[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm 5'4" and am on a 48cm Hunqapillar. Most frame companies increase (steeped) seat tube angle as the frame size gets small, presumably so they can use the same threadless fork as the larger sizes without cause toe overlap. That, alone, is the reason I ride a Rivendell and a low-frills custom with ~72 deg seat tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm 5' 7", 32" inseam, long-limbed and relatively short-waisted. Over the last few years I've found that my 700c-wheeled Longlow has been sitting unused more and more, while my bikes with smaller frames, more standover room and 26" wheels get ridden All. The. Time. Is it about size? Or just comfort? Even my singlespeed mountain bike, which I've raced on for the last few years, has 26" wheels. And it's small, but not unneccessarily so. Like Gorgena Terry in the recent BQ article, I like my almost unlimited tire choices in 26". I appreciate the clearance for fenders (all my 26" frames are more mountain-y than road-y. And I've never had toe overlap issues on these bikes. None of the frames is "too" small, just noticable smaller than my Longlow. I'm especially fond of the '99 All-Rounder that gets ridden nearly every day as my dependable commuter. Possibly the best bike ever. And while it may look "too" small, it sure doesn't feel that way. Beth in PDX, contemplating some herd-thinning in the future. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
i'm tall. getting a frame that actually fit me was the initial reason i went to rivendell. then i fell in love with the ride and capability. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Scott Mead wrote: > I'm one of those short riders. Yes, there are lots of companies who > make bikes for shorter people ... however, have you ever looked at how > the tube angles change as the frames get smaller? If I want a 75- > degree seat tube angle, there are an infinite number of choices. Or, > if I want a seriously relaxed seat tube of 67 degrees or so, I can buy > a cheaply-made townie-ish bike. But for a "real" bike that has good > tubing and a choice of quality components, and yet still has seat/head > tube angles that make the bike actually rideable, I have VERY few > options. Riv is really the ONLY company I've found that offers a > quality non-custom frame in my size with a seat tube angle of less > than 74 degrees. My preference is for 72 or so, which means it's > either a custom frame or a Riv. Glad Riv is there, because their > frames are not only designed right for the smaller riders, but they > also ride great, as you all know. > > I do understand the difficulty in building smaller frames ... keeping > a reasonable top tube length while avoiding serious toe overlap and > simultaneously maintaining a proper seat tube angle. Most > manufacturers just steepen the seat tube angle to compensate, but in > my opinion, that's just the cheaper way of designing it. Using a > smaller wheelset is really the only way to do it right. My Hunq has > 26" wheels with big fat tires, a 71.5-degree seat tube angle, and no > toe overlap. If Riv can do that, then other manufacturers can, too ... > they just don't want to put the extra time and effort (money) into it. > It's too bad for them, because at this point in my cycling life, I'm > not willing to settle for a frame that doesn't feel right. > > I sure hope Riv continues to offer stock frames in smaller sizes ... > they're about the only company who gets it right, and I don't want to > pay more than double the price for a custom frame that isn't any > better! > > > On Mar 27, 5:48 pm, JL wrote: > > In short (hehe) I have two things to say on this subject: > > > > 1) Rivendell probably has a higher proportion of riders that are over > > 6' (rounded for ease of explanation) than other bike companies > > because, as Rex pointed out, they make production bicycles that fit > > people of that stature. Conversely, others who ride smaller sizes > > have many other options to select from in addition to Rivendell. I am > > not saying it is apples to apples but the point here is that in some > > way the riders are preselected to be a higher proportion of tall > > persons. > > > > 2) There are actually quite a few riders (both Female and Male) on > > this list that ride bikes 50cm or under. If one were to include bikes > > up to 54cm (the small end cutoff for high demand sizes per Riv. when > > the Simple one was being planned) then the list is even larger. I am > > one of the 53/54cm riders. > > > > Does it seem like a logical conclusion to say that the first point is > > causally related to the second? I have always wondered that. > > JL > > > > On Mar 27, 5:22 pm, murphyjrfk wrote: > > > > > > > > > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > > > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short > guys > > > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's > which > > > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and > i'm > > > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > > > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up > for > > > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet > tall--some > > > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > > > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > > > small frames don't sell ... > > > > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm one of those short riders. Yes, there are lots of companies who make bikes for shorter people ... however, have you ever looked at how the tube angles change as the frames get smaller? If I want a 75- degree seat tube angle, there are an infinite number of choices. Or, if I want a seriously relaxed seat tube of 67 degrees or so, I can buy a cheaply-made townie-ish bike. But for a "real" bike that has good tubing and a choice of quality components, and yet still has seat/head tube angles that make the bike actually rideable, I have VERY few options. Riv is really the ONLY company I've found that offers a quality non-custom frame in my size with a seat tube angle of less than 74 degrees. My preference is for 72 or so, which means it's either a custom frame or a Riv. Glad Riv is there, because their frames are not only designed right for the smaller riders, but