[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-20 Thread blakcloud 
A little late but be cautious of ordering from Atomic 22. Read this thread 

 
on another forum before you do. 

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Nathan Spratt wrote:
>
> I think Atomic 22 offers a nice quil stem locking bolt.
>
> http://atomic22.com/quill-stem.aspx
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-20 Thread islaysteve 
I also supported the Hexlox kickstarter and ordered the saddle protection 
package.  Thanks to Patrick Kelly and Will for posting these two 
interesting new security devices.  I have VO security skewers on my 
Bleriot, but it's rather laughably easy for anyone to get hold of the 
security hex wrenches to defeat those (as another poster has shown us). 
With all due respect to the Pitlock pitstopper product, it can also 
apparently be defeated with a common bolt.  I don't assume that bike 
thieves are stupid or ignorant.   I like the idea of a coded key for the 
hexlox.  The main downside I can see with the hexlox is that those things 
must be awfully small and it seems like it would be very easy to loose 
them.  I realize that they are magnetic.  I hope that the company launch is 
successful and that the product becomes available in the US without having 
to be shipped from GB.  If I like the initial samples, I may order the 
skewers.  Cheers,
Steve



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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-19 Thread Lungimsam 
That is a pitstopper in my pic above

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-19 Thread drew 
well crap, now ive backed hexlox too. 

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-19 Thread Will 
These...

http://www.urbanbiketech.com/product-p/pitstopper.htm

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-6, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-18 Thread Patrick Kelly 
Well, I haven't actually ordered the security bolts like I said I was
planning to. But I did jump in on an interesting kickstarter:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hexlox/hexlox-anti-theft-for-saddles-wheels-and-more-made

Probably should have just ordered the security bolts, but I'm a sucker
for a new gadget.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Tony  wrote:
> Thanks for the tip about the upgrade available for the Allen wrenches. I
> bought the Security Bolts a couple of years ago, but gave up due to the poor
> quality tool that came with the bolts. My Riv has been fine here in the
> suburbs so far with a tether cable through the saddle, but I recently had my
> Specialized saddle/seat post stolen inside a BART station overnight - they
> cut the cable. I use a new cable with a ball bearing now in the bolt head,
> kept there with bee's wax, but I'm gonna try the Security Bolt again with
> the Bondhus tool. I'm actually gonna but five of the 5mm wrenches, since
> that's the only size I need - "Bondhus 48364 5mm Tamper Resistant Tip Hex
> L-Wrench with ProGuard Finish and Long Arm, 119mm, 5-Piece" $18 on Amazon.
>
> Tony
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance to
>> avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is a
>> great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack along
>> the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that likes
>> to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution since the
>> Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side .. all
>> you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries around a
>> set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you can
>> replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well.
>>
>> Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, the
>> wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty nice but
>> if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work looking
>> into:
>>
>> http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat
>>> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody know
>>> what size/which bolts I should get?
>>>
>>> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any
>>> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>>>
>>> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there
>>> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's
>>> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>>>
>>> mahalo
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-03-18 Thread Jack B 
The Hexlox looks promising, I might back that.

I ordered a few of the security bolts and found that it was easy to 
mis-measure. I ended up with quite a few wrong lengths... seatpost clamp 
was especially tricky to get right. Hexlox would solve that problem – All 
you need to know is the allen bolt size.



On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Well, I haven't actually ordered the security bolts like I said I was 
> planning to. But I did jump in on an interesting kickstarter: 
>
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hexlox/hexlox-anti-theft-for-saddles-wheels-and-more-made
>  
>
> Probably should have just ordered the security bolts, but I'm a sucker 
> for a new gadget. 
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Tony > 
> wrote: 
> > Thanks for the tip about the upgrade available for the Allen wrenches. I 
> > bought the Security Bolts a couple of years ago, but gave up due to the 
> poor 
> > quality tool that came with the bolts. My Riv has been fine here in the 
> > suburbs so far with a tether cable through the saddle, but I recently 
> had my 
> > Specialized saddle/seat post stolen inside a BART station overnight - 
> they 
> > cut the cable. I use a new cable with a ball bearing now in the bolt 
> head, 
> > kept there with bee's wax, but I'm gonna try the Security Bolt again 
> with 
> > the Bondhus tool. I'm actually gonna but five of the 5mm wrenches, since 
> > that's the only size I need - "Bondhus 48364 5mm Tamper Resistant Tip 
> Hex 
> > L-Wrench with ProGuard Finish and Long Arm, 119mm, 5-Piece" $18 on 
> Amazon. 
> > 
> > Tony 
> > 
> > On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance 
> to 
> >> avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is 
> a 
> >> great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack 
> along 
> >> the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that 
> likes 
> >> to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution since 
> the 
> >> Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side .. all 
> >> you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries 
> around a 
> >> set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you can 
> >> replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well. 
> >> 
> >> Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, 
> the 
> >> wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty 
> nice but 
> >> if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work 
> looking 
> >> into: 
> >> 
> >> http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly 
> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my 
> seat 
> >>> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know 
> >>> what size/which bolts I should get? 
> >>> 
> >>> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> >>> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe? 
> >>> 
> >>> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are 
> there 
> >>> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing 
> there's 
> >>> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar. 
> >>> 
> >>> mahalo 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-20 Thread Tony 
Thanks for the tip about the upgrade available for the Allen wrenches. I 
bought the Security Bolts a couple of years ago, but gave up due to the 
poor quality tool that came with the bolts. My Riv has been fine here in 
the suburbs so far with a tether cable through the saddle, but I recently 
had my Specialized saddle/seat post stolen inside a BART station overnight 
- they cut the cable. I use a new cable with a ball bearing now in the bolt 
head, kept there with bee's wax, but I'm gonna try the Security Bolt again 
with the Bondhus tool. I'm actually gonna but five of the 5mm wrenches, 
since that's the only size I need - "Bondhus 48364 5mm Tamper Resistant Tip 
Hex L-Wrench with ProGuard Finish and Long Arm, 119mm, 5-Piece" $18 on 
Amazon.

