[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-29 Thread charlie 
My project consists of finally ordering my .028" 5/16 chrome moly
tubing for my made to fit racks. I just couldn't stomach the idea of
all the adjustable bits on generic racks and have a couple of simple
designs in mind for my particular frame. I will powder coat the whole
business after getting my lighting up an running. I switched to a VO
#8 wide sprung saddle again but with drop bars mounted higher and slid
it more forward. It seems better now than how I had it a while back. I
rode with my regular jeans about ten miles with no sore behind. I do
plan on acquiring some of the gusseted American made jeans soon. I
just don't want to change my general attire to ride a bicycle to work
and look forward to riding this summer with my normal work clothing if
possible. My commute is about 50 miles round trip so I only plan on it
maybe two days a week or perhaps a partial commute will work too. I
had planned on a Simple One frame but am not sure if my funds will
permit it. Hence my next immediate goal is to sell my Campy equipped
lugged "race bike" to someone who will fit a 55cm. It's just too small
for me plus I have a really nice recumbent I am selling also. Can't
wait to start on my racks and another project of making exact shaped
brass "washers" to replace the plastic gizmos on my Silver shift
levers.

On Apr 15, 10:46 am, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-29 Thread William 
Replying back to the winter project thread.  One of mine was the
reorganization of my garage.  A big piece of that was a larger bike
storage solution.  Last weekend I tore out some useless shelving and
installed a huge suspended shelf.  All the camping gear goes on top
and 9 bikes hang underneath.  Photos of the construction and a crowded
shot of most of the family stable is on my flickr.  Still no really
good shots of the tandem, but it's there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626609195222/



On Apr 15, 10:46 am, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all thosewinterprojectsdone now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-18 Thread John Speare 
First rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-first-rack.html

And bag hack for the rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/rory-bag-hack.html

Kid bike:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/maddie%20xmass%20bike

Wife bike + rack:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/search/label/x0-1

Mountain bike:
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/03/lala-carte.html

I built a few sets of wheels -- one for a forthcoming mini velo, a set of
tubulars for cross, and a set for my wife. I put new
forkson
my cycle truck and built
a light mount
for
it.

Now I have bronchitis and I can barely ride.

Blech.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 6:09 AM, EricP  wrote:
> The Sam Hillborne conversion to V brakes was easy.  A bit more
> complicated was changing stem, which required a new bar (25.4
> diameter). So instead of Noodles, now has Nitto 115 bars on it.  Very
> different feel.  Also changed things up with a bit more colorful
> housing and bar tape.  Then added the SKS Longboards when they came
> out.
>
> So that project was good.  Then got sidetracked recently by another
> project.  One that said "hmm, there are enough parts filling the
> garage to make another bike.  If I had a frame/fork/headset."  Ended
> up with a Surly Cross Check built as a 1x9 with upright bars and
> fenders. Fenders are from the Sam Hillborne.  Still experimenting with
> different bars and stems.  Will eventually buy the adapters to
> experiment with single speed.
>
> Now the project is to ride and see if some weight loss can happen
> again.  Have a few fairly big riding committments this year and would
> like to be lighter to tackle them.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Apr 15, 7:23 pm, pruckelshaus  wrote:
>> Well, winter project 1, my second frame, a sloping top tubed lugged
>> 650b commuter/path bomber is getting picked up from the painters
>> tomorrow AM and should be built for a ride on Sunday, so that's nearly
>> done.  Looking forward to trying SRAM (Apex) for the first time.
>>
>> I have 20BF of red oak waiting to be turned into a hall table for my
>> wife, and a PegoRichie tubeset, slant six lugset, and bag of dropouts
>> and brazeons waiting to be turned into frame 3.  I'll be lucky if I
>> get these done by summer.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
>> > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
>> > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
>> > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
>> > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
>> > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>>
>> > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
>> > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
>> > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
>> > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
>> > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
>> > 25mm tires (and $$)
>> > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
>> > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
>> > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
>> > barcons (in progress)
>>
>> > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
>> > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
>> > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
>> > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
>> > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
>> > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
>> > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
>> > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
>> > awesome.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-18 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
Finally got the first of my two Dutch Gazelles rollin after building
the wheels early in the winter... This was more a renaissance project
(than a pure restoration).  These bikes were trade-ins at a nearby
LBS, and somehow found there way to my garage (after being passed
around to a few people who didn't have the time to work on these).  I
jumped at the opportunity, figuring I could make them more rideable by
adding gears.

