[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-25 Thread William in Wyo
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

On Apr 24, 11:21 pm, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
> Don't despair. You really do not need "that much" work to get it to
> fit onto your bike. I've got a Nitto rack on my Sam, but recently
> purchased the VO rack because $55 seemed like too good of a deal to
> pass up.
>
> I currently have the VO rack installed on my Surly Steamroller. Now, I
> did have to grind down the bold underneath the crown about a quarter
> inch, but it wasn't a big deal. The p-clamps worked like a charm and I
> had to do minimal bending to get the rack to fit properly. Don't give
> up; try to install it.
>
> tony
>
> On Apr 24, 8:34 am, "William L. Stump"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I played with it yesterday and I don't think it's going to work without 
> > major finagling. The included bolt that hangs from the brake bolt almost 
> > touches the front tire. I should have got the Marks rack but the price was 
> > off putting but now I'm out $55 (no returns on VO specials). Oh well live 
> > and learn.
> > William
> > 
> > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] 
> > On Behalf Of William [[email protected]]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:05 AM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet
>
> > Another big part to the Marks Rack versatility is that is can be mated
> > to a platrack.  Four Nitto front racks (two Marks, two Mini Fronts) in
> > my stable.  One Platrack means any of those four bikes can be set up
> > Porteur style at the drop of a hat.  That reminds me..it's getting
> > close to the time to pick which bike is going on the Angel Island S24O
> > in two weeks.
>
> > On Apr 22, 11:03 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
>
> > > Hey Steve,
>
> > > I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.    I just
> > > prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
> > > for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
> > > Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
> > > don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
> > > more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.
>
> > > -Jay B.
>
> > > On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > > > > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > > > > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > > > Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> > > > P-clamp installation?
>
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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-24 Thread Tony Lockhart
Don't despair. You really do not need "that much" work to get it to
fit onto your bike. I've got a Nitto rack on my Sam, but recently
purchased the VO rack because $55 seemed like too good of a deal to
pass up.

I currently have the VO rack installed on my Surly Steamroller. Now, I
did have to grind down the bold underneath the crown about a quarter
inch, but it wasn't a big deal. The p-clamps worked like a charm and I
had to do minimal bending to get the rack to fit properly. Don't give
up; try to install it.

tony

On Apr 24, 8:34 am, "William L. Stump"  wrote:
> I played with it yesterday and I don't think it's going to work without major 
> finagling. The included bolt that hangs from the brake bolt almost touches 
> the front tire. I should have got the Marks rack but the price was off 
> putting but now I'm out $55 (no returns on VO specials). Oh well live and 
> learn.
> William
> 
> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of William [[email protected]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:05 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet
>
> Another big part to the Marks Rack versatility is that is can be mated
> to a platrack.  Four Nitto front racks (two Marks, two Mini Fronts) in
> my stable.  One Platrack means any of those four bikes can be set up
> Porteur style at the drop of a hat.  That reminds me..it's getting
> close to the time to pick which bike is going on the Angel Island S24O
> in two weeks.
>
> On Apr 22, 11:03 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey Steve,
>
> > I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.    I just
> > prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
> > for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
> > Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
> > don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
> > more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.
>
> > -Jay B.
>
> > On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > > > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > > > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > > Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> > > P-clamp installation?
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 09:34 -0600, William L. Stump wrote:
> I played with it yesterday and I don't think it's going to work
> without major finagling. The included bolt that hangs from the brake
> bolt almost touches the front tire. I should have got the Marks rack
> but the price was off putting but now I'm out $55 (no returns on VO
> specials). Oh well live and learn.

So offer it for sale!  It will work on other bikes.  I saw a Bob Jackson
Audax model yesterday that had a VO Randonneur front rack mounted with
clamps on the fork blades.



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RE: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-24 Thread William L. Stump
I played with it yesterday and I don't think it's going to work without major 
finagling. The included bolt that hangs from the brake bolt almost touches the 
front tire. I should have got the Marks rack but the price was off putting but 
now I'm out $55 (no returns on VO specials). Oh well live and learn.
William

From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of William [[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:05 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

Another big part to the Marks Rack versatility is that is can be mated
to a platrack.  Four Nitto front racks (two Marks, two Mini Fronts) in
my stable.  One Platrack means any of those four bikes can be set up
Porteur style at the drop of a hat.  That reminds me..it's getting
close to the time to pick which bike is going on the Angel Island S24O
in two weeks.

On Apr 22, 11:03 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.I just
> prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
> for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
> Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
> don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
> more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.
>
> -Jay B.
>
> On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> > P-clamp installation?

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-23 Thread Jim Cloud
I agree that the Mark's Rack versatility is a big plus (it can even be
installed on the rear of the bike).  The VO front rack certainly would
work well with a bike that has the appropriate bosses on the forks.
The amount of adjustabilty of the VO rack is, however, somewhat
limited.

There's also an advantage to the Mark's Rack, in my opinion, since
Rivendell has made bags that are specifically designed to fit that
rack (e.g. Li'l Loafer, Sackville TrunkSack).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Apr 23, 9:05 am, William  wrote:
> Another big part to the Marks Rack versatility is that is can be mated
> to a platrack.  Four Nitto front racks (two Marks, two Mini Fronts) in
> my stable.  One Platrack means any of those four bikes can be set up
> Porteur style at the drop of a hat.  That reminds me..it's getting
> close to the time to pick which bike is going on the Angel Island S24O
> in two weeks.
>
> On Apr 22, 11:03 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey Steve,
>
> > I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.    I just
> > prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
> > for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
> > Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
> > don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
> > more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.
>
> > -Jay B.
>
> > On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > > > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > > > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > > Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> > > P-clamp installation?

