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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread Steven Frederick

I believe the "Riv Rally," refers to this list, the Riv list, since it was
organized for and by list members.  I can't imagine anyone being turned
away for lack of a particular brand of bike...

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Ablejack  wrote:

> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive
> rather than exclusive that's all.
> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean
> to insinuate that.
> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a
> ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:05:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
>> > Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever
>> > ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally.
>>
>> I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and
>> it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with
>> them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm
>> very glad I attended both.
>>
>>
>> >  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you
>> > to dilute the pretension.
>>
>> If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine
>> -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then
>> all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come
>> down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here?
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread Peter Pesce

Clearly "Riv" is an attitude as much as a brand. That is all that you are 
"required" to bring to a Riv ride!

Great job Bobby (and all the other riv-ish ride planners elsewhere)!

-Pete

On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:36:50 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Thanks, it's all good.  As long as I continue to be involved, Riv 
> Rally will always be Riv Rally (I promise), and it will remain open TO 
> ALL who embrace the Riv philosophy, REGARDLESS of whether you own a 
> Riv or some other bike.  In fact, at the next rally I plan to ride 
> either my '85 Stumpy, my 86 Cimarron or my 80-something Mongoose.  I'm 
> lucky to own some pretty awesome Non-RIV bikes, but I CAN tell you 
> (with no hesitation) that RBW has had a profound impact on how I built 
> up these bikes as well as fueling my passion for the bicycling 
> lifestyle, in general.  I suspect this is probably true of many Riv 
> owners. 
>
> I'm proud to be a Rivendell Owner, not just for owning and riding one 
> of their extraordinary bicycles, but also for embracing the Rivendell 
> philosophy of supporting all that is good and worthwhile in 
> bicycling. 
>
> Peace, 
> Bobby 
>
> On Apr 29, 11:51 am, Marc Irwin  wrote: 
> > I had a great time, thought Bobby did an amazing job putting this 
> together, 
> > 
> > > will be at the next one and don't see anything pretentious or 
> exclusive 
> > > about wanting to meet like minded people to hang out for a weekend! 
> > 
> > Marc

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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Just from chatting with the participants, I believe everyone on RRE 2012 could 
have ridden a perfectly suitable and very appealing non-Riv bike.  Maybe we 
need to do a non-Riv Riv Rally! 

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

Thanks, it's all good.  As long as I continue to be involved, Riv Rally will 
always be Riv Rally (I promise), and it will remain open TO ALL who embrace the 
Riv philosophy, REGARDLESS of whether you own a Riv or some other bike.  In 
fact, at the next rally I plan to ride either my '85 Stumpy, my 86 Cimarron or 
my 80-something Mongoose.  I'm lucky to own some pretty awesome Non-RIV bikes, 
but I CAN tell you (with no hesitation) that RBW has had a profound impact on 
how I built up these bikes as well as fueling my passion for the bicycling 
lifestyle, in general.  I suspect this is probably true of many Riv owners.

I'm proud to be a Rivendell Owner, not just for owning and riding one of their 
extraordinary bicycles, but also for embracing the Rivendell philosophy of 
supporting all that is good and worthwhile in bicycling.

Peace,
Bobby

On Apr 29, 11:51 am, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> I had a great time, thought Bobby did an amazing job putting this 
> together,
>
> > will be at the next one and don't see anything pretentious or 
> > exclusive about wanting to meet like minded people to hang out for a 
> > weekend!
>
> Marc

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-30 Thread ascpgh


Also for the commonality which can come from mutual appreciation of
cycling that Rivendell promotes among individuals.

> I'm proud to be a Rivendell Owner, not just for owning and riding one
> of their extraordinary bicycles, but also for embracing the Rivendell
> philosophy of supporting all that is good and worthwhile in bicycling.

Looking around now for a more conditions-capable ride than my current
"great pumpkin" (but not a replacement) lead me to seek input on 650b
wheel size benefits, they look like you can ride a wider tire with
less angular acceleration burdens than a 700c/29er. Looking over the
650b Kogswell and Atlantis on RRE '12 planted that seed. An e-mail
with Grant following several days of reading cleared this up by me
opinion; it answers no problems for me. Any frame I fit can be chosen
for clearance to run as wide a tire as I deem necessary.

