[RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-07-01 Thread Garth 

The absolute lightest system would likely be a Camelback/back carrying type 
of pack really.  I've never used one, but I suspect I would be okay with 
it. Just think of all the energy expended putting water in and out of 
little bottles.  And you can refrigerate them and they'll keep you cool on 
the hot days. 

Of course, it's not "fashionable" ... or some say it's hurts their back, 
etc. etc.  but I can't knock it until I really tried one. Even then, it 
works great for lots of people so it's no fault of the device ;) 

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[RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-07-01 Thread [email protected] 

>
> I like the Jandd option- might not be large enough for you?  Quick- easy 
> on- shock cords down to the drops- expandable and made in the US of A! 
>  What is not to like? 
>

 

> http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMW3
>

*Specifications:*
Volume: 
(Closed) 368 ci/ 6 ltr
(Expanded) 456 ci/ 7.5 ltr
Dimensions: 
(Regular) 6 x 11 x 7 (in) 15 x 28 x 18 (cm)
(Expanded) 9 x 11 x 7 (in) 23 x 28 x 18 (cm)
Weight: 15.4 oz/ 440 g
Material: Dupont Cordura® 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
I've owned and used many different supports, including the two original
Bagmen (Bagmans?) and SQRs and the Nitto thing (it doesn't work with rails
that aren't more or less at 90* to the ground, so I made my own version for
the other Riv), but on this bike I don't want any additional contraption
that requires bolting and unbolting, thus the desire to have a largish bag
that simply straps to the rails and that can easily be removed and replaced
with a small seat bag.

Thanks for all the suggestions -- y'all. (That's "all y'all" -- there is a
subtle technical difference.)

Patrick "my corpus is in NM but my origin is in Dixie" Moore

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Christopher Murray <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Why not get a bagman support? I have one and love it. Use it with a camper.
>
> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Garth 
That's alright Paul, everyone has their own experiences !   I ride out of 
the saddle quite a bit and I despise swaying bags, and the way I have it 
set up it does not sway. I snug all the straps down really good.  

The pictures of the bags from Revelate don't show it, but mine has tie down 
4 loops on top that I added some elastic cord for quick access to a 
shirt,vest, jacket or food. This way I don't need to open the bag often. 



On Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:26:36 AM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I'll maybe offer the only counter-voice so far. Have a Pika and find it a 
> bit lacking. It doesn't sway much less than other saddlebags I've used, 
> when extended I find it sways quite a bit. It also sits very high when 
> extended, gets in the way when I tuck back to descend.
>
> It's also not easy to get to stuff deep in the bag. You have to pop the 
> buckles, unroll it, then stick your arm in and fish around till your 
> fingers find it, with the outer edge of the bag all the way up at your 
> elbow.
>
> So I'm not a big fan so far. It is much lighter than a canvas/leather 
> alternative, or a racked bag, but I'm not so concerned about weight.
>
> Also, FWIW, I used lots of saddlebags on loop-less saddles, never had 
> trouble cinching the straps tight on the seat rails. I definitely use the 
> Peter White trick of locating the buckles inside the bag and tightening the 
> straps as much as possible. Most bags with stiffeners or dowels up top do 
> well with livable sway.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> Quoting Patrick Moore :
>
> I would immediately choose the Pika except for the price. We'll see -- if 
> I can get a discount from Stevie ---
>
> Since the gofast would use such a bag only periodically (sorry, I like to 
> keep the silhouette of that bike lean and clean) I would probably use the 
> Pika on the Fargo (now rackless since shopping duties were transferred to 
> the Ram) and save the Carradice Prima Maxi for the gofast. 
>
> Question: the Fargo has very, very little clearance between saddle (even 
> with the immensely long, 500mm (?) mm post) and the 29"-plus rear tire, so 
> little that even a Carradice Junior drags. The Carradice clears nicely, but 
> it's only 5 liters, which is more apt for the gofast anyway. Would you be 
> kind enough to measure the maximum height of the Pika, first unexpanded, 
> then expanded? I'd be grateful.
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Garth >wrote:
>
>> Yep  great to have choices !!  
>>
>> FWIW  my main criteria was no leg or butt rub and yet large. The Pika 
>> is 6-12 liters !!  The end has no seal or closure, you simply roll it like 
>> a cigar and the ends connect to the stabilzer straps on the side. It's 
>> really a smart design. The velcro stap around the seatpost is like 
>> industrial quality. I appreciate such velcro !  And it's really light of 
>>
>> I too looked at the ones you have , but for me they all would have*rubbed
>> * me the wrong way ... lol.  (pun intended !)  I would have gladly got a 
>> Jandd Mnt. Wedge 3 if it was tapered at the seatpost. I was about to give 
>> up and just go the rack and bag route again , but racks are such dead 
>> weight. So ask, and ye shall find !  There is was . I thought I saw the 
>> larger Revelate bag expanded and thought it was a joke.  But it was real 
>> and works really well.  The guy who makes the bags is a one man show in 
>> Alaska, or maybe he has some help these days IDK. 
>>
>> You'll likely be happy with any of them really ... the hardest part is 
>> always the dance before buying them 4 sure ! Have fun Patrick  
>> everything can be :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Christopher Murray 
Why not get a bagman support? I have one and love it. Use it with a camper. 

