Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Slin]

Leah - yes, in fact, my wife and I would ride the same size frame. :) The 
step-thru frames are so accommodating that way. Part of my hesitation to 
get the frame is because I'm worried I'm pulling a 'Homer Simpson gifting 
Marge a bowling ball' if you get the reference, hah. My wife rides her 
Brompton to commute and it just fits her use so well -- biking to take a 
train and then storing the bike under her desk. 

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:46:40 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Slin, 
>
> I hope you get one of those bikes because you’re right - they may not be 
> available for a long, long time. The 55s are already gone and only a few of 
> the 50s remain. I used a Betty Foy (the Platypus predecessor) to pull my 
> son with both a bike trailer and later, a tag-along and it did great. Not 
> sure how tall you are but maybe you could ride that Platypus from time to 
> time!
> L
>
> On Dec 7, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Slin  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks, Leah. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Platypus frame 
> since they're in stock in a size my wife can ride. And who knows the next 
> time they'll be available!
>
> As for kids bikes, I think it would be too cool to get one of those test 
> Riv kids bikes that were made years back.
>
> S
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 
>>
>> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
>> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
>> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
>> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
>> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
>> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
>> I’m full of the good ideas.
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv 
>>> for about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once 
>>> in a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH 
>>> would be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where 
>>> I'm carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>>
>>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>>
>>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>>
>>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>>
>>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
 that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
 Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
 just because of the older styling. 

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best 
> bike I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the 
> Atlantis, can carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires 
> + 
> fenders, and climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my 
> introduction to 650B.
>
> The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
> willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  
>
> My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
> active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
> and ride the heck out of it more.  
>
> This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
> being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
> wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  
>
> [image: IMG_0408.JPG]
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Leah Peterson]

Slin, I hope you get one of those bikes because you’re right - they may not be available for a long, long time. The 55s are already gone and only a few of the 50s remain. I used a Betty Foy (the Platypus predecessor) to pull my son with both a bike trailer and later, a tag-along and it did great. Not sure how tall you are but maybe you could ride that Platypus from time to time!LOn Dec 7, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Slin  wrote:Thanks, Leah. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Platypus frame since they're in stock in a size my wife can ride. And who knows the next time they'll be available!As for kids bikes, I think it would be too cool to get one of those test Riv kids bikes that were made years back.SOn Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? I’m full of the good ideas.On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.Will took it for a spin too:On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:I do love my Saluki that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki just because of the older styling. On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, can carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear and ride the heck out of it more.  This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  Cheers,Matt



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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Slin]

Thanks, Leah. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Platypus frame 
since they're in stock in a size my wife can ride. And who knows the next 
time they'll be available!

As for kids bikes, I think it would be too cool to get one of those test 
Riv kids bikes that were made years back.

S

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 
>
> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
> I’m full of the good ideas.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>
>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
>> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
>> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
>> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
>> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>
>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>
>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>
>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>
>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>>> just because of the older styling. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
 I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, 
 can 
 carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
 climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.

 The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
 willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  

 My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
 active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
 and ride the heck out of it more.  

 This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
 being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
 wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  

 [image: IMG_0408.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Matt





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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Masa! Are you enjoying your new Platypus? Good to hear from you.The Clem is definitely heavier, and I notice it at my weight. I have replaced a lot of parts with lighter ones (the most expensive being the wheelset) to lighten it up. The Clem accelerates more slowly but trucks along quickly once up to speed. I love the step-thru design - it’s romantic looking and dead practical.The Platy is more nimble and quick to accelerate. It feels notably lighter. I feel like it fits me better, but that’s not something I can quantify or that will necessarily be the same for you.They don’t feel similar - even though they are both step/thru or mixte they are very different machines. I’m glad to have both bikes. I wouldn’t want to part with either.I’m not sure if that was helpful but I ‘m happy to elaborate if you have more questions!LeahOn Dec 6, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Masa  wrote:Hi Leah, I would like to ask you how you compare Platypus and Clem Smith Jr L.They both are step-through but I assume that they feel pretty different when you ride them.And yes, what the nice photo of Slin, Clem and the babies!Masa2022年12月6日火曜日 7:00:58 UTC+9 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!:Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? I’m full of the good ideas.On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.Will took it for a spin too:On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:I do love my Saluki that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki just because of the older styling. On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, can carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear and ride the heck out of it more.  This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  Cheers,Matt