That certainly clears the field somewhat.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Thanks, it's all good.  As long as I continue to be involved, Riv
Rally will always be Riv Rally (I promise), and it will remain open TO
ALL who embrace the Riv philosophy, REGARDLESS of whether you own a
Riv or some other bike.  In fact, at the next rally I plan to ride
either my '85 Stumpy, my 86 Cimarron or my 80-something Mongoose.  I'm
lucky to own some pretty awesome Non-RIV bikes, but I CAN tell you
(with no hesitation) that RBW has had a profound impact on how I built
up these bikes as well as fueling my passion for the bicycling
lifestyle, in general.  I suspect this is probably true of many Riv
owners.

I'm proud to be a Rivendell Owner, not just for owning and riding one
of their extraordinary bicycles, but also for embracing the Rivendell
philosophy of supporting all that is good and worthwhile in
bicycling.

Peace,
Bobby

On Apr 29, 11:51 am, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> I had a great time, thought Bobby did an amazing job putting this together,
>
> > will be at the next one and don't see anything pretentious or exclusive
> > about wanting to meet like minded people to hang out for a weekend!
>
> Marc

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-29 Thread Marc Irwin



I had a great time, thought Bobby did an amazing job putting this together, 
> will be at the next one and don't see anything pretentious or exclusive 
> about wanting to meet like minded people to hang out for a weekend!


Marc 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 13:40 -0700, Philip Williamson wrote:
> I think the Riv Rally is a fantastic idea, and I'm amazed at Bobby's ability 
> to bring an idea like that to fruition. I associate it in my mind with 
> classic auto rallies, like the Austin Healey rally that came through my town 
> a few years ago, or the dozens of MGs I saw on my drive down the East side of 
> the Sierras last Summer. As an outsider, I thought that was cool. I talked to 
> one guy on the AH rally who was driving something else, but he came out to 
> see his friends and the countryside. I used to be into hearses, and the 
> Professional Car Socieuses would put on rallies and meets. I didn't consider 
> it pretentious - it was a way to meet people you only knew online, check out 
> their amazing stuff, and do something together. 


Absolutely, Bobby has done a fantastic job.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Philip Williamson

I think the Riv Rally is a fantastic idea, and I'm amazed at Bobby's ability to 
bring an idea like that to fruition. I associate it in my mind with classic 
auto rallies, like the Austin Healey rally that came through my town a few 
years ago, or the dozens of MGs I saw on my drive down the East side of the 
Sierras last Summer. As an outsider, I thought that was cool. I talked to one 
guy on the AH rally who was driving something else, but he came out to see his 
friends and the countryside. I used to be into hearses, and the Professional 
Car Socieuses would put on rallies and meets. I didn't consider it pretentious 
- it was a way to meet people you only knew online, check out their amazing 
stuff, and do something together. 
I won't apologize for making auto connections in a bike forum, since I think 
it's a valid comparison. We are into something that's outside the mainstream, 
and we have every right to celebrate it and enjoy it, come together and share 
it. 
I got great vicarious pleasure out of both the past Riv Rallies, and hope they 
continue.

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Rusty

Bobby,

Thanks again for putting this Riv Rally East ver. 2012 together.  I'm glad 
the weather held off, and that you all got to see one of my favorite 
sections of the GAP.   Ed and I were sorry to have missed this years ride, 
but have read the posts and viewed the great pics that have been posted. 
 Ed liked the new blue version of his Surly LHT that was there, and I was 
admiring all the different Rivs in attendance.  

Like minded, friendly folks, enjoying a great ride.  What could be wrong 
with that!  Can't wait to hear about next years plans.

Cheers,

Rusty (Pittsburgh)






On Monday, April 23, 2012 10:21:12 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. 
>
> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as 
> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH, 
> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross- 
> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, 
> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... 
> what a variety!! 
>
> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, 
> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful 
> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up 
> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were 
> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the 
> local weather forecast. 
>
> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the 
> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads 
> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking 
> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels 
> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The 
> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but 
> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not 
> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs 
> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of 
> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early 
> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into 
> Confluence, our stayover destination). 
>
> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage 
> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage 
> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to 
> ride through.  Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the 
> Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us 
> it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the "downside"). 
>
> The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short 
> spritz, but no rain as had been predicted.  The scenery along the 
> trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the 
> Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were 
> spectacular.  As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, 
> and we began to follow the river more closely.  As Confluence loomed a 
> mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to 
> the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a 
> miserable headwind with steady rain.  This is the first time I had to 
> stop and actually put on my rain gear.  But once inside the house, we 
> dried quickly and forgot all about the rain.  Our hosts were very 
> accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town 
> to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' 
> accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer 
> the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. 
>
> Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good 
> riding conditions.  After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local 
> breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John 
> Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned 
> to split into 2 days.  The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, 
> so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday 
> morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear 
> how they made out. 
>
> Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP 
> trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters).  We had arranged for a 
> tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as 
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) 
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding 
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caug

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Brian Campbell

When is the next Rally in the east? I am just outside Philadelphia and 
missed this ride. I just joined the list about a month ago.


