[RBW] Re: Skewers?
> Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any > internal cam wins over external.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html When I last used skewers, I went with these by Hope: http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/skewer/hope/skewers/PRD_354342_146crx.aspx They seemed to work well. After that I built up a wheel with MaxiCar hubs which have a solid axle that use nut attachments. As I say above, it kind of opened my eyes to what little difference having a nutted axle over skewers meant from a maintenance and time perspective. To each their own. I have no problem with a preference for skewers. Outside of racing where I hear every fraction of second is critical, there is not much difference between wrenching a wheel on and off and pulling a skewer. I attach the MaxiCar 14 mm socket to a sliding bar socket holder: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00904428000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6 which is light and easy to carry with my ride tool set. The pitlock pit fits in a socket as well. On Jan 8, 5:42 pm, Mojo wrote: > Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any > internal cam wins over external.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html > > On Jan 8, 11:32 am, Marty wrote: > > > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > experience with Pitlock? > > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
> That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in > more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice > choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, > one for the shop, one in house as spare.) Not sure anyone has ever referred to Chicago as temperate. I have never had winter issued removing Pitlocks in the cold. They are made and popular in Germany which has its share of winter cold. On Jan 8, 6:05 pm, EricP wrote: > A cover might get me to use Pitlock again. Have two sets. Ran them > on both my Hillborne and my LHT. On the latter, which is my winter > bike, the Pitlock started to seize. Had a devil of a time removing > the wheel one time. There was no obvious rust in the system. > > That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in > more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice > choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, > one for the shop, one in house as spare.) > > Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a > different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't > always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to > fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a > binding issue between two different materials. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jan 8, 4:07 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good > > looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to > > bring your coded pit socket. > > > Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice > > caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. > > > On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty wrote: > > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > > experience with Pitlock? > > > > Marty- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
> I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, > and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. > They are handy for that. As long as one keeps ones tools handy, it is not all that much faster to remove a tire with a quick release skewer than one with a Pitlock. I take my pitlock and bolted solid axle Maxicar wheels off frequently. Well under a minute to do so. On Jan 8, 6:43 pm, Peter Pesce wrote: > I use VO skewers on my commuter. Truth is, you are only relying on the > skewer to thwart opportunistic thiefs. > If you have a $1500 wheelset that a pro wants, he'll get it. Pitlock > or not. It probably just as easy for them to take the whole bike. > I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, > and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. > They are handy for that. > > On Jan 8, 3:52 pm, Travis wrote: > > > > > I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I > > don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on > > the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of > > pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware > > stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than > > an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really > > mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life > > anyway. > > > The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other > > locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they > > require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a > > decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame > > which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large > > key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust > > them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs > > even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of > > course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ > > fixed set-up. > > > Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I use VO skewers on my commuter. Truth is, you are only relying on the skewer to thwart opportunistic thiefs. If you have a $1500 wheelset that a pro wants, he'll get it. Pitlock or not. It probably just as easy for them to take the whole bike. I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. They are handy for that. On Jan 8, 3:52 pm, Travis wrote: > I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I > don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on > the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of > pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware > stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than > an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really > mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life > anyway. > > The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other > locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they > require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a > decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame > which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large > key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust > them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs > even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of > course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ > fixed set-up. > > Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Skewers?
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM, EricP wrote: > > > Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a > different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't > always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to > fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a > binding issue between two different materials. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > I stopped using the Zefal for the same reason. I had a time where it was difficult to open when changing a flat in the winter. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
A cover might get me to use Pitlock again. Have two sets. Ran them on both my Hillborne and my LHT. On the latter, which is my winter bike, the Pitlock started to seize. Had a devil of a time removing the wheel one time. There was no obvious rust in the system. That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, one for the shop, one in house as spare.) Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a binding issue between two different materials. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 8, 4:07 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good > looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to > bring your coded pit socket. > > Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice > caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. > > On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty wrote: > > > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > experience with Pitlock? > > > Marty- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any internal cam wins over external. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html On Jan 8, 11:32 am, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to bring your coded pit socket. Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
Okay, this is heresy, but I have a hard time seeing a quick release skewer as having any value except to racers with numb fingers at the top of a mountain. If I lose 30 seconds every time I flat, I'll live with that. The allen wrench I keep in my tool kit is a simpler and lighter way to tighten a skewer than a cam, and I don't need one for every wheel I own. For security, the allen wrench is better, and any of the locking skewers is better yet. Lastly, quick releases have a long handle that legend says could grab objects and cause a wreck. I've liked the Kore/Onguard locking skewers for some time, and I don't even know what brand the allen key skewers are. I hope these are all still in production. PJW sells Pitlocks, which look like a system similar to Kore/Onguard. On Jan 8, 12:15 pm, "Bill M." wrote: > The VO skewers look like they might be decent. Classic design, > anyway, not an internal cam. > > On Jan 8, 10:32 am, Marty wrote: > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > experience with Pitlock? > > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life anyway. The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ fixed set-up. Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
The VO skewers look like they might be decent. Classic design, anyway, not an internal cam. On Jan 8, 10:32 am, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
