > > >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > > > >Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not > > >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due > > >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link > > >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. > > >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so > > >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > >> Jamison: > > > >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > > >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > > >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > > >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > > >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > > >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > > >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > > >> dougP > > > >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau > > >> wrote: > > > >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > > >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > > >> > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > > >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > > >> > > down. > > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", > > >> > > > maybe a > > >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be > > >> > > > widely > > >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs > > >> > > > are. But it > > >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems > > >> > > > > to be > > >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > Read more about it here... > > > >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > >> > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > >> > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks > > >> > > > > > > Esteban for > > >> > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a > > >> > > > > > > 2-speed > > >> > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a > > >> > > > > > > built-in > > >> >
[RBW] Re: HS
Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out withthen reveal the actual bicycle. But the gag bike has to work and you must ride it. Maybe a clown bike or something like that would be fun. On Jun 21, 10:48 pm, grant wrote: > but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. (Doug P.) > > now I gotta think of surprises? Oh man.pressure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. (Doug P.) now I gotta think of surprises? Oh man.pressure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I'm not sure either but I read some info on these Gates belts and supposedly you can't just fold em up in you saddlebag for a spare as it damages them somehow. I've seen plenty of timing belts crap out on autos and I know they are tough I just don't like the idea as a replacement for a bicycle chain. Clean & quiet they are but I want to see how they perform over a longer time period for bicycles. On Jun 21, 6:21 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to > failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has never > failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > > > > > > > > > > >From: charlie > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM > >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > > >Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not > >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due > >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link > >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. > >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so > >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > >> Jamison: > > >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > >> dougP > > >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau > >> wrote: > > >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > >> > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > >> > > down. > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", > >> > > > maybe a > >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs > >> > > > are. But it > >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > Read more about it here... > > >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > >> > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > >> > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban > >> > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a > >> > > > > > > 2-speed > >> > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a > >> > > > > > > built-in > >> > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > >> > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out > >> > > > > > > front AND > >> > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > >> > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > >> > > > > > > Peace, > >> > > > > > > BB > > >> > > > > >
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Oh, if only I didn't have 2 kids to put through college over the next 5 years... I'd say it's a sound investment... and it will likely be a total hoot to ride... whatever "it" ends up being... Jamison, I'm gonna hafta come see yours in Red Hook... Perhaps we need a winter Riv Rally NYC... meet in Prospect Park, then ride over the Brooklyn Bridge and circumscribe Manhattan... Peace, BB On Jun 21, 9:21 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to > failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has never > failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > > > > > > >From: charlie > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM > >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > > >Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not > >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due > >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link > >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. > >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so > >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > >> Jamison: > > >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > >> dougP > > >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau > >> wrote: > > >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > >> > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > >> > > down. > > >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", > >> > > > maybe a > >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs > >> > > > are. But it > >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > Read more about it here... > > >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > >> > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > >> > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban > >> > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a > >> > > > > > > 2-speed > >> > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a > >> > > > > > > built-in > >> > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > >> > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out > >> > > > > > > front AND > >> > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > >> > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > >> > > > > > > Peace, > >> > > > > > > BB > > >> > > > > > > On Jun
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Interesting. I wonder why the Kevlar drive would be so much more prone to failure than the Kevlar drive belt on my 1400cc motorcycle, which has never failed or had a problem? Different Kevlar? > >From: charlie >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:54 PM >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > >Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not >handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due >to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link >chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. >The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so >much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. > > >On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: >> Jamison: >> >> Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. >> Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and >> NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could >> have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is >> intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. >> I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt >> drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. >> >> dougP >> >> On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. >> >> > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: >> >> > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm >> > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money >> > > down. >> >> > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > Retro-direct, anyone? >> >> > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", maybe >> > > > a >> > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely >> > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. >> > > > But it >> > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. >> >> > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be >> > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. >> >> > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > Read more about it here... >> >> > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 >> >> > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... >> >> > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB >> > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban for >> > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a >> > > > > > > 2-speed >> > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a >> > > > > > > built-in >> > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front >> > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out >> > > > > > > front AND >> > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. >> >> > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent >> >> > > > > > > Peace, >> > > > > > > BB >> >> > > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed >> > > > > > > > or >> > > > > just >> > > > > > > > the hub?" >> >> > > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be >> > > > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly >> > > > > > > > Sheldon >> > > > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could >> > > > > > > > do, it >> > > >