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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Andrew Turner]

My N=1 will very soon be the new Roadini with 44mm Snoqualmi EL tires. I'm 
another underbiker and my rides are usually recreational with a fanny 
pack's worth of gear on a lot of broken pavement. It took me a year to 
realize it's everything I wanted in a custom frame since they've upped it's 
appetite for tire capacity and when I saw Will's built up...Oof. As for 
commuting and grocery-getting via bike, I prefer a trusty-rusty fixie to 
lock-it-and-forget-it, so I'd personally steer away from Riv for that, but 
I won't promise the Roadini won't get a basket bestowed upon it one day ;) 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:00:58 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 
>
> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
> I’m full of the good ideas.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>
>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
>> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
>> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
>> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
>> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>
>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>
>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>
>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>
>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>>> just because of the older styling. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
 I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, 
 can 
 carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
 climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.

 The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
 willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  

 My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
 active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
 and ride the heck out of it more.  

 This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
 being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
 wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  

 [image: IMG_0408.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Matt





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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Masa]

Hi Leah, I would like to ask you how you compare Platypus and Clem Smith Jr 
L.
They both are step-through but I assume that they feel pretty different 
when you ride them.

And yes, what the nice photo of Slin, Clem and the babies!

Masa

2022年12月6日火曜日 7:00:58 UTC+9 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!:

> Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 
>
> Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
> way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
> exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
> comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
> Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
> And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
> I’m full of the good ideas.
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>
>> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
>> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
>> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
>> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
>> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>>
>> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference 
>> with the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>>
>> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>>
>> Will took it for a spin too:
>>
>> [image: 75290007.jpg]
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>>> just because of the older styling. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
 I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, 
 can 
 carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
 climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.

 The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
 willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  

 My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
 active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
 and ride the heck out of it more.  

 This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in 
 being a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo 
 wheelset and a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  

 [image: IMG_0408.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Matt





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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Look at those yummy babies! I mean, nice Clem, but the babies!!! 😍😍 

Once one has had a Clem with that wonderful step-through tube and the way 
way lax geometry, it is hard to replace. I ride my Platypuses nearly 
exclusively, but I won’t part with that blue Clem. It’s too good, too 
comfortable, and has its own brand of beauty. Someday you might like a 
Platy, but it doesn’t have to be at the expense of your Clem. Have both! 
And, when those little darlings get bigger, how about a 45 Clem for them? 
I’m full of the good ideas.

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:

> My answer is my Clem Smith Jr. I've been riding my first and only Riv for 
> about a year now and love it. Since I'm on the lighter side, every once in 
> a while, I wonder how a not-as-heavy-duty Riv, like a Platypus or AHH would 
> be for me. But then it might not work for the 95% of my rides where I'm 
> carrying about 60 lbs extra of passengers daily :)
>
> The step-through frame let me size up so there's no knee interference with 
> the front seat when pedaling, plus I can get on and off nice and easy.
>
> Here it is in Voltron Mode on a foggy day up on Twin Peaks here in SF.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0421.jpg]
>
> Will took it for a spin too:
>
> [image: 75290007.jpg]
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 6:31:53 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: FAC35277-76B6-4A4C-9309-F0F0D7425C13.jpeg]I do love my Saluki 
>> that I was lucky to find last year, same color as Matt’s.  I also have a 
>> Hillborne fitted with 48mm tires but I think my vote goes to the Saluki 
>> just because of the older styling. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> I've said it before and will say it again.  The Saluki is the best bike 
>>> I have ridden.  It goes as fast as I can, is lighter than the Atlantis, can 
>>> carry more than I have ever tried, takes wide enough tires + fenders, and 
>>> climbs as well as my lighter bikes.  It was also my introduction to 650B.
>>>
>>> The one fault it has is that they are pretty hard to find, so I am not 
>>> willing to lock it up for more than a couple minutes out of my sight.  
>>>
>>> My biggest fault is that I seem to be concerned about exposing it to 
>>> active rain and salt (snow), but I wish I could break myself of that fear 
>>> and ride the heck out of it more.  
>>>
>>> This one returned to me this year and is the closest of the two in being 
>>> a beater.  I pamper the purple one still. It now has a dynamo wheelset and 
>>> a Pass & Stow 3 rail rack.  
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0408.JPG]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Chris L]

