[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-09-04 Thread Surlyprof
I use the QL3 system on one side of the Tubus rack on my Hillborne.  It's a 
little more fussy to line up the pegs for mounting the pannier than the 
hooks on the QL2 or QL1 systems.  Since the hooks are inset into the side 
of the bag, I doubt you could adapt a QL3 system to another bag.  I use it 
for my briefcase at work 
(https://www.ortlieb.com/en/Office-Bag%20High%20Visibility/) so it is nice 
to not have the quick release hooks sticking out catching my clothes when 
walking across campus.   That seems to be the only benefit.  What I don't 
like about it is that you have to mount the QL3 adapter on the side of your 
rack semi-permanently.  It gets in the way of  when you want to attach 
other panniers.  I have gotten in the habit of taking the mounting bracket 
off during the summer so I can mount my old Vaude quick release panniers on 
for camping, grocery runs, etc.  I have coveted the backabikes because of 
the simple grommeted holes.  Not sure I like the idea of the straps since I 
know what it is like to swap sackville saddlebags (although the leather is 
a nice touch).  Hover, I do like Jeff's Ortlieb/Backabike conversion.  I 
had thought to do that with an older, leather briefcase.  May have to try 
it now!

John

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 9:02:13 AM UTC-7, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Try this Leah 
> Www.ortliebusa.com 
> Under products click on bicycle bag replacement parts. 
> You might want to contact customer service so they can sell you the whole 
> mounting package. If you look on the beck side of one of their panniers you 
> will see how the hardware functions. 
> I've used the Ql1 and QL 2 systems, the QL 2 is a bit easier to fit on a 
> wide variety of racks but they both work very well. 
> I have no experience with their QL 3 system. 
>
> Ray 
> Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-09-03 Thread Will Ashe
This really has answered my question on what bags to get for my front 
Campee rack. I like the size of the H.A.B, and I may try the Arkel Cam-Lock 
system or the Ortlieb uppers and lowers. Thanks for the inspiration!!