Tony

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance to 
> avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is a 
> great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack along 
> the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that 
> likes to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution 
> since the Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side 
> .. all you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries 
> around a set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you 
> can replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well. 
>
> Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, the 
> wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty nice 
> but if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work 
> looking into:
>
> http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
>> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
>> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>>
>> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
>> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>>
>> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
>> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
>> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>>
>> mahalo
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-14 Thread BSWP 
I don't worry about securing seat or stem while riding my Riv. But I do 
when it's parked outside a store or cafe... a thief wearing wool knickers 
and carrying Allen wrenches would look right at home whilst dismantling my 
bike.

I like the ball bearing wedged into the bolt head approach, just be sure to 
carry a steel pick to pry it out of you need to adjust while on the road. I 
put the bicyclebolts items on my wife's XO-5, and they seem to work fine as 
reliable fasteners.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-12 Thread N. Llama 
I think Atomic 22 offers a nice quil stem locking bolt.

http://atomic22.com/quill-stem.aspx

On Thursday, 11 February 2016 21:49:34 UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-12 Thread jeffrey kane 
Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance to 
avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is a 
great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack along 
the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that 
likes to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution 
since the Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side 
.. all you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries 
around a set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you 
can replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well. 

Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, the 
wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty nice 
but if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work 
looking into:

http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-12 Thread Shoji Takahashi 
Hi Patrick,
Assuming it's the same seat lug as other Rivs (excepting Clem, I think), 
then you'll need to replace the "M6 Hex Socket Cap, 22mm length" with the 
security bolt. 

I went with the pitlock skewers and seat post binder bolt. They're really 
spendy, but I don't worry about my wheels or seat post anymore. I think the 
visible parts of the pitlock skewers are nice looking, for what that's 
worth. 

(One could still take the saddle by unscrewing at the rail/post interface.)

There are ways to secure the quill, but, other than putting a ball bearing 
in there, it gets complicated. If I was that concerned about it, I probably 
wouldn't be riding my Riv.

Good luck!
shoji



On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-12 Thread Zed Martinez 
I'm using a Pinhead locking skewer on my Clem right now. As Riv warns, they 
work, but you'll eventually chip the paint. In keeping with that Clemmy 
spirit I decided that was an OK compromise, plus with my saddle bag always 
hanging over it it's not like any touch-up paint in the future will be so 
visible. Otherwise, they do work,mostly.You have to crank'em pretty tight, 
and I had to use a little Loctite 609 (thanks other discussion on here 
about slipping seat posts for introducing me to that bit of magic) to fix 
some slow slip it had even then, but it's been rock solid for the past 
month now.  Didn't know about those bolts you're linking to there, though. 
Those will probably work better. I've got the outside to outside on my 
Clem's binder clamp bits at 35mm, so, it's possible the 30mm bolt would be 
long enough once in the recesses.

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
>

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-12 Thread Tony DeFilippo 
You'd need the bolt by itself, all the Riv seat post braze ons in familiar with 
are recessed for a nut on one side and an Allen bolt recessed on the other.  
I'm guessing the Joe will follow suit.  

So it's just the length you need to figure out. I'm not positive but wouldn't 
the proper length be common for any Riv with a similar seat post braze on?  I 
can measure mine tonight... Neat website, thanks for sharing.

Anyone have experience with the leather 'cardif mercia' seats they are selling? 
 They look like B17 clones.

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

2016-02-11 Thread sameness 
I don't know if these 
 are any good in 
practice (been meaning to try them, alas), but they're made by Pitlock for 
exactly what you want to do. 

A bit more elegant than Super Glue and a ball bearing, with a price to 
match, but still cheaper than a replacement saddle or bars.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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