[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
No no no no no.The old school way is the "smoke while you tighten it" method. On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 1:33:21 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: > > Wait, I thought the old school way was the "tighten it 'til it smokes" > method. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Michael, I use Snap-On torque wrenches exclusively for work, and as such I ended up with a set of four that I can also use on my bikes. When I'm flying down hills in excess of 30mph, I like to know that everything on my bikes has been torqued properly. Peace of mind is worth the money in my opinion. I have used other brands, but none stack up to the Snap-On wrenches, in my opinion. Unfortunately, they are probably the most expensive as well. Good luck. -Joe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Michael - Based on everything you've had to say about physiological issues, I'd say go for the Sears tool. Looks like a reasonably priced, well placed for bike work solution. On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:12:01 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > OP here. To answer some questions. Why do I want to move to a click > style torque wrench? For most of the 35+ years as an adult riding and > working on bikes I felt very comfortable with my internal sense of whether > a bolt was tight or not. I don't ride carbon and it never occurred to me > to use a torque wrench. Time marches on; the hands, arms, and back loose > strength slowly and our judgment gets compromised. In the last five years > I have overtightened and broken the clamp on a very good Chorus FD; I have > also undertightened and eventually damaged a very good Record FD. I have > undertigtened the left side of a crank arm, at which point I started using > my ratchet instead of allen keys and bought a beam style torque wrench to > double check crank bolts. I found I couldn't hold the tool in tension and > bend over far enough to read it accurately. (I have to admit that at that > point I had never seen nor heard of click style torque wrenches.) This > summer, while up in Ontario for the Canadian Tandem Rally I heard the > irritating clicking of not tight enough chain ring bolts (tandems have 15 > of em and how tight are they supposed to be anyway). That's when I began > to think it would be wise to check my judgement with a tool. > > I found this AC Delco on the Sears web site. > http://www.sears.com/durofix-ac-delco-power-tools-durofix-ac-delco-power/p-SPM7423422303?prdNo=28&blockNo=28&blockType=G28 > > It's 2 -37 ft/lbs seems perfect for bike work. > > Bill, thanks for your feedback about subject lines. What was I thinking? > > Michael > > > On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:14:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Me, I use mine only for crank bolts; this after cracking a very expensive >> Topline Superlight crank, some 18 years ago, by torquing down the mounting >> bolts too enthusiastically. >> >> OTOH, if you adjust your bike with vise grips and pipe wrench, you really >> don't need to worry. >> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Scott McLain >> wrote: >> >>> Okay, I am relatively new here and don't want to sound like a heretic, >>> but I personally don't use a torque wrench. Certain torque wrenches need >>> to be re-calibrated periodically. I would be curious to know what bolt >>> connection the riv folks use a torque wrench for versus just putting things >>> on using common sense. >>> >>> I bought a new bike many years back from a new shop and the owner built >>> it up, all using a torque wrench. I was there as he was finishing up. I >>> was impressed. I thought, wow he's using a torque wrench. Well on my >>> first ride, my handle bars and my crank was loose... very loose. >>> Obviously, he needed a new torque wrench or to have his calibrated. >>> >>> I love the appeal that come with using a torque wrench, but I think you >>> still want to use common sense. >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
OP here. To answer some questions. Why do I want to move to a click style torque wrench? For most of the 35+ years as an adult riding and working on bikes I felt very comfortable with my internal sense of whether a bolt was tight or not. I don't ride carbon and it never occurred to me to use a torque wrench. Time marches on; the hands, arms, and back loose strength slowly and our judgment gets compromised. In the last five years I have overtightened and broken the clamp on a very good Chorus FD; I have also undertightened and eventually damaged a very good Record FD. I have undertigtened the left side of a crank arm, at which point I started using my ratchet instead of allen keys and bought a beam style torque wrench to double check crank bolts. I found I couldn't hold the tool in tension and bend over far enough to read it accurately. (I have to admit that at that point I had never seen nor heard of click style torque wrenches.) This summer, while up in Ontario for the Canadian Tandem Rally I heard the irritating clicking of not tight enough chain ring bolts (tandems have 15 of em and how tight are they supposed to be anyway). That's when I began to think it would be wise to check my judgement with a tool. I found this AC Delco on the Sears web site. http://www.sears.com/durofix-ac-delco-power-tools-durofix-ac-delco-power/p-SPM7423422303?prdNo=28&blockNo=28&blockType=G28 