[RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[ascpgh]

RDS rear dropout snapped on mine too.
[image: F14219F9-AF5B-4249-9A4B-266ACC20D2DC.jpeg]
Grainy thumbnail pic, file acuity lost in software updates, you get the 
idea though. Both sides replaced by Rivendell, JB reshot the paint. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:58 AM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com wrote:

> I should have mentioned that a few years ago the rd dropout cracked and I 
> took it back to Riv who had it re-brazed in Sacto and then sent to 
> a paint matcher to repaint the repaired area who was obviously really good 
> at this and I could not see any change in the color.
>
> Chris
> Boise
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:29:45 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Small blems on an orange Rambouillet may be cosmetically reduced from 
>> attracting attention using nail enamel in a good color match. As others 
>> have said, the pearlescent orange finish was a three layer build to achieve 
>> the result and is a harrowing repair to execute with continuity to the 
>> surrounding original finish. 
>>
>> That complexity of finish is why my Ram and its beausavage (when things 
>> get beyond Grant's "beausage") has not been renewed and the sum quoted to 
>> do so by JB and others was put toward a new frame and fork. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> (where the 30-40 mph wind gusts and temperature drop just happened like a 
>> switch was thrown)
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:14:57 PM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds 
>>> Roadser Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried 
>>> Boyd's Orange Pearl Enamel?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[Chris Dresden]

I should have mentioned that a few years ago the rd dropout cracked and I 
took it back to Riv who had it re-brazed in Sacto and then sent to 
a paint matcher to repaint the repaired area who was obviously really good 
at this and I could not see any change in the color.

Chris
Boise
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:29:45 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> Small blems on an orange Rambouillet may be cosmetically reduced from 
> attracting attention using nail enamel in a good color match. As others 
> have said, the pearlescent orange finish was a three layer build to achieve 
> the result and is a harrowing repair to execute with continuity to the 
> surrounding original finish. 
>
> That complexity of finish is why my Ram and its beausavage (when things 
> get beyond Grant's "beausage") has not been renewed and the sum quoted to 
> do so by JB and others was put toward a new frame and fork. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> (where the 30-40 mph wind gusts and temperature drop just happened like a 
> switch was thrown)
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:14:57 PM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser 
>> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's 
>> Orange Pearl Enamel?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[ascpgh]

Small blems on an orange Rambouillet may be cosmetically reduced from 
attracting attention using nail enamel in a good color match. As others 
have said, the pearlescent orange finish was a three layer build to achieve 
the result and is a harrowing repair to execute with continuity to the 
surrounding original finish. 

That complexity of finish is why my Ram and its beausavage (when things get 
beyond Grant's "beausage") has not been renewed and the sum quoted to do so 
by JB and others was put toward a new frame and fork. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
(where the 30-40 mph wind gusts and temperature drop just happened like a 
switch was thrown)

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:14:57 PM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com wrote:

> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser 
> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's 
> Orange Pearl Enamel?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[John Dewey]

That is all very true. Matching metallic / pearl formulas is nearly
impossible but you never know…maybe you get lucky. Keep at it ; )

And the TESTORS Boyd’s paints go way way back to the nineties. Probably
impossible to get your brush in.

But good luck! BTW, that’s Boyd Coddington, one of the great old hot rod
designers. TESTORS made a collection of his trademark colors.

BEST / Jock Dewey / xTESTORS

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:53 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Not sure on that one.
>
> Note that the orange Ram was a layered paint job. Very tough to actually
> "match".
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-8 cdres...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser
>> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's
>> Orange Pearl Enamel?
>
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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Not sure on that one. 

Note that the orange Ram was a layered paint job. Very tough to actually 
"match". 

Jim

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-8 cdres...@gmail.com wrote:

> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser 
> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's 
> Orange Pearl Enamel?
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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Corwin]

Hi Bruce -

I recently came into a great orange Ram (purchased from a list member 
here). I was wondering how your touch-ups turned out.

