[RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Oct 21, 2:06 pm, John Speare wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, [email protected] > > wrote: > > > Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on > > different wheelsets. > > Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... > > Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR > 8speed ti cassettes to me and I'll do that work for you. > Once again, y'all really come through on this group and know how to help out. How awesome is that! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
The industry will say anything to promote their goods. They'll say hey , we gotta cut costs, so we're just going to make 10 speed stuff only. Code for ... we can make more money. They are not hurting making 7, 9 or 9 speed stuff. The hard thing may be getting hubs. The aftermarket will have to step up to offer 8/9 sp. bodies. I'm sure Phil Wood will keep them around. I don't think SRAM or anyone else is going to stop making 8 speed chains anytime remotely soon. I'm still lamenting SRAM for buying Sachs and closing the FW factory. Those FW's are great. I have yet to even come close to wearing one out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on > different wheelsets. > Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... > Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR 8speed ti cassettes to me and I'll do that work for you. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
Steve, your assertion (sadly accurate as it may be) that "everybody's moving to 10 speed or higher" only strengthens my resolve to never give in to this madness, and not only will they be prying my dead fingers off my 7-speed freewheel when they bury me, I'd like my tombstone to read "MY 10-speed is a 2x5"... I have to laugh at myself, because my 29er mountain bike has a carbon 9-speed derailleur, hydraulic brakes and tubeless rims (although it IS steel with a steel fork, thank you), so therefore I don't qualify as a true "luddite"... But when it comes to derailleured drivetrains, the move to 10-speed and beyond will only create weaker components and lessen index shifting tolerances. This is simply moving us in the wrong direction... It's NOT going to make the riding experience better... I'm all for gearing choices, but not at the expense of making a weaker drivetrain. Gee, I was in such a good mood... the mere mention of 10 speed cassettes always brings me down... I need a good ride on my thick-chained 5 speed... On Oct 19, 3:29 pm, doug peterson wrote: > Beth: > > Thank you for sharing your info from within the bike biz. It has the > cold ring of reality. Since my now 7+ year old Atlantis is my only 8 > speed bike, and everything else around here is 7, I'm stocking up on > chains. I've been collecting 7 & 8 speed cassettes off the close out > table for quite a while but a few more won't hurt. > > dougP > > On Oct 19, 12:04 pm, Beth H wrote: > > > > > Here's a little more reality for you: > > > I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me > > that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps > > two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2 > > or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components that road 10-speed > > systems do and are therefore easier to mass-produce for big companies > > like SRAM and Shimano. He had spoken with folks at both Shimano and > > SRAM during the Interbike show and apparently they hinted at this > > reality coming down the line. Said rep was told that continued support > > for 8-speed drivetrains was not as profitable because it required > > companies to produce two different kinds of chaincs and cassette cogs. > > Basing both road and mountain drivetrains on a 10-speed system, with > > its narrower chains and thinner cassette cogs, would simplify > > production quicky. (It would also mean more sales, since these parts > > wear out sooner; though the SRAM technician refused to comment on that > > and guy from Shimano would only hint at it in the vaguest language.) > > > Based on discussions I had two years ago when Shimano stopped making 5- > > speed freewheels and the only remaining choices were Sunrace (ick) and > > IRD (decent, but expensive), I would say that this estimate bears more > > than a shred of truth. > > > If you like 8-speed, this would be a good time to look for sales. > > Don't forget that you'll want to stock up on 8-speed compatible > > chains, too, since these will eventually fade like cassettes (though > > not quite as quickly). > > > As for me, I've got a sizable stash of refurbished five- and six-speed > > freewheels that will fit on my Phil hubs... > > Beth "I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic" Hamon- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote: > > On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > > > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved > > > and I do use index shifting. Decisions, decisions.. > > > > That's one of the easiest upgrade decisions you'll ever make. Nothing > > to it besides replacing shifters, cassette and chain. Just do it. > > Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on > different wheelsets. > Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... The obvious time for an upgrade is when you need to replace the chain and cassette anyway. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, [email protected] wrote: > > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved > > and I do use index shifting. Decisions, decisions.. > > That's one of the easiest upgrade decisions you'll ever make. Nothing > to it besides replacing shifters, cassette and chain. Just do it. Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on different wheelsets. Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, [email protected] wrote: > I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for > pretty much the same as mail order prices. > > Yeah, I should get a couple more... > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved > and I do use index shifting. Decisions, decisions.. That's one of the easiest upgrade decisions you'll ever make. Nothing to it besides replacing shifters, cassette and chain. Just do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 13:36 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > Is there any effective difference between a shimano hg40, 50 or 70 cassette? The HG50 are black, the HG70 silver. That's a big (cosmetic) difference right there, and it matters a lot to some people. Functionally, I'm not so sure. Personally, I've stockpiled several of the discontinued HG70 7 speed 13-30 cassettes... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for > pretty much the same as mail order prices. > > Yeah, I should get a couple more... > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved > and I do use index shifting. Decisions, decisions... > Stupid question time. Is there any effective difference between a shimano hg40, 50 or 70 cassette? Ditto vis-a-vis the sram vs shimano? or the chains, for that matter. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for pretty much the same as mail order prices. Yeah, I should get a couple more... Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette options w/ 34T cogs that it offers. 9 speed seems to be pretty proved and I do use index shifting. Decisions, decisions... On Oct 21, 8:30 am, Mike wrote: > Currently you can get 8 speed chains and cassettes pretty cheap > through a couple of sources. I think I'll stock up. But first, a bike > ride on this beautiful fall day, the last before the rain begins. > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
Currently you can get 8 speed chains and cassettes pretty cheap through a couple of sources. I think I'll stock up. But first, a bike ride on this beautiful fall day, the last before the rain begins. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
After reading this again I realize I am coming off as a shill for Nashbar, sorry not my intent. I'd rather buy from RWB and I am glad they are including a "econo" derailleur option. On Oct 20, 9:09 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > Grant appears to be using their Mountain RD which is 8/9, which > Nashbar stocks too. Nashbar also sells a Microshift 10 speed road > group with an RD per their site > > "The Nashbar 10 speed short cage rear derailleur has a total teeth > capacity of 29T and a max rear sprocket size of 27T. 2:1 pull ratio is > compatible with Shimano 10 speed components" > > Since friction doesn't really care a 10 speed RD would work fine if > you didn't mind being restricted to 27 or 28 teeth on your Cassette/ > FW. At $35, or $28 after their 20% off coupon, not a bad deal. > > I am mostly excited about the prospect of A) another option for bar > end shifters and B) that it is possible to use a right (front) shifter > on the Left (rear) in friction mode! never thought of that but its > good to know. > > Ryan > > On Oct 20, 2:52 pm, cm wrote: > > > I see this as a reaction against the big players (Shim, Camp, and > > Sram). I believe there was a posting on the site that said it wouldnt > > be too long before everything was 10 speed and 10 speed doesnt play > > well with others. I think going to a smaller company who is looking to > > be a player and working with them BEFORE we are all trolling 'bay like > > addicts for 5- 9 speed components is very smart. Hopefully this will > > create a nice market for market for Microshift who will invest in > > their products. Seems like this approach has worked well with > > components-- brakes come to mind. > > > Cheers! > > cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
I wore out the pivot assembly on an XTR M95x. The upper pully was grinding on the cassette no matter what I did. $25 and 20 minutes later, the new pivot spring brought it back to life. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
Grant appears to be using their Mountain RD which is 8/9, which Nashbar stocks too. Nashbar also sells a Microshift 10 speed road group with an RD per their site "The Nashbar 10 speed short cage rear derailleur has a total teeth capacity of 29T and a max rear sprocket size of 27T. 2:1 pull ratio is compatible with Shimano 10 speed components" Since friction doesn't really care a 10 speed RD would work fine if you didn't mind being restricted to 27 or 28 teeth on your Cassette/ FW. At $35, or $28 after their 20% off coupon, not a bad deal. I am mostly excited about the prospect of A) another option for bar end shifters and B) that it is possible to use a right (front) shifter on the Left (rear) in friction mode! never thought of that but its good to know. Ryan On Oct 20, 2:52 pm, cm wrote: > I see this as a reaction against the big players (Shim, Camp, and > Sram). I believe there was a posting on the site that said it wouldnt > be too long before everything was 10 speed and 10 speed doesnt play > well with others. I think going to a smaller company who is looking to > be a player and working with them BEFORE we are all trolling 'bay like > addicts for 5- 9 speed components is very smart. Hopefully this will > create a nice market for market for Microshift who will invest in > their products. Seems like this approach has worked well with > components-- brakes come to mind. > > Cheers! > cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