I would say the Appaloosa.  I don't know the tube specs on the Hunqapillar 
but I've seen them for one run of the Appaloosa and I'm pretty sure the 
Hunq has lighter tubes.  

Last time I looked at Appaloosa geometry in my size (54-55cm), the 
Appaloosa was pretty much a longer chainstay Hunqapillar.  

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-6 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially 
> since those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's 
> current catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their 
> heavier-duty road touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic 
> precursor to the current iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool 
> bike that represents the transition between classic Riv geometry and the 
> more extreme long wheelbase swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to 
> see how the bikes and designs have evolved over time.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[James]

That's my dream ride.  The 62 Appaloosa is a touch large for me, and i'd 
love a single top tube.  Looks like a 61cm?  What's your PBH?

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:27:13 PM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: 9A9D2B46-EFDC-42B6-BF27-8B0F47E922AE.jpeg]
> Here is my n=1; it's a 2011 Toyo Atlantis and it is PERFECT (for me)
>
> Jeff
> Fairhope, AL
> On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 15:35:25 UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>> and equip it?
>>
>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>
>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>> dirt ratios.
>>
>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
>> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
>> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
>> vice.
>>
>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[J J]

@scottluly  thanks for your note. The 24F/36R ration is important to me for 
a few reasons, a few scenarios. It's there when I need it.  It gives me the 
proverbial bailout gear. It allows me to tackle steep, long climbs if I'm 
otherwise fatigued or in pain. It's easier on my knees and back. It helps 
when I haul very heavy loads up hills (75, 80 pounds is not unusual). It 
helps me get through slogs when I can balance pedaling anaerobically with 
going aerobic. I have as much high gearing as I practically need for the 
riding I do with the 46 big ring and 11 tooth rear, and I'm not interested 
in competitive riding, even "friendly" competition (I ignore riding mates 
who try to foment that dynamic!). It's handy to have the wide range. I see 
no down side to the super low gearing even if I don't use it much. I'm glad 
to have it when need arises though. I can only speak for myself, though! 
Everybody has their own needs and desires.

As an aside, I have not warmed up to 1x gearing even though I get why folks 
swear by it. I like triples.

I hope this was helpful, but if you were looking for something else, let me 
know.

Best wishes.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:51:45 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> @junes1junes, I'm building an Atlantis that I hope to use here and there 
> loaded for dirt touring and bike packing. At this point, I'm undecided on 
> gearing and your gearing raised my brows. On my MTB I run 26 front and 32 
> rear (as my lowest gear ratio) and that feels on the verge of spin out.
>
> Any thoughts on where your 24 front/36 rear combo shines and why you run 
> it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:41:23 AM MST, J J  
> wrote: 
>
>
>
> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>
>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with at 
>least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>- Rapid Rise RD
>- Friction thumb shifting
>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>- Cantilever brakes
>- B67 saddle
>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>- Good lights
>- Flat pedals
>- Rear rack
>
> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have to 
> fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The  more 
> examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the more 
> attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to have too 
> much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might be fun, 
> interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel compromised or 
> annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises nothing to me and 
> riding it puts me in a happy place.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it 
> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. 
> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both 
> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 
> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>
> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes and 
> makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was sorely 
> missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 2008) but 
> I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will change over 
> time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>
> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was 
> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise of 
> the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift my 
> answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go shopping 
> included gnarly singletrack! 
>
> Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
> SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
> Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care much 
> about spinning out)
> Deity pedals 
> WI rear hub
> Velocity Atlas rims
> Bosco bar