they also ride great, as you all know. I do understand the difficulty in building smaller frames ... keeping a reasonable top tube length while avoiding serious toe overlap and simultaneously maintaining a proper seat tube angle. Most manufacturers just steepen the seat tube angle to compensate, but in my opinion, that's just the cheaper way of designing it. Using a smaller wheelset is really the only way to do it right. My Hunq has 26" wheels with big fat tires, a 71.5-degree seat tube angle, and no toe overlap. If Riv can do that, then other manufacturers can, too ... they just don't want to put the extra time and effort (money) into it. It's too bad for them, because at this point in my cycling life, I'm not willing to settle for a frame that doesn't feel right. I sure hope Riv continues to offer stock frames in smaller sizes ... they're about the only company who gets it right, and I don't want to pay more than double the price for a custom frame that isn't any better! On Mar 27, 5:48 pm, JL wrote: > In short (hehe) I have two things to say on this subject: > > 1) Rivendell probably has a higher proportion of riders that are over > 6' (rounded for ease of explanation) than other bike companies > because, as Rex pointed out, they make production bicycles that fit > people of that stature. Conversely, others who ride smaller sizes > have many other options to select from in addition to Rivendell. I am > not saying it is apples to apples but the point here is that in some > way the riders are preselected to be a higher proportion of tall > persons. > > 2) There are actually quite a few riders (both Female and Male) on > this list that ride bikes 50cm or under. If one were to include bikes > up to 54cm (the small end cutoff for high demand sizes per Riv. when > the Simple one was being planned) then the list is even larger. I am > one of the 53/54cm riders. > > Does it seem like a logical conclusion to say that the first point is > causally related to the second? I have always wondered that. > JL > > On Mar 27, 5:22 pm, murphyjrfk wrote: > > > > > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > > small frames don't sell ... > > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Thanks. I clicked public. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Stephen S wrote: > The link doesn't work > > I don't think you have it shared public or private with a link. > > O > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
The link doesn't work I don't think you have it shared public or private with a link. On Friday, March 30, 2012 3:53:15 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: > > Here's a big acorn bag on my little Ram: > > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103372863272345033417/albums/5195592259807730961/5206639742299615202 > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:37 AM, islaysteve wrote: > >> I'm just starting to deal with the saddle bag issue (don't have a real >> bag yet though). I've mounted a Silver Hupe on the Bleriot and as is, the >> upward angle makes it pretty much useless. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/IXpok12eD94J. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Here's a big acorn bag on my little Ram: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103372863272345033417/albums/5195592259807730961/5206639742299615202 On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:37 AM, islaysteve wrote: > I'm just starting to deal with the saddle bag issue (don't have a real > bag yet though). I've mounted a Silver Hupe on the Bleriot and as is, the > upward angle makes it pretty much useless. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Thanks, Liesl, I've admired your bikes as well your posts here before. I'm just starting to deal with the saddle bag issue (don't have a real bag yet though). I've mounted a Silver Hupe on the Bleriot and as is, the upward angle makes it pretty much useless. However I was able to bend it down some, and may bend it some more, if necessary. I was also toying with the idea of making a DIY simple rear rack in the manner of one that I saw one on an old French bike in a Bicycle Quarterly article. That might be fun. Yes, I think the Bleriot is a forever bike for me. Cheers, Steve On Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:53:51 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: > On Mar 28, 5:22 pm, islaysteve wrote: > > I'm short, I'm old, and I'm slow. I ride a 51 Bleriot and drive an '06 > > Miata. Life is good, I'm happy. Steve > > Me too! Well, mostly. I ride a 51 proto bleriot and a 50 saluki and > drive an '06 Honda Element. That's at 5'2" and a PBH of 76 if I > remember correctly. > > The one thing that I find a challenge about my little bikes is > clearance between the saddle and a rack/fender for a biggish saddle > bag, lil loafer in back, or a wald basket. Mostly I've gotten it to > work and Mark's Rack is a god-send for a custom fit in the back. I > had a battle getting a new Tubus Airy (which I am really liking for a > go-less-slow bike) to fit on the chain-stay upper braze-ons because > they were narrow, and forget about a pletscher on the little guys > (does anyone have a secret about mounting one on a 50 frame?). A > Carradice Barley is a great traditional saddlebag for a low saddle > that has good room for daily use. > > And I agree with Pam. It's so hard to find a great-fitting beautiful > little bike that once you find one, it does become a forever bike. > > liesl the-bike-lingerer in minneapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wLhubAu4azIJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I've used a Nitto bag lifter to put a big bag on a small bike. It attaches to the seat post On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Liesl wrote: > On Mar 28, 5:22 pm, islaysteve wrote: > > > The one thing that I find a challenge about my little bikes is > clearance between the saddle and a rack/fender for a biggish saddle > bag, > > -- > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