It's 2 -37 ft/lbs seems perfect for bike work. Bill, thanks for your feedback about subject lines. What was I thinking? Michael On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:14:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Me, I use mine only for crank bolts; this after cracking a very expensive > Topline Superlight crank, some 18 years ago, by torquing down the mounting > bolts too enthusiastically. > > OTOH, if you adjust your bike with vise grips and pipe wrench, you really > don't need to worry. > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Scott McLain > wrote: > >> Okay, I am relatively new here and don't want to sound like a heretic, >> but I personally don't use a torque wrench. Certain torque wrenches need >> to be re-calibrated periodically. I would be curious to know what bolt >> connection the riv folks use a torque wrench for versus just putting things >> on using common sense. >> >> I bought a new bike many years back from a new shop and the owner built >> it up, all using a torque wrench. I was there as he was finishing up. I >> was impressed. I thought, wow he's using a torque wrench. Well on my >> first ride, my handle bars and my crank was loose... very loose. >> Obviously, he needed a new torque wrench or to have his calibrated. >> >> I love the appeal that come with using a torque wrench, but I think you >> still want to use common sense. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Me, I use mine only for crank bolts; this after cracking a very expensive Topline Superlight crank, some 18 years ago, by torquing down the mounting bolts too enthusiastically. OTOH, if you adjust your bike with vise grips and pipe wrench, you really don't need to worry. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Scott McLain wrote: > Okay, I am relatively new here and don't want to sound like a heretic, but > I personally don't use a torque wrench. Certain torque wrenches need to be > re-calibrated periodically. I would be curious to know what bolt > connection the riv folks use a torque wrench for versus just putting things > on using common sense. > > I bought a new bike many years back from a new shop and the owner built it > up, all using a torque wrench. I was there as he was finishing up. I was > impressed. I thought, wow he's using a torque wrench. Well on my first > ride, my handle bars and my crank was loose... very loose. Obviously, he > needed a new torque wrench or to have his calibrated. > > I love the appeal that come with using a torque wrench, but I think you > still want to use common sense. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
What Howard and Scott said. Frankly, the only reason I use one at all on the cassette lock ring is because the underside of the ring has that serrated surface to keep it from loosening that makes a clicking noise as you tighten. So it's somewhat difficult to know if you haven't gone far enough (therefore affecting shifting) or went too far (risking stripping the threads). It's nice to use one for the PW BB fixing rings, too, to prevent too much side load on the cartridge bearings, but you can get by without one just by the feel of the axle. As a side comment to what Howard said, too, I knew guys who worked assembly lines in auto factories and after using a torque wrench initially to get the feel for how much effort to apply to the fastener, they ditched it for a regular ratchet wrench and inspections would indicate that they were right one the money. On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 3:27:01 PM UTC-5, Howard Hatten wrote: > > Before I retired I worked in an automotive product test lab. We torqued > every fastener before testing. We utilized beam, click, & electronic type > torque wrenches. They all required periodic recalibration. > Personally I don't use a torque wrench anywhere on my bikes. Hope I'm not > screwing up. > > Howard > Livonia Mi > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Before I retired I worked in an automotive product test lab. We torqued every fastener before testing. We utilized beam, click, & electronic type torque wrenches. They all required periodic recalibration. Personally I don't use a torque wrench anywhere on my bikes. Hope I'm not screwing up. Howard Livonia Mi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Okay, I am relatively new here and don't want to sound like a heretic, but I personally don't use a torque wrench. Certain torque wrenches need to be re-calibrated periodically. I would be curious to know what bolt connection the riv folks use a torque wrench for versus just putting things on using common sense. I bought a new bike many years back from a new shop and the owner built it up, all using a torque wrench. I was there as he was finishing up. I was impressed. I thought, wow he's using a torque wrench. Well on my first ride, my handle bars and my crank was loose... very loose. Obviously, he needed a new torque wrench or to have his calibrated. I love the appeal that come with using a torque wrench, but I think you still want to use common sense. Best, Scott On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 4:23:22 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > I am an old man in a dry month, > Being read to by a boy waiting for the rain. > T.S. Eliot > > Yep, guys in lycra now go by so fast they don''t have time to say hello. > I see that my bike repair manual has a 1981 copyright. My tools are