My frame is in great shape, but does have a nick or chip in a few places.

I also see on the Cyclofiend site, that Boyd's Roadstar Florida Orange 
Pearl" #52920 is recommended. This seems to be the same as Testor's 52920. 
And does not appear to be readily available.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Corwin

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:38:47 AM UTC-7 Bruce Curry wrote:

> I did the 3 tubes with clear coat for $50 less 10% coupon. There were 
> several other options but I didn't need all the extra gloves/sandpaper/etc. 
> Some of the other oranges looked a little closer on the ap but the c5 was 
> recommended. When it arrives I'll repost so all of the other creamsicle 
> Rams can get their orange on. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bruce Curry]

I did the 3 tubes with clear coat for $50 less 10% coupon. There were several 
other options but I didn't need all the extra gloves/sandpaper/etc. Some of the 
other oranges looked a little closer on the ap but the c5 was recommended. When 
it arrives I'll repost so all of the other creamsicle Rams can get their orange 
on. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bill Lindsay]

Which kit did you buy?  The $36 "Just the color" one?  Or the $46 
"Essential" kit?  Or something else?  

Best of luck with it.  It sounds like the right 3-layer approach, provided 
the color is right.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote:
>
> Just pulled the trigger in the Lamborghini Huracan Orancio Borealis C5C5 
> touch-up paint from Touch-up as others have mentioned. Will let you know 
> how it looks when it is received.   See link below.  
>
>
> https://touchupdirect.com/touch-up-paint/lamborghini/huracan/#pf-year=all=111820=jar
>   
>  Leave the year blank.  Good luck!  Bruce 
>
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 2:27:49 AM UTC-7, Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>> If you take the frame to a paint store, they should be able to scan it 
>> and produce a matching colour paint, though it will just be plain and not 
>> metalflake. Alternatively, see if you can find some orange metalflake nail 
>> polish that's a close match. I found some blue metalflake nail polish that 
>> is a good match for the paint on my Romulus, and I touch up any scratches 
>> through to the bare metal with that.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bruce Curry]

Just pulled the trigger in the Lamborghini Huracan Orancio Borealis C5C5 
touch-up paint from Touch-up as others have mentioned. Will let you know 
how it looks when it is received.   See link below.  

https://touchupdirect.com/touch-up-paint/lamborghini/huracan/#pf-year=all=111820=jar
  
 Leave the year blank.  Good luck!  Bruce 


On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 2:27:49 AM UTC-7, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> If you take the frame to a paint store, they should be able to scan it and 
> produce a matching colour paint, though it will just be plain and not 
> metalflake. Alternatively, see if you can find some orange metalflake nail 
> polish that's a close match. I found some blue metalflake nail polish that 
> is a good match for the paint on my Romulus, and I touch up any scratches 
> through to the bare metal with that.
>
> Nick
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Ray Varella]

Ford and Toyota both have a pretty nice metallic orange in their current 
lineup. 
Parts departments at dealers often sell touch up paint. 
I’m not suggesting either is a good match but they are both nice shades of 
orange. 

Whenever I have needed touch up paint for a bicycle, I’ve ridden my bike to the 
drugstore, wheeled it over to the model section where they sell little jars of 
Testors, and found something really close. 
Those same drugstores sell nail polish too and I’m sure they would be thrilled 
to help you match your nails to your bike?
If you said “my wife/girlfriend loves this color and I want to surprise her 
with some nail polish” 
I’d tell them that’s what I was trying to do. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Nick Payne]

If you take the frame to a paint store, they should be able to scan it and 
produce a matching colour paint, though it will just be plain and not 
metalflake. Alternatively, see if you can find some orange metalflake nail 
polish that's a close match. I found some blue metalflake nail polish that 
is a good match for the paint on my Romulus, and I touch up any scratches 
through to the bare metal with that.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[ascpgh]

Christian, My orange Rambouillet came unpainted in the  shipping container 
and was painted by Joe Bell. I was tracking its every move since I intended 
to ride it across the country with a group meeting in Yorktown, VA on a set 
date. Even though it was the premier choice for me and a production model, 
every step conspired against me. It arrived at 4:30 pm the evening before I 
went to VA.