I first looked at the wheels... They were beautiful Gazelle rims with
Sachs Torpedo hubs (coaster brake)... awesome, bomb-proof wheels. But
it was still a single speed coaster... I laced Sturmey Archer drum
hubs (3 speed in the rear, dynamo in the front) to Rigida Sputnik
rims.  I traded the stock grip shifter for a 3-speed SA thumbie.

The chaincase took some special trimming of the rear section, and
removal of the sprocket cover, revealing beautiful leaping
gazelles!!!  I also swapped bars to accommodate some full size grips
and large brake levers.

I really like the end result... It rides beautifully... Next, I plan
to do the same with the matching man's bike. - 
http://tinyurl.com/DutchGazelleSportLuxe

Peace,

BB

On Apr 17, 4:32 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 11:48 -0700, Minh wrote:
> > I'd be slow to damn all freewheels because of this. The ird ones have
> > a bad rep. And it's too bad it is still happening ihqve one and still
> > seeing these reports are making me nervous.
>
> No, there /used to be/ many absolutely wonderful freewheels.  Shimano
> Dura Ace.  Sun Tour New Winner.  They were fantastic.  But, alas, they
> are gone and we shall not see their like again.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-17 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 11:48 -0700, Minh wrote:
> I'd be slow to damn all freewheels because of this. The ird ones have
> a bad rep. And it's too bad it is still happening ihqve one and still
> seeing these reports are making me nervous.

No, there /used to be/ many absolutely wonderful freewheels.  Shimano
Dura Ace.  Sun Tour New Winner.  They were fantastic.  But, alas, they
are gone and we shall not see their like again.



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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-17 Thread Minh 

I'd be slow to damn all freewheels because of this. The ird ones have
a bad rep. And it's too bad it is still happening ihqve one and still
seeing these reports are making me nervous.


On Apr 16, 11:06 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 07:29 -0700, Mike wrote:
> > I picked up the rando frame yesterday and it's beautiful...
> > unfortunately I decided to use the new VO high flange hubs for the
> > wheels. The hubs are actually fine, what's not fine is the damned IRD
> > 6spd FW. Already the thing is giving me grief! It's not immediately
> > engaging always. At one point it was even freewheeling in both
> > directions. No good. And this doesn't instill confidence for me.
>
> I agree.  Certainly not something you would want on a dedicated
> randonneuring frame!  IMHO the case for freewheels is getting
> increasingly harder to make.  The best ones are all long gone.  Some
> excellent discussion of freewheels in a recent Velo Orange Blog 
> entry:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2011/04/freewheel-testing.html
>
> Tom's comment in that discussion is especially appropriate in this
> context:
>
> "Shimano hasn't made freewheels in Japan in almost 25 years. The current
> tourney 5 speed freewheels are made in china. The tourney 7sp are made
> in Singapore. Been that way since the 80s.
>
> "The average lifespan of a cheapo bike with a freewheel is around 122
> miles of usage. Shimano produces their freewheels and other low end
> components to last 10 times that distance. The low end tourney
> freewheels are not dura ace level by any stretch and should not be
> compared to such."
>
> After all, what is 1,220 miles in the life of a randonneuring frame?
> That's less than a month's service, most likely.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-17 Thread stevep33 
Winter projects are progressing...slowly, becoming spring projects

The bikes and misc parts got cleaned out in a major way sold/
ebay'd or donated.  Not the least of which were my lovely Rambouillet
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157623702627095/  and
my Trek 610 fixie beater 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/3922031207/in/set-72157622375998384
I'm down to about 2 3/4 bikes now (feels odd), a leaner parts bin and
a paypal account that is itching to be spent.