>
> --
> *From:* Minh 
> *Sent:* Sat Apr 28 09:41:33 CDT 2012
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather 
> Debacle!
>  
> I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, 
> but i think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell 
> Owners Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a 
> Rivendell.  In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it 
> through the list, but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have 
> a Riv to ride.  We could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't 
> capture how we all met--which is through the Riv owners group.  
>
> As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of 
> bike, but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that 
> they were all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the 
> ride required that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In 
> fact i found it interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which 
> are not made anymore so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 
> minutes of ogling and looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and 
> focused on getting to know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for 
> all of us to meet.  
>
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:
>>
>> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
>> rather than exclusive that's all. 
>> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not 
>> mean to insinuate that. 
>> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on 
>> a ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
>> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel 
>> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
>> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
>> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Bruce Herbitter

And Minh, compared to crabon plastique bikes by many paceline weekend riders,  
riv and riv style build bikes are much less expensive. Compare a Sam to a 
Madone or Dogma for instance.

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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From: Minh 
Sent: Sat Apr 28 09:41:33 CDT 2012
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!


I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, but i 
think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell Owners 
Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a Rivendell.  
In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it through the list, 
but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have a Riv to ride.  We 
could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't capture how we all 
met--which is through the Riv owners group.  


As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of bike, 
but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that they were 
all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the ride required 
that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In fact i found it 
interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which are not made anymore 
so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 minutes of ogling and 
looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and focused on getting to 
know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for all of us to meet.  



On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:

I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive rather 
than exclusive that's all. 

I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean to 
insinuate that. 

There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.

I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel having a 
fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.

I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.

/Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread ascpgh

I can't think of anything more "pretentious" than a group of riders
dressed and outfitted alike for a club ride on a Tuesday evening;
carbon fiber this or that, twelve spoke wheels, alien-looking
cranksets, garish graphics and matching team kit Lycra.

Funny how a make developed from utility and the material of choice
being one least destructive to the environment and beneficial in
qualities in use would be accused of being the opposite of
egalitarian. Reminds me of the writer wondering about all the carbon
fiber bikes in Manhattan. I am amused that my bike, held together with
brazed lugs and with the vertical tubes a different color than the
others equates pretense. In the face of all of the aerospace
technology CF rigs sporting garish graphics and component sets more
expensive than my first three cars I don't see it that way.

But what do I know is that I was there, carried all my needs for a
couple days on my bike with temps between 81 and 32, sunny skies to
overcast and rain. Pretense to be prepared? That wasn't my first bike
ride and all I came with was a product of past, or egalitarian
experiences. But then that collected experience gives me the knowledge
and respect not to walk into a biker bar and berate Harley Davidsons
for being playtoys of the affluent. An opinion which discretion ought
to curb one from voicing, no matter what you chose to ride in on,
until you are not likely to offend the collected group who share a
different one.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

On Apr 27, 1:17 pm, Ablejack  wrote:
> > Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I
> > really hate the idea of a Riv Rally.
>
>  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to
> dilute the pretension.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Minh

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there was nothing implied, 
but i think you're reading into the title too much.  This is a Rivendell 
Owners Group, but there is no requirement that you have to own or ride a 
Rivendell.  In the same way it was a Riv Rally because we organized it 
through the list, but never at any point did anyone say you needed to have 
a Riv to ride.  We could have called it the GAP 12 ride, but that doesn't 
capture how we all met--which is through the Riv owners group.  

As Steve points out, by nature of the ride Rivs were the natural type of 
bike, but other bikes showed up, and the over-riding commonality was that 
they were all built up in a similiar way (because the route/nature of the 
ride required that), but no-one said anything about the non-riv bikes.  In 
fact i found it interesting to see a Surly built up or a Kogswell (which 
are not made anymore so it's rare for me to see one).  After the first 20 
minutes of ogling and looking over the bikes i think everyone just rode and 
focused on getting to know everyone.  The bikes just 'broke the ice' for 
all of us to meet.  

On Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:45:22 AM UTC-4, Ablejack wrote:
>
> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
> rather than exclusive that's all. 
> I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean 
> to insinuate that. 
> There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
> ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel 
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 22:45 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
> I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive
> rather than exclusive that's all. 