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
Michael: The Prima Maxi may no longer be current -- it's not in Carradice's
web collection:

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/carradice-shopcarradice/

But there are others that are similar -- ie, not transverse, and not
requiring saddle loops (or any special attaching device). This site has
prices.

Here is a nearshore alternative:

http://banjobrothers.com/products/current/seat-bags/

In particular:

http://banjobrothers.com/products/current/seat-bags/waterproof-saddle-trunk/

Me, I'm going to try Paul B's trick of attaching a Junior directly to the
saddle rails, running the straps inside the bag. Perhaps that will suit the
gofast for the extra water carrying season. If not, I am tempted by the
(new) Pika for the Fargo and (existing) Prima Maxi for the gofast.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing Patrick.  I have a very similar, 25 year old Rhode Gear
> bag which i use on the Ram & supplement with aan Acorn up front when
> needed.  I have been looking for something similar for the Saluki.  I don't
> see this Prima Maxi on the Carradice, nor do I see a price on the url you
> copied.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:54:10 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Like the Carradice Prima Maxi (thus: http://www.bikeradar.**
>> com/gear/category/accessories/**luggage/cycling-bags-and-**
>> cases/seat-bag-seat-wedge/**product/review-carradice-**
>> prima-maxi-saddlepack-10018
>> ).
>>
>> It need not be a Carradice; I recall that Jandd back in the day made
>> wedges almost as big. I just want to be able to carry at least 1 quart
>> container plus the usual mini kit that fits into a Jandd Mountain Wedge
>> (about the vol of a small standard bottle).
>>
>> I bought one at a very good price from a listmember but liked it so much
>> for the Fargo (it don't drag on the rear tire the way a Junior does) that
>> there it stayed, and I'd like another for the gofast so that I can carry
>> extra water in this our horribly hot, horribly dry hot season.
>>
>> Will consider trading a nice, lightly used Junior (9 liter) for such an
>> one.
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Michael Hechmer 
Thanks for sharing Patrick.  I have a very similar, 25 year old Rhode Gear 
bag which i use on the Ram & supplement with aan Acorn up front when 
needed.  I have been looking for something similar for the Saluki.  I don't 
see this Prima Maxi on the Carradice, nor do I see a price on the url you 
copied.

Michael 

On Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:54:10 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Like the Carradice Prima Maxi (thus: 
> http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/luggage/cycling-bags-and-cases/seat-bag-seat-wedge/product/review-carradice-prima-maxi-saddlepack-10018
> ). 
>
> It need not be a Carradice; I recall that Jandd back in the day made 
> wedges almost as big. I just want to be able to carry at least 1 quart 
> container plus the usual mini kit that fits into a Jandd Mountain Wedge 
> (about the vol of a small standard bottle). 
>
> I bought one at a very good price from a listmember but liked it so much 
> for the Fargo (it don't drag on the rear tire the way a Junior does) that 
> there it stayed, and I'd like another for the gofast so that I can carry 
> extra water in this our horribly hot, horribly dry hot season.
>
> Will consider trading a nice, lightly used Junior (9 liter) for such an 
> one. 
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
Many thanks, Garth. That should work fine on the Fargo. So my next question
(to myself) is: $$$???

I think the Jandd might well rub on the tire. So that leaves the B Brothers
and two Carradice models. H.