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-23 Thread William
Another big part to the Marks Rack versatility is that is can be mated
to a platrack.  Four Nitto front racks (two Marks, two Mini Fronts) in
my stable.  One Platrack means any of those four bikes can be set up
Porteur style at the drop of a hat.  That reminds me..it's getting
close to the time to pick which bike is going on the Angel Island S24O
in two weeks.

On Apr 22, 11:03 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> Hey Steve,
>
> I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.    I just
> prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
> for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
> Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
> don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
> more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.
>
> -Jay B.
>
> On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> > Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> > P-clamp installation?

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread J. Burkhalter
Hey Steve,

I didn't mean to suggest any superiority amongst racks.I just
prefer the versatility of the Mark's rack.  I bought mine years ago
for front use on my Ram.  Since then it has served good time on an
Atlantis, a Bleriot , a QB, and a Karate Monkey..  Front and rear.  I
don't think it's superior at anything.  It's just decent to good at
more things than most racks out there.  I like that kind of value.

-Jay B.

On Apr 22, 5:22 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
> > If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> > clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.
>
> Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
> P-clamp installation?

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread Leslie
Orange, blue, and early green Rams didn't; late green Rams do have
'em.

-L


On Apr 22, 7:33 pm, William Pustow  wrote:
> Nope, mine doesn't. I used the Riv Mark's rack.
> Bill
> Louisville, Ky
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:19 PM, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > If your Ram has the appropriate mid fork braze-ons (I think only the
> > green ones did?),

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread ejg
I used p-clamps with my VO rack and mounted it under the crown. The
clamps didn't get quite tight enough so I cut strips of rubber as
shims.

EJG 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31238317@N03/5402648956/in/set-72157625488603586

On Apr 22, 3:31 pm, William in Wyo  wrote:
> I have the p-clamps, but the struts still seem too short to get the
> rack level. I'll try and bolt it on (under the crown) and se how it
> lines up.
>
> On Apr 22, 1:18 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:01 -0700, William in Wyo wrote:
> > > Hi All, I got one of these nifty racks from VO
> > >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-randonneur-front-rack-stain...
> > > and has anyone put one on a Rambouillet? Mines a 58 with Tektro R538
> > > brakes and 32C tires, no fender. At first glance it has me scratching
> > > my head as the struts seem to short. Before I start bending things I
> > > wanted to see if there any tricks I should know about. Thanks!
>
> > That rack is made for the VO Randonneur frame, which has rack mounts on
> > the fork in the appropriate place.  The Rambouillet has no such
> > fittings.  You could, I suppose, mount it with clamps.

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread William in Wyo
I have the p-clamps, but the struts still seem too short to get the
rack level. I'll try and bolt it on (under the crown) and se how it
lines up.

On Apr 22, 1:18 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:01 -0700, William in Wyo wrote:
> > Hi All, I got one of these nifty racks from VO
> >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-randonneur-front-rack-stain...
> > and has anyone put one on a Rambouillet? Mines a 58 with Tektro R538
> > brakes and 32C tires, no fender. At first glance it has me scratching
> > my head as the struts seem to short. Before I start bending things I
> > wanted to see if there any tricks I should know about. Thanks!
>
> That rack is made for the VO Randonneur frame, which has rack mounts on
> the fork in the appropriate place.  The Rambouillet has no such
> fittings.  You could, I suppose, mount it with clamps.

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Re: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread William Pustow
Nope, mine doesn't. I used the Riv Mark's rack.
Bill
Louisville, Ky

On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:19 PM, J. Burkhalter wrote:

> If your Ram has the appropriate mid fork braze-ons (I think only the
> green ones did?), 

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Re: [RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:19 -0700, J. Burkhalter wrote:
> 
> If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
> clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.

Why?  In what way is Mark's Rack superior to the VO rack assuming a
P-clamp installation?



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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread J. Burkhalter
Hey William,

If your Ram has the appropriate mid fork braze-ons (I think only the
green ones did?), I'd send that rack back to VO and order up a Mark's
Rack from Riv
http://tinyurl.com/45yjau5  It will fit great.

If you don't have the appropriate braze-ons you'll have to use p-
clamps, and I'd still probably trade the VO for the Mark's Rack.

-Jay B

On Apr 22, 10:01 am, William in Wyo  wrote:
> Hi All, I got one of these nifty racks from 
> VOhttp://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-randonneur-front-rack-stain...
> and has anyone put one on a Rambouillet? Mines a 58 with Tektro R538
> brakes and 32C tires, no fender. At first glance it has me scratching
> my head as the struts seem to short. Before I start bending things I
> wanted to see if there any tricks I should know about. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: installing front rack on Rambouillet

2011-04-22 Thread Minh
At a min.  you need p-clamps because the Ram does not have eyelets on
the fork.  Even then it might be tough because the arms on this rack
are not adjustable, if you do get it mounted please post back so that
others will have a reference :)

On Apr 22, 3:18 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 09:01 -0700, William in Wyo wrote:
> > Hi All, I got one of these nifty racks from VO
> >http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-randonneur-front-rack-stain...
> > and has anyone put one on a Rambouillet? Mines a 58 with Tektro R538
> > brakes and 32C tires, no fender. At first glance it has me scratching
> > my head as the struts seem to short. Before I start bending things I
> > wanted to see if there any tricks I should know about. Thanks!
>
> That rack is made for the VO Randonneur frame, which has rack mounts on
> the fork in the appropriate place.  The Rambouillet has no such
> fittings.  You could, I suppose, mount it with clamps.

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