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Well.I hear those belts are finicky and can be damaged if not handled properly. Carrying a spare is not such an easy task either due to how you have to maintain the shape or whatever, besides the link chain revolutionized the world and I can fix it myself. The idea of disc brakes appeals to me though since it rains here so much your rims get ground to nothing in no time. On Jun 21, 2:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > Jamison: > > Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. > Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and > NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could > have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is > intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. > I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt > drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. > > dougP > > On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > > > down. > > > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > > > wrote: > > > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", maybe a > > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. > > > > But it > > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie > > > > wrote: > > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be > > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Read more about it here... > > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban for > > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a > > > > > > > built-in > > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out > > > > > > > front AND > > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed > > > > > > > > or > > > > > just > > > > > > > > the hub?" > > > > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly > > > > > > > > Sheldon > > > > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about > > > > > > > > equal > > > > > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter > > > > > > > > setup > > > > > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > zipties for > > > > > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking > > > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube > > > > > > > > shifter > > > > > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter > > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be > > > > > > > > > > very, > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > > > > > shifter in > > > > > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its > > > > > > > > > > twist > > > > > shifter. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering
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Jamison: Good for you to be in a position & have the faith to sign up. Hopefully the first run will get scattered all over the country and NOT concentrated around San Francisco Bay. Then the rest of us could have a hope of seeing one in person. All this speculation is intriguing but I predict Grant's got a few surprises in store for us. I gotta admit the dual range crank coupled with an IGH, using a belt drive, has a lot of merit, at least in concept. dougP On Jun 21, 8:31 am, jamison brosseau wrote: > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > > > > > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > > down. > > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > > wrote: > > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", maybe a > > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But > > > it > > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie wrote: > > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be > > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > > wrote: > > > > > Read more about it here... > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban for > > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front > > > > > > AND > > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > > > just > > > > > > > the hub?" > > > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > > > > was > > > > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter > > > > > > > setup > > > > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking > > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be > > > > > > > > > very, > > > > very > > > > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > > > > shifter in > > > > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > > > > shifter. > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > > > just > > > > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or > > > > > > > > similar > > > > for > > > > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all > > > > > > > > handled > > > > at > > > > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy > > > > > > > > enough) > > > > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > > > > > -Ken > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > >
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Jim has acknowledged a glitch in the load from Google group site. I am having the same problem as you, only I use Firefox instead of Safari. > >From: MichaelH >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:09 AM >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > >At 66 with four bikes plus the tandem I don't have many bike purchases >left in me, but hub shift suggests IGH to me, which brings up my ideal >winter bike: > >Rolhoff rear hub; gates carbon belt; Schmidt front hub; Ti frame; room >for 42 mm studded tires and full fenders. I don't see this bike >coming from a desert in California! > >Dang i wish this site didn't take so long to load... what gives? I >can load the cached version or the /discussion version... but the >basic .groups/rbw-owners-bunch takes almost 2 minutes on a decent >cable connection with Safari & lots of spare memory. > >Gotta go out for a ride on my new White pedals.. > >michael > >On Jun 19, 5:47 pm, James Warren wrote: >> HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that you >> can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you >> can't clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I >> realized that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard >> to have something that would take up the slack required when switching >> between multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues >> given. >> >> I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because >> I have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could >> still use it with multiple gears up front. >> >> -Jim W. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
At 66 with four bikes plus the tandem I don't have many bike purchases left in me, but hub shift suggests IGH to me, which brings up my ideal winter bike: Rolhoff rear hub; gates carbon belt; Schmidt front hub; Ti frame; room for 42 mm studded tires and full fenders. I don't see this bike coming from a desert in California! Dang i wish this site didn't take so long to load... what gives? I can load the cached version or the /discussion version... but the basic .groups/rbw-owners-bunch takes almost 2 minutes on a decent cable connection with Safari & lots of spare memory. Gotta go out for a ride on my new White pedals.. michael On Jun 19, 5:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that you > can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you can't > clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I realized > that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard to have > something that would take up the slack required when switching between > multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues given. > > I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because I > have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could > still use it with multiple gears up front. > > -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Awesome On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:31 AM, jamison brosseau < [email protected]> wrote: > I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I think HS will stand for Harry Salisbury, or maybe Hank Snow. Something along those lines. It will be a bike for riding in the city, doing errands and picking things up. Racks for carrying items. Single front chainring with a chainguard of some sort. Large tires, expanded frame; because it is coming in only three sizes. Based on the “underpaint elegance” remark it will probably incorporate some kind of diagonal tube or reinforcing, something unusual in the frame shape. When do we find out if we guessed right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
