[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
I put an XC Pro from a '91 MB-1 on my '87 MB-1 and it shifts great. I also have Suntour Cyclones on a pair of old Treks that both work well. And, come to think of it, I have a Superbe RD that I plan on using for something. I like the old Suntour and they've always worked great for me. jim m wc ca On Apr 5, 3:49 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > Kip Otteson > Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
Erik, Thanks, i think this explains why my suntour xc der is a little loud at various points in the gear range, at least now i know! I also wanted to say that i have a set of deore thumb shifters, which are great. and a set of suntour xc pro levers, the levers i would put up against any modern machined lever, they are really nice. On Apr 5, 10:21 pm, Erik wrote: > The Suntour derailleurs were fabulous in terms of durability, and in > the shifting benefits that come from a derailleur that remains solid > in its various pivots. One retrofit that I recall making, "back in > the day," was to replace the upper jockey wheel of a Suntour > derailleur with a floating Shimano jockey. The float in that upper > wheel is crucial in compensating for the changing chain angle as one > goes through the gears, and results in a much smoother/quieter > drivetrain. > > On Apr 5, 9:23 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > > > > > In my rather limited experience, modern Shimano rds are hard to beat for > > long cage rds. The LX that I swapped out for a 15 year old (at least) XT > > shifted much better than the XT (but I didn't like the reverse action) and > > the XT shifts better than the various SunTours that I used. If a modern rd > > shifts as well as that LX, it will shift wonderfully, even over bastard > > cassettes made from out-of-series cogs, via Silver bar end shifters. > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kip Otteson wrote: > > > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > > > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > > > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > > > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > > > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > > > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > > > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > > > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > > > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > > > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > > > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > > > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > > > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > > > Kip Otteson > > > Chiang Mai, Thailand > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > > Albuquerque, NM > > For professional resumes, contact > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
Good tip... thanks, Erik! On Apr 5, 10:21 pm, Erik wrote: > The Suntour derailleurs were fabulous in terms of durability, and in > the shifting benefits that come from a derailleur that remains solid > in its various pivots. One retrofit that I recall making, "back in > the day," was to replace the upper jockey wheel of a Suntour > derailleur with a floating Shimano jockey. The float in that upper > wheel is crucial in compensating for the changing chain angle as one > goes through the gears, and results in a much smoother/quieter > drivetrain. > > On Apr 5, 9:23 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > > > In my rather limited experience, modern Shimano rds are hard to beat for > > long cage rds. The LX that I swapped out for a 15 year old (at least) XT > > shifted much better than the XT (but I didn't like the reverse action) and > > the XT shifts better than the various SunTours that I used. If a modern rd > > shifts as well as that LX, it will shift wonderfully, even over bastard > > cassettes made from out-of-series cogs, via Silver bar end shifters. > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kip Otteson wrote: > > > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > > > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > > > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > > > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > > > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > > > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > > > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > > > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > > > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > > > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > > > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > > > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > > > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > > > Kip Otteson > > > Chiang Mai, Thailand > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > > Albuquerque, NM > > For professional resumes, contact > > Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] Hide quoted text > > - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
