[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Ron MH 
A Kryptonite mini U lock through the rear wheel inside the rear triangle, 
Pitlock skewer-ed front wheel and Pitlocked Dyno light and I feel pretty safe 
and only had to carry a small lock. It isn't that hard. Except for those in 
NYC, why all the bike theft angst?

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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Lynne Fitz 
I've got a very pretty Bleriot.  It goes everywhere, and is often locked 
outside.  Kryptonite U-Lock with a Kryptonite thickish braided cable to get 
both wheels.
1) make it harder to steal than the ones it is parked next to.
2) of course, the Speedplay Frog pedals might be a bit of a deterrent :-)
3) strip off easily removable accessories - pump, lights that just clip on, 
etc.  My B&M IQ Fly stays on - pain to unbolt, and worthless without the 
wheel.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/6922577821/

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:37:44 PM UTC-8, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the 
> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's 
> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her 
> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is 
> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at 
> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or 
> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any 
> suggestions/thoughts?
> Thanks
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
Wow.  I wonder, what is the significance of the 7 of clubs in the front wheel?

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I also hear that beausage is an effective anti-theft tool. Check out this 
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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Kevin Mulcahy 



I also hear that beausage is an effective anti-theft tool. Check out this 
Atlantis spotted in Chicago:




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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Kevin Mulcahy 
A bit of anecdotal data from the Chicago Stolen Bike Registry:

Out of the thousands of reported stolen bikes, the vast majority of the 
bike that were actually locked at the time of theft were "secured" using a 
cable lock. After that comes typical U-locks, incidents in which the thief 
cut the fence (or whatever) the bike was locked too, and bikes locked with 
heavy duty chains. IIRC, There has never been a report of a bike being 
stolen while locked with two separate U-locks. It's seems like you're 
better off with two $40 locks than one $80 lock. The double lock method is 
becoming more common in Chicago.

Yesterday, I went down to the local precinct after the police discovered a 
huge stash of stolen bicycles. I was hoping to find my Gunnar after hearing 
that most of the bikes were hybrids and mtbs. Almost all of the bikes were 
low quality hybrids...

Also, locking skewers won't keep your bike from being stolen. And, be sure 
to insure your bikes. 

Kevin
Chicago, IL

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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-21 Thread Matthew J 
> It is a bit heavy, but I think it's worth the weight.
 
The Abus are heavy, but IMO being able to store them on the down or seat 
tube bottle cage spot makes the weight very easy to manage while riding.  
The bike is a little heavier going up the stairs to my apartment though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Peter Morgano 
I have to agree with Joe, I just love my Rivendell's too much to leave them
locked up outside somewhere. I also love my MB2 but if it got jacked I
could replace it for around $350 bucks, which is no chump change but that
is about what just my Dyno wheel and lights just cost me on the Bombadil. I
also have an Xmart bike that was left behind in the basement in case I just
want to run out and not even bother to lock, it helps it is a girls bike,
what do I care what people think, I know I have a beautiful bike waiting at
home for quality rides!

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Zack  wrote:

> I have an abus bordo lock.
>
> I did a bunch of research and in the end decided to go with having a lock
> that was *different* than what bike thieves are used to seeing, rather
> than a better version of one that they know (u lock, cable lock, etc).
>
> The lock doesn't have to be impenetrable it just has to be better than the
> worst locked bike around it.  It is a bit heavy, but I think it's worth the
> weight.
>
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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Zack 
I have an abus bordo lock.

I did a bunch of research and in the end decided to go with having a lock 
that was *different* than what bike thieves are used to seeing, rather than 
a better version of one that they know (u lock, cable lock, etc).

The lock doesn't have to be impenetrable it just has to be better than the 
worst locked bike around it.  It is a bit heavy, but I think it's worth the 
weight.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread David Verrinder 
Benefits of scheduling can be an increase in the number of covered perils
and the elimination of the deductable. All depends on your policy and the
additonal products offered