In its service life my Rambouillet has accumulated a number of scrapes (no 
dents), the worst being the right seat stay where a doofus who futzed with 
the bike as it leaned on a high pedal on a short planter wall. As it 
tippled he grabbed the handlebar at the bar end shifter and guidded 10-11" 
of orange paint across the top edge of the wall producing a wide jagged 
scarf through the depth of paint exposing a little metal along the way. 
Some mental defense mechanism prevents me from recalling the non-crash 
event repeating the the same on the left seat stay as well. This is where I 
diverged from Grants's "beausage" thoughts about finishes and termed my 
own, "beausavage".

When my rear brake bridge broke loose requiring rebrazing, the seat stays 
lost another sad amount of paint as well. That's when I contacted Joe and 
asked him, RBW owners bunch & iBOBs about a respray. $1200 was the going 
number and I chose beausavage seeding the money towards a new frame and 
fork. I did a rattle can cream panel of each stay and the bridge. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 8:38:19 PM UTC-4, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Hey Ricky,
>
> a good start would be checking out the Cyclofiend site for paint 
> suggestions:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>
> You're right, Testors doesn't quite have the range they used to in the 
> past but they do sell a reasonable amount of colors in small amounts that 
> would work well for touch ups. The funny thing about nail polish is the 
> customer base doesn't seem too interested in colors that would good on 
> bikes as well. If they made a color to match the ram, i might have to paint 
> my nails, good time to wear the cut off gloves! :)
> Everyone else,
>
> Joe Bell would say no if he wasn't interested in selling paint. In fact, 
> he might have a suggestion where to go searching for paint. Hes a 
> professional and has been in the business for a while, I'm sure hes had his 
> fair share of strange requests. 
>
> Rivendells general position on touch up paint is just to prevent rust, not 
> so much to perfectly match the existing paint. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU
>
> I'm not looking for an exact match or perfection. Maybe something like the 
> Subaru tangerine orange touch up paint would do the trick. Ill be riding 
> the ram around looking for one to see if they match :)
>
> https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/Touch-Up-Paint-Tangerine-Orange-Pearl-Top/71900922/J361SFJ020A1.html
>
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/26/f8/1f26f80693ef3a53011b058b71e00e30.jpg
>
> Thanks again all for the suggestions,
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 5:02:24 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Btw my advice was also because - as we see in this thread - no one ever 
>> knows what the heck to use for touch-up paint on an orange Rambouillet. 
>> I've been reading posts on this for 19 years and it's a very particular 
>> paintjob in Japan that Riv can't even replicate now. 
>>
>> Which is a background knowledge on Ram paint I just sort of assume 
>> everyone here has, but of course that's not realistic. So I thought maybe 
>> Joe Bell could help and you could buy it from him. Is what I thought. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[christian poppell]

Hey Ricky,

a good start would be checking out the Cyclofiend site for paint 
suggestions:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html

You're right, Testors doesn't quite have the range they used to in the past 
but they do sell a reasonable amount of colors in small amounts that would 
work well for touch ups. The funny thing about nail polish is the customer 
base doesn't seem too interested in colors that would good on bikes as 
well. If they made a color to match the ram, i might have to paint my 
nails, good time to wear the cut off gloves! :)
Everyone else,

Joe Bell would say no if he wasn't interested in selling paint. In fact, he 
might have a suggestion where to go searching for paint. Hes a professional 
and has been in the business for a while, I'm sure hes had his fair share 
of strange requests. 