Most of my efforts are directed toward building up a new commuter/
allrounder.   My custom Banjo Cycles frame/fork/rack finally arrived
and it was well worth the wait.  It was conceived with an Alfine 11
internal gear hub, Hetres and a mini porteur rack in mind.  At first
glance it is a plain gray TIG frame, but workmanship is top notch and
there are many nice details that show a lot of thought on the part of
the builder.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157626209514850/
Parts should be coming the mail this week.  There is still a ton of
work to do with wiring the front and rear lights, installing fenders,
deciding on a crank/bb, and assembling the ordinary brake/handlebar
business.   I have the Jitensha flats bars on it but may switch to
noodles when JTEK comes out with an 11speed Alfine shifter.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread William 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626511175478/

The link before didn't seem to show up.  This is the new Trek project

On Apr 16, 12:12 pm, William  wrote:
> 6.  Trek:
>
> Here's the set of the bike as it came in and the stripped down
> frameset.
>
> On Apr 15, 10:17 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > BobbyB
>
> > 1.  tandem:  Fail
> > 2.  Davidson:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572
> > (although I've since gotten more of the Campy out.  I need to update)
> > 3.  Bombadil:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986
> > 4.  Hillborne:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5604248171
> > 5.  Gomez:  shellac is drying now
> > 6.  Trek:  forthcoming
>
> > On Apr 15, 5:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Quite a stable there, William... Pics... we want PICS!!!
>
> > > BB
>
> > > On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> > > > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> > > > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> > > > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> > > > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> > > > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> > > > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> > > > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> > > > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> > > > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> > > > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> > > > 25mm tires (and $$)
> > > > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> > > > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> > > > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> > > > barcons (in progress)
>
> > > > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> > > > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> > > > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> > > > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> > > > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> > > > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> > > > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> > > > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> > > > awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Philip Williamson 
Winter projects:

1. S3X wheelbuild for the Quickbeam - Riding it now. Mostly like it.
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/s3x-in-the-woods/

2. New bike for Angelina, and tweaked to match her old bike - mostly
done.
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/fine-bikes/half-pimped-trek-belleville/
Seat tweaked this morning, and white rubber block pedals added. Front
basket remains to install.

3. Replacement bike for the child who's outgrown his Redline Junior
but doesn't know it.
Rigid fork on the way: http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/new-kona-p2-fork/
 - still needs deraillers, cassette and cross tires.

4. More wheel building - planning stages.
S2 kickback and generator hub, perhaps.

5. Sachs Automatic 2-speed hub - spring replacement or adjustment.
Shelved. Literally, but the shelf is just in the garage.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Apr 15, 10:46 am, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
Sweet...every one of them...

On Apr 16, 1:17 am, William  wrote:
> BobbyB
>
> 1.  tandem:  Fail
> 2.  Davidson:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572
> (although I've since gotten more of the Campy out.  I need to update)
> 3.  Bombadil:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986
> 4.  Hillborne:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5604248171
> 5.  Gomez:  shellac is drying now
> 6.  Trek:  forthcoming
>
> On Apr 15, 5:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Quite a stable there, William... Pics... we want PICS!!!
>
> > BB
>
> > On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> > > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> > > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> > > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> > > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> > > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> > > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> > > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> > > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> > > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> > > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> > > 25mm tires (and $$)
> > > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> > > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> > > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> > > barcons (in progress)
>
> > > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> > > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> > > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> > > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> > > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> > > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> > > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> > > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> > > awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread William 
6.  Trek:

Here's the set of the bike as it came in and the stripped down
frameset.



On Apr 15, 10:17 pm, William  wrote:
> BobbyB
>
> 1.  tandem:  Fail
> 2.  Davidson:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572
> (although I've since gotten more of the Campy out.  I need to update)
> 3.  Bombadil:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986
> 4.  Hillborne:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5604248171
> 5.  Gomez:  shellac is drying now
> 6.  Trek:  forthcoming
>
> On Apr 15, 5:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> wrote:
>
> > Quite a stable there, William... Pics... we want PICS!!!
>
> > BB
>
> > On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> > > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> > > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> > > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> > > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> > > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> > > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> > > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> > > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> > > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> > > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> > > 25mm tires (and $$)
> > > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> > > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> > > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> > > barcons (in progress)
>
> > > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> > > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> > > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> > > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> > > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> > > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> > > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> > > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> > > awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Ginz 
Not too well.  The Hunqa frame is still in the box.  I'm in that mode
of competing priorities and lack of space for more bikes.

As for freewheels, and not to derail this thread, I would gladly move
to cassettes if a good quality 8sp could be had at a reasonable price.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 09:02 -0700, Mike wrote:
> Yeah, I hear you Steve. I've been following that VO blog post. I sure
> do like that gearing but I may need to move back to an 8spd cassette
> for piece of mind. 

Have you considered a 7 speed cassette?  There are more, and in my
opinion, better gearing choices presently available with 7 than with 8.
Unless you value a 12 or 11T outer sprocket (which I do not) you may
very well find that comparing 7 vs 8, less is clearly more.  