on 10/20/10 2:28 PM, doug peterson at [email protected] wrote: > All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear > derailer last? I've worn out a couple - an old "Deer Head" Deore which was the original on my '83 Montare mtb. Towards the end, you could actually feel the slop as you shifted (friction thumbies). It wouldn't reliably hold in the lowest (6 speed) sprocket and was iffy shifting down to the highest gear (yep, new cables/housing). That bike saw a lot of hours and learning. The other was an XT (silver/black circa '93). That was on another mtb and it just tended not to shift after a while. Both of those were long cage. Maybe 6 years of pretty hard, off-road use under all kinds of conditions. I've got road derailleurs which keep plugging along, but most were 600/Ultegra or higher. And now I put more miles on derailleur-less systems... ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar [email protected] Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
I see this as a reaction against the big players (Shim, Camp, and Sram). I believe there was a posting on the site that said it wouldnt be too long before everything was 10 speed and 10 speed doesnt play well with others. I think going to a smaller company who is looking to be a player and working with them BEFORE we are all trolling 'bay like addicts for 5- 9 speed components is very smart. Hopefully this will create a nice market for market for Microshift who will invest in their products. Seems like this approach has worked well with components-- brakes come to mind. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:31 -0700, Eric Norris wrote: > I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace > jockey pulleys. I wore out -- as in, it became very sloppy and shifting became imprecise -- a Shimano Titlist GS in a couple of years back around 1974. I replaced it with a SunTour VGT Luxe that lasted at least 15 years and was fine when the bike it was on was stolen. I've never worn out a recent vintage Shimano rear derailleur. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace jockey pulleys. Classic Campagnolo derailleurs, with bronze bushings, will last for decades (I have a 1972 rear der that I'm still using). Modern indexed systems have less tolerance for wear and may not last as long, but kept reasonably clean and lubes they should have a long lifetime. —Eric N On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:28 PM, doug peterson wrote: > All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear > derailer last? Since the RD gets used the most, is hanging in the > breeze, and has constantly moving parts, it should wear out sooner > than anything else (excepting tires & brakes). The RD on my Atlantis > is the original from early '03. The logos are long gone but the > invoice lists it as "Deore Silver" and Riv charged $45 for it as part > of the build, if that gives a clue to the grade. It's gone at least > 30k miles, mostly in a dry climate. It has been drenched and gotten > filthy many times though. Maintenance consists of blowing it out with > Tri-Flow once or twice a year. It still seems to work fine. Bike is > 8 speed friction. > > Do you guys in wet or dusty climates find derailers wear to the point > of poor shifting? I realize it's going to be a function of climate, > cleanliness, maintenance and mileage, but I can't recall ever actually > wearing one out. And I've worn out plenty of cogs, chains, and > chainrings, so it's not any maintenance magic on my part. Thoughts? > > dougP > > On Oct 20, 12:28 pm, Michael_S wrote: >> Grant just posted a follow up post with the installation of the >> aforementioned Microshift "groupo" on his Hilsen. >> They look nice from afar... the key question as Jim mentions... will >> they still work good a couple of years down the road/trail. Like >> everything testing and use will tell us more about their potential >> longevity.http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/298 >> >> ~Mike~ >> >> On Oct 20, 11:14 am, CycloFiend wrote: >> >> >> >>> on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at [email protected] wrote: >> I can't say I understand the need for this either? I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end Shimano wouldn't do? >> I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under 30 bucks. >> >>> The issue with modern derailleurs is not that they don't work well out of >>> the box. They all shift well. The better stuff tends to shift well >>> _longer_. >> >>> The Alivio works ok, but if Microshift brings out an inexpensive derailleur >>> which has been designed to withstand more frequent, regular use, then the >>> comparison is not entirely appropriate. >> >>> Forging rather than stamping, quality of bushings, tolerance of manufacture >>> are what differentiate Alivio from DuraAce. Everytime you shift, there's a >>> pretty good torque on the cage and body. Cheaper bits wear faster. >> >>> So, if the inexpensive derailleur which had the durability of an upper end >>> model would be a good thing. >> >>> - Jim >> >>> -- >>> Jim Edgar >>> [email protected] >> >>> Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com >>> Current Classics - Cross Bikes >>> Singlespeed - Working Bikes >> >>> Your Photos are needed! - Send them here >>> -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines >> >>> "I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode >>> several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it >>> wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, >>> and went in." >>> -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear derailer last? Since