We were indeed inclusive.  Last year there were in addition to several
Rivendells, a Trek and a Gunnar.  This year in addition to several
Rivendells there were a Surly and a Kogswell.  Any "exclusivity" is
strictly in your perception, not in reality.

> I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel
> having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.

The rally was open to all on this list, and no requirements for bikes
have ever been posted, except for the obvious needs that if you're going
to be riding on gravel you need a bike suitable for doing so, and if
you're going to be carrying gear for an overnight you need a bike
suitable for that.

> I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
> /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.

There is indeed a whole lot to like about the Great Allegheny Passage,
and especially about the towns it goes through.   The Greenbrier River
Trail in West Virginia is similar, although not nearly as long and the
top 1/2 inch of surface is a lot looser, but there are few towns along
the way; and the one I stayed at (famous for the "Roadkill Cookoff") is
sorely deficient in terms of food compared to the likes of Confluence,
which has both top notch pizza and the justly famous Three Sisters.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Ablejack

I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive 
rather than exclusive that's all. 
I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean 
to insinuate that. 
There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a 
ride. No problem, ride whatever you want.
I just didn't like the idea that on a "Riv Rally" someone might feel having 
a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group.
I suppose "pretension" was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry.
/Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America.

On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:05:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote: 
> > Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever 
> > ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 
>
> I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and 
> it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with 
> them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm 
> very glad I attended both. 
>
>
> >  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you 
> > to dilute the pretension. 
>
> If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine 
> -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then 
> all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come 
> down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here? 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Hechmer

I think it's great having Riv Rally East.  Unfortunately, I already have 
three weekends committed in the late March & early April time frame,  so 
does my wife.  We have been unable to attend either year.  It would be 
easier if this event were a little later, like the first weekend in May, or 
maybe the weekend after Mothers Day.  It all makes me dream of holding a NE 
Riv Rally, here in northern VT.

BTW,  This isn't so much a recovery support group as it is an addicts club.

Michael

On Monday, April 23, 2012 10:21:12 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. 
>
> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as 
> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH, 
> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross- 
> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, 
> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... 
> what a variety!! 
>
> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, 
> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful 
> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up 
> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were 
> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the 
> local weather forecast. 
>
> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the 
> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads 
> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking 
> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels 
> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The 
> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but 
> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not 
> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs 
> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of 
> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early 
> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into 
> Confluence, our stayover destination). 
>
> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage 
> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage 
> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to 
> ride through.  Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the 
> Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us 
> it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the "downside"). 
>
> The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short 
> spritz, but no rain as had been predicted.  The scenery along the 
> trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the 
> Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were 
> spectacular.  As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, 
> and we began to follow the river more closely.  As Confluence loomed a 
> mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to 
> the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a 
> miserable headwind with steady rain.  This is the first time I had to 
> stop and actually put on my rain gear.  But once inside the house, we 
> dried quickly and forgot all about the rain.  Our hosts were very 
> accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town 
> to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' 
> accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer 
> the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. 
>
> Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good 
> riding conditions.  After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local 
> breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John 
> Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned 
> to split into 2 days.  The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, 
> so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday 
> morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear 
> how they made out. 
>
> Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP 
> trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters).  We had arranged for a 
> tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as 
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) 
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding 
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in 
> bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice. 
>
> I could go on and on about this week

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote:
> Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever
> ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 

I'm sorry you feel that way.  There are some very nice folks here, and
it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with
them.  This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm
very glad I attended both.


>  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you
> to dilute the pretension.

If you mean "tension in advance of the potentially severe weather" fine
-- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then
all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us.  In fact, come
down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here?



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread RJM

I like to think of them as a riv-esque rally.
.
On Friday, April 27, 2012 12:17:56 PM UTC-5, Ablejack wrote:

> Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I 
>> really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 
>
>  Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to 
> dilute the pretension.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-27 Thread Ablejack


>
> Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I 
> really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. 

 Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to 
dilute the pretension.
 

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread AndyBikeman

Hope this link works for my FlickR photo page.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79434836@N04/