> I'd hate to be out in the middle of nowhere and
> have the FW crap out on me. I've never had a cassette fail. Still, I
> really wanted the FW to work, the gearing combo is great. Harris
> Cyclery no longer sells 8spd Sheldon Brown Century Special cassettes.
> I may have to look into making my own.

Take a look at the 7 speed 13-30.  Another alternative, pure perfection
in my opinion, if you are using indexing is the 9 speed 13-30.


> 
> Here's a picture of the rando frame:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/5619870885/
> 
> It's got Rivish parts on it--Nitto bars, stem and post and Sliver
> shifters. 

OK, in that case, positively definitely 7 is better, in my experience.  


That bike would look dandy with dark brown HandleBra leather bar wrap.



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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Mike 
Yeah, I hear you Steve. I've been following that VO blog post. I sure
do like that gearing but I may need to move back to an 8spd cassette
for piece of mind. I'd hate to be out in the middle of nowhere and
have the FW crap out on me. I've never had a cassette fail. Still, I
really wanted the FW to work, the gearing combo is great. Harris
Cyclery no longer sells 8spd Sheldon Brown Century Special cassettes.
I may have to look into making my own.

Here's a picture of the rando frame:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/5619870885/

It's got Rivish parts on it--Nitto bars, stem and post and Sliver
shifters. Hubs, cranks, bb, and fenders (modified) are VO. Oh, and
Newbaum's tape although I need to rewrap them. I'm not a fan of the
wrapping style. I may redo the brake cables too.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Mojo 
My winter projects were completed during the winter, and I like the
results. Ever since I received my Riv Road custom in 2001, I have had
Ultegra brifters on it, the first brifters I had owned. But the last
few years, I have disliked the shape of hoods. I bought some used
Campy Veloce brifters (in spite of my revulsion to Campy that stems
from 3 broken Record cranks back In The Day and some exclusionary
choices on their part), and put them on in 2009. Last year I slowly
but persistently realized this bike was begging to be simplified. So
over the winter, off came the brifters and on went a right bar-end and
a left Simplex downtube orphan shifter. The Veloces went on the
Legolas.

Results: the Riv Road steering was noticably lighter without the
brifters. I calculate the weight difference to be much less than a
pound. (The Ultegras were claimed to be 451 gm/1 pound plus dual
cables and housing, while the Cane Creek brake levers and one bar end
shifter weigh 365 gm plus one set of cable/housing.) And the brifter
shift cables did not likely stiffen the steering much as they were
mounted with the right shifter cable routed to the left stop and vice-
versa. Still I noticed a different, lighter, feel to the steering
without the brifters that is very nice. And of course as you all know
the shifting is simple and sweet. The friction left lever is totally
binary with one position for either the small (all the way in) or
large ring (all the way out), working for 7 of 9 cogs except the worst
two cross chained cogs that I don't want to use anyway. So the Riv
Road feels Right now.

Those Simplex shifters are so nice. I use another pair on my LHT, and
the left lever handles the triple crank nicely too. Friction shifting
is so easy with modern derailers. It wasn't as much fun with those
nasty old Campy record derailers.

The Veloce brifters feel right on the Legolas, a bike without downtube
shifter bosses. I am running Jack Browns and a 12-36 cassette with
36/50 chainrings. I can do all sorts of narly riding on the Legolas

Now all of my bikes feel aesthetically and functionally properly
configured. Tires are all holding air, wheels are all true. I don't
know what to do with myself...as I gaze out to the garden...and the
wooden deck that needs to be oiled.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 07:29 -0700, Mike wrote:
> I picked up the rando frame yesterday and it's beautiful...
> unfortunately I decided to use the new VO high flange hubs for the
> wheels. The hubs are actually fine, what's not fine is the damned IRD
> 6spd FW. Already the thing is giving me grief! It's not immediately
> engaging always. At one point it was even freewheeling in both
> directions. No good. And this doesn't instill confidence for me.

I agree.  Certainly not something you would want on a dedicated
randonneuring frame!  IMHO the case for freewheels is getting
increasingly harder to make.  The best ones are all long gone.  Some
excellent discussion of freewheels in a recent Velo Orange Blog entry:
http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2011/04/freewheel-testing.html

Tom's comment in that discussion is especially appropriate in this
context: 

"Shimano hasn't made freewheels in Japan in almost 25 years. The current
tourney 5 speed freewheels are made in china. The tourney 7sp are made
in Singapore. Been that way since the 80s. 