Will Ashe

On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 2:29:39 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> My order from bikebagshop with Ortlieb bits arrived today and I got to 
> work on the hub area bag mount conversion. 
>
> Parts:
> * Qty 2: Ortlieb QL1 short rail (
> https://www.bikebagshop.com/e170-ql1-short-rail-p-1080.html)
> * Qty 2: Orlieb QL1 top hooks with handle (
> https://www.bikebagshop.com/e162-ql1-top-hooks-with-handle-p-1077.html)
>  - all fasteners needed came with the parts
>
> Tools:
> * Awl (for hole pokin')
> * 12mm wrench (for nut tightening)
> * 3mm hex wrench (for hook to rail attachment)
> * t15 torx driver (for fastening rail bolt - could use small flathead 
> screwdriver as a substitute)
>
> Installation:
>
> Eyeball the location of the top rail - I attached the hooks to see where 
> and how it could clip to the top rail and still allow the bottom pocket to 
> be used. By eye I found that a good spot vertically for the rail/hooks so 
> that the bottom of the rack can slide into the bottom pocket of the bag and 
> there's just enough room to locate the Ortlieb hooks over the top rail and 
> drop them on and they clip on. This location happens to position the rail 
> over the grommets that came with the bags.
>
> Use an awl to poke through the outer bag, inner stiffener and inner liner. 
> If there was a tricky part, this was it - I just focused on holding the 
> rail in place with my thumb and then just poked two holes, then drove the 
> bolts through and attached the inner cap nut finger tight. With the rail 
> stabilized with two bolts installed I poked the other two holes and then 
> snugged all of the cap nuts with the 12mm wrench.
>
> Install might have been a bit less fiddly if I clamped the rail on somehow 
> and mabye used a drill to drill through the bag, but it wasn't really a 
> struggle with the awl. For both bags this was a 15 - 20 minute jobs, with 
> most of that time spent eyeballing the fit and location.
>
> ...now I just need my Rosco v2 to arrive so I can put this rack and bags 
> back to work.
>
> In-process pic included below and a few more in this album: 
> https://goo.gl/photos/aMs4r3v7iPtFDyB28
>
>
>
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Ray Varella  > wrote:
>
>> Try this Leah
>> Www.ortliebusa.com
>> Under products click on bicycle bag replacement parts.
>> You might want to contact customer service so they can sell you the whole 
>> mounting package. If you look on the beck side of one of their panniers you 
>> will see how the hardware functions.
>> I've used the Ql1 and QL 2 systems, the QL 2 is a bit easier to fit on a 
>> wide variety of racks but they both work very well.
>> I have no experience with their QL 3 system.
>>
>> Ray
>> Vallejo CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-09-02 Thread Jeff Lesperance
Ah - I think that buckle strap with the inner dowel is a nice upgrade for
the backabike bags if you ever regularly install/remove a loaded bag from
your rack.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Well done! Looks great. Riv must have had similar thoughts because they
> got their bags back in stock and looky here: http://www.rivbike.com/
> product-p/baba1-gr.htm
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jeff Lesperance 
> wrote:
>
> My order from bikebagshop with Ortlieb bits arrived today and I got to
> work on the hub area bag mount conversion.
>
> Parts:
> * Qty 2: Ortlieb QL1 short rail (https://www.bikebagshop.com/
> e170-ql1-short-rail-p-1080.html)
> * Qty 2: Orlieb QL1 top hooks with handle (https://www.bikebagshop.com/
> e162-ql1-top-hooks-with-handle-p-1077.html)
>  - all fasteners needed came with the parts
>
> Tools:
> * Awl (for hole pokin')
> * 12mm wrench (for nut tightening)
> * 3mm hex wrench (for hook to rail attachment)
> * t15 torx driver (for fastening rail bolt - could use small flathead
> screwdriver as a substitute)
>
> Installation:
>
> Eyeball the location of the top rail - I attached the hooks to see where
> and how it could clip to the top rail and still allow the bottom pocket to
> be used. By eye I found that a good spot vertically for the rail/hooks so
> that the bottom of the rack can slide into the bottom pocket of the bag and
> there's just enough room to locate the Ortlieb hooks over the top rail and
> drop them on and they clip on. This location happens to position the rail
> over the grommets that came with the bags.
>
> Use an awl to poke through the outer bag, inner stiffener and inner liner.
> If there was a tricky part, this was it - I just focused on holding the
> rail in place with my thumb and then just poked two holes, then drove the
> bolts through and attached the inner cap nut finger tight. With the rail
> stabilized with two bolts installed I poked the other two holes and then
> snugged all of the cap nuts with the 12mm wrench.
>
> Install might have been a bit less fiddly if I clamped the rail on somehow
> and mabye used a drill to drill through the bag, but it wasn't really a
> struggle with the awl. For both bags this was a 15 - 20 minute jobs, with
> most of that time spent eyeballing the fit and location.
>
> ...now I just need my Rosco v2 to arrive so I can put this rack and bags
> back to work.
>
> In-process pic included below and a few more in this album:
> https://goo.gl/photos/aMs4r3v7iPtFDyB28
>
>
> 
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Ray Varella 
> wrote:
>
>> Try this Leah
>> Www.ortliebusa.com
>> Under products click on bicycle bag replacement parts.
>> You might want to contact customer service so they can sell you the whole
>> mounting package. If you look on the beck side of one of their panniers you
>> will see how the hardware functions.
>> I've used the Ql1 and QL 2 systems, the QL 2 is a bit easier to fit on a
>> wide variety of racks but they both work very well.
>> I have no experience with their QL 3 system.
>>
>> Ray
>> Vallejo CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-09-02 Thread Leah Peterson
Well done! Looks great. Riv must have had similar thoughts because they got 
their bags back in stock and looky here: 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/baba1-gr.htm