On Apr 24, 5:15 pm, Thomas Nezovich  wrote:
> John Philip provides this link that shows some snow shots:    
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/sets/72157629525386656/
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Thomas Nezovich wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bobby and others,  not all the Riv Rally East participants escaped the 
> > weather but we would have had we not ridden on Monday.  John Philip and my 
> > plans originally were to ride with the group to Connellsvile and bid them 
> > good by and turn around for our B&B reservation in Rockwood.  With the bad 
> > weather predicted we decided to go no farther west than the Saturday 
> > destination of Confluence.  We breakfasted with the group and while they 
> > went farther west, we headed back east to Rockwood.  We managed to make the 
> > 20 miles there last nearly three hours.  Rockwood is small and not much was 
> > open on a Sunday.  We ate a couple of times at the Opera House and at 
> > supper a fellow who operates the Opera House and the Hostel on Main gave us 
> > a tour to the hostel.  It is very nice and inexpensive.  The Rockwood Trail 
> > House B&B is nicer ( but more expensive) and I've stayed there before.  We 
> > spent much time watching weather TV and scanning weather sites on computer 
> > and knew we were in for some snow.
>
> > We awoke to a slight covering of wet snow and around 34 degrees.  Light 
> > snow was falling:  not too bad.  After a great breakfast we left expecting 
> > it to be worse when we got higher near the Divide.  It did get gradually 
> > snowier and windier.  The stretch between Meyersdale and Deal to the Divide 
> > was very snowey with probably 6 inches of snow on the ground.  It was very 
> > slow going in the snow:  5 or 6 mph with moderate falling snow but a tail 
> > wind.  Curiously, when we got through the Big Savage Mountain tunnel there 
> > was much less snow on the ground, less falling out of the sky and different 
> > winds.  The snow soon disappeared,  the trail was gravel again and the tail 
> > wind returned.  Our new problem then was we were cold.  The little 
> > downgrade allowed us to make 14 to 16 mph on the way back to Cumberland but 
> > we were pretty damp from the efforts to reach the tunnel.  We made it back 
> > to the cars and managed to enjoy it and make it back home the same day.
>
> > I had some concerns about ride Hetres in the snow but they were not too 
> > bad.  The snow riding was slow and level or slightly up hill though. The 
> > snow was gone by the time we were zipping downhill.
>
> > As Manny says, "Pictures prove it happened", but you will need to wait for 
> > John Philip's post because I forgot my camera.
> > On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> >> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip
> >> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's
> >> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a
> >> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the
> >> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail.
>
> >> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as
> >> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH,
> >> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross-
> >> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen,
> >> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet...
> >> what a variety!!
>
> >> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland,
> >> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful
> >> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up
> >> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were
> >> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the
> >> local weather forecast.
>
> >> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the
> >> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads
> >> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking
> >> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels
> >> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The
> >> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but
> >> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not
> >> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs
> >> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of
> >> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early
> >> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into
> >> Confluence, our stayover destination).
>
> >> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage
> >> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage
> >> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, an

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Andy:

Fortunately there IS help... We have a support group, called the RBW
Owners Forum... where those with similar addictions support each other
(or at least fuel these addictions with photos, stories, items for
sale, and always pointing out the latest and greatest stuff available
from RBW)...

Lean on us, brother... together we'll take this one pedal-stroke at a
time.

Peace,
BB

On Apr 26, 11:02 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Resistance is futile.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ascpgh
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:44 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
>
> I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the 
> wilderness last weekend.
>
> I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze- ons, a 
> kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The symptoms of my 
> illness seems to have come back after ten years remission.
>
> ANDY
> Pittsburgh
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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Resistance is futile.   

-Original Message-
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ascpgh
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:44 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the 
wilderness last weekend.

I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze- ons, a 
kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The symptoms of my illness 
seems to have come back after ten years remission.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 06:21 -0700, ascpgh wrote:
> Steve:
> 
> I am a Riv-aholic.

Admitting that one cannot control one's addiction or compulsion is the
First Step, right?


> At first it was a numbered Bridgestone here and there, then there was
> a Rambouillet... Now the issues swirl; wide range double 110 BCD vs
> triple, generator hubs/logs vs battery units, rack/bag combos, bars,
> etc.
> 
> I'm going to have to make some steady progress on the house renovation
> to reach the level of rationalization this may require.

You've definitely come to a good place here.  Another would be the iBOB
list.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread ascpgh


Steve:

I am a Riv-aholic.

At first it was a numbered Bridgestone here and there, then there was
a Rambouillet... Now the issues swirl; wide range double 110 BCD vs
triple, generator hubs/logs vs battery units, rack/bag combos, bars,
etc.

I'm going to have to make some steady progress on the house renovation
to reach the level of rationalization this may require.


ANDY
Pittsburgh

On Apr 26, 8:22 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 04:44 -0700, ascpgh wrote:
> > I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the
> > wilderness last weekend.
>
> > I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze-
> > ons, a kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The
> > symptoms of my illness seems to have come back after ten years
> > remission.
>
> So, in search of a 12-step support group, you found us.  Hi, Andy!
> 8=)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 04:44 -0700, ascpgh wrote:
> I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the
> wilderness last weekend.
> 
> I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze-
> ons, a kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The
> symptoms of my illness seems to have come back after ten years
> remission.