If you look on ebay for HammerSchmidt cranksets there are silver ones as well...at least the arms. Sounds plausible. On Jun 20, 8:50 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... > > On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you > > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the > > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look > > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the > > photo? > > > dougP > > > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > Peace, > > > BB > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > > the hub?" > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter > > > > > > in > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > > > > > > shifter. > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I signed up. I know nothing though. It will b a good bike. On Jun 20, 10:58 pm, William wrote: > and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm > waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money > down. > > On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" > wrote: > > > > > Retro-direct, anyone? > > > My guess is that he means it when theHSwill be a more "elegant", maybe a > > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But it > > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie wrote: > > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be > > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > wrote: > > > > Read more about it here... > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution toHS (And thanks Esteban for > > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > BB > > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > > just > > > > > > the hub?" > > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > > > was > > > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties > > > > > > for > > > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for > > > > > > the > > > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out > > > > > > of > > > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, > > > very > > > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > > > shifter in > > > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > > > shifter. > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > > just > > > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar > > > for > > > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled > > > at > > > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy > > > > > > > enough) > > > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > > > > -Ken > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > Bill Gibson > > Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
nupe...the HS won't be no "gramps gets Botox & goes disco" bike On Jun 19, 6:44 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Oh, please don't let Rivendell get too weird. What's next, lugged > pennyfars? (Personally, though, I'd prefer a pennyfar to a Pedersen. > Speaking of weird ... glass houses ...mmbl mmbl ...) > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Marty wrote: > > HS = Pederson-type = Hammock Saddle? > > > On Jun 18, 5:42 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > >> That would explain why the buyer doesn't get a saddle choice. > > >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb wrote: > >> > I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike > >> > everyone's been wildly speculating about. > > >> -- > >> -- Anne Paulson > > >> My hovercraft is full of eels > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > [email protected] > > A billion stars go spinning through the night > Blazing high above your head; > But in you is the Presence that will be > When all the stars are dead. > (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Hopefully they'll be first sent to Nitto for "resurfacing"... On Jun 20, 11:48 pm, doug peterson wrote: > It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you > get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the > overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look > like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the > photo? > > dougP > > On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > Peace, > > BB > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > the hub?" > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
It's plausible. 22 or 24T chainring with 1:1 or 1.6:1 ratio. So you get a granny in 1:1 and the equivalent of a 35 or 38T ring in the overdrive. But IMHO the grey or black or whatever doesn't really look like it belongs on a Riv. Maybe it looks better in person than in the photo? dougP On Jun 20, 5:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > Peace, > BB > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > the hub?" > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > best of all for this concept. > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > > > a split second." > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > -Ken- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
and now SEVEN of them are sold. I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm waiting for a lister to speak up and say that they've put their money down. On Jun 20, 7:09 pm, "Bill Gibson (III)" wrote: > Retro-direct, anyone? > > My guess is that he means it when the HS will be a more "elegant", maybe a > more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely > adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But it > won't be a single-purpose bike at all. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie wrote: > > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be > > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > > > Read more about it here... > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > > wrote: > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > > Peace, > > > > BB > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > just > > > > > the hub?" > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > > was > > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > > wrote: > > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, > > very > > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > > shifter in > > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > > shifter. > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > > just > > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar > > for > > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled > > at > > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > > > -Ken > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Bill Gibson > Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Retro-direct, anyone? My guess is that he means it when the HS will be a more "elegant", maybe a more "integrated" design. It may be less of a bike meant to be widely adaptable to different configurations, as many Rivendell designs are. But it won't be a single-purpose bike at all. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM, charlie wrote: > Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be > where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. > > On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: > > Read more about it here... > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > > > Peace, > > > BB > > > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > just > > > > the hub?" > > > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it > was > > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger > wrote: > > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, > very > > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist > shifter in > > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist > shifter. > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or > just > > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar > for > > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled > at > > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > > > -Ken > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Yea that looks pretty cooloff road looking which seems to be where the Riv folks ride quite a bit. On Jun 20, 5:29 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Read more about it here... > > http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 > > Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... > > On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: > > > > > > > > > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > > Peace, > > BB > > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > the hub?" > > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > > best of all for this concept. > > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > > > > a split second." > > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > > -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Read more about it here... http://tinyurl.com/3g7eyk4 Could this be it??? If so, that's some pretty funky stuff... On Jun 20, 8:22 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for > giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed > crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in > transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front > derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND > rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. > > OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent > > Peace, > BB > > On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > > > > > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > the hub?" > > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > > best of all for this concept. > > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > > > a split second." > > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > > -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
