[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Let's close this thread, please. On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Mojo wrote: > > Well if you are still reading this string, you must be interested in > how a trade in good faith can go bad. Below is the email exchange > between Johnny and I, chronology from bottom to top. > > The two email clients that Johnny is talking about are my login here: > Mojo and my email address from home. Johnny answered my emails until > 25Sep, then did not. Johnny mailed his pump on 16Sep, the day after he > got mine. I sent him a weekly email on 1Oct and again on 8Oct keeping > him informed of my no-pump arrival situation. Perhaps these emails did > not reach him. But all my other emails to friends and family seem to > have arrived OK. > > I understand Johnny is upset that I accused him of being a Scammer. I > apologize. But I did go from 25Sep until 8Oct without a response from > him. For me it wasn't about the pump, it was more about the trust. > > I have learned to not do a purchase or trade with any one in chat > groups without giving and getting a tracking number. That way actions > are more transparent. > > By the way, no pump has arrived here as of Saturday mail delivery. > > I wish Johnny and all of you Happy Riding. > > - Original Message > From: Joe Ramey > To: Jonathan Bell > Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 8:07:38 AM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > OK Johnny, > > Its been another week without your pump showing up here and now you > are not talking to me. So what's up? > > I would hate to have to out you on the Riv list as a scammer. > Wishing you Instant Karma > > > > - Original Message > From: Joe Ramey > To: Jonathan Bell > Sent: Thu, October 1, 2009 6:57:17 PM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > Johnny, > > It has been another week, and over two weeks since you sent your pump, > and 3 weeks since I sent mine. Still your pump has not arrived here. > Do you have any tracking information on your package? What should we > do now? > > Joe > > > > - Original Message > From: Jonathan Bell > To: Joe Ramey > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:34:20 AM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > Wellit is odd. The Medium I guess is the right size but it does > not fit in tight. It goes the length of the top tube and matches > the > length but is not tight so that even with a strap it will flop put > of > place if you hit it. The large won't fit at all. It is a cm or so > too big. I guess the answer is a medium with two straps to hold it > better. > > If you have a medium pump I could send this one back or I can just > keep it and see if anyone will trade me a medium for it. I could > also > figure out a price for the Quicker Pump and you could Paypal me. I > would of course not expect any payment until it arrived at your house. > > Johnny > > > On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Joe Ramey wrote: > > > Thanks for writing, No, still no pump. If you sent it non-Priority, > > it can take awhile. > > > > So my Large and a Medium didn't work for you? > > > > What do you want so that I can keep the Quicker Pro? > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Joe Ramey > > To: Jonathan Bell > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42:32 PM > > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > > > Johnny, > > > > I haven't heard from you in a week, and still no pump from you. > > Are we OK? > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Joe Ramey > > To: Jonathan Bell > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:15:39 AM > > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > > > Johnny, > > > > I don't want you to be stuck with a pump that doesn't work. Do you > > want to re-trade? > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Jonathan Bell > > To: Joe Ramey > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:52:05 PM > > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > > > Got the pump today. I sent your pump out yesterday. I have been > > pretty sick and fell behind in everything but lying in bed. At that > > task I excelled. Hope it works out good for you. The pump actually > > is a notch too big. The whole thing confuses me. I tried a med and it > > was too small but a large is too big. I just can't make sense of it. > > > > Johnny > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Joe Ramey wrote: > > > >> Johnny, > >> > >> Haven't heard from you for over a week. Have you received my pump? > >> Nothing here yet. > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message > >> From: Joe Ramey > >> To: Jonathan Bell > >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:33:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > >> > >> Johnny, > >> > >> Thursday, I shipped your Blackburn pump from Minturn Colorado, a > >> little town in the center of the state. We were on our way to climb > >> Mt Massive > >> > http://www.14ers.com/photos/peakphoto.php?peak=Mt.+Massive&l
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Well if you are still reading this string, you must be interested in how a trade in good faith can go bad. Below is the email exchange between Johnny and I, chronology from bottom to top. The two email clients that Johnny is talking about are my login here: Mojo and my email address from home. Johnny answered my emails until 25Sep, then did not. Johnny mailed his pump on 16Sep, the day after he got mine. I sent him a weekly email on 1Oct and again on 8Oct keeping him informed of my no-pump arrival situation. Perhaps these emails did not reach him. But all my other emails to friends and family seem to have arrived OK. I understand Johnny is upset that I accused him of being a Scammer. I apologize. But I did go from 25Sep until 8Oct without a response from him. For me it wasn't about the pump, it was more about the trust. I have learned to not do a purchase or trade with any one in chat groups without giving and getting a tracking number. That way actions are more transparent. By the way, no pump has arrived here as of Saturday mail delivery. I wish Johnny and all of you Happy Riding. - Original