So, in search of a 12-step support group, you found us.  Hi, Andy!
8=)



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-26 Thread ascpgh

I think I caught something after being out in all the cold and in the
wilderness last weekend.

I'm feeling like I need more clearance for bigger tires, more braze-
ons, a kick stand plate, and a generator hub/light set up. The
symptoms of my illness seems to have come back after ten years
remission.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-25 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Posted (thanks to John Philip)...

On Apr 25, 5:23 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> Anyone find the photo of us arriving at Confluence the bike shop owner
> took and said would be posted on Facebook?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-25 Thread Steve Palincsar

Anyone find the photo of us arriving at Confluence the bike shop owner
took and said would be posted on Facebook?



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Andy, you are most valiant... Glad you made it before the snow.

Bobby

On Apr 24, 9:13 pm, ascpgh  wrote:
> Reinterations for all praise deserved for the whole event,
> surroundings, collected riders & bicycles, and particularly Bobby for
> the rare January motivation to get the wheels rolling on this great
> weekend.
>
> Initial crop of untagged photos:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/asc.pgh/RivRallyEast2012?authuser=0&auth...
>
> I rode on, after a long break in Ohiopyle, to meet my shuttle in
> Connellsville. Bobby: it is a good bit less than an hour in the rain.
>  > We had arranged for a tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater,
> which was amazing as
>
> > usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast)
> > to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding
> > the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in
> > bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice.
>
> ANDY
> Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread ascpgh

Reinterations for all praise deserved for the whole event,
surroundings, collected riders & bicycles, and particularly Bobby for
the rare January motivation to get the wheels rolling on this great
weekend.

Initial crop of untagged photos:

https://picasaweb.google.com/asc.pgh/RivRallyEast2012?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKeJm-Lc1_fzEA&feat=directlink

I rode on, after a long break in Ohiopyle, to meet my shuttle in
Connellsville. Bobby: it is a good bit less than an hour in the rain.
 > We had arranged for a tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater,
which was amazing as
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast)
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in
> bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice.

ANDY
Pittsburgh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 16:52 -0700, AndyBikeman wrote:
> Thanks to Bobby and all the rest of the guys for making me (a borrowed
> LHTrucker rider) feel welcome. I had a wonderful time was so glad to
> be bitten by the Riv-Bug. Also thanks to all of the posters with the
> great photos. 

Nice collection.  If you haven't seen the Group Pool, I encourage you to
do so.  http://www.flickr.com/groups/1923867@N25/pool/show/

> Nice panoramas Steve! 

Thanks!  Hand held, stitched with Hugin then worked over with Gimp.
Sometimes even 16:9 just doesn't show it the way I see it.  Both Hugin &
Gimp are free, too.

> I enjoyed meeting and riding with
> you all. I look forward to the next time we can all ride together
> again.

Absolutely.  It was a tremendous amount of fun.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Marc Irwin

I didn't quite escape!  I woke up in my tent at the Ohiopyle campground 
under a pile of snow on Monday morning,  Oh well, I'm from Michigan, NBD. 
 I posted a few picks and a recount here on my 
blog. 
 Thanks for putting this together Bobby, it was a blast!

Marc

On Monday, April 23, 2012 10:21:12 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. 
>
> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as 
> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH, 
> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross- 
> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, 
> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... 
> what a variety!! 
>
> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, 
> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful 
> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up 
> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were 
> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the 
> local weather forecast. 
>
> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the 
> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads 
> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking 
> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels 
> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The 
> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but 
> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not 
> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs 
> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of 
> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early 
> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into 
> Confluence, our stayover destination). 
>
> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage 
> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage 
> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to 
> ride through.  Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the 
> Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us 
> it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the "downside"). 
>
> The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short 
> spritz, but no rain as had been predicted.  The scenery along the 
> trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the 
> Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were 
> spectacular.  As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, 
> and we began to follow the river more closely.  As Confluence loomed a 
> mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to 
> the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a 
> miserable headwind with steady rain.  This is the first time I had to 
> stop and actually put on my rain gear.  But once inside the house, we 
> dried quickly and forgot all about the rain.  Our hosts were very 
> accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town 
> to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' 
> accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer 
> the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. 
>
> Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good 
> riding conditions.  After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local 
> breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John 
> Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned 
> to split into 2 days.  The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, 
> so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday 
> morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear 
> how they made out. 
>
> Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP 
> trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters).  We had arranged for a 
> tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as 
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) 
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding 
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in 
> bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice. 
>
> I could go on and on about this weekend, but I'll let others chime 
> in... GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, awesome bicycles, and a spectacular 
> route... Everything went better than expected, so I c

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread AndyBikeman

Thanks to Bobby and all the rest of the guys for making me (a borrowed
LHTrucker rider) feel welcome. I had a wonderful time was so glad to
be bitten by the Riv-Bug. Also thanks to all of the posters with the
great photos. Nice panoramas Steve! I enjoyed meeting and riding with
you all. I look forward to the next time we can all ride together
again.

