[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-7, EasyRider wrote: > The vest version of the liner jacket is appealing to me. If you want a cheap DIY version, you can buy surplus M65 jacket liners for about $10. The sleeves come off easily by snipping some stitching. Some have buttons on one side, but the one I have was all button holes so I had to sew 3 buttons on one side. As a vest you probably want to size down one size. - Marc Pfister Windsor CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Minus33 is my favorite in heavier-weight merino. I like the way they finish sleeves, collars and bottom compared to others. Check out this 400-wt https://www.minus33.com/wool/kobuk-expedition-wool-14-zip/723/product/ On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 6:46:18 PM UTC-6, EasyRider wrote: > > I'm looking for a half or quarter zip merino pullover and could use some > recs, especially with regard to weight/warmth. > > For the past several winters daily commutes (15 miles round trip, most > days the temp is with 10 degrees of freezing) I've been wearing a very > light poly-merino blend pullovers, a cheapo poly half zip pullover over > that (a general all purpose "jogging" and whatnot), and a vest or > windbreaker over that. That's about right warmth for these parts. But all > those poly baselayers means a lot of laundry because it picks up a stink, > and quick. I'd like to get one high quality merino baselayer and wash once > a week. But, I'm uncertain what the right weight to get is. > > I THINK I want something "midweight" but I'm not sure what that means in > terms of spec or labeling to look for. I want something I could wear alone > under a fleece vest most days, and maybe add a packable windbreaker over > top, or a softshell jacket on very cold days. The other requirement is a > zip up collar, not a crew neck. > > I checked Riv for options and didn't see any, so what would you recommend? > > Pete > Arlington, VA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
150 weight sounds a bit light for your temperatures, however if you have a full windbreaker and keep active it may be fine. I would guess 200 - 250 weight would possibly be a good weight for you. Quarter zip with a collar is a great combination, as unzipped with the neck rolled back lets a lot of air in, and zipped up with the collar up goes pretty far up the neck. I have experience with wool products from Ibex, Icebreaker, Patagonia, and Smartwool - all work well. The thinner weights do seem to wear out more quickly. - Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
I've got several tops and bottoms from ioMerino: https://iomerino.com/collections/base-layers The 170 weight Altitude base layer feels in between light and medium and works perfectly with a button up shirt and/or thicker sweater over it for all the riding I do around the southeast - so down to about 20 degrees F. I really like everything I've bought from this place. Good design, good quality, pretty good prices. They have good sales a couple times a year. Paul in ATL On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:46:18 PM UTC-5, EasyRider wrote: > > I'm looking for a half or quarter zip merino pullover and could use some > recs, especially with regard to weight/warmth. > > For the past several winters daily commutes (15 miles round trip, most > days the temp is with 10 degrees of freezing) I've been wearing a very > light poly-merino blend pullovers, a cheapo poly half zip pullover over > that (a general all purpose "jogging" and whatnot), and a vest or > windbreaker over that. That's about right warmth for these parts. But all > those poly baselayers means a lot of laundry because it picks up a stink, > and quick. I'd like to get one high quality merino baselayer and wash once > a week. But, I'm uncertain what the right weight to get is. > > I THINK I want something "midweight" but I'm not sure what that means in > terms of spec or labeling to look for. I want something I could wear alone > under a fleece vest most days, and maybe add a packable windbreaker over > top, or a softshell jacket on very cold days. The other requirement is a > zip up collar, not a crew neck. > > I checked Riv for options and didn't see any, so what would you recommend? > > Pete > Arlington, VA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Lum asked a few things. “What between the fishnet and sweater?” Any insulative layer. I tested this in the extreme early on, putting on a soaking wet heavy cotton flanel (Duluth burly flannel I’d just taken ouf the the washer, which doesn’t spin dry welll) and my Ventile jackt and then riding for an hour at -10˚F. I stayed “not cold”, so long as I was moving (didn’t test stopping). Parts of the sleeves were frozen stiff when I got home, but I was fine. My usual: Standard weight cotton flannel: 50˚F down to about 25˚F when climbing (toasty at 50 when climbing, but I just unbutton the shirt a bit and it ventilates well) Heavy weight cotton flannel: 25˚F to 10˚F when climbing 2 weights