OK folks... HERE is the solution to HS (And thanks Esteban for giving me a clue)... It stands for Hammerschmidt... it's a 2-speed crankset developed by SRAM (similar to the Schlumpf) with a built-in transmission (in the crank). It obviates the need for a front derailleur. The question is whether this will be an all-out front AND rear internal transmission bike... I say yes, it will. OK, everyone can watch reality TV once again, I'm spent Peace, BB On Jun 20, 7:47 pm, Roger wrote: > "I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > the hub?" > > The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be > centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon > Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was > beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. > > Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal > with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup > as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single > speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for > the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the > constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of > gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter > best of all for this concept. > > On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > > a split second." > > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > > -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
"I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just the hub?" The SA 8-speed hub isn't indexed, but it definitely wants to be centered into each gear without much feedback. Supposedly Sheldon Brown could do it, but like 99% of the things Sheldon could do, it was beyond my skills. I miss Sheldon. Part of the allure of the thumbshifter (which would be about equal with a barend shifter) was that I used the wheel/cable/shifter setup as a self-contained module that I could have on or off of my single speed bike in a couple of minutes with nothing but 2 or 3 zipties for the cable and tightening the shifter clamp on the bar. Except for the constant "is it in or out of gear" fiddliness and ker-chunking out of gear under load it was great. I'd like a clamp-on downtube shifter best of all for this concept. On Jun 20, 2:53 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > > a split second." > > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. > > I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just > the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for > the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at > the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) > and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) > > -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
It can work. I've seen pictures on MTBR some where. If I find it, I'll post a link. On Jun 20, 4:04 pm, Leslie wrote: > On Jun 20, 5:10 pm, Roger wrote: > > > Does anyone prefer twist shifters? > > Well my Nishiki MTB has GripShifts, and I've always liked > them... I've been considering a (potentially wacky) idea to try to > mount some grips on the lower part of some offroad-drop bars. > still under 'hypothetical' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
On Jun 20, 5:10 pm, Roger wrote: > Does anyone prefer twist shifters? Well my Nishiki MTB has GripShifts, and I've always liked them... I've been considering a (potentially wacky) idea to try to mount some grips on the lower part of some offroad-drop bars. still under 'hypothetical' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Roger wrote: > " It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > a split second." > > I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. I'm not familiar with the SA 8-speed. Is the shifter indexed or just the hub? The silly thing about not offering a bar-end or similar for the Rohloff is that the shifter has no indexing - it's all handled at the hub - so the only issues are the dual cable setup (easy enough) and pulling enough cable (more work but doable.) -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
" It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in a split second." I feel the same way about the SA 8-speed I have and its twist shifter. I tried using a friction thumbshifter with it but had too many bad shifts. I see that J-Tek has taken it upon themselves to do what SA should have. Maybe I'll spring for the $125 barend shifter some time and put the SA back into service. Does anyone prefer twist shifters? On Jun 20, 1:19 pm, Kenneth Stagg wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, cm wrote: > > I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff. > > What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And > > that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would > > there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the > > bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be > > 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter). > > It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the > Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very > happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra > throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in > a split second. > > -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Chaincase. I would still put on two rings and shift with a big stick! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
O yeah, that would be nice. I would love a 29er version of the Mtn. Mixte: http://www.cyclofiend.com/mages/rbw/pdf/original_brown_mixte.pdf On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Charlie wrote: > > > A Hunqapillar mixte - just wishful thinking... > > Charlie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 12:18 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote: > If I ponied up $4300 for a Rivendell and got a Pedersen type bike, I'd > be furious. Not a chance, I'd say. Pedersens have to be fitted to the individual, no way you're going to get a decent range of sizes with 3 frames. What's more, you can buy a Pedersen replica right now. Jan tested one in BQ last fall. Where's the uniqueness in that? Might as well do a rip-off of an F-frame Moulton. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, cm wrote: > I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff. > What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And > that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would > there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the > bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be > 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter). It would be very cool if they also made a real shifter for the Rohloff. I'm not in the market for a new bike but I'd be very, very happy to get a bar end shifter that was setup to handle the extra throw required by the Rohloff! I'd ditch that damned twist shifter in a split second. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I think an IGH bike makes the most sense and possibly even a Rohloff. What other IGH would you want to ride off road and take touring? And that would put a lot of restrictions on the bike. What else would there be left to choose? Brakes would be determined by whether the bike was set up for cant-, center, or v. Handlebars would need to be 25.4 (unless I am not aware of a road bar Rohloff shifter). That would also determine brake levers. So you are left with choosing the crank (maybe) and front wheel (unless he is planning dynamo)? Of course the handle thing is possible-- but that isnt anything really different, just another piece of metal (more triangles!). If I had a spare $4300 I'd be all in! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
A Hunqapillar mixte - just wishful thinking... Charlie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