On Mar 28, 5:22 pm, islaysteve wrote: > I'm short, I'm old, and I'm slow. I ride a 51 Bleriot and drive an '06 > Miata. Life is good, I'm happy. Steve Me too! Well, mostly. I ride a 51 proto bleriot and a 50 saluki and drive an '06 Honda Element. That's at 5'2" and a PBH of 76 if I remember correctly. The one thing that I find a challenge about my little bikes is clearance between the saddle and a rack/fender for a biggish saddle bag, lil loafer in back, or a wald basket. Mostly I've gotten it to work and Mark's Rack is a god-send for a custom fit in the back. I had a battle getting a new Tubus Airy (which I am really liking for a go-less-slow bike) to fit on the chain-stay upper braze-ons because they were narrow, and forget about a pletscher on the little guys (does anyone have a secret about mounting one on a 50 frame?). A Carradice Barley is a great traditional saddlebag for a low saddle that has good room for daily use. And I agree with Pam. It's so hard to find a great-fitting beautiful little bike that once you find one, it does become a forever bike. liesl the-bike-lingerer in minneapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm short, I'm old, and I'm slow. I ride a 51 Bleriot and drive an '06 Miata. Life is good, I'm happy. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vL-TKw-6xQgJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Hi Folks- I ride small frames cause, well, I'm short. Any where from my first road bike a 48cm RB-T to a relatively recent custom (built for someone else) that's 51cm square. Ah but the top tube is 1cm longer on the RB-T. the custom runs a longish 110 stem. Lisa is right of course. Grant won't design small frames with 700c wheels. Which is one reason why 650b popularity was such a good thing for Riv. Steep seatubes can help deal with those 700c's along with some other magic like long top tubes and slack head tube angle. I've embraced 650b's lately simply because of the possibility of fenders and a plethora of tire sizes. I remember riding 26" wheels on the road for a while. Maybe cause the bike was a MTB, but it wasn't as much fun as my RB-T. As to why there are not more small used frames for sale, they become the girl friend's or a hand me down for the kids,etc. If you want to buy a small framed bike, advertise in the Wanted Ads. Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/97vjnzB_1VAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Smallish guyumm, i mean, average guy, chiming in here. I'm 5'6" w/ 79 PBH and have a 50cm AHH on the way. For some reason, I'm elated that Keven put me on a 50cm instead of a 47cm frame (he was actually considering a 52cm!) ...makes me feel taller than I really am..haha! On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:22:35 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote: > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/X1QgZFEBT2MJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm 5'3" and I ride a 47 cm Atlantis. Most small frames have very steep seat tubes. Rivendell is the only company I'm aware of that has the same seat tube angles on their smallest frames as on the large sizes. By the way -- I'm sorry to see so much emphasis recently on 650 B wheels. 26" wheels are a better fit for small riders, and tall riders already have 700 C. It would be better to develop wheel sizes smaller than 26" or larger than 700c -- that would enable better designs for short and tall people. Just my 2 cents. Lisa On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:22:35 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote: > > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_zueS9zgvHUJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I'm short - just 5 ft and I ride a Betty Foy. You can't frames for sale because I can't ever imagine selling mine and I imagine others can't either. These are forever bikes. On Mar 27, 8:22 pm, murphyjrfk wrote: > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Interesting. My short daughter would agree with you, but at only 6' 1" I can no longer buy a new Atlantis in the size, 64, which Riv's own charts recommend. I have a short friend with a very tall, 6'8" son. Whenever he is asked if he plays basketball he says, "No, do you play miniature golf?" michael On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:22:35 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote: > > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jBMFhLQ0VnAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
Riv has made (still makes) bikes that shorter people can ride. In addition to wheel size options, the frame layout allows shorter people to ride a larger frame than they normally might otherwise. In the "real world" 50 cm is the largest frame I can ride (5'-6" when I stand up straight and tall, less otherwise) with my 29" inseam. With 700 size wheels, a 50 cm frame doesn't feel comfortable or handle great. I know, I had and sold a stream of them trying to get a good fit. My first Riv was a Rambouillet in a size 52 with 26" wheels. Fits like a glove. Next came a 50 CM Saluki (650B) that feels great too. The wheel size allows the frame geometry to be right. Finally, a 54 cm Road Std that allows my stand over from a relaxed seat tube and low bottom bracket location (as noted by GP in RR#3) and made even lower with a conversion by me to 650B. So, enough choice for me, anyway. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, RJM wrote: > > Generally most of my bikes range in the 51 cm range, that is where they > are comfy to me. Riv sizing seems to be different though. > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:22:35 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: > >> >> but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up >> for sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet >> tall--some guys are just born lucky i suppose. >> >> there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says >> small frames don't sell ... >> >> i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