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Philip Williamson]

I have a custom Fitz that's my do-it-all one bike (just ignore those other 
bikes in the shed), but if I had to replace it with a Rivendell, there are 
a couple options. 
1. If it was my Quickbeam, I'd just change my riding habits, and maybe 
cheat with a couple different wheels. 
2. If I could buy a friend's Hunqapillar, I'd raise the gearing a bit and 
add a dynamo light.
3. If I was starting from scratch, it would be a nu-Atlantis with parts 
from the Fitz:
- SON/Onyx 700c Quill wheels with RH 55s
- Nitto RM-3 flared drops (I guess I'd need a Discord stem)
- Basket
- A 26.8 Gravity Dropper post (or hone the seat tube to 27.2 and use a 
Thomson)

Philip  
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Jason Fuller]

I've approached this thought experiment from every angle before. Given that 
I participate in a wide range of types of cycling (brevets, errands, 
commutes, multi-surface exploration, bikepacking / touring, and technical 
mountain biking) it really comes down to what is the number of bikes I own 
total vs. what Rivendell(s). 

I've consistently come to the same conclusion on an optimal balance - three 
bikes; a Brompton, the Hillborne, and a hardtail mountain bike.  So that 
means the Hillborne is my pick for one Rivendell: it's quick enough for 
brevets but also capable enough for loaded touring on FSRs. Even if I 
dropped the Brompton from that trio, the Hillborne could pick up the slack 
and do all the erranding I need with aplomb. 

If I had to go to one bike total, I'm not sure if it would be a Rivendell.  
But if it was, my Bombadil would be my pick with the Platypus in second 
place 

On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 15:56:52 UTC-8 Greg J wrote:

> I've only ridden 3 Rivendells, all of them pre-2003 models, so I don't 
> know what I'm missing on the newer models with the relaxed geo and long 
> chain stays.  But I have yet to find any faults* with the Waterford A/R 
> that I have, so I guess that would be the one for me!  26" wheels, triple 
> crank, bar end shifters, and (currently) drop bars.
>
> *Sometimes I wish it were lighter, but that would mean that it would be 
> less versatile for touring, off-road, etc., so I'll take it as is.  
>
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>> and equip it?
>>
>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>
>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>> dirt ratios.
>>
>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
>> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
>> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
>> vice.
>>
>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Greg J]

I've only ridden 3 Rivendells, all of them pre-2003 models, so I don't know 
what I'm missing on the newer models with the relaxed geo and long chain 
stays.  But I have yet to find any faults* with the Waterford A/R that I 
have, so I guess that would be the one for me!  26" wheels, triple crank, 
bar end shifters, and (currently) drop bars.

*Sometimes I wish it were lighter, but that would mean that it would be 
less versatile for touring, off-road, etc., so I'll take it as is.  

Greg

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[James]

