[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Thanks everyone for the replies! I like the brainstorming around the nomenclature, as I agree that performance upright doesn't exactly lend itself to going viral. I have actually thought of trying to use roadster, since this connects the bikes I'm thinking about currently back to older versions of similar things, namely upright bikes from Raleigh's heyday. Although in that particular case roadster connotes the heavier, brick-sh*thouse type bikes while what I'm getting at would be closer to the sports or clubman style bikes. Roadster also connects to Mike Flanigan's original Light Roadster concept, which is very much in the category I'm thinking about. Sad that he is no longer building under his own brand. Finally, roadster also ties in the automotive comparison, of sporty-yet-comfortable vehicles for spirited driving, especially old Triumphs, Austin-Healeys, MG's, etc. Roadster is currently being used as a model name by Linus, however. I like Sportster as well, although that seems to be also used as a model name by Scott. In any case, I'll try to get some more thoughts down soon about handlebar choice (a lot owing to Grant there) and other considerations in the performance upright category. Keep your thoughts coming! -jeremy On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Comfort Sport Bike sounds like a winner to me. On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 6:37:14 AM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote: SS: sensible sport CS: comfort sport -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Comfort Sport or sounds like a great category descriptor! On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 6:37:14 AM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote: SS: sensible sport CS: comfort sport -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Chipotle to the restaurant world is Jeremy's category to the cycling world The category is Fast Casual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
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Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
hahaha Fast Casual I like it! On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote: You might say you're getting a lot of mileage out of it. On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 4:07:22 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Evidently, Chipotle is surprisingly versatile for many cycling analogies! KJ On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Chipotle to the restaurant world is Jeremy's category to the cycling world The category is Fast Casual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Evidently, Chipotle is surprisingly versatile for many cycling analogies! KJ On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Chipotle to the restaurant world is Jeremy's category to the cycling world The category is Fast Casual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
You might say you're getting a lot of mileage out of it. On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 4:07:22 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: Evidently, Chipotle is surprisingly versatile for many cycling analogies! KJ On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 3:50:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Chipotle to the restaurant world is Jeremy's category to the cycling world The category is Fast Casual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
+1 -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:51 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright Chipotle to the restaurant world is Jeremy's category to the cycling world The category is Fast Casual -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
We of the Upright Cyclists Brigade are mildly amused. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Phillips jphillip...@icloud.com wrote: The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
No no no... Not Sport, Transport... Mike Flanigan's ANT mantra. On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:00:55 PM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: Sport Transport! Brian On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:57:35 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: We of the Upright Cyclists Brigade are mildly amused. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Phillips jphil...@icloud.com wrote: The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Promenderandonneurs (or Prandos, if you wish) KJ On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 12:54:12 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote: The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Promenaderrandonneurs (or, 'Prandos' if you wish). KJ On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 2:57:42 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Sport Transport! Brian On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:57:35 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: We of the Upright Cyclists Brigade are mildly amused. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Phillips jphil...@icloud.com javascript: wrote: The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Although Mike’s bikes, in my experience, are mostly quite sprightly – even sporty. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anton Tutter Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:15 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright No no no... Not Sport, Transport... Mike Flanigan's ANT mantra. On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:00:55 PM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: Sport Transport! Brian On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 9:57:35 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: We of the Upright Cyclists Brigade are mildly amused. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Phillips jphil...@icloud.commailto:jphil...@icloud.com wrote: The name needs some snappy alliteration and/or assonance like gravel grinder if it's going to stick. My vote goes for Keith's idea: Couch Rocket or maybe Retro Couch Rocket. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
This morning I was thinking about bikes while in the shower and Casual Sport popped into my mind. It's still a bit of an oxymoron but it rolls off the tongue quite easily and has some continuity with the Sport Tourer category of years gone by. Hopefully I didn't unconsciously pick that up from someone who's already posted it here or over at the I-BOB list. On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I was going to suggest Sport Roadster, but then saw that Linus has a similar sounding Roadster Sport. http://www.linusbike.com/products/roadster-sport?variant=100522862 On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 7:37:14 AM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: SS: sensible sport CS: comfort sport -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