RJM- funny-i have the exact same dimensions as you. 5'6" 79 pbh and i agree w that statement. ive never had a 700c bike that didn't have toeverlap --i had a cross check that had foot overlap not just toe. On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:46:17 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote: > > I ride a 48 Sam Hillborne, have a 79 PBH and am 5'6", so not tall. I > really think Riv really does design bikes for shorter people, along with > the taller people too. You just have to get used to riding 26" or 650b > wheels, which shouldn't be an issue if you are short. No toe overlap with > my Sam either, great bike. > > Generally most of my bikes range in the 51 cm range, that is where they > are comfy to me. Riv sizing seems to be different though. > On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:22:35 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: > >> it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in >> college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys >> are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which >> will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm >> still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). >> >> but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up >> for sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet >> tall--some guys are just born lucky i suppose. >> >> there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says >> small frames don't sell ... >> >> i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/snGhFiPoImAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
I ride a 48 Sam Hillborne, have a 79 PBH and am 5'6", so not tall. I really think Riv really does design bikes for shorter people, along with the taller people too. You just have to get used to riding 26" or 650b wheels, which shouldn't be an issue if you are short. No toe overlap with my Sam either, great bike. Generally most of my bikes range in the 51 cm range, that is where they are comfy to me. Riv sizing seems to be different though. On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:22:35 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6u68mYvW79sJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
JL i've wondered that too and have to believe it's true based on size not just finances. i tend to think anyone over 6"2+ has to make some serious concessions if they want an off the rack bike so to speak. being not so tall has it's perks. On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:48:12 PM UTC-4, JL wrote: > > In short (hehe) I have two things to say on this subject: > > 1) Rivendell probably has a higher proportion of riders that are over > 6' (rounded for ease of explanation) than other bike companies > because, as Rex pointed out, they make production bicycles that fit > people of that stature. Conversely, others who ride smaller sizes > have many other options to select from in addition to Rivendell. I am > not saying it is apples to apples but the point here is that in some > way the riders are preselected to be a higher proportion of tall > persons. > > 2) There are actually quite a few riders (both Female and Male) on > this list that ride bikes 50cm or under. If one were to include bikes > up to 54cm (the small end cutoff for high demand sizes per Riv. when > the Simple one was being planned) then the list is even larger. I am > one of the 53/54cm riders. > > Does it seem like a logical conclusion to say that the first point is > causally related to the second? I have always wondered that. > JL > > > On Mar 27, 5:22 pm, murphyjrfk wrote: > > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short > guys > > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's > which > > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and > i'm > > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up > for > > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet > tall--some > > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > > small frames don't sell ... > > > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8O8scVa97WcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
In short (hehe) I have two things to say on this subject: 1) Rivendell probably has a higher proportion of riders that are over 6' (rounded for ease of explanation) than other bike companies because, as Rex pointed out, they make production bicycles that fit people of that stature. Conversely, others who ride smaller sizes have many other options to select from in addition to Rivendell. I am not saying it is apples to apples but the point here is that in some way the riders are preselected to be a higher proportion of tall persons. 2) There are actually quite a few riders (both Female and Male) on this list that ride bikes 50cm or under. If one were to include bikes up to 54cm (the small end cutoff for high demand sizes per Riv. when the Simple one was being planned) then the list is even larger. I am one of the 53/54cm riders. Does it seem like a logical conclusion to say that the first point is causally related to the second? I have always wondered that. JL On Mar 27, 5:22 pm, murphyjrfk wrote: > it's certainly off topic. i'm short--i say average--but my roommates in > college were always quick to point out the harvard study saying short guys > are doomed to be poor. you can't buy happiness-but you can buy riv's which > will make you happy for almost forever--so in bike sense you can. and i'm > still short...(but the stars aligned in my riv-favor for once). > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > there's gotta be short guys/gals out there...but then again grant says > small frames don't sell ... > > i'm super duper happy on my 51cm...average i say not short... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: doesn't anyone short ride a riv?
My wife is measurably taller than 5' (but not much) and feels her 47 cm Atlantis fits her perfectly. With 1.25" x 26" tires, she has little clearance to spare. dougP On Mar 27, 5:36 pm, Rex Kerr wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM, murphyjrfk wrote: > > but it seems like the average height- based off the frames that pop up for > > sale or the photos posted-of a rivendell rider is about 8 feet tall--some > > guys are just born lucky i suppose. > > Those of us on the other end of the spectrum would tend to disagree... > heck, some of the models don't even come in my size (SimpleOne, Atlantis, > etc). It seems that there are not many really big Riv bikes coming up used, > then again Riv is one of the very few companies that cater to us without > having to go full custom, which may be skewing the perspective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