Message From: Joe Ramey To: Jonathan Bell Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 8:07:38 AM Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump OK Johnny, Its been another week without your pump showing up here and now you are not talking to me. So what's up? I would hate to have to out you on the Riv list as a scammer. Wishing you Instant Karma - Original Message From: Joe Ramey To: Jonathan Bell Sent: Thu, October 1, 2009 6:57:17 PM Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump Johnny, It has been another week, and over two weeks since you sent your pump, and 3 weeks since I sent mine. Still your pump has not arrived here. Do you have any tracking information on your package? What should we do now? Joe - Original Message From: Jonathan Bell To: Joe Ramey Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:34:20 AM Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump Wellit is odd. The Medium I guess is the right size but it does not fit in tight. It goes the length of the top tube and matches the length but is not tight so that even with a strap it will flop put of place if you hit it. The large won't fit at all. It is a cm or so too big. I guess the answer is a medium with two straps to hold it better. If you have a medium pump I could send this one back or I can just keep it and see if anyone will trade me a medium for it. I could also figure out a price for the Quicker Pump and you could Paypal me. I would of course not expect any payment until it arrived at your house. Johnny On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Joe Ramey wrote: > Thanks for writing, No, still no pump. If you sent it non-Priority, > it can take awhile. > > So my Large and a Medium didn't work for you? > > What do you want so that I can keep the Quicker Pro? > > > - Original Message > From: Joe Ramey > To: Jonathan Bell > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42:32 PM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > Johnny, > > I haven't heard from you in a week, and still no pump from you. > Are we OK? > > > > - Original Message > From: Joe Ramey > To: Jonathan Bell > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:15:39 AM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > Johnny, > > I don't want you to be stuck with a pump that doesn't work. Do you > want to re-trade? > > > > - Original Message > From: Jonathan Bell > To: Joe Ramey > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:52:05 PM > Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump > > Got the pump today. I sent your pump out yesterday. I have been > pretty sick and fell behind in everything but lying in bed. At that > task I excelled. Hope it works out good for you. The pump actually > is a notch too big. The whole thing confuses me. I tried a med and it > was too small but a large is too big. I just can't make sense of it. > > Johnny > > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Joe Ramey wrote: > >> Johnny, >> >> Haven't heard from you for over a week. Have you received my pump? >> Nothing here yet. >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Joe Ramey >> To: Jonathan Bell >> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:33:39 PM >> Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump >> >> Johnny, >> >> Thursday, I shipped your Blackburn pump from Minturn Colorado, a >> little town in the center of the state. We were on our way to climb >> Mt Massive >> http://www.14ers.com/photos/peakphoto.php?peak=Mt.+Massive&large=1&photo=32421&start=25 >> >> I expect the pump to arrive there Wed +/- 1 day. >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Joe Ramey >> To: Jonathan Bell >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:12:17 PM >> Subject: Re: For Trade (or possible sale): Quicker Pro Pump >> >> I built a triangulated box for it tonight, so I will definitely ship >> it Thursda
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Things do get lost. I once had a seller transpose 2 numbers of my zip code on an item sent to me. It took about a month and a half but it finally arrived. Your pump may still arrive. Another time I had my brother mail some jewelry that I sold on ebay. He happened to put the priority stick right on top of the address. That one never made it. I was out of luck and returned the money. Both times updated honest communication made it work...even if the news wasn't good. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Huh? Addressed to me? On Oct 9, 11:44 pm, Esteban wrote: > Glad you weren't pinned under an Atlantis. > > On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, R Gonet wrote: > > > > > Well, good. Apparently no scamming or dishonesty here. There are (at > > least) two sides to every story and stuff happens. It looks like the > > forum can relax. I'm OK, you're OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Glad you weren't pinned under an Atlantis. On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, R Gonet wrote: > Well, good. Apparently no scamming or dishonesty here. There are (at > least) two sides to every story and stuff happens. It looks like the > forum can relax. I'm OK, you're OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Well, good. Apparently no scamming or dishonesty here. There are (at least) two sides to every story and stuff happens. It looks like the forum can relax. I'm OK, you're OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Sorry for the triple post! Apple's crappy webmail is wigging out again! On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:31PM, "Ryan Watson" wrote: > > >On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" > wrote: >> >>If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone >>else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed >>up in some fashion. >> >>In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose >>something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything. > >It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items >in 10 years? > >Ryan > >> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" wrote: > >If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone >else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed >up in some fashion. > >In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose >something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything. It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 10 years? Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" wrote: > >If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone >else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed >up in some fashion. > >In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose >something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything. It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 10 years? Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" wrote: > >If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone >else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed >up in some fashion. > >In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose >something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything. It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 10 years? Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed up in some fashion. In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything. On Oct 9, 10:07 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > The lesson *I* learn from this episode is that, as others said, > > contingencies can result in things appearing worse than they are. I for one > > am glad that this was not, after all, a case of scamming or culpable > > negligence and that the list remains unsullied. > > My sister recently sent me a package-- a phone my son had left at her house. > She sent it priority mail, but it took almost *one month* to get from New > Jersey to California. We were about to claim the insurance when it finally > showed up. So lacking any other information, I'm inclined to blame the > Postal Service. > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > He who wills the ends wills the means --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > The lesson *I* learn from this episode is that, as others said, > contingencies can result in things appearing worse than they are. I for one > am glad that this was not, after all, a case of scamming or culpable > negligence and that the list remains unsullied. > My sister recently sent me a package-- a phone my son had left at her house. She sent it priority mail, but it took almost *one month* to get from New Jersey to California. We were about to claim the insurance when it finally showed up. So lacking any other information, I'm inclined to blame the Postal Service. -- -- Anne Paulson He who wills the ends wills the means --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
The lesson *I* learn from this episode is that, as others said, contingencies can result in things appearing worse than they are. I for one am glad that this was not, after all, a case of scamming or culpable negligence and that the list remains unsullied. Also, we ought to check our Spam boxes occasionally. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Johnny Alien wrote: > > He does not need to "out" anyone as it is me that he is talking about. > I have done deals with other people on here and I think they will let > you know I have had no issues. Also if anyone cares to know my ebay > ID is dahlia11 and I have close to 500 feedbacks and it is 100% > positive. I do not scam people and I most definitely would not do it > on a small pump exchange. > > We agreed to an exchange, I sent out mine and he sent out his. I got > his and after awhile he emailed and said he did not get mine. I told > him at that time I would send his back as it didn't fit anyway. he > expressed interest in trying to find a way to keep my pump so I > figured I would hold off on sending his back to see if it would > eventually arrive. > > I never heard back so I figured he got it. Then I got an email saying > he was going to call me out as a scammer. I got this email AFTER he > apparently came here and started to make the situation sound bad. He > told me that he sent emails inbetween but I never got them. His > emails look like they come from two different email clients. I have > looked in my junk and trash folders and see no record of them. > Regardless I have answered every email I got from him. > > My wife stuck his pump in the mail today and it was sent with a > signature required. He can keep my pump if it ever shows up I don't > really care. > > The bottom line is he is coming here making the transaction sound bad > on my end but in the end I am out double shipping and a pump. > > I felt I did what I could in the situation and dealt with every email > that was sent to me. I feel bad that he feels scammed but I was honest > throughout. > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
He does not need to "out" anyone as it is me that he is talking about. I have done deals with other people on here and I think they will let you know I have had no issues. Also if anyone cares to know my ebay ID is dahlia11 and I have close to 500 feedbacks and it is 100% positive. I do not scam people and I most definitely would not do it on a small pump exchange. We agreed to an exchange, I sent out mine and he sent out his. I got his and after awhile he emailed and said he did not get mine. I told him at that time I would send his back as it didn't fit anyway. he expressed interest in trying to find a way to keep my pump so I figured I would hold off on sending his back to see if it would eventually arrive. I never heard back so I figured he got it. Then I got an email saying he was going to call me out as a scammer. I got this email AFTER he apparently came here and started to make the situation sound bad. He told me that he sent emails inbetween but I never got them. His emails look like they come from two different email clients. I have looked in my junk and trash folders and see no record of them. Regardless I have answered every email I got from him. My wife stuck his pump in the mail today and it was sent with a signature required. He can keep my pump if it ever shows up I don't really care. The bottom line is he is coming here making the transaction sound bad on my end but in the end I am out double shipping and a pump. I felt I did what I could in the situation and dealt with every email that was sent to me. I feel bad that he feels scammed but I was honest throughout. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Phew...I'm glad you heard from him/her. Sometimes, I chose to act in a way that encourages trust and confirms good will. You'll never know if the other party did what they said, etc. And, I find, in this kind of situation, when I get past my "getting screwed" victimy place, that acting with good will works. It might not get my item, I might still be out, but I have worked with a good energy. If the other party did rob me, well, you know, I can't fix it anyway and its on them. Even though they might think they win, they don't. Life. Its one big commute with a few potholes to miss. On Oct 9, 10:12 am, Mojo wrote: > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > the group. > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