If I ponied up $4300 for a Rivendell and got a Pedersen type bike, I'd be furious. Too weird, I wouldn't want it, and there's no way I'd recover anything close to my money if I tried to sell it. And I suspect I wouldn't be alone in that opinion. That's why I'm still thinking a hub-shift townie bike. By the way, speaking of townie bikes, has anyone else seen the Civia Loring? I was getting groceries one day and a Loring was parked next to my bike. OMG that bike is gorgeous. I spent like ten minutes just admiring it. -- Anne On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb wrote: > I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike > everyone's been wildly speculating about. > > On Jun 17, 4:55 pm, Pondero wrote: >> Let the speculation begin... >> >> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
I don't think I'd go so far as whacky, but I must admit that a handle would be completely unnecessary. I've toted many bikes around for many years without a handle, and it's worked fine so far. > >From: Ginz >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:21 AM >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > >To me, brazing a handle to the seat tube is in the "whack-job" >category. A triangular frame bag is a possibility. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
To me, brazing a handle to the seat tube is in the "whack-job" category. A triangular frame bag is a possibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
What a fun game! Here's my guess... This is the prototype for the commuter/city bike Grant mentioned a while ago. But, I think, Riv wants to have a sample size greater than 1 to assess the various ideas on the bike, so the idea of a "limited edition" of higher-end prototypes is a pretty good one. I'm also guessing that this is a test of concepts, not fabrication efficiency or build quality, like you would ask for from a factory. By hand-building all the frames locally, Grant can observe, fiddle, and tweak as necessary. Oh, and the R&D gets paid for by the customers, which is probably a big deal if things are as lean as they sound at Riv HQ. I agree with others that the front derailer issue probably stems from the inclusion of the bottom bracket hand grip that we saw mocked up in bar tape a couple of months ago. Doesn't mean there couldn't be a work-around, but declaring "no FD" heads off any potential whining... As for the "mystery option" - brake type is a pretty good guess - Riv is probably interested to see how many takers there are for canti or sidepull. I'd LOVE to see them offer center-pull braze-ons, but I doubt it. The other option could be dropouts - horizontal or vertical. No clue what the "HS" stands for! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UQzDsThMyc0J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 19:57 -0700, Bill M. wrote: > > FD is not an option = seat tube angle is too shallow for normal FD's > to work without the cage hitting the chainstay, so no provision will > be made for one. > If you can solve the common problem of front derailleur angle on small wheelers with a braze-on bracket that incorporates the necessary back-angle, why couldn't you use a braze-on derailleur bracket with the opposite angle, tipping the derailleur forward a bit, to correct for a too-shallow seat angle? Or if not a braze-on bracket, how about a stub front derailleur mounting tube set at the correct angle, as found on RANS crank-forward bikes like this: http://www.ransbikes.com/Fusion-N.htm ? The Fusion-N looks like its seat angle is down around 45 degrees or less, and it has a front derailleur. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
- Vince here calls it "Hyper-Speed" - I love it..it reminds of those '80s Bstones that said "for the super competitor"- or something like that - on the frame. I think Grant should keep the name: "HS" in big letters, underlined with "Hyper- Speed for a Head Start". Joe "marketing genius" Bernard Fairfield, CA On Jun 19, 3:08 pm, Esteban wrote: > Not that people can change, but there's a few things in the discussion > that are not up Grant's alley, at least up to this point: So, this is > me channeling GP: > > 1. Belt drive - "why when a chain works perfectly well and is easy to > fix?" > 2. IGH: "overly complicated - Xx9 works fine - Xx7 is great" > 3. Low trail: "my bikes don't do that." > > I'm really confounded - especially the idea of no option of a front > der. I saw this in Paris, and I'm happy to report that it looks like > it has a front der, so this is not the HS > prototype:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5843048796/in/photostream > > This being said, my first inclination was to think that the ideal city > bike of my weeks in Paris is coming true - a 1x9 dedicated commuter > and city bike. So, how would a front der. be impossible - if there's > no cable stop? Some kind of weird U-frame shape like a Velib - that > seems also impossible considering GP's attraction to triangles. > > Maybe it is the RAAM bike in the photo! > > Esteban > 13 Arr., Paris France (for one more week) > > On Jun 19, 11:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > > > > > HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that > > you can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you > > can't clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I > > realized that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard > > to have something that would take up the slack required when switching > > between multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the > > clues given. > > > I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because > > I have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could > > still use it with multiple gears up front. > > > -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
OK, my take on the HS: Not a Pedersen, because "It's not a wack-job bike, out of character with the others". Besides, someone already makes them. Single chainring + multi-speed = IGH. I would expect to see the the Alfine 11 with a J-tek bar end shifter, the Rohloff would seem a bit pricey for this project. Dynamo front hub. FD is not an option = seat tube angle is too shallow for normal FD's to work without the cage hitting the chainstay, so no provision will be made for one. The major choice would be brake style, cantilever or brazed-on centerpull. Bill On Jun 17, 4:55 pm, Pondero wrote: > Let the speculation begin... > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Guys listen, you don't even need a front derailleur to shift on the front end. Just dismount and move the chain with your hands. Slow yes but certainly way faster than changing ratios on the Simple One/ Quickbeam. I wouldn't get all hung up on that anyway. I rode today with just a 51 and 66 inch gear on hills that I normally find my self pedaling up in a 27 inch or lower gear. For most urban riding or even open road stuff something from about 30 to 80 inches is plenty. If you had no front derailleur and had a real gut busting steep climb ahead simply jumping off and manually shifting to a smaller front ring would just give you time to eat or drink a little before embarking. Heck a 1x5 would be good enough. On Jun 19, 6:08 pm, EricP wrote: > It might if the tube for the hand grip is right where a front derailer > might go. That would be somethin'. Then an aftermarket braze-on > would be required. > > However, believe a 1x9 (or 8 or less) would be good. Finding that a > 39 with a 12-36 gives a pretty impressive range on my Cross Check. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jun 19, 6:36 pm, James Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > > True. I'm guessing that nothing is impossible, and the statement "you can't > > use a front derailleur on this bike" probably means that the design of the > > bike precludes the use of a front derailleur, but someone who has a will > > would find a way, and in this case, that way would be to get a bolt-on > > hanger. > > > On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:20 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > > >> Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I > > >> use a front shifter on my QB. > > > >> Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. > > > > There used to be plenty of bolt-on derailleur hangers on Bike Boom > > > bikes. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
It might if the tube for the hand grip is right where a front derailer might go. That would be somethin'. Then an aftermarket braze-on would be required. However, believe a 1x9 (or 8 or less) would be good. Finding that a 39 with a 12-36 gives a pretty impressive range on my Cross Check. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 19, 6:36 pm, James Warren wrote: > True. I'm guessing that nothing is impossible, and the statement "you can't > use a front derailleur on this bike" probably means that the design of the > bike precludes the use of a front derailleur, but someone who has a will > would find a way, and in this case, that way would be to get a bolt-on hanger. > > On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:20 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > >> Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I > >> use a front shifter on my QB. > > >> Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. > > > There used to be plenty of bolt-on derailleur hangers on Bike Boom > > bikes. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS - Only Four Left!