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> David, they are probably already covered on your home owners policy - just
> make sure you have good photos of bike and accessories, and serial numbers,
> etc.
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:31:21 PM UTC-6, David Verrinder wrote:
>>
>> Given that anyone who wants to steal your bike can, I am a big believer
>> in teh insurance option.  Check with your agent about scheduling your
>> bicycles on your home owner's policy.  For a very modest fee I have 10K
>> worht of bikes covered for 17 perils (including theft) and no deductable.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Claude LaVallee wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ned,
>>>
>>> I can relate to your wife; my Rivendell bicycle is my sole vehicle so
>>> I'm very protective of it.
>>>
>>> TiGr (http://tigrlock.com/) makes a very strong, lightweight titanium
>>> lock that allows you to lock both wheels and the frame to a secure bike
>>> stand. It is the strongest theft deterrent I have found.
>>>
>>> I supplement that with a D-lock, and intend to install pit lock skewers (
>>> http://www.pitlock.com/) to lock my seat post, wheels, saddle and seat
>>> post (in the meantime, I secure my seat post and saddle with a second
>>> D-lock).
>>>
>>> Another couple of security items I'd like to get and install are a GPS
>>> device (ex.: www.spybike-gps.com) to alert me in the advent of someone
>>> taking my bike, and an RFID (Radio Frequency Identification Device like
>>> www.snagg.com) to help me in recovering my bike if it is stolen. These
>>> are not common in North America yet, but I think there is growing interest.
>>>
>>> Lastly, she might be interested in looking into bicycle insurance
>>> options that are becoming available, like Clipp (http://getclipp.com)
>>> or Better World (http://www.betterworldclub.**
>>> com/bicycles/bike_assistance.**cfm/)
>>> which doesn't, as far as I know, cover theft, but offers interesting
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Claude
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Ned Ludd wrote:

 My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the
 park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's
 afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her
 old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is
 useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at
 Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or
 the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any
 suggestions/thoughts?
 Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Ron Mc 
David, they are probably already covered on your home owners policy - just 
make sure you have good photos of bike and accessories, and serial numbers, 
etc.  

On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:31:21 PM UTC-6, David Verrinder wrote:
>
> Given that anyone who wants to steal your bike can, I am a big believer in 
> teh insurance option.  Check with your agent about scheduling your bicycles 
> on your home owner's policy.  For a very modest fee I have 10K worht of 
> bikes covered for 17 perils (including theft) and no deductable.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Claude LaVallee 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Ned,
>>
>> I can relate to your wife; my Rivendell bicycle is my sole vehicle so I'm 
>> very protective of it.
>>
>> TiGr (http://tigrlock.com/) makes a very strong, lightweight titanium 
>> lock that allows you to lock both wheels and the frame to a secure bike 
>> stand. It is the strongest theft deterrent I have found.
>>
>> I supplement that with a D-lock, and intend to install pit lock skewers (
>> http://www.pitlock.com/) to lock my seat post, wheels, saddle and seat 
>> post (in the meantime, I secure my seat post and saddle with a second 
>> D-lock).
>>
>> Another couple of security items I'd like to get and install are a GPS 
>> device (ex.: www.spybike-gps.com) to alert me in the advent of someone 
>> taking my bike, and an RFID (Radio Frequency Identification Device like 
>> www.snagg.com) to help me in recovering my bike if it is stolen. These 
>> are not common in North America yet, but I think there is growing interest.
>>
>> Lastly, she might be interested in looking into bicycle insurance options 
>> that are becoming available, like Clipp (http://getclipp.com) or Better 
>> World (http://www.betterworldclub.com/bicycles/bike_assistance.cfm/) 
>> which doesn't, as far as I know, cover theft, but offers interesting 
>> benefits.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Claude
>>
>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Ned Ludd wrote:
>>>
>>> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the 
>>> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's 
>>> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her 
>>> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is 
>>> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at 
>>> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or 
>>> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any 
>>> suggestions/thoughts?
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread David Verrinder 
Given that anyone who wants to steal your bike can, I am a big believer in
teh insurance option.  Check with your agent about scheduling your bicycles
on your home owner's policy.  For a very modest fee I have 10K worht of
bikes covered for 17 perils (including theft) and no deductable.


