[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick 
Garth, you are right: single layer ventile isn't waterproof. Double layer 
and "Cotton Analogy" layers ventile are waterproof. Yes, they are 
heavier/bulkier. They also replace the weight/bulk of a rain jacket and one 
layer of warmer clothing, at least for me. I don't know what your 
definition of "packable" is, but I pack mine all the time and take single 
layer or cotton analogy depending on activity/duration, anticipated 
conditions. 

Steve said: "Ventile's pretty hot to wear when it's 70 degrees or above. "

At which point there is no need for a rain jacket. Just get wet and be 
warm. Grin. That why I specified the temp range of up to 60˚F. 

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 12:34:59 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Ventile is not completely 100 percent waterproof. It's also bulky , 
> not exactly small packing if packable at all. 
>
>   So called waterproof *and* breathable fabrics only exist as relatives 
> .  A truly 100 percent waterproof fabric won't "breathe" , and a vapor 
> permeable fabric by it's nature of being permeable cannot be 100 percent 
> waterproof. 
>
>So to me, all arguments for a given philosophy are flawed no matter how 
> it's thought of . 
>
>There just isn't a perfect fabric . And while someone may say "it's 
> perfect for me" , they're really only settling for imperfection .  True 
> Perfection is infallible and Absolute.  Not found in a material world , no 
> matter all the "man" made inventions that have been are are to be . 
>
>  So what's the solution of all solutions , Absolute ?   It's not found 
> at all  . . .  . in fact inventions and searching only confirm a belief it 
> is not already Present !  Yes . . . . Present and at Hand . 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
Can anyone report on riding longer distances in rain wearing wool? I find
that wool jerseys stretch even when worn dry: mine grow an inch or more in
length after several hours of wearing. I wonder if a wool jersey ridden in
the rain would act somewhat like a cotton T shirt in this regard?

Me, after an initial impulse to abjure all synthetic jerseys, am glad I
kept most of them, since now with afternoon humidity soaring into the 30s
or more, and temperatures in the mid 90s, wool is icky (technical term of
the art). So is plastic, but it's not as icky. (Icky factor of .73, with
wool being 1.00.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar 



On 07/29/2015 02:01 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
It's perhaps worth repeating for those new to the rainwear discussion 
since we last had it that "breathable" waterproof/repellent modern 
fabrics worn at aerobic levels of activity (regardless of outside 
temperature) rapidly feel like wet trash bags inside because they can 
not keep up with the amount of vapor the body puts off (and can't 
handle liquid sweat at all) so it rapidly because just as wet on the 
inside as if nothing was worn. Ventile, on the other hand, breathes 
like a cotton t-shirt does, and if it has a layer of "cotton analogy" 
that uses capilary action to push vapor AND liquids out, it stays 
stunningly dry with high levels of activity even in day long pouring 
conditions. This is critical when the temps are in the 20-60˚F range.



Ventile is great.  Only thing is, Ventile's pretty hot to wear when it's 
70 degrees or above.



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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Garth 

 Ventile is not completely 100 percent waterproof. It's also bulky , 
not exactly small packing if packable at all. 

  So called waterproof *and* breathable fabrics only exist as relatives .  
A truly 100 percent waterproof fabric won't "breathe" , and a vapor 
permeable fabric by it's nature of being permeable cannot be 100 percent 
waterproof. 

   So to me, all arguments for a given philosophy are flawed no matter how 
it's thought of . 

   There just isn't a perfect fabric . And while someone may say "it's 
perfect for me" , they're really only settling for imperfection .  True 
Perfection is infallible and Absolute.  Not found in a material world , no 
matter all the "man" made inventions that have been are are to be . 

 So what's the solution of all solutions , Absolute ?   It's not found 
at all  . . .  . in fact inventions and searching only confirm a belief it 
is not already Present !  Yes . . . . Present and at Hand . 