SS: sensible sport CS: comfort sport -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can you provide a link to your gallery? On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I'd say they are upright bars since they're essentially flat, maybe a slight rise (or drop) in some. A gray area would be Woodchippers, etc. Semi-drop? dougP On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: Would the mustache and albastache bars be considered an upright or drop bar? Do they fit this category? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Chris Lampe: scroll down the page under the picture, you'll see the groups and galleries that the photo is a member of. I took a screenshot, see attached. Look for blue arrow. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can you provide a link to your gallery? On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote: My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others can chime in. I was kind of thinking the same thing. If your goal is to proselytize and convert other people's thinking, you're going to need to quoin a much catchier name for the category. Detractors will certainly have plenty or derogatory nicknames: old man's bikes, sit-up-and-beg bikes, Dutch-heavy, Townies, etc. Not sure what that might be, though. Being a bit tongue in cheek here, because I can't think of anything better myself, but it needs to capture your imagination the way gravel grinder or monster cross do. Something like couch rockets, or comfort speedsters, or ergo-racers, or enthusiast cruisers... encruzers? And you're going to have to spend some effort explaining (or referencing others who can explain) WHY such bikes should be taken seriously as performance machines, and why it's not as simple as slapping some upright bars on a light bike. Explain why building and setting one up properly requires a completely different mindset - all the way to frame geometry. Even in this group, where you're preaching to the choir, it's hard to verbalize those things. For instance, when Patrick was having trouble with the handling of his Rambouillet recently, and he was determined to start from the assumption that his saddle needed to be located exactly the same, relative to the bottom bracket, as all his other bikes, I found myself completely unable to explain why he needed to let go and do something different. How do you explain that the performance aspect is achieved by retaining the *same*, body angles and position that people are used to (and emotionally invested in), and which provides the most efficiency and power - but that this position is somehow rotated - so that the seat may be set back further, and the seatpost extended less, and the handlebars higher and closer, etc...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Jeremy, this was a timely thread for me. I was thinking this week, outside of this group, there really isn't a place for me to read about bicycles that I like, which are the bikes you are describing. I am looking forward to the Flickr Group and more photos to peruse over. Dropped bar bikes fell out of fashion for me years ago. I found them uncomfortable at best and is one of the reasons that I was an early adopter of riding mountain bikes as a commuter in the early 80's when the first Stumpjumper came out. I was mesmerized by that bike. I don't even look at dropped bar bikes now, even if you have a Rivendell, the drop bar ruins it for me. When I go to NAHBS and see a well hand crafted bike my thoughts are, can an upright bar be retrofitted to the bike. Better yet, bikes at NAHBS that are designed around upright bars. Yip San makes great bikes with upright bars and many other builders like ANT who you mentioned. My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others can chime in. Thanks for your Blog and Flickr photos. Looking forward to reading more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
wonderful bikes, all, but I was particularly impressed with the Clem setup. On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I would argue that upright refers to the riding position of the person on the bike, rather than the type of handlebars. If drop bars are way high and result in a relatively upright riding position, it's an upright bike in my eyes. I ride MTB bars exclusively with anywhere from 24mm to 60mm of rise and I consider every one to be upright because that's how I set up the bike. The really hi-rise bars I've tried had too much pullback for my tastes. I seem to be most comfortable with between 9 and maybe 15 degrees of sweep. The worst thing I've ever ridden, by far, was the Albatross bar. Having the grips almost parallel to the top tube just does not work for me. On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:44:29 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote: Would the mustache and albastache bars be considered an upright or drop bar? Do they fit this category? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Thanks! Right after I posted my question I figured out that the OP had imbedded the gallery on his blog and that simply clicking the photo of the bike would scroll thru the images. Now I have a guideline for the Flickr website itself! On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:22:12 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Chris Lampe: scroll down the page under the picture, you'll see the groups and galleries that the photo is a member of. I took a screenshot, see attached. Look for blue arrow. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can you provide a link to your gallery? On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be anyway. That leaves Sport Cruiser? Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name. Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I refer to my bikes with non road bars as 'semi-uprights'. Anton, whose back is at about a 50-55 degree angle when riding with non-drop bars. On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:40:05 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote: On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote: My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others can chime in. I was kind of thinking the same thing. If your goal is to proselytize and convert other people's thinking, you're going to need to quoin a much catchier name for the category. Detractors will certainly have plenty or derogatory nicknames: old man's bikes, sit-up-and-beg bikes, Dutch-heavy, Townies, etc. Not sure what that might be, though. Being a bit tongue in cheek here, because I can't think of anything better myself, but it needs to capture your imagination the way gravel grinder or monster cross do. Something like couch rockets, or comfort speedsters, or ergo-racers, or enthusiast cruisers... encruzers? And you're going to have to spend some effort explaining (or referencing others who can explain) WHY such bikes should be taken seriously as performance machines, and why it's not as simple as slapping some upright bars on a light bike. Explain why building and setting one up properly requires a completely different mindset - all the way to frame geometry. Even in this group, where you're preaching to the choir, it's hard to verbalize those things. For instance, when Patrick was having trouble with the handling of his Rambouillet recently, and he was determined to start from the assumption that his saddle needed to be located exactly the same, relative to the bottom bracket, as all his other bikes, I found myself completely unable to explain why he needed to let go and do something different. How do you explain that the performance aspect is achieved by retaining the *same*, body angles and position that people are used to (and emotionally invested in), and which provides the most efficiency and power - but that this position is somehow rotated - so that the seat may be set back further, and the seatpost extended less, and the handlebars higher and closer, etc...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