all > pretty much old too, but aging better than me. Arthritis in my left hand, > and I can no longer trust the strength in my arms to tell me when a bolt is > tight enough. I can't hold the old beam style torque wrench and bend over > to read it at the same time. > > So, I need a one of those "new" clique style, or electronic torque > wrench. But which one? and ouch look at the price! I looked at a > Craftsman, but the online reviews were not encouraging. Ditto, > surprisingly, for Park. And of course for complete bike coverage one > really needs two torque wrenches. Topeak sells one that covers the full > range of our needs but there are no dealers here in northern VT, so I would > have to go to Quebec and buy one with the owners manual in French. Or, > sight unseen, online, for a whopping $269. > > What's your experience? > > Michael > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
No offense taken ! ... it's not my error , I just posted the link. It's foot pounds Ron , the title alone is off, but the description clearly clarifies. Who on earth would make a such wrench for only 250 in-lb ? No one of course ! On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 10:55:25 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: > > no offense, but 250 lb-in won't tighten many crank bolts, much less bottom > brackets or cassette locking rings. > > On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: >> >> >> >>I would not buy or recommend an electronic tool let alone torque >> wrench, ever ! If you want a real good one get a Snap-On, which may be a >> bit much, but Snap-On has an industrial brand called CDI and sell still top >> quality without the Snap-On title name and $$$. Here is a 1/2" and 3/8" as >> a *suggestion* : >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2502MRPH-Adjustable-250-Inch-Pounds/dp/B001VXRYG8 >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2503MFRPH-Adjustable-Micrometer/dp/B000KL4H80 >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
no offense, but 250 lb-in won't tighten many crank bolts, much less bottom brackets or cassette locking rings. On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: > > > >I would not buy or recommend an electronic tool let alone torque > wrench, ever ! If you want a real good one get a Snap-On, which may be a > bit much, but Snap-On has an industrial brand called CDI and sell still top > quality without the Snap-On title name and $$$. Here is a 1/2" and 3/8" as > a *suggestion* : > > > https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2502MRPH-Adjustable-250-Inch-Pounds/dp/B001VXRYG8 > > https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2503MFRPH-Adjustable-Micrometer/dp/B000KL4H80 > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
Don't feel too bad; I'm right there with you - takes me a half hour every morning to stretch the stiffness and soreness out of my lower back and hamstrings before I can put on my shoes. I can't speak to the current trends in torque wrenches; I have a Craftsman non-electronic "click" style that I bought way back in the late 70's for mainly automotive use that seems to work OK. Don't know how accurate it is, though. I have a neighbor who is an absolute car nut - has two restored early 60's British sports cars in his garage - and he tells me that none of these digital or similar wrenches are as accurate as the older beam style. But, just curious, what are you using it for? The only two applications where I've felt that a torque wrench might really be necessary in bike maintenance is installing the fixing rings on a PW BB and tightening the lock ring on a cassette hub. On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:23:22 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > I am an old man in a dry month, > Being read to by a boy waiting for the rain. > T.S. Eliot > > Yep, guys in lycra now go by so fast they don''t have time to say hello. > I see that my bike repair manual has a 1981 copyright. My tools are all > pretty much old too, but aging better than me. Arthritis in my left hand, > and I can no longer trust the strength in my arms to tell me when a bolt is > tight enough. I can't hold the old beam style torque wrench and bend over > to read it at the same time. > > So, I need a one of those "new" clique style, or electronic torque > wrench. But which one? and ouch look at the price! I looked at a > Craftsman, but the online reviews were not encouraging. Ditto, > surprisingly, for Park. And of course for complete bike coverage one > really needs two torque wrenches. Topeak sells one that covers the full > range of our needs but there are no dealers here in northern VT, so I would > have to go to Quebec and buy one with the owners manual in French. Or, > sight unseen, online, for a whopping $269. > > What's your experience? > > Michael > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I'm old but not dead yet
I would not buy or recommend an electronic tool let alone torque wrench, ever ! If you want a real good one get a Snap-On, which may be a bit much, but Snap-On has an industrial brand called CDI and sell still top quality without the Snap-On title name and $$$. Here is a 1/2" and 3/8" as a *suggestion* : https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2502MRPH-Adjustable-250-Inch-Pounds/dp/B001VXRYG8 https://www.amazon.com/Industrial-CDI-2503MFRPH-Adjustable-Micrometer/dp/B000KL4H80 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