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick 
It's perhaps worth repeating for those new to the rainwear discussion since 
we last had it that "breathable" waterproof/repellent modern fabrics worn 
at aerobic levels of activity (regardless of outside temperature) rapidly 
feel like wet trash bags inside because they can not keep up with the 
amount of vapor the body puts off (and can't handle liquid sweat at all) so 
it rapidly because just as wet on the inside as if nothing was worn. 
Ventile, on the other hand, breathes like a cotton t-shirt does, and if it 
has a layer of "cotton analogy" that uses capilary action to push vapor AND 
liquids out, it stays stunningly dry with high levels of activity even in 
day long pouring conditions. This is critical when the temps are in the 
20-60˚F range.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:50:43 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> +1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric 
> feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a 
> well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread David Spranger 
I use the breathable raincoat and pants from J&G cyclewear 
(http://www.bicycleclothing.com/) . They keep me dry when cool to cold and 
rainy. I don't mess with rain gear in the warmer months. 

A big plug for the protection this gear has given me. I was hit hard in a 
hit-and-run incident earlier this year. All my clothes, including the rain 
gear, were cut off my body when the rescue team showed up. Though I had 
many broken bones, everyone in the know commented on my lack of nearly any 
road rash or skin abrasions. I give a lot of credit to the fabric that J&G 
(USA made) uses.

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
I used the waxed cotton Carradice (not Brooks) rain cape for a summer
monsoon season of commuting here in ABQ, NM and found it too heavy and hot.
Perhaps the Brooks is lighter? I find that the cheap Campmore flaps more
but isn't as hot. Temps here are usually in the upper 70s to mid 80s during
a rain -- once the sun goes behind the clouds the temperature can drop 10+
degrees.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> +1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric
> feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a
> well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).
>
> BB
>
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 10:15:54 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because
>> of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and
>>> bright orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very
>>> expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for
>>> and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream
>>> attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Kim 
Essentially, yes. The other reasons were that I wanted a jacket that could 
fold into its own pocket, and the POC was more of a club/road riding 
jacket, and got cool very quickly. This was a problem in colder seasons, 
which is when I sold it. Now that it's summer, I wish I never sold it. 
Lesson learned.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
+1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric 
feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a 
well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).

BB

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 10:15:54 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because 
> of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and 
>> bright orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
>> expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
>> and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
>> attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick 
I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because 
of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and bright 
> orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
> expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
> and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
> attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Kim 
Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and bright 
orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-28 Thread Lungimsam 
For warm weather rain riding, I'm almost at the point where I want to wear Keen 
waterproof sandals and just get wet everywhere else. Throw a shower cap on the 
Brooks and just change clothes when I get home. Though I will say that so far 
my Gore Tech shoe covers worked well on the last rain ride I was on.

I also sweat too much under rainwear. The last poncho ride I took had my hands 
getting caught up in the poncho while moving hands around on the drops. 
Dangerous. After the 25? Mile ride I was soaked anyway, saddle wet too as I 
kept finding myself sitting on the tail of the poncho.

So I am thinking Keen waterproof sandals, shower cap on Brooks. Wool clothes 
can be changed when I get home. Everyone else I saw riding that day was in 
regular clothes looking like they didn't mind the soaking.
As for wet weather in the cold months, you'll have to ask a Randonneur. I 
haven't figured that one out yet.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
I'm from the San Francisco bay area so I don't know if I have enough 
credibility to offer my suggestion. Nevertheless, we do have about a month 
or two of cold (almost freezing to high 40°F) rain during the winter months 
(or at least expect to have; didn't happen last season). It is also 
pertinent to state that our rain here isn't tropical-heavy. It is 
consistently light-to-moderate and light winds can be expected. I should 
also state that my regular wet-weather bike have full fenders, front and 
rear.

I too have all sorts of high-tech jackets and pants but like others have 
similarly found, it's your own sweat that'll do you in. Even the vaulted 
Showers Pass jackets with the pit zips didn't really do it for me. What I 
found works best is a bike poncho. I had a crappy semi-disposable one that 
I used as proof-of-concept and when that worked, I splurged on the 
Rivendell's Grunden  version 
(even bought the hat ).

To be clear, you'll look like a dork dressed in the "flying tent". But 
you'll be a dry dork. Most of the time, I don't even have to cover my 
Brooks saddle because the poncho keeps everything dry, even at traffic 
lights. And even though a poncho isn't airy like nothing at all, it's still 
noticeably better than any GoreTex jacket I have. You may need waterproof 
boots if you ride faster than about 10 or 12mph. I think the Rivendell 
splats  and shinguards 
 are intended as companion 
devices, but I just put on my Showers Pass pants 
 and shoe covers 
 to avoid 
diving deeper into dorkdom.