Thanks again.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Garth  wrote:

> If I understand you correctly, you are wondering the "drop" of the bag ?
> How far down it measures ? From the straps of the seatpost , to the bottom
> of the bag is a generous 70mm. It stays the same fully extended or fully
> compressed. I took a couple of pics to illustrate.  I'm with you about the
> weight thing Patrick, I have "only" 2 bikes , the Bomba is a tank, weighs a
> ton and that's fine. But it's sweet to have a bike that feels light-er
> without all the "stuff" on it. I don't care what anyone says about weight,
> if* does* matter to whom and how it matters .
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9frqzglPHTMNIUME0VTdeNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/v9QLqjbkRjXc2gKKmTuNgdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Garth 
If I understand you correctly, you are wondering the "drop" of the bag ?  
How far down it measures ? From the straps of the seatpost , to the bottom 
of the bag is a generous 70mm. It stays the same fully extended or fully 
compressed. I took a couple of pics to illustrate.  I'm with you about the 
weight thing Patrick, I have "only" 2 bikes , the Bomba is a tank, weighs a 
ton and that's fine. But it's sweet to have a bike that feels light-er 
without all the "stuff" on it. I don't care what anyone says about weight, 
if* does* matter to whom and how it matters .

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OgELz_XbxoQ/Uc9FKGiTrhI/Bww/0PDLGTAX6c4/s800/P6291581.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_tLn3NCk7GI/Uc9FN-RCNmI/Bww/4wLkh6fTT4A/s800/P6291584.JPG

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Garth 


If I understand you correctly, you are wondering the "drop" of the bag ?  
How far down it measures ? From the straps of the seatpost , to the bottom 
of the bag is a generous 70mm. It stays the same fully extended or fully 
compressed. I took a couple of pics to illustrate.  I'm with you about the 
weight thing Patrick, I have "only" 2 bikes , the Bomba is a tank, weighs a 
ton and that's fine. But it's sweet to have a bike that feels light-er 
without all the "stuff" on it. I don't care what anyone says about weight, 
if* does* matter to whom and how it matters .

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9frqzglPHTMNIUME0VTdeNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/v9QLqjbkRjXc2gKKmTuNgdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
Paul: on what saddles have you successfully installed transverse saddlebags
using the rails, and what bags? I've done that with the Junior once or
twice on Flites but found that the bag wanted to cinch up unevenly. I must
try again cinching the loops from within the bag.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM,  wrote:

> I'll maybe offer the only counter-voice so far. Have a Pika and find it a
> bit lacking. It doesn't sway much less than other saddlebags I've used,
> when extended I find it sways quite a bit. It also sits very high when
> extended, gets in the way when I tuck back to descend.
>
> It's also not easy to get to stuff deep in the bag. You have to pop the
> buckles, unroll it, then stick your arm in and fish around till your
> fingers find it, with the outer edge of the bag all the way up at your
> elbow.
>
> So I'm not a big fan so far. It is much lighter than a canvas/leather
> alternative, or a racked bag, but I'm not so concerned about weight.
>
> Also, FWIW, I used lots of saddlebags on loop-less saddles, never had
> trouble cinching the straps tight on the seat rails. I definitely use the
> Peter White trick of locating the buckles inside the bag and tightening the
> straps as much as possible. Most bags with stiffeners or dowels up top do
> well with livable sway.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> Quoting Patrick Moore **:
>
> I would immediately choose the Pika except for the price. We'll see -- if
> I can get a discount from Stevie ---
>
> Since the gofast would use such a bag only periodically (sorry, I like to
> keep the silhouette of that bike lean and clean) I would probably use the
> Pika on the Fargo (now rackless since shopping duties were transferred to
> the Ram) and save the Carradice Prima Maxi for the gofast.
>
> Question: the Fargo has very, very little clearance between saddle (even
> with the immensely long, 500mm (?) mm post) and the 29"-plus rear tire, so
> little that even a Carradice Junior drags. The Carradice clears nicely, but
> it's only 5 liters, which is more apt for the gofast anyway. Would you be
> kind enough to measure the maximum height of the Pika, first unexpanded,
> then expanded? I'd be grateful.
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>> Yep  great to have choices !!
>>
>> FWIW  my main criteria was no leg or butt rub and yet large. The Pika
>> is 6-12 liters !!  The end has no seal or closure, you simply roll it like
>> a cigar and the ends connect to the stabilzer straps on the side. It's
>> really a smart design. The velcro stap around the seatpost is like
>> industrial quality. I appreciate such velcro !  And it's really light of
>>
>> I too looked at the ones you have , but for me they all would have*rubbed
>> * me the wrong way ... lol.  (pun intended !)  I would have gladly got a
>> Jandd Mnt. Wedge 3 if it was tapered at the seatpost. I was about to give
>> up and just go the rack and bag route again , but racks are such dead
>> weight. So ask, and ye shall find !  There is was . I thought I saw the
>> larger Revelate bag expanded and thought it was a joke.  But it was real
>> and works really well.  The guy who makes the bags is a one man show in
>> Alaska, or maybe he has some help these days IDK.
>>
>> You'll likely be happy with any of them really ... the hardest part is
>> always the dance before buying them 4 sure ! Have fun Patrick 
>> everything can be :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread pcb 