On Apr 23, 6:53 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 07:21 -0700, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> > Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip
> > through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's
> > been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a
> > fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the
> > beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail.
>
> I've been listening to today's weather reports, hearing about the 4-5
> inches of snow at Frostburg today, squealing with delight like a Geico
> piggy...  Whee!!!
>
> I've added photos from Day 2 to my set of Riv Rally East 2012 
> photoshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157629882288771/show/
>
> Say, Bobby, do you think we might set up a group pool for everyone's
> photos, the way we did with last year's?  As many cameras as were in
> evidence, I can hardly wait to see what everyone else captured.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Those three are (in Hank terms) "beasts"! 

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

Done.

Speaking of the snow, John Philip sent me an email at 1:30 AM this morning... 
he had just arrived home in Syracuse after a long and grueling day.  When he 
and Tom Nezovich awoke in Rockwood, there was some 6+ inches of wet, heavy snow 
on the ground.  They slogged through up to a foot of snow (in places) to the 
Divide, after which things started to improve... (like having gravity in their 
favor, but also the snow began to thin out).  But it was still in the low 30s 
with sleet, rain and high winds, mostly from the NW (fortunately at their 
backs)...

Wow...Kudos to John and Tom for toughing it out.

MEANWHILE (and sorry I FORGOT to mention), MARC IRWIN CAMPED OUT in Ohiopyle 
overnight... I'm looking to hear back from him as to how he fared... (but then 
again, he's from Michigan, and an experienced Boy Scout.. this to him was 
probably little more than a Spring squall).

Peace,
BB

On Apr 23, 6:53 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 07:21 -0700, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> > Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> > through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> > been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> > fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> > beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail.
>
> I've been listening to today's weather reports, hearing about the 4-5 
> inches of snow at Frostburg today, squealing with delight like a Geico 
> piggy...  Whee!!!
>
> I've added photos from Day 2 to my set of Riv Rally East 2012 
> photoshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157629882288771
> /show/
>
> Say, Bobby, do you think we might set up a group pool for everyone's 
> photos, the way we did with last year's?  As many cameras as were in 
> evidence, I can hardly wait to see what everyone else captured.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Done.

Speaking of the snow, John Philip sent me an email at 1:30 AM this
morning... he had just arrived home in Syracuse after a long and
grueling day.  When he and Tom Nezovich awoke in Rockwood, there was
some 6+ inches of wet, heavy snow on the ground.  They slogged through
up to a foot of snow (in places) to the Divide, after which things
started to improve... (like having gravity in their favor, but also
the snow began to thin out).  But it was still in the low 30s with
sleet, rain and high winds, mostly from the NW (fortunately at their
backs)...

Wow...Kudos to John and Tom for toughing it out.

MEANWHILE (and sorry I FORGOT to mention), MARC IRWIN CAMPED OUT in
Ohiopyle overnight... I'm looking to hear back from him as to how he
fared... (but then again, he's from Michigan, and an experienced Boy
Scout.. this to him was probably little more than a Spring squall).

Peace,
BB

On Apr 23, 6:53 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 07:21 -0700, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
> > Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip
> > through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's
> > been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a
> > fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the
> > beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail.
>
> I've been listening to today's weather reports, hearing about the 4-5
> inches of snow at Frostburg today, squealing with delight like a Geico
> piggy...  Whee!!!
>
> I've added photos from Day 2 to my set of Riv Rally East 2012 
> photoshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157629882288771/show/
>
> Say, Bobby, do you think we might set up a group pool for everyone's
> photos, the way we did with last year's?  As many cameras as were in
> evidence, I can hardly wait to see what everyone else captured.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-24 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 19:37 -0700, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:
> Having lived in Ohiopyle when I was a paddler not a peddler I have to
> ask, how are the milkshakes at Falls Market? Are they still the best
> shakes in the East?