Rivendells general position on touch up paint is just to prevent rust, not 
so much to perfectly match the existing paint. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU

I'm not looking for an exact match or perfection. Maybe something like the 
Subaru tangerine orange touch up paint would do the trick. Ill be riding 
the ram around looking for one to see if they match :)
https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/Touch-Up-Paint-Tangerine-Orange-Pearl-Top/71900922/J361SFJ020A1.html
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/26/f8/1f26f80693ef3a53011b058b71e00e30.jpg

Thanks again all for the suggestions,
Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 5:02:24 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Btw my advice was also because - as we see in this thread - no one ever 
> knows what the heck to use for touch-up paint on an orange Rambouillet. 
> I've been reading posts on this for 19 years and it's a very particular 
> paintjob in Japan that Riv can't even replicate now. 
>
> Which is a background knowledge on Ram paint I just sort of assume 
> everyone here has, but of course that's not realistic. So I thought maybe 
> Joe Bell could help and you could buy it from him. Is what I thought. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Joe Bernard]

Btw my advice was also because - as we see in this thread - no one ever knows 
what the heck to use for touch-up paint on an orange Rambouillet. I've been 
reading posts on this for 19 years and it's a very particular paintjob in Japan 
that Riv can't even replicate now. 

Which is a background knowledge on Ram paint I just sort of assume everyone 
here has, but of course that's not realistic. So I thought maybe Joe Bell could 
help and you could buy it from him. Is what I thought. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Joe Bernard]

My advice was:

"I would contact Joe Bell through his website. He didn't paint those but he's 
the paint master and can probably send you something pretty close to the color."

The point being he probably knows what an orange Ram looks like and might have 
something at the shop he can sell this fellow. I wasn't implying Joe Bell could 
generate an exact duplicate of the paint, and clearly he may just say he 
doesn't have anything and doesn't sell touch-up. It was also an effort to alert 
folks to JB's site. You're welcome. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[E. Ricky Creek]

I had a thought about a month ago that it would be great if there was a 
collective effort to list touch up paint for Riv colors. It was nice to see 
how quickly the Riv Reader Archive came together as well as the models, 
years spreadsheet. I would personally benefit as I'm brutal on my bike's 
paint jobs and have many different colored Riv's in the garage. I have 
noticed also that Testors is no longer making some of the classic colors, 
like the Atlantis green, but Waterford has a close approximation. Even 
folks that have discovered nail polish that works with some colors. Since 
the Riv Timeline spreadsheet (
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JRuMAwuQ-Rc6bQXCBmfkmXA9jMMF5zBdBIyUOmkruYM/edit#gid=0)
 
is editable, would it be okay to add a column with touch up paint/polish? 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree that if I wanted the best possible paint job, I would also contact 
Joe Bell.  I imagine that the paint job that would replicate the color of 
an Orange Rambouillet and improve on the quality would be a ~$1200 paint 
job, and there probably is no better craftsperson on earth to do that $1200 
job.  

I'm not so sure that the original poster should expect Joe Bell to engineer 
a three-part touch-up paint solution for his Orange Ram.  First off, I 
don't know that Joe Bell sells touch up kits.  Second of all, since he 
didn't have anything to do with the original paint job, it's not certain he 
knows exactly which base, which color, and which pearl top coat would be 
needed.  There is probably no harm in asking, but I think of Joe Bell as a 
$100/hour tradesperson, and I think generating a custom 3-layer touch up 
kit to match the Orange Ram as a 2-3 hour job if he has the frame on hand, 
and may be impossible if he doesn't have the frame on hand.  If I was the 
OP and was going to email Joe Bell, I would limit my ask to anything he 
knew off the top of his head, like "is he familiar with the orange ram?  
Does he know the three colors used?  Does he know of a way to obtain those 
products?  Does he offer a touch up service and what is the general 
pricing?"  

