Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
Curious: does anyone have any experience with and thus evaluations of the Specialized "Hemisphere" 38? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
A 62cm Saluki somewhere will one day have my name on it... :) On Oct 15, 11:14 am, Michael_S wrote: > well David, you should order one of the new Rawland Sogn's so you can > try out the tires. and help the cause! > I got my pre-order in. > > regarding tires... I seem to change them out long before they've worn > out too I think its a function of flat frequency and just the need > to try something different. > > ~Mike~ > > On Oct 15, 10:42 am, "[email protected]" > wrote: > > > This was what I was waiting for for a long time. If these could have > > come out a couple years ago, I'd still have my Bleriot! > > > On Oct 15, 10:09 am, stevep33 wrote: > > > > On a related note, Rawland Cycles is working with Kirk Pacenti to > > > produce a Mini-Moto. This will be a 650b 43c knobbie. It's a > > > particularly exciting development considering that many frames won't > > > fit the wider 2.0 650b Quasi-Moto. They are need preorders for 300 > > > tires via the Rawland site. I've ordered a set. Someone please order > > > the other 298 tires! > > > >http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2010/10/pacenti-mini-moto.html > > > > On Oct 14, 11:41 pm, benzzoy wrote: > > > > > On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and > > > > may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the > > > > magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan > > > > Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated > > > > that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so > > > > 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the > > > > startup costs over thousands of tires. > > > > Cheers, > > > > B > > > > > * This is, of course, a WAG.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
well David, you should order one of the new Rawland Sogn's so you can try out the tires. and help the cause! I got my pre-order in. regarding tires... I seem to change them out long before they've worn out too I think its a function of flat frequency and just the need to try something different. ~Mike~ On Oct 15, 10:42 am, "[email protected]" wrote: > This was what I was waiting for for a long time. If these could have > come out a couple years ago, I'd still have my Bleriot! > > On Oct 15, 10:09 am, stevep33 wrote: > > > > > On a related note, Rawland Cycles is working with Kirk Pacenti to > > produce a Mini-Moto. This will be a 650b 43c knobbie. It's a > > particularly exciting development considering that many frames won't > > fit the wider 2.0 650b Quasi-Moto. They are need preorders for 300 > > tires via the Rawland site. I've ordered a set. Someone please order > > the other 298 tires! > > >http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2010/10/pacenti-mini-moto.html > > > On Oct 14, 11:41 pm, benzzoy wrote: > > > > On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and > > > may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the > > > magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan > > > Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated > > > that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so > > > 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the > > > startup costs over thousands of tires. > > > Cheers, > > > B > > > > * This is, of course, a WAG.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
This was what I was waiting for for a long time. If these could have come out a couple years ago, I'd still have my Bleriot! On Oct 15, 10:09 am, stevep33 wrote: > On a related note, Rawland Cycles is working with Kirk Pacenti to > produce a Mini-Moto. This will be a 650b 43c knobbie. It's a > particularly exciting development considering that many frames won't > fit the wider 2.0 650b Quasi-Moto. They are need preorders for 300 > tires via the Rawland site. I've ordered a set. Someone please order > the other 298 tires! > > http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2010/10/pacenti-mini-moto.html > > On Oct 14, 11:41 pm, benzzoy wrote: > > > On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and > > may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the > > magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan > > Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated > > that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so > > 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the > > startup costs over thousands of tires. > > Cheers, > > B > > > * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
To get back to this idea - guess it depends on the tire and use. I got rid of a pair of tires after 50 miles, one flat and one other serious cut in the casing. Otherwise, generally run tires until I start getting flats or I feel it's time to change. Like not wanting to commute in the dark and worry about a tire change. Am definitely more of a tire swapper than I used to be. Back in the 1980's would put tires on and leave them until (a) they rotted off or (b) something "better" came along. Swapped IRC Racer X1 tires out for Specialized Ground Control. The rear tire on my Fargo went belly up at about 1,100 miles. The tires on my Sam Hillborne have worked for almost two years and close to 2,500 miles. Even then, though, I might swap for a different "feel". My neighbor says the garage looks like "an old bike shop" with all the tires hanging from hooks from the rafters. Along with a few extra wheels. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 14, 9:18 pm, Angus wrote: > Just curious how the RBW bunch approaches tire wear. I can only guess > that we cover all corners of the spectrum. > > I view Rivendell's as long lasting, practical, bicycles that we don't > have to spend a ton of money to maintain...so why replace the tires as > the first sign of wear. > > I have literally seen people buy a pair of $50 road tires immediately > prior to a club bike ride because they thought one tire was "bad" (it > seemed obvious to me that the tube was twisted leading to the "bump" > in the tire). > > I, on the other hand, run the tires (on my Rivendell's) down until the > tube blows through the cords of a totally worn out Pasela. > > This behavior is inspired by: > 1. A Scottish father...love ya Dad! > 2. Reading a story entitled "The Tire War" in a bicycle magazine many > years ago. > > The group I rode MTBs with was always creating new "contests"...a tire > war fit the bill perfectly. > We all purchased new tires at the same time and whoever rode the > longest (by calendar not miles) on the tires won. At first it was all > good funand then the knobs started wearing down. I became adept > at sliding a MTB around the loose CA trails, sewing and booting cuts > in the side wall, avoiding riding on pavement and jumping off the bike > when traction had left me in a bad situation. I "spun out" the bike > once...the back end got loose and as I corrected the slide the > rotation never stopped...I left the trail going backwards! After a > couple of us ended up with stitches from sliding over rocks due to the > previously mentioned total lack of traction, the contest was > abandoned. > > Maybe it wasn't such a good idea after all. > > Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