None of us had milkshakes.  Many of us got hoagies there, but we were in
a huge hurry to get back to the shuttle site (rafting place over the
bridge), didn't want to miss the ride to Fallingwater, and ate there.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-23 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn

Having lived in Ohiopyle when I was a paddler not a peddler I have to
ask, how are the milkshakes at Falls Market? Are they still the best
shakes in the East?

All those beautiful bikes look really good overlooking the falls.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-23 Thread [email protected]

What a great time! It must have taken a lot of time and commitment from 
everyone, but sure payed off!
 
On Monday, April 23, 2012 7:21:12 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. 
>
> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as 
> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH, 
> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross- 
> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, 
> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... 
> what a variety!! 
>
> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, 
> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful 
> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up 
> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were 
> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the 
> local weather forecast. 
>
> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the 
> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads 
> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking 
> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels 
> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The 
> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but 
> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not 
> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs 
> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of 
> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early 
> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into 
> Confluence, our stayover destination). 
>
> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage 
> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage 
> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to 
> ride through.  Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the 
> Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us 
> it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the "downside"). 
>
> The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short 
> spritz, but no rain as had been predicted.  The scenery along the 
> trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the 
> Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were 
> spectacular.  As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, 
> and we began to follow the river more closely.  As Confluence loomed a 
> mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to 
> the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a 
> miserable headwind with steady rain.  This is the first time I had to 
> stop and actually put on my rain gear.  But once inside the house, we 
> dried quickly and forgot all about the rain.  Our hosts were very 
> accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town 
> to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' 
> accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer 
> the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. 
>
> Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good 
> riding conditions.  After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local 
> breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John 
> Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned 
> to split into 2 days.  The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, 
> so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday 
> morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear 
> how they made out. 
>
> Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP 
> trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters).  We had arranged for a 
> tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as 
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) 
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding 
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in 
> bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice. 
>
> I could go on and on about this weekend, but I'll let others chime 
> in... GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, awesome bicycles, and a spectacular 
> route... Everything went better than expected, so I couldn't be 
> happier.  I trust others enjoyed this as much as I.  We WILL do more 
> of these rides, of that I'm sure. 
>
> In the mean time I have set up a Riv Rally East set of pics on Flickr, 
> that we will certainly add to. 
> h

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!

2012-04-23 Thread Jim

Wow...fantastic set of photos.  As a native W. Pa guy, i really enjoyed 
seeing the "home" scenery, and the pictures of Fallingwater.  Y'all looked 
like you were having a great time, very inspirational, can't wait to get 
back on the bike.

Jim in Boulder

On Monday, April 23, 2012 8:21:12 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip 
> through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's 
> been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a 
> fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the 
> beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. 
>
> Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as 
> Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE,  Bowling Green OH, 
> Princeton NJ and Syracuse.  We had a great bunch, and the cross- 
> section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, 
> Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... 
> what a variety!! 
>
> Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, 
> which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful 
> country.  Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up 
> the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning.  We were 
> bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the 
> local weather forecast. 
>
> Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the 
> C&O Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads 
> northwest to Pittsburgh).  There is excellent overnight parking 
> (covered by the highway), very close to the trail.  We were wheels 
> down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon.  The 
> sun was shining brightly at this point... huh???  We were puzzled, but 
> delighted nonetheless.  The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not 
> particularly difficult... but tedious.  I was glad to stretch my legs 
> at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of 
> the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early 
> breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into 
> Confluence, our stayover destination). 
>
> A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage 
> Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage 
> Mountain.  This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to 
> ride through.  Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the 
> Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us 
> it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the "downside"). 
>
> The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short 
> spritz, but no rain as had been predicted.  The scenery along the 
> trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the 
> Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were 
> spectacular.  As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, 
> and we began to follow the river more closely.  As Confluence loomed a 
> mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to 
> the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a 
> miserable headwind with steady rain.  This is the first time I had to 
> stop and actually put on my rain gear.  But once inside the house, we 
> dried quickly and forgot all about the rain.  Our hosts were very 
> accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town 
> to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' 
> accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer 
> the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. 
>
> Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good 
> riding conditions.  After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local 
> breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John 
> Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned 
> to split into 2 days.  The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, 
> so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday 
> morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear 
> how they made out. 
>
> Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP 
> trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters).  We had arranged for a 
> tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as 
> usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) 
> to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding 
> the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in 
> bad weather).  It turned out to be a wise choice. 
>
> I could go on and on about this weekend, but I'll let others chime 
> in... GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, awesome bicycles, and a spectacular 
> route... Everything went better than expected, so I couldn't be 
> happier.  I trust others enjoyed this as much as I.  We WILL do mor

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