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Claude LaVallee wrote:

> Hi Ned,
>
> I can relate to your wife; my Rivendell bicycle is my sole vehicle so I'm
> very protective of it.
>
> TiGr (http://tigrlock.com/) makes a very strong, lightweight titanium
> lock that allows you to lock both wheels and the frame to a secure bike
> stand. It is the strongest theft deterrent I have found.
>
> I supplement that with a D-lock, and intend to install pit lock skewers (
> http://www.pitlock.com/) to lock my seat post, wheels, saddle and seat
> post (in the meantime, I secure my seat post and saddle with a second
> D-lock).
>
> Another couple of security items I'd like to get and install are a GPS
> device (ex.: www.spybike-gps.com) to alert me in the advent of someone
> taking my bike, and an RFID (Radio Frequency Identification Device like
> www.snagg.com) to help me in recovering my bike if it is stolen. These
> are not common in North America yet, but I think there is growing interest.
>
> Lastly, she might be interested in looking into bicycle insurance options
> that are becoming available, like Clipp (http://getclipp.com) or Better
> World (http://www.betterworldclub.com/bicycles/bike_assistance.cfm/)
> which doesn't, as far as I know, cover theft, but offers interesting
> benefits.
>
> Good luck!
> Claude
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Ned Ludd wrote:
>>
>> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the
>> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's
>> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her
>> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is
>> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at
>> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or
>> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any
>> suggestions/thoughts?
>> Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Ron Mc 
here's the Abus catalog 
- http://uk.abus.com/myfolder/52986_Katalog_MoSi_2011_ENG_screen.pdf - they 
do a good job of rating security features for each lock design.  
For errand running, my vote is for the Abus cable lock.  It would take a 
powered abrasive cut-off to get through a cable, and it would take more 
than several minutes and make a lot of visible sparks.  Would take more 15 
minutes to chew through with bolt cutters.  

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:37:44 PM UTC-6, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the 
> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's 
> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her 
> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is 
> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at 
> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or 
> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any 
> suggestions/thoughts?
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Jeremy Till 
I'm not sure how old your Kryptonite is, but the current u-locks from them 
and OnGuard are more than up to this purpose, IMHO.  I regularly use my 8 
yo kryponite to luck up my QB on errands, and I live in a fairly high 
bicycle theft area.  The current key systems are very hard to pick and 
you're not getting through the shackle with anything less than an angle 
grinder or maybe a car jack.  OnGuard even guarantees their lock up to 
$1500 for the replacement of the bicycle. 

Cable locks are definitely inadequate, since they can be cut quickly with 
relatively simple tools (bolt cutters), making a bike locked with a cable 
an attractive target for opportunistic thieves. 

In any case, I think the best bet is not leaving the bike unattended for 
long periods anywhere.  Since she wants to use it for errands, I think 
she's already avoiding that risk.  


On Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:37:44 PM UTC-8, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the 
> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's 
> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her 
> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is 
> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at 
> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or 
> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any 
> suggestions/thoughts?
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: Lock question

2012-11-20 Thread Claude LaVallee 
Hi Ned,

I can relate to your wife; my Rivendell bicycle is my sole vehicle so I'm 
very protective of it.

TiGr (http://tigrlock.com/) makes a very strong, lightweight titanium lock 
that allows you to lock both wheels and the frame to a secure bike stand. 
It is the strongest theft deterrent I have found.

I supplement that with a D-lock, and intend to install pit lock skewers 
(http://www.pitlock.com/) to lock my seat post, wheels, saddle and seat 
post (in the meantime, I secure my seat post and saddle with a second 
D-lock).

Another couple of security items I'd like to get and install are a GPS 
device (ex.: www.spybike-gps.com) to alert me in the advent of someone 
taking my bike, and an RFID (Radio Frequency Identification Device like 
www.snagg.com) to help me in recovering my bike if it is stolen. These are 
not common in North America yet, but I think there is growing interest.

Lastly, she might be interested in looking into bicycle insurance options 
that are becoming available, like Clipp (http://getclipp.com) or Better 
World (http://www.betterworldclub.com/bicycles/bike_assistance.cfm/) which 
doesn't, as far as I know, cover theft, but offers interesting benefits.

Good luck!
Claude

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> My wife has a lovely HH and is afraid to use it. She'll ride it in the 
> park, or out to the beach, but she won't use it for errands because she's 
> afraid to leave it locked in front of a store for 10 minutes. I think her 
> old CrypticNight lock is inadequate, but there must be something that is 
> useful out there (I hope.) She does not plan to lock it to the fence at 
> Dolores Park overnight, she just wants to be able to go to the bakery or 
> the grocery store and have the thing still be there when she comes out. Any 
> suggestions/thoughts?
> Thanks
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