[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
No problem, I am going to make a vulcanized rubber mold and cast them in mass. I am a jeweler by trade and it should be no problem making a mold and casting a few...or more. I'll try to post the results sometime soon. Maybe after this weekend. On Mar 7, 9:45 am, doug peterson wrote: > Charlie: > > If you make those washers out of brass, I'm interested. Regardless of > the life expectancy of the gray plastic washers, the brass would be a > lot better looking...even nicer after some exposure to the elements. > Functionality plus aesthetics. > > dougP > > On Mar 6, 3:04 pm, charlie wrote: > > > I enjoy mine mounted on the down tube as they are long enough to reach > > and they are silky smooth. To be honest they are just levers to me > > ratcheting or not (although that feature is pleasant) they allow me to > > derail the chain onto a different cog and that's about it. The fact > > that they look nice on the bike is a bonus. They seem to be well made > > and in spite of the little plastic washer thingy that sometimes > > cracks, mine have been going strong for several years now. I will make > > my own exact duplicate washers out of brass because I can and in fact, > > I could make many of them but it wouldn't affect my choice to buy them > > again. The Shimano's seem nice but I don't index and the only others I > > have used are Campagnolo's and the old Suntour ratcheting ones that > > keep on ticking on my old Raleigh. I acquired them off an old junk > > bike for free. I don't know if the Shimano levers work or look good on > > the down tube but the Silvers do and I am satisfied. > > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > > superior? > > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > > > washer? > > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...Hide > > > > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
If your into 9 speeds Probike kit has the Shimano 9 speed DA for $76 including cables and no shipping or tax charge to the states http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=D1089 On Mar 7, 9:45 am, doug peterson wrote: > Charlie: > > If you make those washers out of brass, I'm interested. Regardless of > the life expectancy of the gray plastic washers, the brass would be a > lot better looking...even nicer after some exposure to the elements. > Functionality plus aesthetics. > > dougP > > On Mar 6, 3:04 pm, charlie wrote: > > > I enjoy mine mounted on the down tube as they are long enough to reach > > and they are silky smooth. To be honest they are just levers to me > > ratcheting or not (although that feature is pleasant) they allow me to > > derail the chain onto a different cog and that's about it. The fact > > that they look nice on the bike is a bonus. They seem to be well made > > and in spite of the little plastic washer thingy that sometimes > > cracks, mine have been going strong for several years now. I will make > > my own exact duplicate washers out of brass because I can and in fact, > > I could make many of them but it wouldn't affect my choice to buy them > > again. The Shimano's seem nice but I don't index and the only others I > > have used are Campagnolo's and the old Suntour ratcheting ones that > > keep on ticking on my old Raleigh. I acquired them off an old junk > > bike for free. I don't know if the Shimano levers work or look good on > > the down tube but the Silvers do and I am satisfied. > > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > > superior? > > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > > > washer? > > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...Hide > > > > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Charlie: If you make those washers out of brass, I'm interested. Regardless of the life expectancy of the gray plastic washers, the brass would be a lot better looking...even nicer after some exposure to the elements. Functionality plus aesthetics. dougP On Mar 6, 3:04 pm, charlie wrote: > I enjoy mine mounted on the down tube as they are long enough to reach > and they are silky smooth. To be honest they are just levers to me > ratcheting or not (although that feature is pleasant) they allow me to > derail the chain onto a different cog and that's about it. The fact > that they look nice on the bike is a bonus. They seem to be well made > and in spite of the little plastic washer thingy that sometimes > cracks, mine have been going strong for several years now. I will make > my own exact duplicate washers out of brass because I can and in fact, > I could make many of them but it wouldn't affect my choice to buy them > again. The Shimano's seem nice but I don't index and the only others I > have used are Campagnolo's and the old Suntour ratcheting ones that > keep on ticking on my old Raleigh. I acquired them off an old junk > bike for free. I don't know if the Shimano levers work or look good on > the down tube but the Silvers do and I am satisfied. > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > superior? > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > > washer? > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...- > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Helpful hint: If you really want two pairs, you might want to try and request a price match of Jenson's price with Tree Fort bikes, as they are really good about price matching (even when the competitor doesn't have the item in stock) and offer free shipping over $125. So maybe throw in a tube to get it over-- and they have them in stock. On Mar 6, 9:51 pm, William wrote: > Whoa! That's a killer price ($56 for 8-speed Shimano barcons). > Except they don't have them. Presumably they will someday soon. They > expect them on Mar 10. Funny they charge $100 for the 9-speeds, > though. At $56 I might even stock up on a pair or two. Two of the > three bikes I have running Shimanos are 8-speed. > > On Mar 6, 6:42 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > Here is the price difference, @ Jenson USA:http://tinyurl.com/4b38t4p > > > I only use friction shifting with an 11-34 XT cassette and XT shadow > > derailleur. Works beautifully. > > > On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, William wrote: > > > > I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find > > > some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv > > > sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 > > > speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would > > > ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work > > > fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and > > > cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't > > > want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your > > > shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell > > > opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be > > > even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start > > > with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, > > > but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction > > > shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how > > > to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT > > > better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage > > > at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with > > > Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos > > > really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock > > > up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. > > > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > > > superior? > > > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, > > > > > > or > > > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for > > > > > > the > > > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and > > > > > > those > > > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my c
Re: [RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
people like the way the shift feels/modulates. On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Mike S wrote: > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > superior? > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > washer? > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable fray) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Whoa! That's a killer price ($56 for 8-speed Shimano barcons). Except they don't have them. Presumably they will someday soon. They expect them on Mar 10. Funny they charge $100 for the 9-speeds, though. At $56 I might even stock up on a pair or two. Two of the three bikes I have running Shimanos are 8-speed. On Mar 6, 6:42 pm, Mike S wrote: > Here is the price difference, @ Jenson USA:http://tinyurl.com/4b38t4p > > I only use friction shifting with an 11-34 XT cassette and XT shadow > derailleur. Works beautifully. > > On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, William wrote: > > > I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find > > some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv > > sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 > > speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would > > ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work > > fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and > > cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't > > want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your > > shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell > > opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be > > even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start > > with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, > > but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction > > shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how > > to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT > > better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage > > at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with > > Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos > > really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock > > up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. > > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > > superior? > > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > > > washer? > > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed t
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Here is the price difference, @ Jenson USA: http://tinyurl.com/4b38t4p I only use friction shifting with an 11-34 XT cassette and XT shadow derailleur. Works beautifully. On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, William wrote: > I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find > some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv > sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 > speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would > ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work > fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and > cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't > want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your > shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell > opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be > even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start > with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, > but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction > shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how > to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT > better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage > at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with > Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos > really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock > up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > superior? > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > > washer? > > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
The newies look like the oldies, but they are in fact different plastics. I won't go so far as to call them unbustable, but we hung the on our natural weathering station for 2-3 months in the hot sun, and then tried to smashem & couldn't. The 3-piece rig shown in a Reader still works, and you can do it at home (and the hardware store), but the new plastic is good. We also looked into bronze 'uns, and even the price I got from my old- tyme Little League buddy who is now a machinist and wanted to do me a favor was way out of our league. The piece price we could handle; the minimums x piece price...too much. The new plastic is fine. On Mar 5, 8:47 pm, loopyeddie wrote: > I just ordered some stuff and asked for a replacement washer with the > rest of my order. They sent me 2 of the original washers for $1.00. > They weren't the "homemade" setup like they have pictures of on the > site. They were just like the originals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