of sweater: normal (like Riv’s sweaters), and boiled wool (like wearing 4 regular sweaters, but far better. Blocks a lot of wind. I’ve ridden down hill into headwinds at 0˚F.). I will add at the top for cofee/pipe/writing as needed, starting at 50˚F and cloudy. “How do you keep wind from penetrating layers?” Add canvas vest, sweater, or ventile jacket for wind blocking/heat retention as needed. Below 20˚F, this wind layer can be a regular canvas, as all “moisture” is dry snow. However, Ventile does a great job no matter the temperature, so is what I use. “What about pants layers and sox?” Tweed breeks from https://www.spencers-trousers.com. So far I’ve not added anything under or over and only plan on adding fishnet longjohns if needed, below ˚F. I do add single sock as extra warmth and wind block cod piece at 15˚F and below. Socks: Boiled wool extra heavy 3-ply over the knee sock (folded to be under the knee), requires sizing shoe up 2 sizes. I add a second pair 4-ply ankle sock at 15˚F, good down to zero. Below that, I shift to Sorel Caribou boots with 1-2 pair boiled wool socks. I add ventile gaters, to just below the knee, for a wind barrier as needed, but for warmth due to heat retention starting below 20˚F. Mittens: 3 ply boiled wool glomitt down to 20˚F. Add a 4-ply boiled wool mitt below that, and an Empire Canvas chopper mitt as needed for wind block/heat retention. Wool scarf, blocks wind into shirt and keeps neck warm starting around freezing. Hat: Walts wool cycling cap to about 25˚F. Add 2-ply down to 10˚F, 4-ply below that and/or at stops at the top, for descents. Ventile hood if windblock needed, but that doesn’t happen until below zero as the 4-ply blocks wind very well and is 2 or three layers thick around the ears/headband area. The key before fishnet was to wear enough layers to absorb sweat, then change to dry base layers if stopped, or just don’t stop. Since fishnet, the key is to manage moisture, and when things get wet it’s not a big deal because I’ll stay warm even when I stop, and at an extended stop just add more insulative layers and wind block as needed. It allows me to do extended stops at all temperatures, which has opened up my riding. Boiled wool: https://www.sweaterchalet.com/dachstein-woolwear-boiled-wool-sweaters-mitts-socks-caps-gloves/. Rick is great to work with. A note on the boiled wool hats: I’ve added a chin tie to keep them on. People with smaller heads may not have this issue. Basically a leather shoe lace inside the back headband of the hat, pushed through at the front of the ears. When tied, it holds the hat snuggly to the back of my neck and below my ears. Ventile: https://hilltrek.co.uk You can see a number of these layering combos in my coffeeneuring post: https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-challenge-2018 and fall color post: https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/gold-trail. (I’ll also post this to it’s own thread to not derail this thread further) With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Patrick. More detail needed please: What between the fishnet and sweater? How do you keep wind from penetrating layers? What about pants layers and sox? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Dear Patrick, I can say with the upmost conviction that the world is a better place thanks to you sharing your wonderful pictures. May peace surround you, Curtis On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 11:37 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: > Oh dear, Curtis! That’s a lot of pressure. Grin. With it that actively > snowing I barely got the camera to work for a selfie, so I’m afraid they’ll > have to do. Grin. One up top (rocks in the background) before I put my > sweater on, one almost home, sweater in full use. Had I known the world > would be a better place with a riding photo, I’d’ve found a way! Sorry > about that. Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 12:30:03 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: > > Dear Patrick, > > > > > > The world would be a better place if you could share picture of your > ride in the snow. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Curtis "in San Diego hoping we do not catch fire" > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 10:52 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: > > I use a wool fishnet longjohn top base layer. With it, I then can > insulate with any fabric, including cotton flanel. It’s highly effective at > moisture management and that is key to staying warm when aerobic activity > is involved, especially when stops happen and you cool down. You can test > the system with Wiggy’s for $38 (not skin friendly nylon, but his video > also explains why fishnet baselayer is superior) > https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/, or the > wool version is Brynje https://www.brynjeusa.com. > > > > > > > > I just got back from a 3.5 hour ride, including an hour plus coffee and > pipe at the top, with temps 15˚F down