 I'll maybe offer the only counter-voice so far. Have a Pika and find 
it a bit lacking. It doesn't sway much less than other saddlebags I've 
used, when extended I find it sways quite a bit. It also sits very high 
when extended, gets in the way when I tuck back to descend. 
It's also not easy to get to stuff deep in the bag. You have to pop the 
buckles, unroll it, then stick your arm in and fish around till your 
fingers find it, with the outer edge of the bag all the way up at your 
elbow. 
So I'm not a big fan so far. It is much lighter than a canvas/leather 
alternative, or a racked bag, but I'm not so concerned about weight. 
Also, FWIW, I used lots of saddlebags on loop-less saddles, never had 
trouble cinching the straps tight on the seat rails. I definitely use 
the Peter White trick of locating the buckles inside the bag and 
tightening the straps as much as possible. Most bags with stiffeners or 
dowels up top do well with livable sway. 
Paul Brodek

Hillsdale, NJ USA

Quoting Patrick Moore :

  I would immediately choose the Pika except for the price. We'll 
see -- if I can get a discount from Stevie ---
Since the gofast would use such a bag only periodically (sorry, I like 
to keep the silhouette of that bike lean and clean) I would probably 
use the Pika on the Fargo (now rackless since shopping duties were 
transferred to the Ram) and save the Carradice Prima Maxi for the 
gofast. 
Question: the Fargo has very, very little clearance between saddle 
(even with the immensely long, 500mm (?) mm post) and the 29"-plus rear 
tire, so little that even a Carradice Junior drags. The Carradice 
clears nicely, but it's only 5 liters, which is more apt for the gofast 
anyway. Would you be kind enough to measure the maximum height of the 
Pika, first unexpanded, then expanded? I'd be grateful. 


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Garth  wrote:

   Yep  great to have choices !!

FWIW  my main criteria was no leg or butt rub and yet large. The 
Pika is 6-12 liters !!  The end has no seal or closure, you simply roll 
it like a cigar and the ends connect to the stabilzer straps on the 
side. It's really a smart design. The velcro stap around the seatpost 
is like industrial quality. I appreciate such velcro !  And it's really 
light of


I too looked at the ones you have , but for me they all would have 
rubbed me the wrong way ... lol.  (pun intended !)  I would have gladly 
got a Jandd Mnt. Wedge 3 if it was tapered at the seatpost. I was about 
to give up and just go the rack and bag route again , but racks are 
such dead weight. So ask, and ye shall find !  There is was . I thought 
I saw the larger Revelate bag expanded and thought it was a joke.  But 
it was real and works really well.  The guy who makes the bags is a one 
man show in Alaska, or maybe he has some help these days IDK. 

You'll likely be happy with any of them really ... the hardest part is 
always the dance before buying them 4 sure ! Have fun Patrick  
everything can be :)


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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
I would immediately choose the Pika except for the price. We'll see -- if I
can get a discount from Stevie ---

Since the gofast would use such a bag only periodically (sorry, I like to
keep the silhouette of that bike lean and clean) I would probably use the
Pika on the Fargo (now rackless since shopping duties were transferred to
the Ram) and save the Carradice Prima Maxi for the gofast.

