[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-31 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Brad said: "I initially recommended the Bullmoose bar, but she was 
concerned about the reach. The Noodle drop bar was more attractive because 
it can be paired with a short reach stem (I found a Nitto 225mm stem with a 
5cm reach)."

The Bullmoose will have much *less* reach than any drop bar, even with the 
shortest stem possible.  The way the bullmoose bars bend back from the stem 
extension, her hands will be pretty much even with the stem bolt.  In other 
words, her reach with a Bullmoose would be equivalent to a 0cm Nitto stem, 
if such a thing existed.  If she wanted to reach farther, she could grab 
the bullmoose bars closer to the center, and the narrower she gets, the 
further she'd be reaching.  

I'm not selling anything, and if she just doesn't like them, she shouldn't 
have to give a reason.  But, if her reason is that Bullmooses would have 
too much reach, then she's mistaken.  They sweep back plenty.  If her 
concern is that they would have too LITTLE reach, then I'd agree that is 
worth disqualifying them.  

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> First and foremost, many thanks to all those who replied. Just as I knew 
> the Rivendell bikes would be great, this list has been also. 
>
> I recently learned of the Travel Agent, but consider it a last resort 
> because it seems to be forcing things that do not work together to work 
> together. 
>
> I initially recommended the Bullmoose bar, but she was concerned about the 
> reach. The Noodle drop bar was more attractive because it can be paired 
> with a short reach stem (I found a Nitto 225mm stem with a 5cm reach).
>
> Since our [current] desired outcome is a comfortable drop bar system, I 
> need to consider the Paul Components in-line brake levers.
>
> The Origin 8 Space bar looks promising. If the Nitto Noodle does not work 
> out, it might be plan B.
>
> I will update the list when we find the setup that works for her. Maybe 
> that information can help others struggling with similar issues.
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-31 Thread Eric Douglas 
I use the levers that David mentions on a couple of my bikes. One set has 
seen about 4000 miles of frequent braking and still works perfectly.

No reason to spend more IMO.

Eric



Tektro makes them or made them at some point. Here's an eBay listing for 
them: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Tektro-RL740-Road-Bicycle-Bike-V-Brake-Levers-Silver-/361568158165?hash=item542f2441d5:g:rDYAAMXQLw1Rz0YG
 

I vaguely recall Riv stocking these at some point in the past. 
David
Chicago

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:22:06 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> additional $10 coupon at Modern Bike (if you can put together odds and 
> ends to bring it up to $100)  37FHE 
> 
>
> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Brad Arnold wrote:
>>
>> First and foremost, many thanks to all those who replied. Just as I knew 
>> the Rivendell bikes would be great, this list has been also. 
>>
>> I recently learned of the Travel Agent, but consider it a last resort 
>> because it seems to be forcing things that do not work together to work 
>> together. 
>>
>> I initially recommended the Bullmoose bar, but she was concerned about 
>> the reach. The Noodle drop bar was more attractive because it can be paired 
>> with a short reach stem (I found a Nitto 225mm stem with a 5cm reach).
>>
>> Since our [current] desired outcome is a comfortable drop bar system, I 
>> need to consider the Paul Components in-line brake levers.
>>
>> The Origin 8 Space bar looks promising. If the Nitto Noodle does not work 
>> out, it might be plan B.
>>
>> I will update the list when we find the setup that works for her. Maybe 
>> that information can help others struggling with similar issues.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-28 Thread Ron Mc 
additional $10 coupon at Modern Bike (if you can put together odds and ends 
to bring it up to $100)  37FHE 


On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> First and foremost, many thanks to all those who replied. Just as I knew 
> the Rivendell bikes would be great, this list has been also. 
>
> I recently learned of the Travel Agent, but consider it a last resort 
> because it seems to be forcing things that do not work together to work 
> together. 
>
> I initially recommended the Bullmoose bar, but she was concerned about the 
> reach. The Noodle drop bar was more attractive because it can be paired 
> with a short reach stem (I found a Nitto 225mm stem with a 5cm reach).
>
> Since our [current] desired outcome is a comfortable drop bar system, I 
> need to consider the Paul Components in-line brake levers.
>
> The Origin 8 Space bar looks promising. If the Nitto Noodle does not work 
> out, it might be plan B.
>
> I will update the list when we find the setup that works for her. Maybe 
> that information can help others struggling with similar issues.
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-28 Thread Brad Arnold 
First and foremost, many thanks to all those who replied. Just as I knew 
the Rivendell bikes would be great, this list has been also. 