I enjoy mine mounted on the down tube as they are long enough to reach and they are silky smooth. To be honest they are just levers to me ratcheting or not (although that feature is pleasant) they allow me to derail the chain onto a different cog and that's about it. The fact that they look nice on the bike is a bonus. They seem to be well made and in spite of the little plastic washer thingy that sometimes cracks, mine have been going strong for several years now. I will make my own exact duplicate washers out of brass because I can and in fact, I could make many of them but it wouldn't affect my choice to buy them again. The Shimano's seem nice but I don't index and the only others I have used are Campagnolo's and the old Suntour ratcheting ones that keep on ticking on my old Raleigh. I acquired them off an old junk bike for free. I don't know if the Shimano levers work or look good on the down tube but the Silvers do and I am satisfied. On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > superior? > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > washer? > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Whoops, i also forgot to point out, the $92 at RBW includes down-tube cable stops, housing and cables. Which if you add that all up goes a way to making up the difference in costs (you'd need those things w/ the shimano if you're converting a downtube-shifter bike) On Mar 6, 5:56 pm, Minh wrote: > William, > > You can find the Shimano bar-cons on Amazon for ~$60, so almost $35 if > you compare to the RBW price, but RBW is not Amazon so what do you > expect! And to be fair the dia-comp "version" of the sprint bar-cons > are only a little bit more expensive the the best shimano bar con > price. Given all that i would still support RBW and buy from them as > a sort of indirect royalty for helping to keep these things around. > > Now that aside, i personally would still buy them at the $35 > difference, why? Well i owned the shimano ones and while they were > fine in friction mode, and i did not keep them because i never > intended to switch to friction (my bike at the time was 6 speeds and > now my bike is 7 speed) and i like the friction action on the > sprints. They also look nicer but that's an aesthetic thing to me. > > Also please keep in mind that this whole thing started over a small > plastic washer. We're talking about bike parts here, and a mechanical > one at that, things wear out when you use them, the question is > whether you get useful life. I'm going on 10 years on my original > sprints and no issues, maybe others only get 2-3 years but so what, > fix it and move on, if you like the sprints they're worth the few > minutes of aggravation to "fix" them. > > Functionally, yeah, you're right, no real difference between the two, > they both shift fine. Maybe some of us are holding onto some sense of > nostalgia, maybe it's just wanting to buy stuff that we think was the > best from an era that's gone...Meh buy what you like and your budget > allows, don't second guess too much if what you have works for you! > > On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, William wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find > > some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv > > sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 > > speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would > > ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work > > fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and > > cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't > > want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your > > shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell > > opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be > > even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start > > with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, > > but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction > > shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how > > to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT > > better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage > > at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with > > Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos > > really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock > > up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. > > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > > superior? > > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > > don'
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
William, You can find the Shimano bar-cons on Amazon for ~$60, so almost $35 if you compare to the RBW price, but RBW is not Amazon so what do you expect! And to be fair the dia-comp "version" of the sprint bar-cons are only a little bit more expensive the the best shimano bar con price. Given all that i would still support RBW and buy from them as a sort of indirect royalty for helping to keep these things around. Now that aside, i personally would still buy them at the $35 difference, why? Well i owned the shimano ones and while they were fine in friction mode, and i did not keep them because i never intended to switch to friction (my bike at the time was 6 speeds and now my bike is 7 speed) and i like the friction action on the sprints. They also look nicer but that's an aesthetic thing to me. Also please keep in mind that this whole thing started over a small plastic washer. We're talking about bike parts here, and a mechanical one at that, things wear out when you use them, the question is whether you get useful life. I'm going on 10 years on my original sprints and no issues, maybe others only get 2-3 years but so what, fix it and move on, if you like the sprints they're worth the few minutes of aggravation to "fix" them. Functionally, yeah, you're right, no real difference between the two, they both shift fine. Maybe some of us are holding onto some sense of nostalgia, maybe it's just wanting to buy stuff that we think was the best from an era that's gone...Meh buy what you like and your budget allows, don't second guess too much if what you have works for you! On Mar 6, 5:39 pm, William wrote: > I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find > some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv > sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 > speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would > ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work > fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and > cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't > want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your > shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell > opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be > even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start > with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, > but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction > shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how > to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT > better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage > at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with > Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos > really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock > up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. > > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > > superior? > > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