Seems like the mystery is too much to bear for at least five gamblers out there. See the post update. This is gettin' good! On Jun 19, 6:36 pm, James Warren wrote: > True. I'm guessing that nothing is impossible, and the statement "you can't > use a front derailleur on this bike" probably means that the design of the > bike precludes the use of a front derailleur, but someone who has a will > would find a way, and in this case, that way would be to get a bolt-on hanger. > > On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:20 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > >> Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I > >> use a front shifter on my QB. > > >> Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. > > > There used to be plenty of bolt-on derailleur hangers on Bike Boom > > bikes. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
True. I'm guessing that nothing is impossible, and the statement "you can't use a front derailleur on this bike" probably means that the design of the bike precludes the use of a front derailleur, but someone who has a will would find a way, and in this case, that way would be to get a bolt-on hanger. On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:20 -0700, James Warren wrote: >> >> Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I >> use a front shifter on my QB. >> >> Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. >> > > > There used to be plenty of bolt-on derailleur hangers on Bike Boom > bikes. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 16:20 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I > use a front shifter on my QB. > > Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. > There used to be plenty of bolt-on derailleur hangers on Bike Boom bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Lack of cable stop wouldn't make it impossible. Clamps available. I use a front shifter on my QB. Lack of rear derailleur hanger is the only thing I can think of. On Jun 19, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Esteban wrote: > So, how would a front der. be impossible - if there's > no cable stop? Some kind of weird U-frame shape like a Velib - that > seems also impossible considering GP's attraction to triangles. > > Maybe it is the RAAM bike in the photo! > > Esteban > 13 Arr., Paris France (for one more week) > > On Jun 19, 11:47 pm, James Warren wrote: >> HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that you >> can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you >> can't clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I >> realized that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard >> to have something that would take up the slack required when switching >> between multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues >> given. >> >> I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because >> I have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could >> still use it with multiple gears up front. >> >> -Jim W. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Not that people can change, but there's a few things in the discussion that are not up Grant's alley, at least up to this point: So, this is me channeling GP: 1. Belt drive - "why when a chain works perfectly well and is easy to fix?" 2. IGH: "overly complicated - Xx9 works fine - Xx7 is great" 3. Low trail: "my bikes don't do that." I'm really confounded - especially the idea of no option of a front der. I saw this in Paris, and I'm happy to report that it looks like it has a front der, so this is not the HS prototype: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5843048796/in/photostream This being said, my first inclination was to think that the ideal city bike of my weeks in Paris is coming true - a 1x9 dedicated commuter and city bike. So, how would a front der. be impossible - if there's no cable stop? Some kind of weird U-frame shape like a Velib - that seems also impossible considering GP's attraction to triangles. Maybe it is the RAAM bike in the photo! Esteban 13 Arr., Paris France (for one more week) On Jun 19, 11:47 pm, James Warren wrote: > HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that you > can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you can't > clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I realized > that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard to have > something that would take up the slack required when switching between > multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues given. > > I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because I > have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could > still use it with multiple gears up front. > > -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
HS must stand for "hub shift". The big clue for me is the statement that you can't use more than one chainring on it. At first I thought, "what, you can't clamp on a front derailleur?" But once "hub shift" was suggested, I realized that a hub shift with no rear derailleur hanger would make it hard to have something that would take up the slack required when switching between multiple chainrings. So hub shift with no rear hanger fits the clues given. I like having a 135-rear-spacing bike that has a derailleur hanger, because I have the option of doing one of the new internally geared hubs and could still use it with multiple gears up front. -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Well now that I've read the Riv page..I think HS stands for 'handy shopper' but actually I think the mystery bike will be some sort of daily 'transpo' bike capable of hauling stuff and will be built semi rugged with braze ons for practical stuff . I think it could still have a derailleur gear system but only one chain ring with a useful set of ratios. Keep in mind that this is a test for a frame that can be mass produced later which is why I think it will be fairly conventional but with different frame angles etc. that will make it fit a larger range of people without making too many sizes. The words elegant were used so I think more of a city, all rounder, roadster like machine is in the works. On Jun 19, 1:29 pm, charlie wrote: > I'm thinking HS could stand for holy smokes, high speed, hauling > stuff, hardly simple or a myriad of other things but the 'G man' gave > us some tips and I think he is leaning toward a hub geared, town > style, integral racked, lighted, upright bar with perhaps an option to > split the frame for transport although I think it could also be some > sort of lugged 'extendo' bike for hauling groceries like the big dummy > or even a small wheeled lugged folder which would be really cool. Now > that someone else has mentioned it, a Pederson style bicycle could > have some appeal although its a little more obscure and less flexible, > fit wise, than the Rans style semi recumbent featured in one of the > past readers so Grant, you have us wondering.. > > On Jun 19, 12:55 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > > > > > > on 6/19/11 11:24 AM, grant at [email protected] wrote: > > > > Vince here calls it "Hyper-Speed" > > > So, presumably, you are also getting two paint jobs in one, as when it gets > > up to hyper-speed, there will be the expected color shift. > > > ;^) > > > -- > > Jim Edgar > > [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I'm thinking HS could stand for holy smokes, high speed, hauling stuff, hardly simple or a myriad of other things but the 'G man' gave us some tips and I think he is leaning toward a hub geared, town style, integral racked, lighted, upright bar with perhaps an option to split the frame for transport although I think it could also be some sort of lugged 'extendo' bike for hauling groceries like the big dummy or even a small wheeled lugged folder which would be really cool. Now that someone else has mentioned it, a Pederson style bicycle could have some appeal although its a little more obscure and less flexible, fit wise, than the Rans style semi recumbent featured in one of the past readers so Grant, you have us wondering.. On Jun 19, 12:55 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > on 6/19/11 11:24 AM, grant at [email protected] wrote: > > > Vince here calls it "Hyper-Speed" > > So, presumably, you are also getting two paint jobs in one, as when it gets > up to hyper-speed, there will be the expected color shift. > > ;^) > > -- > Jim Edgar > [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