on 10/9/09 11:14 AM, David Hallerman at [email protected] wrote: > Your story is an argument for always shipping using a tracking number. > > Offers security for both sender and receiver. > > Heck, nowadays USPS Priority Mail is pretty inexpensive, and if you do it -- > the postage -- online, the confirmation tracking is free (as is a discount). Not really to add to this post excessively, but the Priority Mail "Confirmation Number" is exactly that - a confirmation that it is delivered. No real time tracking, etc. It does not require a signature of the receiver - i.e. there is no condition for release. Insurance on the shipment value is not covered by this service and must be purchased separately. If it goes missing with no insureance, there's no recourse for reimbursal. - Jim "who uses USPS PM a lot and really thinks it's an incredible value" -- Jim Edgar [email protected] Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "There were messengers who named their bikes, but Chevette never would have done that, and somehow because she did think about it like it was something alive." William Gibson - "Virtual Light" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Your story is an argument for always shipping using a tracking number. Offers security for both sender and receiver. Heck, nowadays USPS Priority Mail is pretty inexpensive, and if you do it -- the postage -- online, the confirmation tracking is free (as is a discount). Dave, who likes to send tracking numbers to buyers when he sells parts because that kind of communication reduces anxiety == Mojo wrote: > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > the group. > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
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[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Scammers Suck! Good luck Mojo I hope it all works out On Oct 9, 8:09 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Although I am all for outing scoundrels, I know that things do very > occasionally get lost in the mail, AND that emails sometimes get dumped into > spam boxes. It is rare but still possible that this happened to your > respondent. > I personally try to keep my transaction wits about me, but I remember once > wholly and in all innocence forgetting a transaction where I had received > money but simply forgot to mail the purchased item. After an angry inquiry, > I made good by returning the money and shipping the item for free. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Mojo wrote: > > > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > > the group. > > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
If you're having him ship it back, suggest that he ship it back insured and give you the tracking # so that you can collect if it fails to arrive and so that you can track the item. That way there won't be any question of whether it got "lost in the mail." On Oct 9, 10:12 am, Mojo wrote: > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > the group. > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Although I am all for outing scoundrels, I know that things do very occasionally get lost in the mail, AND that emails sometimes get dumped into spam boxes. It is rare but still possible that this happened to your respondent. I personally try to keep my transaction wits about me, but I remember once wholly and in all innocence forgetting a transaction where I had received money but simply forgot to mail the purchased item. After an angry inquiry, I made good by returning the money and shipping the item for free. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Mojo wrote: > > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > the group. > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support > > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
I am very glad things seem to be working out now. I think you've handled the situation in a very sapient and admirable manner. On Oct 9, 10:12 am, Mojo wrote: > Here is an update on this situation. For two weeks, this individual > did not respond when I sent him direct emails, but he did respond > yestereday when I wrote to him through his original message sent to > this group. Both correspondence show the same email-address for him, > but perhaps he can't receive my email responses...? Of course he could > and did respond to my direct emails prior to two weeks ago. > > Anyway he said he has never lost anything in the mail, but apparently > he has this time. And how does he know I haven't received the item and > am just trying to scam him? Also he offered to return my item. > > I have no way to verify any of this, as he has no way to verify my > statements. It is possible that he sent his item non-Priority and it > is still ambling its way to me. (I sent a crank to an RBW member in > neighboring state Nebraska that took nearly 3 weeks to arrive.) I > prefer to trust he has done as he says and that there is some problem > with the mail. If anything changes, I will post it here. > > But also if this individual is selling something on this or other chat > groups I visit, I will explain my exchange experience with the rest of > the group. > > Thank you and to our list administrator, Jim, for your support --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