I don't know where you get a $35 price difference. Maybe if you find some used ones on ebay you can get Shimanos for under $60, but Riv sells Silvers for $92 and Shimanos for $82 or $92 for 8 speed and 9 speed respectively. I don't think anyone in their right mind would ever claim that Shimano indexed barcon shifters don't work fantastically when you have the right combination of derailer and cassette to go with you shifters. If, like a lot of us, you don't want to be tied to having to match your cassette and derailer to your shifter, then you can go friction. It's a longstanding Rivendell opinion that shifting a bicycle is incredibly simple. Index might be even simpler, but the task was already ridiculously simple to start with. Clip on ties are simpler to put on than neckties that you tie, but I know how to tie a tie, so the benefit is negligible. Friction shifting is incredibly easy, and index is even easier, but I know how to shift in friction so the benefit is negligible. Silvers feel a LOT better in friction mode, I think. Both are fantastic. In my garage at the moment there are 3 bikes with Shimano bar ends, and 3 with Silvers (or Suntour Sprints). They all shift great. If Shimanos really are $35 cheaper to you, and if you like them, then I'd stock up, because indicators tell us they will not be around for long. On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S wrote: > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far > superior? > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an > argument as to why Silvers are worth it? > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > > > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > > of Yankee ingenuity. > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > > are the ones we got now. > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > washer? > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far superior? I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an argument as to why Silvers are worth it? On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie wrote: > Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize > the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born > of Yankee ingenuity. > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > > are the ones we got now. > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > washer? > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Its okay Grant...I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize the insignificance and accept the commonly available substitute born of Yankee ingenuity. On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant wrote: > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls > out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a > plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those > are the ones we got now. > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > plastic, etc…. > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > washer? > > > Or am I boned? > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that. We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls out, but they are failsafemeaning safe when they've failed. We don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a plastic washer now and thenit's not horrid. Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly. Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those are the ones we got now. Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > plastic, etc…. > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > washer? > > Or am I boned? > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
On a related topic, I just installed bar end silver shifters on my Blériot (pix to come). My installation kit came with four square hole washers…two with tabs and two without. The instructions that came with the kit only showed the tabbed square hole washer, no mention of the untabbed one; while the youtube video doesn't show a tabbed square hole washer. From the instructions, it looks as if the tab is meant to fit into the pod (i.e. towards the bar). However, the spacing is such that it would require the other washer to go on first. But doing that makes it so that the cable doesn't directly thread through the hole in the pod; too much washer thickness mean that the sable it would have to bend a little to thread. Since I figgered that having a straight cable line and uninterrupted tension is paramount, I simply left out the tabbed square hole washer. The shifting seems fine, but I wonder what the extra square hole washers are for. Any thoughts/ advice? cheers, bdl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