on 6/19/11 11:24 AM, grant at [email protected] wrote: > Vince here calls it "Hyper-Speed" So, presumably, you are also getting two paint jobs in one, as when it gets up to hyper-speed, there will be the expected color shift. ;^) -- Jim Edgar [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Vince here calls it "Hyper-Speed" On Jun 17, 5:28 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > HS = Hub Shift?!? > > > > > > > > > > >From: Pondero > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 4:55 PM > >Subject: [RBW] HS > > >Let the speculation begin... > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >[email protected]. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
HS = hobbit size. A folding bike, perhaps? On Jun 17, 7:55 pm, Pondero wrote: > Let the speculation begin... > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Oh, please don't let Rivendell get too weird. What's next, lugged pennyfars? (Personally, though, I'd prefer a pennyfar to a Pedersen. Speaking of weird ... glass houses ...mmbl mmbl ...) On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Marty wrote: > HS = Pederson-type = Hammock Saddle? > > On Jun 18, 5:42 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: >> That would explain why the buyer doesn't get a saddle choice. >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb wrote: >> > I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike >> > everyone's been wildly speculating about. >> >> -- >> -- Anne Paulson >> >> My hovercraft is full of eels > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW [email protected] A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
HS = Pederson-type = Hammock Saddle? On Jun 18, 5:42 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > That would explain why the buyer doesn't get a saddle choice. > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb wrote: > > I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike > > everyone's been wildly speculating about. > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
That would explain why the buyer doesn't get a saddle choice. On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Way Rebb wrote: > I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike > everyone's been wildly speculating about. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I'm thinking it's the the Rohloff equipped lugged Pedersen type bike everyone's been wildly speculating about. On Jun 17, 4:55 pm, Pondero wrote: > Let the speculation begin... > > http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I wonder if it will utilize the lug that Grant gave me: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5626784096/ On Jun 18, 10:46 am, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Lee Chae wrote: > > > Yeah, a fun game! I'm thinking the same thing. I would guess an > > internal geared hub vs. rear derailleur'ed setup is one of the big > > choices you get to make. > > I don't see how you could get to make that choice with the price > remaining the same for both options. > > I say, internal gears for all, and, with Lee, I say an enclosed > chainguard. Integrated lighting system. Painted-to-match rear rack (or > maybe front rack, or maybe both). Painted-to-match fenders. This is > the bike they can sell to hipsters and to suburban women, the chic > cycling bike. Maybe a rear rack and a front wicker basket. > > Or at least, if this isn't the bike, I wish it were. It would be very Rivish. > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Lee Chae wrote: > > Yeah, a fun game! I'm thinking the same thing. I would guess an > internal geared hub vs. rear derailleur'ed setup is one of the big > choices you get to make. I don't see how you could get to make that choice with the price remaining the same for both options. I say, internal gears for all, and, with Lee, I say an enclosed chainguard. Integrated lighting system. Painted-to-match rear rack (or maybe front rack, or maybe both). Painted-to-match fenders. This is the bike they can sell to hipsters and to suburban women, the chic cycling bike. Maybe a rear rack and a front wicker basket. Or at least, if this isn't the bike, I wish it were. It would be very Rivish. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
On Jun 18, 8:34 am, Zack wrote: > Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS > excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single > speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed > internal hub townie bike? Yeah, a fun game! I'm thinking the same thing. I would guess an internal geared hub vs. rear derailleur'ed setup is one of the big choices you get to make. So, a 1-by-x local bike, which you can occasionally use on trails or for distance rides. Something that can carry some stuff for errands around town. Perhaps a 'merican descendant of the French porteur? Have a great weekend, all, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I've wanted more saddle setback on every bike I've ever owned, and I've read it's the front derailleur's expected operating range that makes bike designers shy away from seat tube angles shallower than 72 degrees. I had a single speed frame made by Mercian with a 71 degree seat tube angle and by the time I slam a B17 all the way back it gives my favorite position of any bike I've ridden. Still, being a heavy guy, I'd rather have the saddle rails centered on the clamp (not maxed to one end) so a slacker seat tube angle would be welcome for me. On Jun 18, 9:01 am, newenglandbike wrote: > I wonder what it is that will make it single-chainring only- will the > seat-tube angle/low BB prevent the use of a front derailleur? Or is > it that they will only ship with a single front ring(?) Or will it > have a fully enclosed chainguard? > > I like the theory that it will have an internal-geared hub. > > -Matt > > On Jun 18, 11:34 am, Zack wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS > > excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single > > speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed > > internal hub townie bike? > > > On Jun 18, 10:36 am, William wrote: > > > > I also hope it works out for Riv. It's a novel idea for raising > > > money. I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing > > > to take the leap of faith. I imagine that those that walk up with > > > their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while > > > leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun. > > > > What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying? Let's > > > see...a movie or play. Food. One of the best meals I ever had I was > > > out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I > > > couldn't really order. One of the cooks came out and said "I will > > > make a good meal for you". It was spectacular. Maybe this bike will > > > work out the same way for the fortunate nine. > > > > On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP wrote: > > > > > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does > > > > work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe > > > > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) > > > > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the > > > > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of > > > > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) > > > > > Eric Platt > > > > St. Paul, MN > > > > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > > > > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the > > > > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) > > > > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one > > > > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... > > > > > > I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: HS