Question: the Fargo has very, very little clearance between saddle (even
with the immensely long, 500mm (?) mm post) and the 29"-plus rear tire, so
little that even a Carradice Junior drags. The Carradice clears nicely, but
it's only 5 liters, which is more apt for the gofast anyway. Would you be
kind enough to measure the maximum height of the Pika, first unexpanded,
then expanded? I'd be grateful.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Garth  wrote:

> Yep  great to have choices !!
>
> FWIW  my main criteria was no leg or butt rub and yet large. The Pika
> is 6-12 liters !!  The end has no seal or closure, you simply roll it like
> a cigar and the ends connect to the stabilzer straps on the side. It's
> really a smart design. The velcro stap around the seatpost is like
> industrial quality. I appreciate such velcro !  And it's really light of
>
> I too looked at the ones you have , but for me they all would have* rubbed
> * me the wrong way ... lol.  (pun intended !)  I would have gladly got a
> Jandd Mnt. Wedge 3 if it was tapered at the seatpost. I was about to give
> up and just go the rack and bag route again , but racks are such dead
> weight. So ask, and ye shall find !  There is was . I thought I saw the
> larger Revelate bag expanded and thought it was a joke.  But it was real
> and works really well.  The guy who makes the bags is a one man show in
> Alaska, or maybe he has some help these days IDK.
>
> You'll likely be happy with any of them really ... the hardest part is
> always the dance before buying them 4 sure ! Have fun Patrick 
> everything can be :)
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[RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-28 Thread Garth 
Yep  great to have choices !!  

FWIW  my main criteria was no leg or butt rub and yet large. The Pika 
is 6-12 liters !!  The end has no seal or closure, you simply roll it like 
a cigar and the ends connect to the stabilzer straps on the side. It's 
really a smart design. The velcro stap around the seatpost is like 
industrial quality. I appreciate such velcro !  And it's really light of 

I too looked at the ones you have , but for me they all would have* rubbed*me 
the wrong way ... lol.  (pun intended !)  I would have gladly got a 
Jandd Mnt. Wedge 3 if it was tapered at the seatpost. I was about to give 
up and just go the rack and bag route again , but racks are such dead 
weight. So ask, and ye shall find !  There is was . I thought I saw the 
larger Revelate bag expanded and thought it was a joke.  But it was real 
and works really well.  The guy who makes the bags is a one man show in 
Alaska, or maybe he has some help these days IDK. 

You'll likely be happy with any of them really ... the hardest part is 
always the dance before buying them 4 sure ! Have fun Patrick  
everything can be :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-28 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks, Garth. I'll have to weigh the price against the good design, which
looks like a winner: compact, but huge unfolded. Competitors are the
Carradice Prima Maxi (GBP 18), 5 lters, the Carradice Super C Saddlepack at
GBP 36 8 liters, the Jandd Mountain Wedge at $56, 8 liters, and the Banjo
Bros Saddle Trunk at $50, 6.6 liters.

Choices, choices.




On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
> I just started suing one of these Patrick, it's a Revelate Pika bag.  All
> I can is ... purrfection !
>
> My requirements were a way larger than typical bag, no thigh/butt rubbing
> and no tail wagging effect.  And there it is !  The Pika is slightly
> smaller than their Viscacha, which holds 2 liters more. These are sweet
> bags because while large capacity, they also are compressible. Internal and
> external straps to minimize any movement.  I was hesitant and $125  but
> so what . these bags are worth every penny. All the stitching and
> materials are top quality , these are not cheesy seat bags .
>
> http://www.bikebagshop.com/revelate-designs-pika-seat-bag-p-2600.html
> http://www.bikebagshop.com/revelate-designs-saddle-bags-c-790.html
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[RBW] Re: ISO large **non saddlebag loop** seat wedge big enough to carry a 1 qt water container + a 20 oz water bottle.

2013-06-28 Thread Garth 

I just started suing one of these Patrick, it's a Revelate Pika bag.  All I 
can is ... purrfection !   

My requirements were a way larger than typical bag, no thigh/butt rubbing 
and no tail wagging effect.  And there it is !  The Pika is slightly 
smaller than their Viscacha, which holds 2 liters more. These are sweet 
bags because while large capacity, they also are compressible. Internal and 
external straps to minimize any movement.  I was hesitant and $125  but 
so what . these bags are worth every penny. All the stitching and 
materials are top quality , these are not cheesy seat bags . 

http://www.bikebagshop.com/revelate-designs-pika-seat-bag-p-2600.html
http://www.bikebagshop.com/revelate-designs-saddle-bags-c-790.html

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