"The average lifespan of a cheapo bike with a freewheel is around 122
miles of usage. Shimano produces their freewheels and other low end
components to last 10 times that distance. The low end tourney
freewheels are not dura ace level by any stretch and should not be
compared to such."

After all, what is 1,220 miles in the life of a randonneuring frame?
That's less than a month's service, most likely.





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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread Mike 
Some of my winter projects are dragging out to spring projects. I sold
my Rambouillet last Nov with the intention of replacing it with a
Hunqa or Hillborne. Also, a friend offered to build me a dedicated
rando frame at a price I couldn't refuse. The idea was to use parts
from the Rambouillet for that. The Hunqa or Hillborne would have been
built up with other parts I had laying around. In the end I used money
from the sale of the Rambouillet to upgrade some parts for the rando
frame and pass on the Hunqa for an LHT.

I picked up the rando frame yesterday and it's beautiful...
unfortunately I decided to use the new VO high flange hubs for the
wheels. The hubs are actually fine, what's not fine is the damned IRD
6spd FW. Already the thing is giving me grief! It's not immediately
engaging always. At one point it was even freewheeling in both
directions. No good. And this doesn't instill confidence for me. It's
unfortunate, because on the 10 mile noodle around town on the bike
yesterday I really really liked the gearing--VO cranks 46/30 and a
6spd 13-28 FW. I also have a few minor tweaks to make to the set-up
with regard to fit. I may need to go with a tad shorter stem but I
need to get out for some rides first. I will say that I can see the
advantage of a low trail bike with front bag yet it does feel very
different than my Hilsen which I've been riding for the past 3yrs.

Furthermore... I had ordered up the LHT frame 2 weeks ago. It arrived,
was prepped by the shop and the other day I dropped off parts to have
it built up. I got a call from the shop yesterday saying the frame is
defective and they'll have to order up a new one. Not really a big
deal but I had cannabalized the Hilsen a bit to make the LHT happen
figuring I could get the Hilsen back on the road a little later.

And today is the OR Randonneurs 400k which I decided to sit out mainly
due to a poor forecast and I just don't like the course which is very
flat, kinda boring and takes in some sections of roads I'm just not
comfortable riding on late at night. Yet I do have a twinge of regret
as the weather is looking okay. I'll still do the 600k and maybe try
to do a 400k later this year so that I can still earn an SR award.

All in all though, the need to get a freewheel warrantied and a new
bike dialed in along with waiting another 1.5 weeks to get yet another
bike on the road really isn't a big deal in the scheme of things. I've
been riding my QB a ton and so will most likely ride that this weekend
if I can't get the freewheel issue resolved.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-16 Thread EricP 
The Sam Hillborne conversion to V brakes was easy.  A bit more
complicated was changing stem, which required a new bar (25.4
diameter). So instead of Noodles, now has Nitto 115 bars on it.  Very
different feel.  Also changed things up with a bit more colorful
housing and bar tape.  Then added the SKS Longboards when they came
out.

So that project was good.  Then got sidetracked recently by another
project.  One that said "hmm, there are enough parts filling the
garage to make another bike.  If I had a frame/fork/headset."  Ended
up with a Surly Cross Check built as a 1x9 with upright bars and
fenders. Fenders are from the Sam Hillborne.  Still experimenting with
different bars and stems.  Will eventually buy the adapters to
experiment with single speed.

Now the project is to ride and see if some weight loss can happen
again.  Have a few fairly big riding committments this year and would
like to be lighter to tackle them.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 15, 7:23 pm, pruckelshaus  wrote:
> Well, winter project 1, my second frame, a sloping top tubed lugged
> 650b commuter/path bomber is getting picked up from the painters
> tomorrow AM and should be built for a ride on Sunday, so that's nearly
> done.  Looking forward to trying SRAM (Apex) for the first time.
>
> I have 20BF of red oak waiting to be turned into a hall table for my
> wife, and a PegoRichie tubeset, slant six lugset, and bag of dropouts
> and brazeons waiting to be turned into frame 3.  I'll be lucky if I
> get these done by summer.
>
> Pete
>
> On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> > 25mm tires (and $$)
> > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> > barcons (in progress)
>
> > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> > awesome.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-15 Thread pruckelshaus 
Well, winter project 1, my second frame, a sloping top tubed lugged
650b commuter/path bomber is getting picked up from the painters
tomorrow AM and should be built for a ride on Sunday, so that's nearly
done.  Looking forward to trying SRAM (Apex) for the first time.