You're on to something. Gosh, why not just call them sportster bikes. As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day comfort and good looks, as opposed to singularly focused, race-oriented, muscle-machines. Examples of actual sportsters from other disciplines: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be anyway. That leaves Sport Cruiser? Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name. Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Sportster bike...It would probably get shortened to Sportster. Hmmm...that might work. Especially for the Waterford frames made in Wisconsin (birthplace of the Harley Davidson Sportster). I have a 650b Homer (with Albas) on order and we all know that the 650b Homer is just a Saluki with a stealth paint job. I'll make my own headbadge...Saluki Sportster. :-) Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: You're on to something. Gosh, why not just call them sportster bikes. As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day comfort and good looks, as opposed to singularly focused, race-oriented, muscle-machines. Examples of actual sportsters from other disciplines: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be anyway. That leaves Sport Cruiser? Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name. Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Ok, now that I did some checking, I found such a bike on the REI website. Called the Scott Sportster 50 Bike – 2015. The easy-riding Scott Sportster 50 bike offers a comfortable upright riding position and speedy, smooth-rolling wheels for mellow commutes, riding around town or cruising along your local bike path. http://www.rei.com/product/879474/scott-sportster-50-bike-2015 I don’t like the bike pictured, but put a quill stem on it, raise the handlebars, ditch the disc brakes and shocks... and it wouldn't be too bad. At least the Scott concept of a Sportster fits our concept to some degree. Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:29:34 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: Sportster bike...It would probably get shortened to Sportster. Hmmm...that might work. Especially for the Waterford frames made in Wisconsin (birthplace of the Harley Davidson Sportster). I have a 650b Homer (with Albas) on order and we all know that the 650b Homer is just a Saluki with a stealth paint job. I'll make my own headbadge...Saluki Sportster. :-) Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: You're on to something. Gosh, why not just call them sportster bikes. As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day comfort and good looks, as opposed to singularly focused, race-oriented, muscle-machines. Examples of actual sportsters from other disciplines: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be anyway. That leaves Sport Cruiser? Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name. Doug On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Would truncating it to Performance Uprights aid the evangelizing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
comfortable is always fast in the long run. good thoughts. enjoy. scott bend, or On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I feel like my Handsome Devil is close to what you are thinking and I may either have. 650B or 700c frame made by a local builder with this concept in mind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I've always considered this to be a better bike than a road bike or a mountain bike for most people. My first adult bike was a 1995 Trek Multitrack but I had it set in a way that meets your definition. Right now, I'm riding a larger size version of that same bike. My newest bike that I will probably transition back to riding more also meets the criteria. It's based on a Handsome Devil frameset. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vIgiQCQgbsw/VMlLwC2eFeI/AE4/cgFgPd5phTw/s1600/IMG_1308.JPG On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
Jeremy, I enjoyed reading the post and looking at the Flickr gallery. Your experience with and feelings toward the upright bars mirrors mine. I look forward to reading your future posts on this topic. Thanks, Erl On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've always considered this to be a better bike than a road bike or a mountain bike for most people. My first adult bike was a 1995 Trek Multitrack but I had it set in a way that meets your definition. Right now, I'm riding a larger size version of that same bike. My newest bike that I will probably transition back to riding more also meets the criteria. It's based on a Handsome Devil frameset. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vIgiQCQgbsw/VMlLwC2eFeI/AE4/cgFgPd5phTw/s1600/IMG_1308.JPG On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
I'm also on board with this perspective. Personally, I think I was hung up on drop bars, thinking that they were the apparent default road bars because it had been determined they were versatile, comfortable and just the best for serious cycling. I assumed that I just needed to dial things in to reach a level of comfort and natural control of the bike. That never really happened and I'm now wondering if I'm just best off with what feels best, and honestly admit that is usually Albas or some kind of swept-back city bars with mountain-type brake levers. I recently built up a new Rambouillet with Albas and it may very well stay that way. BUT BUT - it's a ROAD BIKE! You can't do that! But really, if it feels right, why not? KJ On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 2:57:42 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright
This style goes back a long way. In 1976 I bought a Raleigh Super Tourer DL135. It was essentially their Competition, reduced to 5 speed with North Road bars. Otherwise... had everything the Comp had: 531 DB frame with side tack seat stays, chromed fork blades and chain stays, TA crank, Huret derailler, etc. Fabulous bike. Would love to still have it. Here's a shot of that model. https://www.flickr.com/photos/30468375@N08/8690910502/in/set-72157631875989330/ On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. I want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees or no. I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. -jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