low and about 5˚F up top, with 1,300 > feet climbing in 8 miles. Which is to say if I’m dressed to be warm, I’m > sweating and I want moisture to easily escape. With this system, it does. > My ventile jacket stayed in reserve, and I put my boiled wool sweater on > for the time at the top and the ride home. It snowed about 6” total from > start of the ride to returning home. Warm and cozy the whole ride, and > stop, and inner layers were dry when I took them off at home (I had to > shake the crusted snow off my hat and sweater.). > > > > > > > > With abandon, > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Dear Patrick, The world would be a better place if you could share picture of your ride in the snow. Thank you, Curtis "in San Diego hoping we do not catch fire" On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 10:52 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: > I use a wool fishnet longjohn top base layer. With it, I then can insulate > with any fabric, including cotton flanel. It’s highly effective at moisture > management and that is key to staying warm when aerobic activity is > involved, especially when stops happen and you cool down. You can test the > system with Wiggy’s for $38 (not skin friendly nylon, but his video also > explains why fishnet baselayer is superior) > https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/, or the > wool version is Brynje https://www.brynjeusa.com. > > I just got back from a 3.5 hour ride, including an hour plus coffee and > pipe at the top, with temps 15˚F down low and about 5˚F up top, with 1,300 > feet climbing in 8 miles. Which is to say if I’m dressed to be warm, I’m > sweating and I want moisture to easily escape. With this system, it does. > My ventile jacket stayed in reserve, and I put my boiled wool sweater on > for the time at the top and the ride home. It snowed about 6” total from > start of the ride to returning home. Warm and cozy the whole ride, and > stop, and inner layers were dry when I took them off at home (I had to > shake the crusted snow off my hat and sweater.). > > With abandon, > Patrick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
I use a wool fishnet longjohn top base layer. With it, I then can insulate with any fabric, including cotton flanel. It’s highly effective at moisture management and that is key to staying warm when aerobic activity is involved, especially when stops happen and you cool down. You can test the system with Wiggy’s for $38 (not skin friendly nylon, but his video also explains why fishnet baselayer is superior) https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/, or the wool version is Brynje https://www.brynjeusa.com. I just got back from a 3.5 hour ride, including an hour plus coffee and pipe at the top, with temps 15˚F down low and about 5˚F up top, with 1,300 feet climbing in 8 miles. Which is to say if I’m dressed to be warm, I’m sweating and I want moisture to easily escape. With this system, it does. My ventile jacket stayed in reserve, and I put my boiled wool sweater on for the time at the top and the ride home. It snowed about 6” total from start of the ride to returning home. Warm and cozy the whole ride, and stop, and inner layers were dry when I took them off at home (I had to shake the crusted snow off my hat and sweater.). With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Thanks for the suggestion, Will. The vest version of the liner jacket is appealing to me. I would prefer a standup collar but as you point out, a neck gaiter serves the purpose. Pete Arlington, VA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
I'd recommend going with a Wiggy's long sleeve liner jacket. It's inexpensive, very easy to wash and dry, and has knit cuffs which really facilitate wearing gloves. I use mine with a neck gaiter (available everywhere) and a wind-resistant super light shell. I live in Wisconsin, so we tend to be very practical about cool/cold weather gear. Being able to wash something frequently is a key feature. Going with a neck gaiter works well since it keeps whisker wear off of the liner. You want to wear it over a woven shirt, not a knit shirt. Woven material moves moisture better. Wiggy's insulation is designed to move moisture. So with the woven base layer, you are warn and ===> DRY. https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/liner-jacket/ Rivendell content... I discovered Wiggy's through the Riv website. They recommended the summer weight sleeping bag for S240s and used to sell them. You can read that here at bottom of link: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/camping-vs-touring On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 6:46:18 PM UTC-6, EasyRider wrote: > > I'm looking for a half or quarter zip merino pullover and could use some > recs, especially with regard to weight/warmth. > > For the past several winters daily commutes (15 miles round trip, most > days the temp is with 10 degrees of freezing) I've been wearing a very > light poly-merino blend