I have 20BF of red oak waiting to be turned into a hall table for my
wife, and a PegoRichie tubeset, slant six lugset, and bag of dropouts
and brazeons waiting to be turned into frame 3.  I'll be lucky if I
get these done by summer.

Pete

On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-15 Thread William 
BobbyB

1.  tandem:  Fail
2.  Davidson:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572
(although I've since gotten more of the Campy out.  I need to update)
3.  Bombadil:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986
4.  Hillborne:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5604248171
5.  Gomez:  shellac is drying now
6.  Trek:  forthcoming



On Apr 15, 5:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> Quite a stable there, William... Pics... we want PICS!!!
>
> BB
>
> On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> > riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> > to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> > liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> > my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> > think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> > 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> > cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> > 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> > brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> > friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> > 25mm tires (and $$)
> > 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> > 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> > 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> > barcons (in progress)
>
> > I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> > road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> > since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> > and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> > out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> > over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> > VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> > Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> > awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-15 Thread Bill M. 
My winter project was restoring my '95 Riv Road to derailleur gearing
from the fixed configuration it was in last year.  It got a SRAM Apex
group, with a Campy triple crank converted to 46/30 gearing.

I had a few nice rides on it, then the rear wheel packed it in.  It
had an American Classic hub that stopped engaging reliably after many
years of use.  I had planned on riding it tomorrow in the Cycle for
Sight in Napa, but that won't happen.  I'll have to ride my 650b
Kogswell instead.  So, I'm now waiting for the parts to build a new
wheelset for the Riv.  I guess that's my spring project.  The build
will be:

White Industries H2/H3 hubs, silver, 32 hole
Velocity A23 rims, silver
DT 14/15/14 spokes, brass nipples.  Silver, of course
Velocity Veloplugs in lieu of rim tape

And, if they fit the frame, 32 mm Vittoria Randonneur Hypers.  I
understand that they run a bit on the wide side, and the A23's will
probably let them get even wider.  The front will be fine, but I'm a
little concerned about the rear tire clearing the brake bridge.  I may
have to remove the dropout adjusting screws and pull the wheel all the
way back for that last mm of clearance.  If they don't fit I'll be
back to 32 mm Pasela TG's, which only measure a bit over 30 mm.

Here are some photos from the maiden ride on the Apex parts:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15750548@N04/sets/72157626114728148/

Bill


On Apr 15, 10:46 am, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?

2011-04-15 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
Quite a stable there, William... Pics... we want PICS!!!

BB

On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, William  wrote:
> Are you going to have all those winter projects done now that the
> riding weather is improving?  I had several and I've done pretty well
> to get most of them knocked out.  The most overarching one is that I
> liquidated a lot of my stuff, including four sets of brifters and all
> my Campy drivetrain bits.  That raised quite a bit of money and I
> think made two of my bikes a lot more useable.  They were:
>
> 1.  Ibis Tandem.  Goodbye to brifters, flight deck and 12-32
> cassette.  Hello to indexed barcons and 12-36 cassette (and $$)
> 2.  Davidson gofast.  Goodbye to campy brifters, derailers, rear hub,
> brakes, 22mm tires and cassette.  Hello to shimano low normal der,
> friction barcons, 12-32 cassette, shimano brakes, tektro levers, and
> 25mm tires (and $$)
> 3.  Bomba.  Hello drop bar cockpit
> 4.  Hillborne.  Hello trail riding configuration
> 5.  Wife's Yves Gomez.  Goodbye cheap thumbshifters, hello index
> barcons (in progress)
>
> I'm kicking another project off tonight.  I wanted a MUSA lugged steel
> road frame to set up as an all-road to live in Southern California,
> since we go down there several times a year.  I found a 1984 Trek 770,
> and I'm picking it up tonight.  The Campy Super Record bits will go
> out on the resale market, and I'll be setting it up more civilized
> over the next month or so.  I picked up a Sugino compact double from
> VO for $90.  I'm even considering keeping the tubulars for a while.
> Has anyone tried the Vittoria Pave 27mm tubulars?  Those look
> awesome.

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