You can wear your normal clothes over all these, and it doesn't take 10 
minutes to degown from your super-hardman outfit when you're at your 
destination. As a bonus, you will also have a ready halloween costume as 
the Gorton fisherman or Paddington bear (don't ask). Don't underestimate 
this as we'll be in October tomorrow. ;)

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro 
What I wear varies with the temperature.  If it's warm enough for shorts and a 
T-shirt and sandals, I use a rain cape.  Sail be damned, it's cool enough.  If 
it's shorts & jacket weather, a rain jacket (Burley) with pit zips.  If it's 
colder than that, I add rain pants.  There are son lovely high-tech products, 
but I'm poor and cheap.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Michael Hechmer 
On the other side of the continent I agree.  The real problem isn't staying 
dry, it's not overheating.  In commuting it's always best to start out 
feeling chilly.  In warm, rainy weather I finally decided a simple wool 
jersey was best.  When it got cooler having a light wool jacket strapped to 
my Barley Bag was appreciated.  Down in the 40s or below I liked my well 
ventilated Rain Showers II jacket.

Michael

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:18:30 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of 
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley 
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped 
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual 
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
> if needed. 
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain 
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Matt Beebe 
Wool flannel shirts, wool undewear and socks.Twill dries fairly quickly 
compared to other cotton, so it's OK for pants.   I don't like any kind of 
'shell' jackets because i find them suffocating no matter how many vents 
you add, so I'd rather just be wet and wearing wool.   Shells are OK for 
camping, or when you're not moving anymore after a ride.   Also I find that 
regular moccasin type boat shoes, since they're kinda minimal, dry quickly 
too.



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>
> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Steve Palincsar 

On 09/30/2014 06:34 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
+1 for ventile. If Rivendell's offering isn't your thing, I highly 
recommend Hilltrek in Scotland. Brilliant stuff that works and is 
hearty and withstands deluges, wind, etc. Get their Cotton Analogy for 
the most waterproof/breathable option in existence (I've tried nearly 
all the concepts out there). I own and love this: 
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html, 
but if you don't need the side zips and extra pockets, then this is 
less coinage:

http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html
Ventile/Cotton Analogy breathes nearly as well as your cotton shirt 
(because it is untreated cotton) but water does not get through. The 
liner in the cotton analogy mimics fur, using capillary action to 
force any and all moisture away from your body, including sweat (not 
just vapor, but liquid). Brilliant stuff!


Ventile is great when it's chilly out.  Definitely not for a summer rain 
when it's 80 or 90 degrees out, though.



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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Ron Mc 
I have the highest tech, lightest weight Gortex 3 technical shell and it 
works great, just not on a bike.  I was wearing it between buildings in a 
monsoon at a client's plant last week.  
On a bike you want a bike-specific poncho - you need that tent factor to 
have moving air and keep you cool.  I give a big thumbs-up to Vaude 
Valdipino poncho.  

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:18:30 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of 
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley 
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped 
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual 
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
> if needed. 
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain 
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Deacon Patrick 
+1 for ventile. If Rivendell's offering isn't your thing, I highly 
recommend Hilltrek in Scotland. Brilliant stuff that works and is hearty 
and withstands deluges, wind, etc. Get their Cotton Analogy for the most 
waterproof/breathable option in existence (I've tried nearly all the 
concepts out there). I own and love this: 
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html, 
but if you don't need the side zips and extra pockets, then this is less 
coinage:
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html
Ventile/Cotton Analogy breathes nearly as well as your cotton shirt 
(because it is untreated cotton) but water does not get through. The liner 
in the cotton analogy mimics fur, using capillary action to force any and 
all moisture away from your body, including sweat (not just vapor, but 
liquid). Brilliant stuff!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Chris Chen 
Seconded to "underdressing" when wearing any rain gear.

My J&G jacket has done wonders, is made in Oregon, but it's about two (or
three?) years old so I'm looking to replace it. I rarely wear rain pants,
but often quick-dry fabrics and wool (which stays comfy even when it gets
damp) are super handy.