On a related note, Rawland Cycles is working with Kirk Pacenti to produce a Mini-Moto. This will be a 650b 43c knobbie. It's a particularly exciting development considering that many frames won't fit the wider 2.0 650b Quasi-Moto. They are need preorders for 300 tires via the Rawland site. I've ordered a set. Someone please order the other 298 tires! http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2010/10/pacenti-mini-moto.html On Oct 14, 11:41 pm, benzzoy wrote: > On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and > may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the > magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan > Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated > that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so > 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the > startup costs over thousands of tires. > Cheers, > B > > * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
Tires just aren't all that expensive. If you shop around online, end of season, etc you can get pretty decent deals on "mass market" tires like Schwalbe and Panaracer. Hetres and Riv tires maybe not so much. I guess there are some people here who do serious annual mileage, so cost might be an issue if you are truly wearing out 2 or 3 sets a year. In that case, I bet you could even get your LBS to cut you a deal if you bought 10 or 12 tires at a time if you would actually go through them since, as Doug P said, rubber doesn't get better with age! On Oct 14, 10:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Angus wrote: > > Just curious how the RBW bunch approaches tire wear. I can only guess > > that we cover all corners of the spectrum. > > > I view Rivendell's as long lasting, practical, bicycles that we don't > > have to spend a ton of money to maintain...so why replace the tires as > > the first sign of wear. > > > I have literally seen people buy a pair of $50 road tires immediately > > prior to a club bike ride because they thought one tire was "bad" (it > > seemed obvious to me that the tube was twisted leading to the "bump" > > in the tire). > > Maybe another interesting question: > How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before > you hit the bulk-discount price? > > For example - if I love the pasela panaracers and maybe the jack brown > greens- how many do I need to buy before I see a discount on them. > > if I know I'm going to go through N of them in the next few years - > how many other people do I need to go in on the purchase of them to > see a price difference. > > inquiring minds want to know. > > -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
Tires have a shelf life. I wouldn't get too many years ahead of myself. My guess is any discount would be on identical tires or perhaps a mix of sizes of the same tire. On the Riv rides I've been on, everyone has their own idea of the "best tire", with little agreement. Now, if we could just get 100 people to agree to all buy Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, we'dprobably clean out all the stock in North America. dougP On Oct 14, 8:41 pm, benzzoy wrote: > On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > Maybe another interesting question: > > How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before > > you hit the bulk-discount price? > > At least for the Grand Bois, Bicycle Quarterly is offering about 10% > off if one purchases 4 or more. > > Or perhaps you're thinking of a discount greater than that, like a > "group buy" where a group purchases directly from the manufacturer. > > The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and > may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the > magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan > Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated > that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so > 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the > startup costs over thousands of tires. > > If the number of participants is decreased to reduce the logistical > requirement, then each participant may need to buy a whole > lot...certainly more than what "normal" people would need, especially > if the tires concerned are high-mileage kinds. Even a moderate- > mileage bike nut like myself would think long and hard at 20 units of > high-performance/low-mileage Grand Bois Cypress 700x30, but I may > consider it if it's 10 units (hint!). > > Cheers, > B > > * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tire wear/wars (50% OT)
On Oct 14, 7:22 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > Maybe another interesting question: > How many people buying a particular type of tire does it take before > you hit the bulk-discount price? At least for the Grand Bois, Bicycle Quarterly is offering about 10% off if one purchases 4 or more. Or perhaps you're thinking of a discount greater than that, like a "group buy" where a group purchases directly from the manufacturer. The logistics of coordinating such an event is fairly substantial and may outweigh the savings such an event provides. With tires, the magic number may be around 100. I'm basing this on a remark from Jan Heine when Kirk Pacenti was introducing the Pari-Moto. Jan postulated that Kirk would be close to break-even (for mold cost) at 200 tires so 100 seems like a good number* if the tire manufacturer amortizes the startup costs over thousands of tires. If the number of participants is decreased to reduce the logistical requirement, then each participant may need to buy a whole lot...certainly more than what "normal" people would need, especially if the tires concerned are high-mileage kinds. Even a moderate- mileage bike nut like myself would think long and hard at 20 units of high-performance/low-mileage Grand Bois Cypress 700x30, but I may consider it if it's 10 units (hint!). Cheers, B * This is, of course, a WAG. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
