Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Hi Ken - Based on my experience with bottom brackets making use of outboard bearings (like the one integrated into the new Sugino crankset), it's a very good idea. It creates an incredibly strong, stiff system. I find my cranks with the outboard bearings to be much more efficient than my cranks with square taper bottom brackets. Thanks, Corwin On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:55:02 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote: > > This crank uses an exo bottom bracket, correct? > > Is that a really good idea? > > Ken > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Garth > > wrote: > > > >> I used the Shimano 105 double made in 1999-ish FD-5500 when I used > >> 48/44/26 rings and it shifted fine between the small rings. The Dura > Ace and > >> Ultegra of that same vintage work as well :) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZYoj86ppkT4J. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > Where did the spring go? > Where did my hormones go? > Where did my energy go? > Where did my go go? > Where did the pleasure go? > Where did my hair go? > > -- Ray Davies > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/i35jf72jiEoJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
This crank uses an exo bottom bracket, correct? Is that a really good idea? Ken On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Garth wrote: > >> I used the Shimano 105 double made in 1999-ish FD-5500 when I used >> 48/44/26 rings and it shifted fine between the small rings. The Dura Ace and >> Ultegra of that same vintage work as well :) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZYoj86ppkT4J. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
And Della Santa is American -- all the more interesting as that must be a custom -- club racer with room for 35s. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:03 AM, reynoldslugs wrote: > that Della Santa was fairly new at the time the pics taken...simmichrome, > rubbing alcohol, and bike lust ... but not always so spic and span: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157626493792020/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-DuSgIb6cGAJ. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
that Della Santa was fairly new at the time the pics taken...simmichrome, rubbing alcohol, and bike lust ... but not always so spic and span: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157626493792020/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-DuSgIb6cGAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Max -- congrats! First pair of Keos I've seen on this list beside mine! Nice bike, with very interesting setup. That's also the first Italian racing bike I've seen with 35 Kojaks! And: how do y'all keep your bikes so clean? That drivetrain looks as if it hasn't been ridden. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:56 PM, reynoldslugs wrote: > I have the earlier version of this crankset, in 26-40. It's a terrific > crank. Pics here: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/ > > Max > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AvIQcNOk-y0J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
It looks like my favorite (and very weird) crank of all time, the Campy Record OR for mountain bikes from the early '90s. Joe Bernard On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:56:53 PM UTC-8, reynoldslugs wrote: > I have the earlier version of this crankset, in 26-40. It's a terrific > crank. Pics here: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/ > > Max > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vyvSVyeF3iYJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
I have the earlier version of this crankset, in 26-40. It's a terrific crank. Pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/ Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AvIQcNOk-y0J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
> I used the Shimano 105 double made in 1999-ish FD-5500 when I used > 48/44/26 rings and it shifted fine between the small rings. The Dura Ace > and Ultegra of that same vintage work as well :) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZYoj86ppkT4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Rob at Ocean Air Cycles told me $340, which I believe included rings. On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:09, Jeremy Till wrote: > I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal OX801D > (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price point. > Wonder how much it'll be. Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully not too bad. > > In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap > enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) external > bottom brackets. > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: >> >> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any better >> or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that there are >> getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if this will be >> any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. >> >> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html >> >> --mike > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QSZSiDZAXE0J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
For what it is worth, these are in the same wholesale price league as White industry crank sets with a WI bottom bracket. Likewise the Compass RH offering is just a bit more without a bottom bracket. The corresponding retail prices all appear to be in the hunt as well if you shop around, and or ask your retailer of choice. IMO the real differences come down to aesthetics, bottom bracket style, if ramped and pinned rings mean anything to you, and country of origin. What is really good is the fact that there are finally choices in the market that allow for lower ranged well spaced doubles and triples. The next step is finding a front derailer made in the last 20 years that works well with a 48-44 ring and a 16-20 tooth gap between rings. There are a few great vintage options, but new is a little harder to find. Rob (very excited for a Christmas Roadeo project that is getting closer to done) oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:04:14 AM UTC-8, William wrote: > > Among the highlights is that Soma finally is embracing the inherent > flexibility of the chainring choices. When they started offering the $500 > flavor, they didn't offer it with anything smaller than a 34T small ring, > which is what we all can already get with every other 110mm bcd crankset. > Now they offer all the rings as freebie configuration options. That's > pretty cool. It'll be interesting to get a weight on it. Remember that if > Soma has it, Merry Sales also has it, so you can buy it from you LBS if > they deal with Merry Sales. > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote: >> >> It's already up on Soma website $360 . >> >> http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9OsFlz7a73cJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Among the highlights is that Soma finally is embracing the inherent flexibility of the chainring choices. When they started offering the $500 flavor, they didn't offer it with anything smaller than a 34T small ring, which is what we all can already get with every other 110mm bcd crankset. Now they offer all the rings as freebie configuration options. That's pretty cool. It'll be interesting to get a weight on it. Remember that if Soma has it, Merry Sales also has it, so you can buy it from you LBS if they deal with Merry Sales. On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote: > > It's already up on Soma website $360 . > > http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CAWmfZQarVcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
the finish looks dull in the pictures, guess they saved money on polishing? I wish IRD would do their Defiant crankset in a 94 BCD double. That would be a real big seller. There are plenty of 94 mm chain-rings around. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: > > Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any > better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that > there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if > this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. > > http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html > > --mike > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XNP4MW5rWwIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
It's already up on Soma website $360 . http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/i5hY2iNv-MEJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
BTW .. whatever happened to the Riv Crank proposed long ago ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NWGkAl9LP6cJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Note the 145mm Q factor. For those who it matters to, this will be a "big deal". Note it is designed in the spirit of the TA Cyclotouriste Crank with it's low Q and small ratios, except you are no longer limited to that odd and often wobbly tiny BCD ! You can use the common 110mm BCD :) But, if the other one costs $500 . h . prolly not going to be near XD prices ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gqTbjlaf4f4J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
Note the 145mm Q factor. For those who it matters to, this will be a "big deal". Note it is designed in the spirit of the TA Cyclotouriste Crank with it's low Q and small ratios, except you are no longer limited to that odd and often wobbly tiny BCD ! You can use the common 110mm BCD :) But, $500 ? lol ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LZGTqSWio_YJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
What is the *deal* with that site? It freezes my computer every time. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote: > I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal > OX801D (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price > point. Wonder how much it'll be. Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully > not too bad. > > In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap > enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) > external bottom brackets. > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: >> >> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any >> better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that >> there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if >> this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. >> >> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html >> >> --mike >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/q8zJjOAhUXUJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank
I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal OX801D (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price point. Wonder how much it'll be. Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully not too bad. In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) external bottom brackets. On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: > > Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any > better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that > there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if > this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. > > http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html > > --mike > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QSZSiDZAXE0J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