You might get into a cape, but just be aware that capes don't breathe at
all either, and they're effectively sails, so...

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer,
> if needed.
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2014-09-30 Thread Jay Lonner 
Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
my take, after many years of commuting by bike.

I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.

It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of ventilation 
options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley used to 
make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped production. I've 
heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual successor to Burley, 
but I've never owned one myself.

Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
time.

For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
if needed. 

I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain than 
I do when the weather is hot and humid.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-19 Thread Tony 
Me too Liesl for the Carradice poncho. I bought mine at RBW a few years 
ago, before they designed their own. I was using the Carradice spats with 
it, but never liked the way the tops would keep moving below my knees as I 
rode. So, this winter it'll be Splats and ShinShields. One thing about 
capes/ponchos is that they cover handlebar-mounted lights. I have a 
generator light now mounted in front of my Nitto Mini rack and all is right 
with the world.

Tony

On Monday, September 17, 2012 11:08:07 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will 
> give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything 
> under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all 
> under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
>
> liesl
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-19 Thread john 
In my opinion, keeping warm while riding in the wet is more important than 
keeping dry. In fact, keeping dry, in really wet weather (be it from 
perspiration or leaks in fabric) is impossible, regardless of what any 
manufacturers say. That's why wool is such a great fabric: one tends to 
stay warm, even when wet. Therefore, I try to think of the temperature, 
rather than the moisture content in the sky, when choosing my apparel. (I 
live in Portland, OR, where it can be colder than many people imagine it to 
be! Winter time riding could be as balmy as 50 degrees F. or as cold as 20 
degrees F. Quite a difference! Usually, this means layers of wool, combined 
with "waterproof" shell material. I have been very impressed with two 
jacket manufacturers: Burley (alas, no longer made) and Showers Pass. 

Since my legs seldom get cold while riding, I don't often wear rain pants. 
When I do, any cheap old pair will do. The cheaper, the better, actually. 
If it's wet enough to wear rain pants, overheating doesn't much matter.

Hands, head, and feet are important considerations, also. I ride clipless, 
so my feet get wet. Keeping them warm is a challenge. I use either old wool 
stocks with cleat holes cut out, which I wear over my shoes, or neoprene 
booties over my shoes. Both do a good job of keeping my feet warmer. 
Nothing will keep them dry. Why bother?

Hands: wool gloves with half finger cycling gloves over them for snug fit 
and grip on the bars. It's got to be really cold and wet before I wish for 
more protection.

Head: a wool bike cap or wood beanie under my helmet. I don't use a helmet 
cover. I do use a rain jacket hood when it's really wet, but I prefer not 
to most often, because it hinders my visibility and hearing.

In the end, Iust embrace the wet season, realize it may be uncomfortable, 
and relish the days when it is not.

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:55:57 AM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:
>
> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-19 Thread Hoffsta 
I am the type to ride very vigorously everywhere I go. I have yet to find 
rain gear that doesn't leave me overheated and soaked in sweat no matter 
the outside temps. I'd love to hear from other high output riders who have 
found success.

Sean
Eugene, OR

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-19 Thread Nathan Lee 
To add to this:
I have a Mission Workshop and have used it pretty successfully for 2 rainy 
seasons or so. Recently took it on a tour from SF to LA riding solo/ultra 
light/motel camping. I caught 1 day of 4 hours of rain and had no soak 
through. I was also much happier at times using the jacket as an extra 
layer - March riding was not the warmest along the coast and some of the 
winds were chilling. I got into a really fantastic habit of unzipping the 
jacket while riding uphill, pausing at the top for a few seconds to zip up 
the vents for extra aero-ness and descending down.

A few things to note:
The jacket is NOT MUSA. It is however, Canadian made, and in the old 
Arc'Teryx factory which I've heard, doesn't see much Arc'Teryx gear 
nowadays (as with many companies, they shifted production to China). The 
finishing/detailing is fantastic on the jacket - it is both sewn then seam 
taped. The material is some rather costly stuff, Schoeller C_Change, which 
is marketed wind/waterproof and is a semi permeable membrane that opens its 
pores to regulate temperature (i.e. if it's cold inside the jacket, it'll 
close the pores, if it's warm, then it'll open up the pores.) The jacket 
doesn't seem to bead off water as easily as it used to, however it doesn't 
soak through at all (and it dries at a decently fast rate.)