Yeah. Maybe IGh with a Kevlar belt drive. I had a couple of motorcycles that used Kevlar belt drives. Bulletproof. > >From: newenglandbike >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:01 AM >Subject: [RBW] Re: HS > >I wonder what it is that will make it single-chainring only- will the >seat-tube angle/low BB prevent the use of a front derailleur? Or is >it that they will only ship with a single front ring(?) Or will it >have a fully enclosed chainguard? > >I like the theory that it will have an internal-geared hub. > > >-Matt > > >On Jun 18, 11:34 am, Zack wrote: >> Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS >> excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single >> speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed >> internal hub townie bike? >> >> On Jun 18, 10:36 am, William wrote: >> >> > I also hope it works out for Riv. It's a novel idea for raising >> > money. I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing >> > to take the leap of faith. I imagine that those that walk up with >> > their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while >> > leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun. >> >> > What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying? Let's >> > see...a movie or play. Food. One of the best meals I ever had I was >> > out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I >> > couldn't really order. One of the cooks came out and said "I will >> > make a good meal for you". It was spectacular. Maybe this bike will >> > work out the same way for the fortunate nine. >> >> > On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP wrote: >> >> > > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does >> > > work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe >> > > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) >> >> > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the >> > > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of >> > > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) >> >> > > Eric Platt >> > > St. Paul, MN >> >> > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: >> >> > > > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the >> > > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) >> >> > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one >> > > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... >> >> > > > I hope it's really successful for G > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I wonder what it is that will make it single-chainring only- will the seat-tube angle/low BB prevent the use of a front derailleur?Or is it that they will only ship with a single front ring(?) Or will it have a fully enclosed chainguard? I like the theory that it will have an internal-geared hub. -Matt On Jun 18, 11:34 am, Zack wrote: > Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS > excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single > speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed > internal hub townie bike? > > On Jun 18, 10:36 am, William wrote: > > > I also hope it works out for Riv. It's a novel idea for raising > > money. I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing > > to take the leap of faith. I imagine that those that walk up with > > their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while > > leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun. > > > What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying? Let's > > see...a movie or play. Food. One of the best meals I ever had I was > > out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I > > couldn't really order. One of the cooks came out and said "I will > > make a good meal for you". It was spectacular. Maybe this bike will > > work out the same way for the fortunate nine. > > > On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP wrote: > > > > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does > > > work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe > > > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) > > > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the > > > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of > > > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) > > > > Eric Platt > > > St. Paul, MN > > > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > > > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the > > > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) > > > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one > > > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... > > > > > I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Well, it definitely has a single chain ring (it says so in the HS excel form: "You know it's a single-chain ring bike? Not a single speed, single chainring."), so perhaps it is a 3, 7, or 8 speed internal hub townie bike? On Jun 18, 10:36 am, William wrote: > I also hope it works out for Riv. It's a novel idea for raising > money. I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing > to take the leap of faith. I imagine that those that walk up with > their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while > leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun. > > What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying? Let's > see...a movie or play. Food. One of the best meals I ever had I was > out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I > couldn't really order. One of the cooks came out and said "I will > make a good meal for you". It was spectacular. Maybe this bike will > work out the same way for the fortunate nine. > > On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP wrote: > > > > > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does > > work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe > > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) > > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the > > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of > > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) > > > Eric Platt > > St. Paul, MN > > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the > > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) > > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one > > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... > > > > I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I also hope it works out for Riv. It's a novel idea for raising money. I hope there are enough people who can afford it and willing to take the leap of faith. I imagine that those that walk up with their $2500 deposit will get some of their questions answered while leaving enough of the surprise for the end to make it fun. What things do I buy without having any idea what I'm buying? Let's see...a movie or play. Food. One of the best meals I ever had I was out of the country, and nobody in the restaurant spoke english and I couldn't really order. One of the cooks came out and said "I will make a good meal for you". It was spectacular. Maybe this bike will work out the same way for the fortunate nine. On Jun 17, 7:05 pm, EricP wrote: > Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does > work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe > not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) > > Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the > bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of > American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the > > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) > > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one > > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... > > > I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Definitely beyond what I'd be comfortable spending. But I hope it does work out and becomes a regular model. No matter what. (Well, maybe not a mountain unicycle or full suspension recumbent.) Was guessing "HS" meant "highly secret" as in, no telling what the bike is until it's in your hands. (Or Harry Smith, whose Anthology of American Folk Music was one of Bob Dylan's main influences.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 17, 8:58 pm, Leslie wrote: > I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the > 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) > > Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one > already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... > > I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
I think it sounds really interesting; I love the idea of the 'Nine' (for the Fellowship, eh?) (or, the Nazgul) Wish I could, but, a bit beyond what I need to be doing (I've got one already in the pipeline, am patiently waiting on)... I hope it's really successful for G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: HS
Holy... On Jun 17, 7:28 pm, Ray Shine wrote: > HS = Hub Shift?!? > > > > > > >From: Pondero > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 4:55 PM > >Subject: [RBW] HS > > >Let the speculation begin... > > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/365 > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >[email protected]. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
