[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-16 Thread Chris Halasz 
Nitto (and Kalloy) 25.4mm dirt drop stems have worked fine for me with my 
25.4mm Tosco and Albatross bars. 
On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 2:54:58 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Nitto Technomic single bolt designs were never intended to use with such 
> bars, it's just a matter of leverage, a long lever being held by a single 
> bolt clamp. With 2 or 4 bolt stems you need no friction substances or 
> heroic torque to get the bars to stay. 
> On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I couldn't for the life of me get Ron's Ortho Bars to stop slipping.  I 
>> switched them out for a Choco-moose and never looked back!  The -moose bars 
>> are the perfect swept back system for rough terrain.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 8:54:25 AM UTC-4 Bill S wrote:
>>
>>> This is probably not recommended, but I had a pair of choco bars that 
>>> slipped a bit when I first put them on, and ended up using the old soda can 
>>> shim trick and it's worked like a charm for about 2 years now.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 2:33:31 AM UTC-4 ricksteves wrote:
>>>
 Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the 
 muscle it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough 
 to 
 keep it in place when riding.

 A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is 
 more secure than 1.

 ~ NJD

 On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
 wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 
> 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 
> 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar 
> slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at 
> the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>


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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-13 Thread Garth 
Nitto Technomic single bolt designs were never intended to use with such 
bars, it's just a matter of leverage, a long lever being held by a single 
bolt clamp. With 2 or 4 bolt stems you need no friction substances or 
heroic torque to get the bars to stay. 
On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I couldn't for the life of me get Ron's Ortho Bars to stop slipping.  I 
> switched them out for a Choco-moose and never looked back!  The -moose bars 
> are the perfect swept back system for rough terrain.
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 8:54:25 AM UTC-4 Bill S wrote:
>
>> This is probably not recommended, but I had a pair of choco bars that 
>> slipped a bit when I first put them on, and ended up using the old soda can 
>> shim trick and it's worked like a charm for about 2 years now.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 2:33:31 AM UTC-4 ricksteves wrote:
>>
>>> Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the 
>>> muscle it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough to 
>>> keep it in place when riding.
>>>
>>> A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is more 
>>> secure than 1.
>>>
>>> ~ NJD
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
 trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 
 26mm 
 clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 
 130mm 
 Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
 Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
 stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 

 I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
 will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
 adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
 extra gripping strength?

 Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,

 Ethan

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-13 Thread James M 
I couldn't for the life of me get Ron's Ortho Bars to stop slipping.  I 
switched them out for a Choco-moose and never looked back!  The -moose bars 
are the perfect swept back system for rough terrain.

On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 8:54:25 AM UTC-4 Bill S wrote:

> This is probably not recommended, but I had a pair of choco bars that 
> slipped a bit when I first put them on, and ended up using the old soda can 
> shim trick and it's worked like a charm for about 2 years now.
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 2:33:31 AM UTC-4 ricksteves wrote:
>
>> Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the 
>> muscle it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough to 
>> keep it in place when riding.
>>
>> A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is more 
>> secure than 1.
>>
>> ~ NJD
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>>
>>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>>> extra gripping strength?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-12 Thread Bill S 
This is probably not recommended, but I had a pair of choco bars that 
slipped a bit when I first put them on, and ended up using the old soda can 
shim trick and it's worked like a charm for about 2 years now.

On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 2:33:31 AM UTC-4 ricksteves wrote:

> Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the muscle 
> it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough to keep 
> it in place when riding.
>
> A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is more 
> secure than 1.
>
> ~ NJD
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
> wrote:
>
>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>
>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>> extra gripping strength?
>>
>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-11 Thread ricksteves 
Could always try a 25.4 clamp stem with the 26.0 diameter HBs - the muscle 
it takes to get that clamp onto the wider HBs is more than enough to keep 
it in place when riding.

A faceplater stem is never a bad idea either, since 2 or 4 bolts is more 
secure than 1.