I'm lucky enough to have 3 rivendells but I have to say, if I could only 
have one, it would be the Sam Hillborne or Atlantis.  Neither of which I 
have ever ridden but both seem like perfect do-it-all bikes.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:27:47 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have held off replying because nobody is wondering what my answer would 
> be. My heart belongs to the Platypus, or more accurately, the Rivendell 
> mixtes. I just want Grant to make one more - an anniversary model, extra 
> fancy. It should be a Unicorn, or maybe a butterfly. If he made it a 
> pearlescent pink I would be over the moon. He will never do this.
>
> I could just have a Platypus and sail off into the sunset of my remaining 
> decades. I tried, actually, but then didn’t like the constant switching of 
> bags and racks. So, I got a second. One a minimalist, one a beast of 
> burden. 
>
> When you ride a bike and it feels as familiar as your own legs, that’s 
> when you know. Anything else you throw a leg over is going to feel foreign 
> or make you feel wistful, “This is fine but I wish it had ___ like 
> my Platypus.”
>
> I’m impressed with the number of Hunq votes! That must have been a 
> near-perfect bike for a lot of people. I always thought the Legolas reigned 
> supreme with the people who liked Rivendell’s early models. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:55:34 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> [image: PXL_20220927_221729351.MP.jpg]
>>
>>
>> I love my clementine and I would be content with this as my one and only. 
>> It is a forever bike. The problem isn't so much choosing "one bike" 
>> - problem is now owning "the one bike" Rivendell I would love to own them 
>> all...
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:51:45 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> @junes1junes, I'm building an Atlantis that I hope to use here and there 
>>> loaded for dirt touring and bike packing. At this point, I'm undecided on 
>>> gearing and your gearing raised my brows. On my MTB I run 26 front and 32 
>>> rear (as my lowest gear ratio) and that feels on the verge of spin out.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on where your 24 front/36 rear combo shines and why you run 
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:41:23 AM MST, J J <
>>> junes...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
>>> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>>>
>>>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>>>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with 
>>>at least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>>>- Rapid Rise RD
>>>- Friction thumb shifting
>>>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>>>- Cantilever brakes
>>>- B67 saddle
>>>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>>>- Good lights
>>>- Flat pedals
>>>- Rear rack
>>>
>>> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have 
>>> to fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The 
>>>  more examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the 
>>> more attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to 
>>> have too much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might 
>>> be fun, interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel 
>>> compromised or annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises 
>>> nothing to me and riding it puts me in a happy place.
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
>>> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
>>> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
>>> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it 
>>> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. 
>>> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both 
>>> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 
>>> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
>>> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>>>
>>> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes 
>>> and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was 
>>> sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 
>>> 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will 
>>> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>>>
>>> Also also: I just did t

Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 @junes1junes, I'm building an Atlantis that I hope to use here and there 
loaded for dirt touring and bike packing. At this point, I'm undecided on 
gearing and your gearing raised my brows. On my MTB I run 26 front and 32 rear 
(as my lowest gear ratio) and that feels on the verge of spin out.
Any thoughts on where your 24 front/36 rear combo shines and why you run it?
Thanks in advance,
Scott

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:41:23 AM MST, J J 
 wrote:  
 
 
I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I am 
currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:   
   - Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
   - Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with at least 
36 tooth biggest in back)
   - Rapid Rise RD
   - Friction thumb shifting
   - Tires no smaller than 50mm
   - Cantilever brakes
   - B67 saddle
   - Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
   - Good lights
   - Flat pedals
   - Rear rack
I could get particular about specific components; they would just have to fit 
these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The  more examples 
of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the more attached I get to 
the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to have too much or too little of 
something relative to the Hunq. They might be fun, interesting, comfortable, 
capable, whatever, but they feel compromised or annoying in some way, big or 
small. The Hunq compromises nothing to me and riding it puts me in a happy 
place.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've ridden, 
and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or upright 
handlebars--it feels different but good with each.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:



On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I have now 
is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it as a 75% 
unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. I live and 
ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both while 
commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 up front, 
12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San Francisco hill and 
gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes and 
makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was sorely 
missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 2008) but I’m 
a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will change over time, 
but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough terrain 
with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was supremely 
comfortable on all of it. 
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise of the 
thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift my answer 
to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go shopping included 
gnarly singletrack! 
Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:SRAM 1x11 
drivetrainSugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care 
much about spinning out)Deity pedals WI rear hubVelocity Atlas rimsBosco 
barsFace Plater stemNitto postBrooks B17Paul Motolites and leversNitto Big Rack
I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I had Rick 
build my wheels. Would probably add front low-rider racks. 
This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except lugs..don't tell 
anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom has a couple, too) in a 
stouter frame that will handle big loads and gnarly terrain. 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your Rivendell 
raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you could have 
only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to serve all 
purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least light dirt and 
gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build and equip it?
I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a theft-be-damned 
but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the collection*, but if 
I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my gofast with a second set 
of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit with room to spare under the 
front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt anything else to the Riv. Lights: 
I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium which puts out at least as much 
brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[larson....@gmail.com]

Thanks James! The Appaloosa is the most aesthetically pleasing bike I own, 
and I guess that is factored in by many of us!