the RD gets used the most, is hanging in the breeze, and has constantly moving parts, it should wear out sooner than anything else (excepting tires & brakes). The RD on my Atlantis is the original from early '03. The logos are long gone but the invoice lists it as "Deore Silver" and Riv charged $45 for it as part of the build, if that gives a clue to the grade. It's gone at least 30k miles, mostly in a dry climate. It has been drenched and gotten filthy many times though. Maintenance consists of blowing it out with Tri-Flow once or twice a year. It still seems to work fine. Bike is 8 speed friction. Do you guys in wet or dusty climates find derailers wear to the point of poor shifting? I realize it's going to be a function of climate, cleanliness, maintenance and mileage, but I can't recall ever actually wearing one out. And I've worn out plenty of cogs, chains, and chainrings, so it's not any maintenance magic on my part. Thoughts? dougP On Oct 20, 12:28 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Grant just posted a follow up post with the installation of the > aforementioned Microshift "groupo" on his Hilsen. > They look nice from afar... the key question as Jim mentions... will > they still work good a couple of years down the road/trail. Like > everything testing and use will tell us more about their potential > longevity.http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/298 > > ~Mike~ > > On Oct 20, 11:14 am, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > > on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at [email protected] wrote: > > > > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > > > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > > > Shimano wouldn't do? > > > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > > > big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. > > > But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under > > > 30 bucks. > > > The issue with modern derailleurs is not that they don't work well out of > > the box. They all shift well. The better stuff tends to shift well > > _longer_. > > > The Alivio works ok, but if Microshift brings out an inexpensive derailleur > > which has been designed to withstand more frequent, regular use, then the > > comparison is not entirely appropriate. > > > Forging rather than stamping, quality of bushings, tolerance of manufacture > > are what differentiate Alivio from DuraAce. Everytime you shift, there's a > > pretty good torque on the cage and body. Cheaper bits wear faster. > > > So, if the inexpensive derailleur which had the durability of an upper end > > model would be a good thing. > > > - Jim > > > -- > > Jim Edgar > > [email protected] > > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > > Your Photos are needed! - Send them here > > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > > "I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode > > several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it > > wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, > > and went in." > > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide part two
Grant just posted a follow up post with the installation of the aforementioned Microshift "groupo" on his Hilsen. They look nice from afar... the key question as Jim mentions... will they still work good a couple of years down the road/trail. Like everything testing and use will tell us more about their potential longevity. http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/298 ~Mike~ On Oct 20, 11:14 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at [email protected] wrote: > > > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > > Shimano wouldn't do? > > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > > big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. > > But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under > > 30 bucks. > > The issue with modern derailleurs is not that they don't work well out of > the box. They all shift well. The better stuff tends to shift well > _longer_. > > The Alivio works ok, but if Microshift brings out an inexpensive derailleur > which has been designed to withstand more frequent, regular use, then the > comparison is not entirely appropriate. > > Forging rather than stamping, quality of bushings, tolerance of manufacture > are what differentiate Alivio from DuraAce. Everytime you shift, there's a > pretty good torque on the cage and body. Cheaper bits wear faster. > > So, if the inexpensive derailleur which had the durability of an upper end > model would be a good thing. > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > [email protected] > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > Your Photos are needed! - Send them here -http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines > > "I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode > several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it > wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, > and went in." > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at [email protected] wrote: > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > Shimano wouldn't do? > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. > But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under > 30 bucks. The issue with modern derailleurs is not that they don't work well out of the box. They all shift well. The better stuff tends to shift well _longer_. The Alivio works ok, but if Microshift brings out an inexpensive derailleur which has been designed to withstand more frequent, regular use, then the comparison is not entirely appropriate. Forging rather than stamping, quality of bushings, tolerance of manufacture are what differentiate Alivio from DuraAce. Everytime you shift, there's a pretty good torque on the cage and body. Cheaper bits wear faster. So, if the inexpensive derailleur which had the durability of an upper end model would be a good thing. - Jim -- Jim Edgar [email protected] Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in." -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:00 -0700, bfd wrote: > That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put > on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot > brakes with no q/r he use to sell. I remember those brakes. They had plenty of reach and clearance, and this was at a time when there were very few long reach side pull brakes available. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:42 -0700, Garth wrote: > 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find, As far as I know, every gearing combination originally available for 7 speed cassettes is still available, although it's true the HG70s have been discontinued. 7 is more widely available than 8: in the wide range cassettes, all you can find in 8 speed now start with 11 teeth. The 12-x have all been discontinued. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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You could see this coming from Shimano like a freight train on a moonless night. 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find, then they only offered the cassettes in black. Their 8sp. cs selection has shrunk. But hey ,there will be a market for the 8 and 9sp. stuff. While many have updrage-itis, many do not. We live in a time when the market needs not be dominated by just a few. I'm glad I stuck with freewheels all these years. More than 7 gears is just no fun with friction. I don't know what has happened with the IRD FW's. They're still having QC issues with them, and Riv stopped selling them for some reason. Velo Orange has spoke of getting some FW made, but they will likely be for road use. Is making a decent FW that hard? I don't know I wouldn't think so. The derailers .. hey . we could use some new ones besides SRAM and Shimano. Frankly, I'm not all that impressed with Shimano's current ones. My chain rattles all over the place on bumpy roads due to the weaker springs designed for "easier" shifts. The Microshift ones may or may not be any better. Nashbar sells them right now minus the Microshift label. Is making a decent derailer so hard too? Maybe it is maybe not. The public is all to often like cows just going along with what they are given. I have not much appealing innovation since Suntour crashed many years ago. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Beth H wrote: > > Here's a little more reality for you: > > I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me > that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps > two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2 > or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components that road 10-speed > systems do and are therefore easier to mass-produce for big companies > like SRAM and Shimano. He had spoken with folks at both Shimano and > SRAM during the Interbike show and apparently they hinted at this > reality coming down the line. Said rep was told that continued support > for 8-speed drivetrains was not as profitable because it required > companies to produce two different kinds of chaincs and cassette cogs. > Basing both road and mountain drivetrains on a 10-speed system, with > its narrower chains and thinner cassette cogs, would simplify > production quicky. (It would also mean more sales, since these parts > wear out sooner; though the SRAM technician refused to comment on that > and guy from Shimano would only hint at it in the vaguest language.) > > Based on discussions I had two years ago when Shimano stopped making 5- > speed freewheels and the only remaining choices were Sunrace (ick) and > IRD (decent, but expensive), I would say that this estimate bears more > than a shred of truth. > > If you like 8-speed, this would be a good time to look for sales. > Don't forget that you'll want to stock up on 8-speed compatible > chains, too, since these will eventually fade like cassettes (though > not quite as quickly). > > As for me, I've got a sizable stash of refurbished five- and six-speed > freewheels that will fit on my Phil hubs... > Beth "I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic" Hamon > > -- I see this as already-pretty-much the case: you can find 8 speed chains and cassettes which are ok and I expect them to be around for many years; there are just too many bikes out there with 8 speed drivetrains, and low-end bikes still ship with new 8 speed Shimano stuff. But the bummer is finding good quality 8-speed stuff: shifters and cassettes mainly. The XTR cassettes dried up at the LBS's a long time ago. You can still get them on ebay, but they are pricey. I'm ok with SRAM 8 spd but they're no XTR. Shifting is a killer already: good luck finding 8-spd DT shifters or good STI systems under $100. That's a bummer. I'm all for friction but for CX or mountain biking with drop bars, I like STI. And I like indexed DT shifters... I suppose I'll switch to 9 speeds in a couple years when my current stock of STI stuff finally blows up for good. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Beth: Thank you for sharing your info from within the bike biz. It has the cold ring of reality. Since my now 7+ year old Atlantis is my only 8 speed bike, and everything else around here is 7, I'm stocking up on chains. I've been collecting 7 & 8 speed cassettes off the close out table for quite a while but a few more won't hurt. dougP On Oct 19, 12:04 pm, Beth H wrote: > Here's a little more reality for you: > > I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me > that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps > two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2 > or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components that road 10-speed > systems do and are therefore easier to mass-produce for big companies > like SRAM and Shimano. He had spoken with folks at both Shimano and > SRAM during the Interbike show and apparently they hinted at this > reality coming down the line. Said rep was told that continued support > for 8-speed drivetrains was not as profitable because it required > companies to produce two different kinds of chaincs and cassette cogs. > Basing both road and mountain drivetrains on a 10-speed system, with > its narrower chains and thinner cassette cogs, would simplify > production quicky. (It would also mean more sales, since these parts > wear out sooner; though the SRAM technician refused to comment on that > and guy from Shimano would only hint at it in the vaguest language.) > > Based on discussions I had two years ago when Shimano stopped making 5- > speed freewheels and the only remaining choices were Sunrace (ick) and > IRD (decent, but expensive), I would say that this estimate bears more > than a shred of truth. > > If you like 8-speed, this would be a good time to look for sales. > Don't forget that you'll want to stock up on 8-speed compatible > chains, too, since these will eventually fade like cassettes (though > not quite as quickly). > > As for me, I've got a sizable stash of refurbished five- and six-speed > freewheels that will fit on my Phil hubs... > Beth "I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic" Hamon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
Here's a little more reality for you: I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains (10 x 2 or 10 x 3), which use basically the same components that road 10-speed systems do and are therefore easier to mass-produce for big companies like SRAM and Shimano. He had spoken with folks at both Shimano and SRAM during the Interbike show and apparently they hinted at this reality coming down the line. Said rep was told that continued support for 8-speed drivetrains was not as profitable because it required companies to produce two different kinds of chaincs and cassette cogs. Basing both road and mountain drivetrains on a 10-speed system, with its narrower chains and thinner cassette cogs, would simplify production quicky. (It would also mean more sales, since these parts wear out sooner; though the SRAM technician refused to comment on that and guy from Shimano would only hint at it in the vaguest language.) Based on discussions I had two years ago when Shimano stopped making 5- speed freewheels and the only remaining choices were Sunrace (ick) and IRD (decent, but expensive), I would say that this estimate bears more than a shred of truth. If you like 8-speed, this would be a good time to look for sales. Don't forget that you'll want to stock up on 8-speed compatible chains, too, since these will eventually fade like cassettes (though not quite as quickly). As for me, I've got a sizable stash of refurbished five- and six-speed freewheels that will fit on my Phil hubs... Beth "I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic" Hamon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, bfd wrote: > > > On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien wrote: >> I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super >> cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a >> little backwards. > > That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put > on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot > brakes with no q/r he use to sell. Yes, it worked (barely), but sure > didn't look good. Further, using things like non-aero brakes with > cables hanging out never made any sense as they made his nice frames > look like old "10 speed" bikes that use to sell for $200. Good Luck! > I hate to say this - but bfd - it feels like either: 1. you have an ax to grind or 2. you're intentionally trolling this mailing list. In either case I'd appreciate it if you would stop. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien wrote: > I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super > cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a > little backwards. That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot brakes with no q/r he use to sell. Yes, it worked (barely), but sure didn't look good. Further, using things like non-aero brakes with cables hanging out never made any sense as they made his nice frames look like old "10 speed" bikes that use to sell for $200. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I think looking at other derailers is the direct result of what Grant wrote on 2 October (knothole): "So we're planning for that inevitable and maybe even imminent extinction [of <10 speed]" And I agree with MKahrl, that how well a rear derailer works with any sort of indexing shifter is pretty much irrelevant to me. If the thing is durable, keeps alignment, and doesn't misbehave, I'm probably OK with it. Looking pretty would be a plus, but sometimes I think looking like crap and working well is a virtue with things that sometimes attract theft. I know next to nothing about Microshift, so I have no idea if their stuff meets the "durable, etc" features I want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:06 -0700, Peter Pesce wrote: > Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't > be available if they didn't make them, which I think is an awesome > mission statement, I don't see where cheap derailers fit in. The work > will always be full of them. Now that everybody's moving to 10 speed or higher, with even thinner chains (and in the case of Shimano, different cable pull for the RD) you can't count on a handy supply of new 9-speed compatible derailleurs or shifters. If you don't care to go to 10, that's a non-trivial thing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:18 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction > front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on > the derailleur. > And if Shimano is no longer interested in supporting 9 speed shifters, it's nice there's someone who is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I agree, and I can can't see how it helps Riv's brand perception to be selling the cheapest and/or highest margin stuff out there. I actually don't see why they have to sell derailers at all. Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't be available if they didn't make them, which I think is an awesome mission statement, I don't see where cheap derailers fit in. The work will always be full of them. Now, maybe if they specially commissioned a totally bomb-proof, friction-only only rear derailer with a classic Campy or Simplex look, THAT might qualify. I guess it doesn't matter, really, and the sooner I stop trying to figure out why Grant does certain things the happier I'll be! :) On Oct 19, 1:03 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super > cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a > little backwards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame. Seems a little backwards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
Agree, besides fluctuation of the yen, another reason might be profit margin. That Shimano RD might retail for $30, but cost Riv $20. In contrast, the Microshift RD might also retail for $30, but cost Riv only $12. If that's the case, can you blame Riv for sourcing the cheaper derailleur when it does the exact same thing? Good Luck! On Oct 19, 9:49 am, doug peterson wrote: > We may be seeing the effect of currency fluctuations. Grant has > commented that the steady upward trend of the yen is a headache. > Speculation on my part but perhaps a decent quality Shimano RD for $30 > won't be around much longer? Or Riv feels the need for 2 sources of > supply? As to quality, with modern manufacturing technology I > wouldn't be concerned about the derailers. Recall Grant's comment > about the least necessary part on your bike - the FD. > > dougP > > On Oct 19, 8:26 am, Peter Pesce wrote: > > > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > > Shimano wouldn't do? > > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > > big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. > > But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under > > 30 bucks. > > > On Oct 18, 11:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > Just read grant's new post about > > > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > > > And I found > > > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > > > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > > > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > > > -sv- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
We may be seeing the effect of currency fluctuations. Grant has commented that the steady upward trend of the yen is a headache. Speculation on my part but perhaps a decent quality Shimano RD for $30 won't be around much longer? Or Riv feels the need for 2 sources of supply? As to quality, with modern manufacturing technology I wouldn't be concerned about the derailers. Recall Grant's comment about the least necessary part on your bike - the FD. dougP On Oct 19, 8:26 am, Peter Pesce wrote: > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > Shimano wouldn't do? > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. > But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under > 30 bucks. > > On Oct 18, 11:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > Just read grant's new post about > > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > > And I found > > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > > -sv- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I can't say I understand the need for this either? I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end Shimano wouldn't do? I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a big leap from $16 to $150+ for DuraAce/Thumbies. But a low end Alivio or something rear derailer can be had for under 30 bucks. On Oct 18, 11:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > Just read grant's new post about > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > And I found > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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kinda partial to 7 or 8 speed myself. I have one bike set up with 10 speed campy index bar ends and an 8 speed XTR cassette... works great. funy thing to me is they all say max 28T cassette, even the long cage ones. Whats up wit dat? ~Mike~ On Oct 19, 7:18 am, James Warren wrote: > As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and > use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur. > > On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote: > >> Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how > >> well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other > >> manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these > >> concerns are meaningless since we use friction shifters. I