I just ordered some stuff and asked for a replacement washer with the rest of my order. They sent me 2 of the original washers for $1.00. They weren't the "homemade" setup like they have pictures of on the site. They were just like the originals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Yep. All those washers can be found and most any hardware store. I read about this problem and switched it out before it could happen. On Mar 5, 6:36 pm, Justin August wrote: > What I'm gathering is that all I need is a lockring and a bunch of > spacers. Basically. > > Going to try tomorrow. When I'm less……..lubricated than I am now. > -Justin > > On Mar 5, 8:28 pm, doug peterson wrote: > > > If you're at the hardware store getting the washers as shown in the > > Riv video, also get some star washers if they have them. I used them > > in place of the lock washer as they seem to hold better. > > > Riv mentions that the gray plastic washer is a weak link, would be > > metal in a perfect world, but it ain't gonna happen so the alternate > > washer kit is a work around. It works. > > > dougP > > > On Mar 5, 4:11 pm, Minh wrote: > > > > Are you talking about the little grey disks? these are a known > > > limitation of the silvers shifters, they're great but not perfect. > > > rivendell has a kit, but i think you can also piece together your own > > > kit at the hardware store, here's the video that shows what you're > > > looking forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_6CoVjnvo > > > > i wish they were metal (i have a set of suntour cyclones that are like > > > this), but then again my sprint shifters w/ plastic washers are still > > > holding together after 10 years, and your's broke after it fell, just > > > saying ;) > > > > On Mar 5, 5:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > > washer? > > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...quoted > > > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
I'm making mine out of brass. I think I will make vulcanized rubber molds and cast a bunch of them..no joke. On Mar 5, 5:28 pm, doug peterson wrote: > If you're at the hardware store getting the washers as shown in the > Riv video, also get some star washers if they have them. I used them > in place of the lock washer as they seem to hold better. > > Riv mentions that the gray plastic washer is a weak link, would be > metal in a perfect world, but it ain't gonna happen so the alternate > washer kit is a work around. It works. > > dougP > > On Mar 5, 4:11 pm, Minh wrote: > > > Are you talking about the little grey disks? these are a known > > limitation of the silvers shifters, they're great but not perfect. > > rivendell has a kit, but i think you can also piece together your own > > kit at the hardware store, here's the video that shows what you're > > looking forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_6CoVjnvo > > > i wish they were metal (i have a set of suntour cyclones that are like > > this), but then again my sprint shifters w/ plastic washers are still > > holding together after 10 years, and your's broke after it fell, just > > saying ;) > > > On Mar 5, 5:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > washer? > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...Hide > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
What I'm gathering is that all I need is a lockring and a bunch of spacers. Basically. Going to try tomorrow. When I'm less……..lubricated than I am now. -Justin On Mar 5, 8:28 pm, doug peterson wrote: > If you're at the hardware store getting the washers as shown in the > Riv video, also get some star washers if they have them. I used them > in place of the lock washer as they seem to hold better. > > Riv mentions that the gray plastic washer is a weak link, would be > metal in a perfect world, but it ain't gonna happen so the alternate > washer kit is a work around. It works. > > dougP > > On Mar 5, 4:11 pm, Minh wrote: > > > > > Are you talking about the little grey disks? these are a known > > limitation of the silvers shifters, they're great but not perfect. > > rivendell has a kit, but i think you can also piece together your own > > kit at the hardware store, here's the video that shows what you're > > looking forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_6CoVjnvo > > > i wish they were metal (i have a set of suntour cyclones that are like > > this), but then again my sprint shifters w/ plastic washers are still > > holding together after 10 years, and your's broke after it fell, just > > saying ;) > > > On Mar 5, 5:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > > plastic, etc…. > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > > washer? > > > > Or am I boned? > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...Hide > > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
If you're at the hardware store getting the washers as shown in the Riv video, also get some star washers if they have them. I used them in place of the lock washer as they seem to hold better. Riv mentions that the gray plastic washer is a weak link, would be metal in a perfect world, but it ain't gonna happen so the alternate washer kit is a work around. It works. dougP On Mar 5, 4:11 pm, Minh wrote: > Are you talking about the little grey disks? these are a known > limitation of the silvers shifters, they're great but not perfect. > rivendell has a kit, but i think you can also piece together your own > kit at the hardware store, here's the video that shows what you're > looking forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_6CoVjnvo > > i wish they were metal (i have a set of suntour cyclones that are like > this), but then again my sprint shifters w/ plastic washers are still > holding together after 10 years, and your's broke after it fell, just > saying ;) > > On Mar 5, 5:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > > plastic, etc…. > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > > washer? > > > Or am I boned? > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...- > > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Are you talking about the little grey disks? these are a known limitation of the silvers shifters, they're great but not perfect. rivendell has a kit, but i think you can also piece together your own kit at the hardware store, here's the video that shows what you're looking for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_6CoVjnvo i wish they were metal (i have a set of suntour cyclones that are like this), but then again my sprint shifters w/ plastic washers are still holding together after 10 years, and your's broke after it fell, just saying ;) On Mar 5, 5:23 pm, Justin August wrote: > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > plastic, etc…. > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > washer? > > Or am I boned? > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sigh. Busted compression washers on the Silvers. sigh.
Which compression washer where now? On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Justin August wrote: > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile > plastic, etc…. > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression > washer? > > Or am I boned? > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable fray) > http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-72157624548021380/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