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jeff Lesperance  wrote:
> 
> My order from bikebagshop with Ortlieb bits arrived today and I got to work 
> on the hub area bag mount conversion. 
> 
> Parts:
> * Qty 2: Ortlieb QL1 short rail 
> (https://www.bikebagshop.com/e170-ql1-short-rail-p-1080.html)
> * Qty 2: Orlieb QL1 top hooks with handle 
> (https://www.bikebagshop.com/e162-ql1-top-hooks-with-handle-p-1077.html)
>  - all fasteners needed came with the parts
> 
> Tools:
> * Awl (for hole pokin')
> * 12mm wrench (for nut tightening)
> * 3mm hex wrench (for hook to rail attachment)
> * t15 torx driver (for fastening rail bolt - could use small flathead 
> screwdriver as a substitute)
> 
> Installation:
> 
> Eyeball the location of the top rail - I attached the hooks to see where and 
> how it could clip to the top rail and still allow the bottom pocket to be 
> used. By eye I found that a good spot vertically for the rail/hooks so that 
> the bottom of the rack can slide into the bottom pocket of the bag and 
> there's just enough room to locate the Ortlieb hooks over the top rail and 
> drop them on and they clip on. This location happens to position the rail 
> over the grommets that came with the bags.
> 
> Use an awl to poke through the outer bag, inner stiffener and inner liner. If 
> there was a tricky part, this was it - I just focused on holding the rail in 
> place with my thumb and then just poked two holes, then drove the bolts 
> through and attached the inner cap nut finger tight. With the rail stabilized 
> with two bolts installed I poked the other two holes and then snugged all of 
> the cap nuts with the 12mm wrench.
> 
> Install might have been a bit less fiddly if I clamped the rail on somehow 
> and mabye used a drill to drill through the bag, but it wasn't really a 
> struggle with the awl. For both bags this was a 15 - 20 minute jobs, with 
> most of that time spent eyeballing the fit and location.
> 
> ...now I just need my Rosco v2 to arrive so I can put this rack and bags back 
> to work.
> 
> In-process pic included below and a few more in this album: 
> https://goo.gl/photos/aMs4r3v7iPtFDyB28
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Ray Varella  
>> wrote:
>> Try this Leah
>> Www.ortliebusa.com
>> Under products click on bicycle bag replacement parts.
>> You might want to contact customer service so they can sell you the whole 
>> mounting package. If you look on the beck side of one of their panniers you 
>> will see how the hardware functions.
>> I've used the Ql1 and QL 2 systems, the QL 2 is a bit easier to fit on a 
>> wide variety of racks but they both work very well.
>> I have no experience with their QL 3 system.
>> 
>> Ray
>> Vallejo CA
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-09-02 Thread A CT Cyclist
Nice job. Looks much more user friendly.

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 9:11:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I've finally procured a pair of hub area bags to go with my hub area rack 
> - jumped on 'em as soon as olive green came back in stock, and I mounted 
> them up with the included nylon strap. I'm struggling with wanting to 
> improve the mounting solution in some way - it's not necessary, but I love 
> trying to make things work differently - sometimes different = better and 
> sometimes different = I kept myself occupied working on this thing and 
> that's good enough.
>
> I've played around with multiple nylon straps, d-rings, mini-carabiners, 
> paracord and assorted clips. Have any of you tried anything besides a 
> single nylon strap looped through and snugged down? What's worked and what 
> hasn't?
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-28 Thread Ray Varella
Try this Leah
Www.ortliebusa.com
Under products click on bicycle bag replacement parts. 
You might want to contact customer service so they can sell you the whole 
mounting package. If you look on the beck side of one of their panniers you 
will see how the hardware functions. 
I've used the Ql1 and QL 2 systems, the QL 2 is a bit easier to fit on a wide 
variety of racks but they both work very well. 
I have no experience with their QL 3 system. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-28 Thread Howard Hatten
When I bought my backabike bags last year my first impression was wow this 
mounting strap is inconvenient. I used them on and off and I got pretty good at 
doing it fast. Now I've come to a point that I just leave them on. I guess if 
security is an issue the Irish strap would be more complicated to figure out 
than the quick detach system that the Ortlieb has. 

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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread Jeff Lesperance
I was specifically looking for solutions for the hub area bag/rack combo. I
think the backabike bags have some similarity in that they also use nylon
straps for attachment, and I'll comment on that a bit, but the hub area
bags have a bottom pocket that slides into the bottom of the rack as the
bottom anchor point, so they are a touch different. This pocket actually
complicates matters a bit for mounting systems like the Ortlieb kit as you
can't just drop the bag onto the rack from the top, rather you slide the
pocket into the bottom of the rack from the bottom.

I'm not sure the Ortlieb system will work on these bags, but I'm fixing to
figure it out.

I like the aesthetic and the simplicity that Riv is going for with these
bags, and I don't find the mounting solution for the hub area bags to be
problematic, but I wanted to see if I could improve it. I think that the
strap mounting solution for the backabike bags is a bit more problematic
due to the size of the bags. They're bigger bags which represent
opportunity to get more weight in them. If you have one of those bags
loaded with heavy stuff, I have to think that mounting/unmounting with the
straps, regardless of how frequent you do it, could be fairly cumbersome.
The hub area bags could be cumbersome too, but they're smaller mount lower
to the ground so even if they are heavy you don't have a large bag to lift
as far off the ground.