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-6 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Randy - I love this photo of your Appaloosa.  I gotta up my bike 
> photography skills!
>
> James
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:48:49 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My riding is road-centric (paved, gravel, dirt farm roads) so my  2TT 
>> 62cm Appaloosa does it all very well. It is comfortable, capable and fun to 
>> ride. The only thing I would like is more tire clearance to be able to ride 
>> trails and rough national forest roads, so maybe the 62cm Atlantis MIT, 
>> although I would love to give a Hunqapillar a try!
>> Randy in Wisconsin[image: Appaloosa 101022WEB.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:15 AM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
>>> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>>>
>>>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>>>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with 
>>>at least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>>>- Rapid Rise RD
>>>- Friction thumb shifting
>>>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>>>- Cantilever brakes
>>>- B67 saddle
>>>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>>>- Good lights
>>>- Flat pedals
>>>- Rear rack
>>>
>>> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have 
>>> to fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The 
>>>  more examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the 
>>> more attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to 
>>> have too much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might 
>>> be fun, interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel 
>>> compromised or annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises 
>>> nothing to me and riding it puts me in a happy place.
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
 ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
 upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.

 On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what 
>> I have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I 
>> see 
>> it as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my 
>> Atlantis. I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation 
>> changes both while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current 
>> setup (44-32-22 up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the 
>> steepest San Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>>
>> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my 
>> eyes and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I 
>> was sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first 
>> Riv 
>> in 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer 
>> will 
>> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>>
>> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
>> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis 
>> was 
>> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the 
>>> premise of the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So 
>>> I'll shift my answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the 
>>> ride 
>>> to go shopping included gnarly singletrack! 
>>>
>>> Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
>>> SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
>>> Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care 
>>> much about spinning out)
>>> Deity pedals 
>>> WI rear hub
>>> Velocity Atlas rims
>>> Bosco bars
>>> Face Plater stem
>>> Nitto post
>>> Brooks B17
>>> Paul Motolites and levers
>>> Nitto Big Rack
>>>
>>> I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I 
>>> had Rick build my wheels. 
>>> Would probably add front low-rider racks. 
>>>
>>> This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except 
>>> lugs..don't tell anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom 
>>> has 
>>> a couple, too) in a stouter frame that will handle

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[James M]

Randy - I love this photo of your Appaloosa.  I gotta up my bike 
photography skills!

James

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:48:49 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

> My riding is road-centric (paved, gravel, dirt farm roads) so my  2TT 62cm 
> Appaloosa does it all very well. It is comfortable, capable and fun to 
> ride. The only thing I would like is more tire clearance to be able to ride 
> trails and rough national forest roads, so maybe the 62cm Atlantis MIT, 
> although I would love to give a Hunqapillar a try!
> Randy in Wisconsin[image: Appaloosa 101022WEB.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:15 AM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>
>>
>> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
>> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>>
>>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with 
>>at least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>>- Rapid Rise RD
>>- Friction thumb shifting
>>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>>- Cantilever brakes
>>- B67 saddle
>>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>>- Good lights
>>- Flat pedals
>>- Rear rack
>>
>> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have to 
>> fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The  more 
>> examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the more 
>> attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to have too 
>> much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might be fun, 
>> interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel compromised or 
>> annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises nothing to me and 
>> riding it puts me in a happy place.
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 
>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
>>> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
>>> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]