~ NJD

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 12:45:45 PM UTC-6 Ethan VanValkenburg 
wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-11 Thread Eliot Balogh 
Yeah, I would definitely try some carbon paste

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 3:38 PM Jacob Kersey  wrote:

> After tightening a single bolt Ritchey stem to the point where it
> compressed/deformed a pair of chromo Bosco bars, I started using carbon
> friction paste/gel to prevent slippage in these situations. No issues since.
> -Jake in Oakland
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since
>> tightening.
>>
>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s
>>> Ortho Bars!
>>>
>>> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened
>>> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem.
>>> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a
>>> stem that had it.
>>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having
 trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm
 clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm
 Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping.
 Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the
 stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road?

 I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter
 will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some
 adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the
 extra gripping strength?

 Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,

 Ethan

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-11 Thread Jacob Kersey 
After tightening a single bolt Ritchey stem to the point where it 
compressed/deformed a pair of chromo Bosco bars, I started using carbon 
friction paste/gel to prevent slippage in these situations. No issues since.
-Jake in Oakland 

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 4:20:56 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since tightening. 
>
> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
>> Bars!
>>
>> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
>> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
>> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
>> stem that had it. 
>> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>>
>>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>>> extra gripping strength?
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-11 Thread Dan 
To add: I ride single track semi regularly and no issues since tightening. 

On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 20:49:55 UTC+9:30 Dan wrote:

>
> Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
> Bars!
>
> I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
> down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
> Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
> stem that had it. 
> On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>
>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>> extra gripping strength?
>>
>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-11 Thread Dan 

Swept back bars with a 26.0 clamp diameter? Must be the Crust Ron’s Ortho 
Bars!

I had slipping issues with mine initially until I just really tightened 
down on the stem. I’m running an old Velo Orange Crand Cru steel stem. 
Looks great, but I could indeed go with more reach if I could ever find a 
stem that had it. 
On Wednesday 11 September 2024 at 04:15:45 UTC+9:30 [email protected] 
wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-10 Thread Mackenzy Albright 
I've never fully trusted tallux stems for swept back off road use. A steel 
stem gives a bit more confidence with added stiffness. I've had great luck 
with a single bolt 130mm Ritchey in the past on trail riding. Make sure the 
bolt is greased well so it snugs up with the least amount of resistance as 
possible so you run less change of slippage. If I recall Jason said it's 
about a 30% increase of clamp force vs dry. You should be careful not to 
over-tighten as bolt snapping can become an issue if you're not careful. 

I think also take into account Grants philosophy of "ride like a Mongolian" 
- try to use balance and position over the bike to give nimbleness and 
lightness to the bar over obstacles and smooth out your riding vs heavy 
handed leveraging the bars for all your movements. Drops are where it does 
get exceedingly tricky - but adapting riding to the equipment is half the 
fun. 

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:51:10 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Are you sure about the clamp diameter on the swept-back bars you have? 
> What is the brand? 
> If the bar is chromed or even highly polished, that can create a smooth 
> enough surface that slippage is a problem. 
> I will point you to "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" to the 
> description of the shim... 
> Might just be all you need. 
>
> Jim
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
>> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
>> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
>> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
>> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
>> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>>
>> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
>> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
>> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
>> extra gripping strength?
>>
>> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>>
>> Ethan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slipping on swept back handlebars

2024-09-10 Thread Cyclofiend Jim 
Are you sure about the clamp diameter on the swept-back bars you have? What 
is the brand? 
If the bar is chromed or even highly polished, that can create a smooth 
enough surface that slippage is a problem. 
I will point you to "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" to the 
description of the shim... 
Might just be all you need. 

Jim
On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 11:45:45 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
wrote:

> I just put some swept back handlebars on my bicycle and I am having 
> trouble with slipping. The handlebars sweep back 7 inches or so with a 26mm 
> clamp diameter. My stem is a nitto tallux and I'm switching in an old 130mm 
> Ritchey stem for more reach, but I'm still worried about the bar slipping. 
> Is there a good solution for gripping big bars that increase torque at the 
> stem clamp, especially when riding on gravel/off-road? 
>
> I might be able to tighten it more, but I'm worried that going tighter 
> will strip or deform the bolt. Do folks ever use thread-locker or some 
> adhesive for extra stick? Or do I need a 2-4 bolt faceplate stem for the 
> extra gripping strength?
>
> Let me know if you have any tips/tricks/ideas! Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>

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