On Saturday, August 27, 2016, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
[email protected]> wrote:

> If you are referring to my comment in another thread that they are not
> designed for easy on/easy off, that was definitely not a lament! I
> experience no grief over this, because I knew they were not made for taking
> on and off frequently, and I don't need bags that facilitate that.
>
>  Here is the product description:
>
> *Both mount via two grommets and a strap (included). It's not the one
> hand/ one second mount and release of a lot of modern bags, but if you can
> spare 30 seconds, you'll see the beauty in its simplicity and security, and
> may have some bonus peace of mind knowing there's nothing to break, and you
> can attached them with a shoelace, if that's all you got.*
>
> Now I see from Jeff's latest post that apparently you can easily retrofit
> these with Ortlieb hardware. So there you go! Me, I'm sticking with the
> stock system.
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:42:08 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> I'm leaving a comment here so I get these responses. I'm wondering the
>> same. I'm considering a pair of Backabike bags for our school commute and
>> I've heard the lament about the mounting not being wonderfully easy...
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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread LeahFoy
 Do you guys mind posting the link to this hardware that you are using? I just 
bought the Backabike bags from Rivelo today, and I'm curious.  I don't even 
know if I want to take the bags on and off yet, it's just too soon to tell what 
needs I will have for the school year.  But it would be nice to know what you 
are using for quick on and off if it's no trouble to send the link. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
If you are referring to my comment in another thread that they are not 
designed for easy on/easy off, that was definitely not a lament! I 
experience no grief over this, because I knew they were not made for taking 
on and off frequently, and I don't need bags that facilitate that. 

 Here is the product description: 

*Both mount via two grommets and a strap (included). It's not the one hand/ 
one second mount and release of a lot of modern bags, but if you can spare 
30 seconds, you'll see the beauty in its simplicity and security, and may 
have some bonus peace of mind knowing there's nothing to break, and you can 
attached them with a shoelace, if that's all you got.*

Now I see from Jeff's latest post that apparently you can easily retrofit 
these with Ortlieb hardware. So there you go! Me, I'm sticking with the 
stock system.

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:42:08 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I'm leaving a comment here so I get these responses. I'm wondering the 
> same. I'm considering a pair of Backabike bags for our school commute and 
> I've heard the lament about the mounting not being wonderfully easy...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I've successfully used hardware store J hooks, suitably taped, and elastic
for the bottom hook. Not elegant, but it worked well.

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> I have a set of Ortliebs and I think they have superior mounts. I was
> thinking I'd like to try to make something a bit better than just threading
> a strap through and around every time I want to instal or remove the bags,
> without buying Ortlieb kit. I went to the local small box hardware store
> and stared at esoteric fasteners for a while and just did not experience an
> aha moment. I ordered some small Ortlieb rails and mounts when I got home.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Ray Varella  wrote:
>
>> Ortlieb sells their mounting hardware separately.
>> It's very secure when mounted and goes on and off with a lift of a strap.
>> Shoulder straps are also available.
>>
>>
>> Ray
>> Vallejo CA
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individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread Jeff Lesperance
I have a set of Ortliebs and I think they have superior mounts. I was
thinking I'd like to try to make something a bit better than just threading
a strap through and around every time I want to instal or remove the bags,
without buying Ortlieb kit. I went to the local small box hardware store
and stared at esoteric fasteners for a while and just did not experience an
aha moment. I ordered some small Ortlieb rails and mounts when I got home.

On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Ray Varella  wrote:

> Ortlieb sells their mounting hardware separately.
> It's very secure when mounted and goes on and off with a lift of a strap.
> Shoulder straps are also available.
>
>
> Ray
> Vallejo CA
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[RBW] Re: Hub area bag/rack mounting hacks

2016-08-27 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles
I've got the hub area bags mounted to a Velo Orange rack using only the two 
mounting points/grommets. They seem super solid even without the bottom 
sleeve being used...




On Saturday, August 27, 2016 
at 9:11:53 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I've finally procured a pair of hub area bags to go with my hub area rack 
> - jumped on 'em as soon as olive green came back in stock, and I mounted 
> them up with the included nylon strap. I'm struggling with wanting to 
> improve the mounting solution in some way - it's not necessary, but I love 
> trying to make things work differently - sometimes different = better and 
> sometimes different = I kept myself occupied working on this thing and 
> that's good enough.
>
> I've played around with multiple nylon straps, d-rings, mini-carabiners, 
> paracord and assorted clips. Have any of you tried anything besides a 
> single nylon strap looped through and snugged down? What's worked and what 
> hasn't?
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
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