High high marks for this jacket - wear it on a day to day basis for my city 
commute and am more than happy to throw it in my handlebar bag for long 
rainy rides. Wish it packed down smaller, but most ultralight/rain jackets 
don't have the breathability/vent zips I need to be comfortable anyway.

Another jacket + pants system I'd recommend checking out is Cadence 
Cycling's collaboration with 686. They did a pretty fantastic job thinking 
about a cyclists' needs and how to design some great gear. I was VERY close 
to buying one but opted to just stick with my MW jacket:
http://cadencecollection.myshopify.com/collections/products/products/barrier-jacket



On Saturday, September 15, 2012 5:04:36 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Mission Work shop makes a very nice if expensive rain jacket.  The regular 
> is very light.  They make one ultra-light for extra dollars.  The jacket is 
> made out of a water proof fabric that moves well with the body.  Three 
> pockets in front, one well hidden pocket inback.  It has vent zips. 
>  MUSAtoo.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-19 Thread pam 
I like the 02 jacket.  I like the one with the hood.  My old one got stolen 
out of my pannier then I got a North Face jacket with DWR but I sweat too 
much and I'm just wet from the inside even with pit zips.  Now I'm going to 
wear my husband's 02 jacket.  Light, cheap and it works.  

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:55:57 PM UTC-4, tragicallyaverage wrote:
>
> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-18 Thread René Sterental 
I'm trying the Brooks rain cap this year. Got it as a present... and am
hoping to ride it with tail winds!!!

René

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Ron MH  wrote:

> I too live and ride in Portland all year and I second Beth's
> recommendation of Rain Legs; great outside the body water protection, they
> pack up very small, and great protection from over heating, so no
> "internal" moisture problems.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-18 Thread Ron MH 
I too live and ride in Portland all year and I second Beth's recommendation of 
Rain Legs; great outside the body water protection, they pack up very small, 
and great protection from over heating, so no "internal" moisture problems. 

Ron

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-18 Thread Lyle Bogart 
That's a good question, Michael! I don't have numeric temperature feedback
to give but: when I was living in Tacoma, Washington I would wear the
jacket while riding during heavy downpours in the summer and, of course,
all winter long. Out here in mid-coast Maine, I can't really wear any
jacket in the middle of summer and still ride "vigorously;" it's just too
humid for that. That said, I feel that the J&G jackets vent very well.

I hope this helps,

lyle

On 18 September 2012 07:49, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Looks really interesting.  What is the upper range of temperature you can
> wear this without quickly overheating?
>
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2012 2:16:40 PM UTC-4, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>
>> I really like the rain jacket from these folks:
>>
>> http://www.bicycleclothing.**com/Waterproof-Breathable-**
>> Rain-Jackets.html
>>
>> I've an old pair of rain pants (REI maybe?) but am replacing those this
>> autumn with their rain pants:
>>
>> http://www.bicycleclothing.**com/Waterproof-Breathable-**Rain-Pants.html
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> lyle
>>
>>  On 17 September 2012 14:08, Liesl  wrote:
>>
>>> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain
>>> will give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping
>>> everything under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear
>>> anything at all under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Hechmer 
Looks really interesting.  What is the upper range of temperature you can 
wear this without quickly overheating?

On Monday, September 17, 2012 2:16:40 PM UTC-4, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I really like the rain jacket from these folks:
>
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
>
> I've an old pair of rain pants (REI maybe?) but am replacing those this 
> autumn with their rain pants:
>
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Pants.html
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
> On 17 September 2012 14:08, Liesl > wrote:
>
>> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will 
>> give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything 
>> under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all 
>> under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
>>
>> liesl
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread [email protected] 
I use Sealskinz socks over wool socks in Shimano clipless sandals here in 
rainy Vancouver; Showers pass and Rivendell's luxurious bright orange 
rainpants ( have been told " You look just like Kraft Macaroni and 
Cheese"); layers of merino wool and merino tights under MUSA shorts; a dick 
hat under the hood or helmet to keep my glasses kinda dry.