pullovers, a cheapo poly half zip pullover over > that (a general all purpose "jogging" and whatnot), and a vest or > windbreaker over that. That's about right warmth for these parts. But all > those poly baselayers means a lot of laundry because it picks up a stink, > and quick. I'd like to get one high quality merino baselayer and wash once > a week. But, I'm uncertain what the right weight to get is. > > I THINK I want something "midweight" but I'm not sure what that means in > terms of spec or labeling to look for. I want something I could wear alone > under a fleece vest most days, and maybe add a packable windbreaker over > top, or a softshell jacket on very cold days. The other requirement is a > zip up collar, not a crew neck. > > I checked Riv for options and didn't see any, so what would you recommend? > > Pete > Arlington, VA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
I have been a big fan of Ibex for a number of years. As stated by another, they are no longer in business, however, you can often find lightly used (or sometimes, even new) items on eBay. This time of year, I have at least 1 piece of Ibex on my body on any given day. Their pieces have lasted several years for me. I also have Smartwool pieces, and although they tend to be a little softer, Ibex still wins for me. I've also bought from Minus 33 (I have some leggings from them that I've owned for two winters and they're still in good shape, having worn them nearly every day for about 3-4 months out of the year). There are other brands, like Voormi you could look to (though I've never purchased from them, so I'm just putting it out there as a suggestion to try) or Woolx. > > As far as which weight to get, that (at least to me) can be very personal. I have lightweight wool and midweight and tend to wear pieces alone and layered, depending on the conditions and temperatures for the day. Today, it's in the low 20s F here and it's snowing, so I'll be wearing multiple layers outside to keep warm, with a jacket over the top. I have found that the lighter weight pieces tend to get holes quicker, especially if they are pieces I'm harder on. I sweat quite a bit in my wool when engaged in activities and if I hang it up and let the wool air out, I can wear the pieces multiple times before washing them. My husband, however, washes his pieces nearly every time he wears them, so perhaps this is just personal preference or amount of sweat produced by individual bodies. As has been pointed out, the wool will feel different though after wearing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
I can only speak for my own experience, and that is while it sounds great in theory "wool doesn't stink so I don't have to wash it as often" while it may not smell like a synthetic gone afoul , it does not mean that it feels "clean" or very good the next day after sweating in it. I've found no matter what the material is after sweating in it I prefer not to wear it again until washed. I wash synthetics daily in a bucket and drip dry in the bathroom in winter or outside in summer. It takes about 5-10 minutes . I have synthetics decades old that have no odd odors. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed
Think about the weight of an average cotton T-shirt (not a high-end pima undershirt) for comparison. I think most reputable companies may be heavier than that in order to have enough material to support the construction necessary for the zipper. Been happy with Smartwool. I am using a MUSA from Rivendell merino top this week. I try not to dress so warmly that I get sweaty. The condensation that collects due to the cooling of my shell layer going through the cold air isn't the source of much stink, so a week is well within taste. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 7:46:18 PM UTC-5, EasyRider wrote: > > I'm looking for a half or quarter zip merino pullover and could use some > recs, especially with regard to weight/warmth. > > For the past several winters daily commutes (15 miles round trip, most > days the temp is with 10 degrees of freezing) I've been wearing a very > light poly-merino blend pullovers, a cheapo poly half zip pullover over > that (a general all purpose "jogging" and whatnot), and a vest or > windbreaker over that. That's about right warmth for these parts. But all > those poly baselayers means a lot of laundry because it picks up a stink, > and quick. I'd like to get one high quality merino baselayer and wash once > a week. But, I'm uncertain what the right weight to get is. > > I THINK I want something "midweight" but I'm not sure what that means in > terms of spec or labeling to look for. I want something I could wear alone > under a fleece vest most days, and maybe add a packable windbreaker over > top, or a softshell jacket on very cold days. The other requirement is a > zip up collar, not a crew neck. > > I checked Riv for options and didn't see any, so what would you recommend? > > Pete > Arlington, VA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