 On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see 
> it 
> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my 
> Atlantis. 
> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes 
> both 
> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup 
> (44-32-22 
> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>
> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes 
> and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was 
> sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 
> 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will 
> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>
> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was 
> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the 
>> premise of the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So 
>> I'll shift my answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the 
>> ride 
>> to go shopping included gnarly singletrack! 
>>
>> Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
>> SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
>> Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care 
>> much about spinning out)
>> Deity pedals 
>> WI rear hub
>> Velocity Atlas rims
>> Bosco bars
>> Face Plater stem
>> Nitto post
>> Brooks B17
>> Paul Motolites and levers
>> Nitto Big Rack
>>
>> I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I 
>> had Rick build my wheels. 
>> Would probably add front low-rider racks. 
>>
>> This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except 
>> lugs..don't tell anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom 
>> has 
>> a couple, too) in a stouter frame that will handle big loads and gnarly 
>> terrain. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if 
>>> you 

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Conway Bennett]

The Clem Smith/tine use the Hunqapillar fork.  I have it in my head that 
those forks were produced in Taiwan and the frame in the USA.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-6 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially 
> since those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's 
> current catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their 
> heavier-duty road touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic 
> precursor to the current iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool 
> bike that represents the transition between classic Riv geometry and the 
> more extreme long wheelbase swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to 
> see how the bikes and designs have evolved over time.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[lconley]

They made the Atlantis both before and after the Hunqapillar (and 
Bombadil). The Hunqapillar was basically a lower cost Bombadil when first 
introduced. I would say that the Gus/Susie is the successor to the 
Bombadil/Hunqapillar. 

When I inquired about getting an Atlantis years ago, Riv recommended the 
Hunquapillar because of my weight for use as a touring bike. Later, a brand 
new Bombadil frame in my size (52) appeared on the website as a frame 
special for 40% off over the Thanksgiving weekend. Evidently someone had 
ordered it as a semi-custom and didn't like something about it. I maxed the 
credit card and bought it. I understand why people pick the Hunqapillar. 
When I put 650 x 41 Fatty Rumpkins on my Bombadil, it accelerates like road 
bike, but the bike can handle any load I throw at it. I have run it with 
drops and bullmoose bars. The Hunqapillar also has the best head badge of 
any Rivendell - love those trilobites.

Laing

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:41:26 AM UTC-5 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially 
> since those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's 
> current catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their 
> heavier-duty road touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic 
> precursor to the current iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool 
> bike that represents the transition between classic Riv geometry and the 
> more extreme long wheelbase swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to 
> see how the bikes and designs have evolved over time.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> 

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[J.C. Bryant]

Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially since 
those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's current 
catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their heavier-duty road 
touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic precursor to the current 
iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool bike that represents the 
transition between classic Riv geometry and the more extreme long wheelbase 
swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to see how the bikes and 
designs have evolved over time.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
> bike --- the Roadini.
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>> and equip it?
>>
>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>
>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>> dirt ratios.
>>
>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
>> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
>> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
>> vice.
>>
>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Shoji Takahashi]

My 650b Toyo Homer does all that presently. I'd change two things: 
canti/V-brakes instead of Paul centerpulls and clearance for 42 with 
fenders. 

I'm tempted by the Platypus for those reasons and the long chain stays...

I am fond of the Hunqapillar, but it was overbuilt for me and the riding I 
do.

Happy Thanksgiving!
shoji
Arlington MA



On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Sam Hillborne is the one Rivendell that has had staying power for me. I've 
> run the gamut of Rivs but there was something special about the Sam that 
> has been just right from the first day I rode it. It's had many guises — 
> from commuting to randonneuring and continues to do whatever I ask.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:38:23 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Piaw Na]

I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
bike --- the Roadini.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My 2013 700c 54cm Waterford Hunqapillar. Stripped down or loaded up, skinny 
tires or fat, swept-back Albratross bars or flat bars, it's perfect for me.

Sad Riv decided to stop making them and if mine were wrecked or stolen, I'd 
ask about ordering a custom copy.

John

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Marc Irwin]

Hunq for me.  Here in Michigan we have every kind of road, temperature and 
precipitation, if I had to have only one bike, the Hunq can handle it. 