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:55:57 AM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:
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> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread Stonehog 
I have and like both, as well as the helmet cover. They are built well, MUSA, 
and rely on large hidden vents instead of "breathable" fabric. I've worn the 
combo on a rain/snow 35 degree 200k this spring and only had wet hands.   

For light Seattle rain for my 10mile commute, I just use a shell vest or wool. 
And fenders...

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA 

On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Lyle Bogart  wrote:

> I really like the rain jacket from these folks:
> 
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
> 
> I've an old pair of rain pants (REI maybe?) but am replacing those this 
> autumn with their rain pants:
> 
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Pants.html
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> lyle
> 
> On 17 September 2012 14:08, Liesl  wrote:
> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will 
> give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything 
> under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all 
> under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread charlie 
Thanks for the link Lyle..this looks like a great place for me to get 
proper sized shorts and pants for bicycling too.

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> I really like the rain jacket from these folks:
>
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
>
> I've an old pair of rain pants (REI maybe?) but am replacing those this 
> autumn with their rain pants:
>
> http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Pants.html
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
> On 17 September 2012 14:08, Liesl > wrote:
>
>> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will 
>> give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything 
>> under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all 
>> under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread Lyle Bogart 
I really like the rain jacket from these folks:

http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html

I've an old pair of rain pants (REI maybe?) but am replacing those this
autumn with their rain pants:

http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Pants.html

Cheers!

lyle

On 17 September 2012 14:08, Liesl  wrote:

> I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will
> give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything
> under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all
> under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread Liesl 
I do like my Carradice Poncho even though several miles in hard rain will 
give me damp shoulders.  The cape is like a bike tent keeping everything 
under it, bags and all,  relatively dry.  And you can wear anything at all 
under it.  I particularly like it in sleet and slushy snow.

liesl

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread Scot Brooks 
Nothing like riding in Bean boots, Charlie! Maybe it's my Downeast upbringing 
talking, but it's the best!

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-17 Thread charlie 
I use the Showers Pass touring jacket and some rain paints I purchased at 
REI on sale for $80 (reg. $130). I use outdoor wear rubber "duck boots" 
when I know it will rain hard but admit that I try to avoid those days. 
http://www.llbean.com/llb/search?freeText=Duck+Boots&qs=3006414_pmd_google 
Your visibility is reduced in heavy rain and at night, two bad combos for 
survival. I usually use a long sleeve wool shirt from Riv and when its 
really cold and the same "tights" go under the rain pants. I'll put on my 
short sleeve wool shirt over the long one if its super cold. These allow 
good moisture management under the rain jacket. I have a thin wool cap I 
use for under my helmet when I ride in the dark. Socks (wool), gloves 
(wool) but they get wet in heavy rain..fortunately I haven't been 
caught in a real hard rain for more than a few minutes and haven't tested 
my set up in that way. I live in Washington State so it rains but usually 
its more of a constant drizzle or lighter rain rather than a monsoon. Heat 
control is more of an issue for me since I have quite a few hills to 
contend with making me want to unzip and remove layers one minute and the 
next minute put them back on. live and learn. I like the Schwalbe 
Supreme tires in the rain too by the way and have switched to Kool Stop 
brake pads because of the same wet climate. And my front flap goes to maybe 
one inch off the ground.this really helps keep my feet dry.

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> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-15 Thread Beth H 
What kind of rain gear depends greatly on where you live and how much you 
ride.

I'm a daily rider in Portland, OR and I ride all winter long.

I have been somewhat disappointed by Showers Pass, especially since they 
moved their manufacturing from Vietnam to China a few years ago. Quality 
control became inconsistent and the warranty policies became more 
unbending. I understand that a lot of their entry-level-priced items have 
undergone a redesign for 2013 but have not yet seen the new versions.

I am hanging onto my Burley Rock Point jacket for dear life. It's a better 
design than the SP touring jacket (which was basically a copy of the 
Burley) and the fabric and waterproofing have held upfor far longer. 
My friend's SP Touring jacket had issues six months in; by eight months in 
the waterproof zipper had frayed to failure and the seams were quite leaky. 
When he called SP to resolve the issues they said the jacket had to be 
washed every 4 to 6 weeks with a special soultion from NikWax -- something 
the hang tag hadn't made clear. They were willing to take the jacket in for 
inspection but could guarantee that they'd actually offer replacement, 
leaving my friend without a rain jacket in the meantime. In the end, my 
friend bought a J & G Breathable rain jacket online -- heavy-duty, 
comfortable and water-proof enough for daily riding in PDX. Also a bargain 
at $100 plus s+h. (J & G admits they purposely underprice this product to 
remain competitive, and they only sell it direct online.) He's had it for 
two years and it's still going strong.