have not > >> found anything to indicate that the derailers themselves don't shift > >> just as crisply as any other of any price group on the market. > > > And at least from a cosmetic standpoint the all silver microshift ones > > look, for the world like a ultegra 6500rd. > > > I dunno how well they last but I suspect, like a lot of things, they > > are substantially better than average. > > > -sv > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur. On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote: >> Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how >> well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other >> manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these >> concerns are meaningless since we use friction shifters. I have not >> found anything to indicate that the derailers themselves don't shift >> just as crisply as any other of any price group on the market. >> > > And at least from a cosmetic standpoint the all silver microshift ones > look, for the world like a ultegra 6500rd. > > I dunno how well they last but I suspect, like a lot of things, they > are substantially better than average. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote: > Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how > well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other > manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these > concerns are meaningless since we use friction shifters. I have not > found anything to indicate that the derailers themselves don't shift > just as crisply as any other of any price group on the market. > And at least from a cosmetic standpoint the all silver microshift ones look, for the world like a ultegra 6500rd. I dunno how well they last but I suspect, like a lot of things, they are substantially better than average. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other manufacturer's brifters. From RBW's point of view (and mine) these concerns are meaningless since we use friction shifters. I have not found anything to indicate that the derailers themselves don't shift just as crisply as any other of any price group on the market. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
But if the other option is to offer only 9 or 10 speed, maybe going to a different brand will be necessary. While 9 speed derailers will work with older technology, unsure if 10 speed will do the same. Or 11 speed for that matter. >From looking through the Microshift website, didn't see anything that appealed to my eyes. But that is my bias. Will probably grab some older, black, Shimano derailers for use in the future. Or, will swap one of the bikes over to a 2x10 wide range setup and see how that works. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 19, 7:23 am, MichaelH wrote: > I certainly wouldn't dispute Grant's observation that there are times > when we need to compromise for the sake of economy, but when you don't > have to, don't. > > This summer I converted my Ram to a CD with an 11-28 cassette and then > put the new Shimano 6700RD on there. It replaced a mid-range Centaur > & triple set up that shifted very well. But this derailer is > incredibly smooth and accurate. I'm glad I spent the money. > > Michael > > On Oct 18, 11:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > Just read grant's new post about > > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > > And I found > > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > > -sv- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I certainly wouldn't dispute Grant's observation that there are times when we need to compromise for the sake of economy, but when you don't have to, don't. This summer I converted my Ram to a CD with an 11-28 cassette and then put the new Shimano 6700RD on there. It replaced a mid-range Centaur & triple set up that shifted very well. But this derailer is incredibly smooth and accurate. I'm glad I spent the money. Michael On Oct 18, 11:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > Just read grant's new post about > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > And I found > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 04:48 -0700, Johnny Alien wrote: > > I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and > > others rebadge. > > This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked > they will be carrying them. I guess the real question is, how much of the negative chat is due to prejudice and how much to actual poor performance? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
> I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and > others rebadge. This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked they will be carrying them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: worlds collide
I don't get the short cage dérailleur that's the same as a long cage? I think something got lost in translation. I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and others rebadge. Personally I still swear by my Suntour stuff. ~Mike~ On Oct 18, 8:54 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > Just read grant's new post about > deraillers:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/297 > > And I did a little looking into the microshift deraillers. > > And I found > this:http://www.microshift.biz/pviewitem1.asp?sn=791&area=51&cat=184# > > Now it's only funny to me or to others who might work in my field - > but I used to help build the centos OS and the idea of having a centos > derailler by microshift amuses me to no end. > > other than that it's pretty good looking. > > anyone actually used any of these yet? > -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