Marc



On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:35:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[J J]

I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I am 
currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:

   - Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
   - Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with at 
   least 36 tooth biggest in back)
   - Rapid Rise RD
   - Friction thumb shifting
   - Tires no smaller than 50mm
   - Cantilever brakes
   - B67 saddle
   - Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
   - Good lights
   - Flat pedals
   - Rear rack

I could get particular about specific components; they would just have to 
fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The  more 
examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the more 
attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to have too 
much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might be fun, 
interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel compromised or 
annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises nothing to me and 
riding it puts me in a happy place.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
>> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
>>> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it 
>>> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. 
>>> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both 
>>> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 
>>> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
>>> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>>>
>>> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes 
>>> and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was 
>>> sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 
>>> 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will 
>>> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>>>
>>> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
>>> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was 
>>> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise 
 of the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift 
 my answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go 
 shopping included gnarly singletrack! 

 Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
 SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
 Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care much 
 about spinning out)
 Deity pedals 
 WI rear hub
 Velocity Atlas rims
 Bosco bars
 Face Plater stem
 Nitto post
 Brooks B17
 Paul Motolites and levers
 Nitto Big Rack

 I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I 
 had Rick build my wheels. 
 Would probably add front low-rider racks. 

 This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except lugs..don't 
 tell anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom has a couple, 
 too) in a stouter frame that will handle big loads and gnarly terrain. 

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if 
> you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had 
> to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you 
> build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to 
> the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which 
> fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not 
> bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy t

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Conway Bennett]

I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
>> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it 
>> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. 
>> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both 
>> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 
>> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
>> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>>
>> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes 
>> and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was 
>> sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 
>> 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will 
>> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>>
>> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
>> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was 
>> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise 
>>> of the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift 
>>> my answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go 
>>> shopping included gnarly singletrack! 
>>>
>>> Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
>>> SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
>>> Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care much 
>>> about spinning out)
>>> Deity pedals 
>>> WI rear hub
>>> Velocity Atlas rims
>>> Bosco bars
>>> Face Plater stem
>>> Nitto post
>>> Brooks B17
>>> Paul Motolites and levers
>>> Nitto Big Rack
>>>
>>> I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I had 
>>> Rick build my wheels. 
>>> Would probably add front low-rider racks. 
>>>
>>> This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except lugs..don't 
>>> tell anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom has a couple, 
>>> too) in a stouter frame that will handle big loads and gnarly terrain. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
 Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if 
 you 
 could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had 
 to 
 serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
 light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
 and equip it?

 I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
 theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
 collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
 gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which 
 fit 
 with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
 anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
 which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
 than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
 all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for 
 my 
 Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, 
 and 
 augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
 on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 

 Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make 
 a mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires 
 and 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off 
 road with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would 
 keep 
 the 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass 
 rear for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; 
 and then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub 
 with a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good 
 pavement-to-moderate dirt ratios.

 Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
 pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
 because the dir

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Joe Bernard]

I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise of 
the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift my 
answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go shopping 
included gnarly singletrack! 

Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care much 
about spinning out)
Deity pedals 
WI rear hub
Velocity Atlas rims
Bosco bars
Face Plater stem
Nitto post
Brooks B17
Paul Motolites and levers
Nitto Big Rack

I'd swap the front hub for a SON Dyno, a move I wish I'd done when I had 
Rick build my wheels. 
Would probably add front low-rider racks. 

This would give me all the stuff I love about Rivs (except lugs..don't tell 
anybody but I love the fillet welds on Gus, my custom has a couple, too) in 
a stouter frame that will handle big loads and gnarly terrain. 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Hoch in ut]

Ah, one bike topic—winter time must be upon us. 🙂 
I’m also fortunate to have a bike for almost every purpose. But if I had to 
choose one, it wouldn’t be a Rivendell. Unfortunately, there is no lighter 
tubed, traditional Diamond frame bike with ~2.2” clearance available. 

I currently ride a Romanceur. 2.2” for off road and (currently) 38’s for 
commuting and road riding. Diamond frame for a frame pack for bikepacking. 
 I’d happily ride this bike year round. 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:35:25 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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