I recently learned of the Travel Agent, but consider it a last resort 
because it seems to be forcing things that do not work together to work 
together. 

I initially recommended the Bullmoose bar, but she was concerned about the 
reach. The Noodle drop bar was more attractive because it can be paired 
with a short reach stem (I found a Nitto 225mm stem with a 5cm reach).

Since our [current] desired outcome is a comfortable drop bar system, I 
need to consider the Paul Components in-line brake levers.

The Origin 8 Space bar looks promising. If the Nitto Noodle does not work 
out, it might be plan B.

I will update the list when we find the setup that works for her. Maybe 
that information can help others struggling with similar issues.

Brad

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread David Person 
My two cents is that I would stay away from any set-up that involved a 
Travel Agent.  Tried them and did not like the result.

David

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> My largely uneducated guess would be no. These tend to be used on bikes 
> with side-pulls or cantilevers, which use shorter cable travel than 
> v-brakes. Also, my experience with road levers that supposedly work with 
> V's is that you have to set the pads very close and hope it works. She 
> might be better off using whatever levers she likes with a Travel Agent 
> doohickey.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Ron Mc 
Modern bike has a $20 discount and free shipping on the Paul cross levers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Steve Palincsar 



On 05/26/2016 01:09 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Shoji is correct that long-pull "interrupter" levers exist.  I've used 
the Pauls, and figure somebody must make a cheap long pull version.


The Paul lever works both ways.  You move an adjustment to switch.

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Jack B 
Wouldn't the JoeApp accept canti brakes? Then you could use road levers 
with interrupters.

I really like having the cross levers on my drop bars it's reassuring to 
know that you can brake in a pinch. But I find that I rarely use the rear 
brake, so it seems like if the Pauls are too spendy then you could just get 
the left one and use the road levers when you really need more stopping 
power. I'm also surprised by how easy it is to brake "on the hoods".



On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:33:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Mini-V's are worth considering most of the time, but given the plump tires 
> on an Appaloosa, you should probably rule them out.  Brakes in the category 
> "mini-V" usually won't clear a tire bigger than 45mm and forget about 
> fenders.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:22:53 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>
>> I have used Cane Creek interrupter levers with V brakes.  While not the 
>> best for stopping power because of the shorter cable pull, they will slow 
>> the bike if the pads are set fairly close.  The "regular" levers were the 
>> long pulls offered by Tektro, and one could feel the difference.  Another 
>> option would be to use mini V's, which still have decent stopping power and 
>> don't require the longer cable pull.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread David Banzer 
Tektro makes them or made them at some point. Here's an eBay listing for 
them: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Tektro-RL740-Road-Bicycle-Bike-V-Brake-Levers-Silver-/361568158165?hash=item542f2441d5:g:rDYAAMXQLw1Rz0YG
I vaguely recall Riv stocking these at some point in the past. 
David
Chicago


On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-5, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I recently bought matching Joe Appaloosas and the bikes have 
> been great as anticipated. My wife, however, does not find the swept back 
> bars comfortable and would like to put drop bars on instead. She also wants 
> secondary (in-line) brake levers because she spends 99.9% of the time on 
> the tops. I know V-brakes require a long-pull brake lever and Tektro makes 
> one for drop bars (RL520). Will secondary brake levers work with this setup 
> (Nitto Noodle, V-brakes, Tektro RL520s, and secondary levers)?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread 'doc' via RBW Owners Bunch 
True.  Mine just cleared the 42c tires.