The Suntour derailleurs were fabulous in terms of durability, and in the shifting benefits that come from a derailleur that remains solid in its various pivots. One retrofit that I recall making, "back in the day," was to replace the upper jockey wheel of a Suntour derailleur with a floating Shimano jockey. The float in that upper wheel is crucial in compensating for the changing chain angle as one goes through the gears, and results in a much smoother/quieter drivetrain. On Apr 5, 9:23 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > In my rather limited experience, modern Shimano rds are hard to beat for > long cage rds. The LX that I swapped out for a 15 year old (at least) XT > shifted much better than the XT (but I didn't like the reverse action) and > the XT shifts better than the various SunTours that I used. If a modern rd > shifts as well as that LX, it will shift wonderfully, even over bastard > cassettes made from out-of-series cogs, via Silver bar end shifters. > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kip Otteson wrote: > > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > > Kip Otteson > > Chiang Mai, Thailand > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
I have Suntour XC Pro dérailleurs on two bikes. They work fine with friction shifting in either 6, 7 or 8 speeds. If you want to use Accushift thumb shifters , Suntours version of indexed shifting you will need a Suntour hub and cassette IMO. The cassette spacing is slightly different than shimaNo's of the same size and the freewheel housing spline is different too. BTW.. where are these dérailleurs you speak of I'm always looking for clean rear dérailleurs. ~Mike ( Mr Suntour) On Apr 5, 7:28 pm, Dan Abelson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Kip Otteson wrote: > > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > > Kip Otteson > > Chiang Mai, Thailand > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > Kip, > > If you are referring to the Deore XT derailleur, I advertised yesterday it > is sold (sold within 10 minutes). > > Dan Abelson > St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
Hi Kip. Funny but I just put a sun tour xc pro on one bike. It was in pristine condition given the age. It works fine, the action is a little tight compared to my other ones (a deore, a late 90s xt, early 90s xt). It should work fine, I'm using six or seven speed for me. Funny about the deore xt for sale, didn't realize the demand for those. On Apr 5, 6:49 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > Kip Otteson > Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
Kip: Personally I love the '85 Suntour XC derailleurs and shifters... Overbuilt, bombproof, and they look awesome. I also love the older Deore "deerhead" derailleurs and the brushed aluminum friction shifters... equally fine; I own sets of each. For my Bomba, I use a 1998 Shimano XTR m951 (low normal) derailleur with the built-in rollamajiggy, and I use friction/indexed Deore thumbies (from the late 80s). I run a 7-speed touring cassette on a Phil Wood freewheel hub. This setup (except for the low normal) is near perfect. (Also, the brake levers from this era were unmatched). Here are a few pics: Shifters: http://tinyurl.com/3kyxtfu, Brake Levers: http://tinyurl.com/3m3n9w6 Bottom line: Shimano stuff (through much of the 90s) remained good, but there's nothing that compares to that mid-late-80s stuff... It was built so amazingly well. Good luck! BB On Apr 5, 6:49 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > Kip Otteson > Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
It should work fine. Although, I was just thinking today that I've never had a better shifting derailleur than the Deore LX on my Bleriot (8 speed w/friction). Not nearly as cool looking as that XTR but It is so smooth and requires absolutely no thought to get it in the correct gear... (perfect for my brain!). I just stumbled onto an Ebay auction for them with a buy it now of $20...search SHIMANO DEORE LX RD- T661... and bought one for my Rambouilllet...GOOD BYE reverse action! No idea who the seller is, or if it will show up, but it looks legit. On Apr 5, 3:49 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > Kip Otteson > Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which retro derailleur for a Bombadil?
Kip: My pre-Cambrian Fisher MTB has a Shimano Deore RD with 7 speed index thumb shifters. The Deore is just that, no other letters. I think it's a low to mid range quality. It works so well I actually leave it in the index mode. The cluster is a 7 speed, 14-32 standard Shimano HG cassette. dougP On Apr 5, 3:49 pm, Kip Otteson wrote: > Just curious about your opinions. I've looked a little on eBay and > I've found many Suntour XC Pro and XC Expert derailleurs and thumb > shifters there. By many I mean 5 or so. I remember back in the day, > 1988/89, that friends that were really into mountain biking loved the > Suntour stuff. I currently have a Nooodle bar on the Bombadil and am > thinking about moving my current dirt drop bar setup to my wife's > Heron and going with a Bullmoose Bar. I'd put the thumb shifters on > the new set up and get rid of my squeaky Deore derailleur in the > process. I saw the XT rear for sale on the list and I'd buy it today, > but I was wondering what you guys/gals thought? I want to get a 7 > speed rear wheel built up by Riv so that would be the wheel it would > work with. If I put the derailleur on my bike right now (9 speed) > would it work if I just use friction mode? > > Thanks for your insight and opinions. > > Kip Otteson > Chiang Mai, Thailand -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