For rainpants: On light-rain days where I'm jus dashing short spurts around 
town, I like Rainlegs. Easy on-off and very stowable, and plenty 
warterproof in light rain. For heavy rain, the water will drip down around 
the backside of the legs and get your pants wet. In that case, I switch to 
either my old Burley rain pants OR to my heavier-duty J & G Cyclewear 
Breathable rain pant. The former is okay for short commutes but so old that 
it eventually fails in a downpour. When I know it's going to rain 
bucketfuls I use the latter -- a little hot but plenty durable.

For foot coverage I'm fond of the RBW Splats for most city riding. They fit 
over most street shoes and are stowable; though the heavy waxed cotton 
takes more time to dry out between uses. SP shoe covers do seem to work 
pretty well, but you MUST take them off at your destination; if you walk 
around in them they will wear out much more quickly.

I don't use a helmet cover, preferring to wear a thin cycling cap under my 
helmet (cotton in summer, thin wool in fall/winter).

Ultimately, I think it's ideal to have rain wear that is SO good that you 
mostly *enjoy* riding in the rain. Even by February.

Beth in PDX

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:55:57 AM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:
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> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-15 Thread Ron Mc 
For those of us who like to keep a poncho stuffed away, I think Vaude makes 
certainly the best buy in cycle-specific ponchos.  
The trick is finding and/or getting one over here.  I ordered a pair from 
Dresden.  

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:55:57 PM UTC-5, tragicallyaverage wrote:
>
> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-15 Thread Michael Hechmer 
This is a tricky question; it's all temperature dependent.  If its 80+ I 
usually just ignore the rain.  Below that I have a light weight pearl izumi 
rain jacket, but it doesn't breath all that well.  If it's cool enough for 
arm warmers before it starts raining I really like an older Ibex shak 
jacket.  The wool breathes well and is pretty water resistant.  I think 
mine is lighter than the newer ones though.  Colder still and I switch to a 
Showers Pass, Elite 2.0.  But it definitely needs to be below 50 for that 
option.  If you read their fine print they say 65 and raining, and I 
suppose it would be OK at 60 or so, but I prefer the wool  However the 
Showers pass is nicely vented in the pits.  I find the Ibex & Showers pass 
together can take me down well below freezing.  I usually subtract 10 
degrees from the actual temperature when I'm dressing for rain.  One other 
good option is simply a double layer of wool shirts and a pair of tights.

The real challenge as the temperature drops turns out to be head and feet. 
 How to keep them warm without overheating?  Tricky.

Michael  

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:55:57 PM UTC-4, tragicallyaverage wrote:
>
> As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My 
> former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then 
> simply get soaked on my commutes. 
> I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season 
> approaches. Any suggestions or products that have worked well for anyone?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-15 Thread Matthew J 
Mission Work shop makes a very nice if expensive rain jacket.  The regular is 
very light.  They make one ultra-light for extra dollars.  The jacket is made 
out of a water proof fabric that moves well with the body.  Three pockets in 
front, one well hidden pocket inback.  It has vent zips.  MUSAtoo.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear?

2012-09-15 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv 

I'm quite happy with the $20 O2 jackets. They are extremely light
weight, breathable and 100% waterproof, and come either with or
without a hood. No pockets at all unfortunately.

Jay

On Sep 15, 1:11 pm, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> I've been pleased with a Shower's Pass touring jacket and some rain pants.
> You'll need a helmet cover and waterproof rain booties or splats for your
> shoes if you want to keep them dry as well. Depends on the kind of ride
> you're doing, as you can get soaked from sweat too.
>
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>
>
>
> > As the rainy season approaches, I've been motivated to keep myself dry. My
> > former method of riding in the rain was to ride a fendered bike, and then
> > simply get soaked on my commutes.
> > I'd like to attempt to stay as dry and comfy as the fall season
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