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 1:33:12 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Mini-V's are worth considering most of the time, but given the plump tires 
> on an Appaloosa, you should probably rule them out.  Brakes in the category 
> "mini-V" usually won't clear a tire bigger than 45mm and forget about 
> fenders.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:22:53 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>
>> I have used Cane Creek interrupter levers with V brakes.  While not the 
>> best for stopping power because of the shorter cable pull, they will slow 
>> the bike if the pads are set fairly close.  The "regular" levers were the 
>> long pulls offered by Tektro, and one could feel the difference.  Another 
>> option would be to use mini V's, which still have decent stopping power and 
>> don't require the longer cable pull.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread sameness 
Tektro makes/made the RL741 lever for V-brakes. I am 92% certain I have 
seen a Cane Creek-branded version at some point as well.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Mini-V's are worth considering most of the time, but given the plump tires 
on an Appaloosa, you should probably rule them out.  Brakes in the category 
"mini-V" usually won't clear a tire bigger than 45mm and forget about 
fenders.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:22:53 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>
> I have used Cane Creek interrupter levers with V brakes.  While not the 
> best for stopping power because of the shorter cable pull, they will slow 
> the bike if the pads are set fairly close.  The "regular" levers were the 
> long pulls offered by Tektro, and one could feel the difference.  Another 
> option would be to use mini V's, which still have decent stopping power and 
> don't require the longer cable pull.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread 'doc' via RBW Owners Bunch 
I have used Cane Creek interrupter levers with V brakes.  While not the 
best for stopping power because of the shorter cable pull, they will slow 
the bike if the pads are set fairly close.  The "regular" levers were the 
long pulls offered by Tektro, and one could feel the difference.  Another 
option would be to use mini V's, which still have decent stopping power and 
don't require the longer cable pull.


On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 11:22:46 AM UTC-4, Brad Arnold wrote:

> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I recently bought matching Joe Appaloosas and the bikes have 
> been great as anticipated. My wife, however, does not find the swept back 
> bars comfortable and would like to put drop bars on instead. She also wants 
> secondary (in-line) brake levers because she spends 99.9% of the time on 
> the tops. I know V-brakes require a long-pull brake lever and Tektro makes 
> one for drop bars (RL520). Will secondary brake levers work with this setup 
> (Nitto Noodle, V-brakes, Tektro RL520s, and secondary levers)?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Shoji is correct that long-pull "interrupter" levers exist.  I've used the 
Pauls, and figure somebody must make a cheap long pull version.  

Since you also need to think about shifter  placement, and since you could 
easily sell your take-off set of Choco Bullmooses right here on this group, 
maybe your wife should give some thought to just moving to Riv Bullmoose 
bars.  Then she could use the brakelevers and shiftlevers she already has, 
would have the feeling of being on the tops, and will probably never miss 
the 0.1% of the time spent leaned way over in the drops.  

The bullmooses are out of stock now, but if you email spencer, I bet he 
could give you the latest.  Or you could try to set up a trade here on the 
list.  There's got to be somebody who wants to try out your Chocos.  

best

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I recently bought matching Joe Appaloosas and the bikes have 
> been great as anticipated. My wife, however, does not find the swept back 
> bars comfortable and would like to put drop bars on instead. She also wants 
> secondary (in-line) brake levers because she spends 99.9% of the time on 
> the tops. I know V-brakes require a long-pull brake lever and Tektro makes 
> one for drop bars (RL520). Will secondary brake levers work with this setup 
> (Nitto Noodle, V-brakes, Tektro RL520s, and secondary levers)?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread dougP 
Brad:

Another option to consider is either flat or slightly angled back bars.  I 
too don't care for the swept back bars due to wrist angle.  Since she 
spends most of time on the tops, try a bar first & you can use the existing 
controls. Personally I use Origin8 Space Bars on my Atlantis.  The angle 
back maybe 10-15 degrees.  Lots of people like flat bars too.  

dougP 

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I recently bought matching Joe Appaloosas and the bikes have 
> been great as anticipated. My wife, however, does not find the swept back 
> bars comfortable and would like to put drop bars on instead. She also wants 
> secondary (in-line) brake levers because she spends 99.9% of the time on 
> the tops. I know V-brakes require a long-pull brake lever and Tektro makes 
> one for drop bars (RL520). Will secondary brake levers work with this setup 
> (Nitto Noodle, V-brakes, Tektro RL520s, and secondary levers)?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

2016-05-26 Thread Shoji Takahashi 
Paul Components has a cross lever that can be used short- or long-pull 
(with a change in the pivot): 
https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/cross-lever/

Not cheap at $120 for a pair. But, if you switch to cantilever, you could 
still use them. Also, MUSA, FWTW.

Good luck!
Shoji


On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 11:22:46 AM UTC-4, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> My wife and I recently bought matching Joe Appaloosas and the bikes have 
> been great as anticipated. My wife, however, does not find the swept back 
> bars comfortable and would like to put drop bars on instead. She also wants 
> secondary (in-line) brake levers because she spends 99.9% of the time on 
> the tops. I know V-brakes require a long-pull brake lever and Tektro makes 
> one for drop bars (RL520). Will secondary brake levers work with this setup 
> (Nitto Noodle, V-brakes, Tektro RL520s, and secondary levers)?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad
>

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