Rather than go directly to the most-skilled, and highest-price bicycle 
painter, I think of the OP wanting to do something cheap and reasonably 
effective.  I'd start by asking Riv, who at least has some obligation to 
provide supporting information for the Ram, even if the OP is not directly 
Riv's customer for that particular Ram.  I would not try to pump an 
individual tradesperson for information unless I had the sincere intention 
of hiring that tradesperson, or if I already had pushed a significant 
amount of business through that tradesperson.  

Those are my 2 cents on this topic.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA  

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 6:33:25 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> He just finished my Riv custom and I just talked to him a couple weeks 
> ago. Go here, get your frame painted, it's worth every dollar!
>
> joebell.net
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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Joe Bernard]

He just finished my Riv custom and I just talked to him a couple weeks ago. Go 
here, get your frame painted, it's worth every dollar!

joebell.net

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bill in Roswell GA]

It's a metallic orange, BTW. Any other orange wouldn't match.

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:24:40 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Christian, 
> Joe is right. Contacting Mr. Bell is appropriate. 
>
> I have a Riv Ram with the pearl orange paint (been in love with that color 
> for 20 years). As I understand it, that was a 3 step process to get the 
> pearl finish according to Grant. My Ram just has a few nicks here and 
> there, not show stoppers but I wanted to hide them. 
>
> The closest stock paint I've found is on a Lamborghini Huracan. I found an 
> orange one on the local dealer's lot (living in Atlanta you can find any 
> car as one can in CA). 
> Automotive Touchup makes a Lambo C5 that does the job. I applied a thin 
> coat 3 times. Let it cure a couple days. Wet sand to blend with surrounding 
> paint. A layer of clear coat and more wet sand. From 3 feet away my old 
> eyes can't see the difference in most lighting conditions. For me, that was 
> good enough and only someone looking to find it would be able to. If you 
> had to cover a larger area, one might notice a slight change in shade. 
>
> Good luck!
> Bill in Roswell GA
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:02:18 PM UTC-4, christian poppell wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> You know when you're in the process of doing something and there's that 
>> voice that says, "you should really do this some other way". 
>>
>> I put a small nick in the top tube of of my orange Rambouillet and I'd 
>> like to touch it up. Its not big, but the top tube was somehow pristine. 
>> The Cyclofiend site has a color from Testors but it is now discontinued. 
>> Has anyone used something and had success?
>>
>> Thanks all and listen to that voice!
>> Christian
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I thought he retired? 

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:07:15 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I would contact Joe Bell through his website. He didn't paint those but 
> he's the paint master and can probably send you something pretty close to 
> the color. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Christian, 
Joe is right. Contacting Mr. Bell is appropriate. 

I have a Riv Ram with the pearl orange paint (been in love with that color 
for 20 years). As I understand it, that was a 3 step process to get the 
pearl finish according to Grant. My Ram just has a few nicks here and 
there, not show stoppers but I wanted to hide them. 

The closest stock paint I've found is on a Lamborghini Huracan. I found an 
orange one on the local dealer's lot (living in Atlanta you can find any 
car as one can in CA). 
Automotive Touchup makes a Lambo C5 that does the job. I applied a thin 
coat 3 times. Let it cure a couple days. Wet sand to blend with surrounding 
paint. A layer of clear coat and more wet sand. From 3 feet away my old 
eyes can't see the difference in most lighting conditions. For me, that was 
good enough and only someone looking to find it would be able to. If you 
had to cover a larger area, one might notice a slight change in shade. 

Good luck!
Bill in Roswell GA

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:02:18 PM UTC-4, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> You know when you're in the process of doing something and there's that 
> voice that says, "you should really do this some other way". 
>
> I put a small nick in the top tube of of my orange Rambouillet and I'd 
> like to touch it up. Its not big, but the top tube was somehow pristine. 
> The Cyclofiend site has a color from Testors but it is now discontinued. 
> Has anyone used something and had success?
>
> Thanks all and listen to that voice!
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>

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