Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I briefly rode the 51 Joe at rivHQ. My size is 55, so it was a bit small, but it was totally ridable. I liked the new bars, and that was the thing I was most interested in checking out. I'm anticipating mounting the levers more forward and spending at least 50% of my time with my hands just behind the curves. I'll have to move back a bit when I want to brake/shift, but this will give me more hand positions to brake from, since you just need to grab the end of the lever with a couple finger to brake. They look like sit-up-and-beg bars, but the best feature (I think) is that they totally work for more stretched out as well, but allow you to sit up more if/when you want. On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Tim Wood wrote: > Ya I think you're right about the illusion. However, I think most 55cm joe > riders would also ride a 52 Clem, and the 52 Clem has a 61cm tt which I think > compensates well for swept back bars. Maybe the joe will be more versatile in > the bar selection dept. meaning it would be suitable to run uprights or drops. > > When I found out prior to delivery that my 59 Clem had a 64cm tt I was > concerned as all my other bikes are all around 57-59, however it feels great. > I am loving the extra room, and while drop bars are probably out of the > question, I wouldn't want the top tube or reach to be any less. In fact I am > probably going to swap out the boscos for albas as sometimes I feel the bars > are too close. > > Cheers.. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Ya I think you're right about the illusion. However, I think most 55cm joe riders would also ride a 52 Clem, and the 52 Clem has a 61cm tt which I think compensates well for swept back bars. Maybe the joe will be more versatile in the bar selection dept. meaning it would be suitable to run uprights or drops. When I found out prior to delivery that my 59 Clem had a 64cm tt I was concerned as all my other bikes are all around 57-59, however it feels great. I am loving the extra room, and while drop bars are probably out of the question, I wouldn't want the top tube or reach to be any less. In fact I am probably going to swap out the boscos for albas as sometimes I feel the bars are too close. Cheers.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I also thought the proportions looked a little funky but I'm sure it rides great (like if Sam and Clem could have a lovechild). I'm guessing it climbs very well. The impression of a short top tube may be an illusion due to the lengthened rear triangle. The geometry chart lists the 55's tt at 58.3. That's almost a full cm longer than my 56 canti Hillborne (57.5 tt). My concern was that the reach was getting too long but I think an additional cm would feel just about perfect for me. The grips on the photo actually extend back farther than the Albastache does on my Sam. John On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 11:04:52 PM UTC-8, Tim Wood wrote: > > Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, here or in other posts, but there > are some nice photos of the choco bar in staff bikes on grants cheviot. Not > sure how long they've been up, I pop by the staff bikes area for accessory > inspiration once in a while and just noticed. Kinda looks like a Bosco with > less rise. I agree, the built up appa looks a little proportionally wacky, > but then again so does my Clem and I love it. But the 55 joe looks a little > cramped in the top tube/reach department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, here or in other posts, but there are some nice photos of the choco bar in staff bikes on grants cheviot. Not sure how long they've been up, I pop by the staff bikes area for accessory inspiration once in a while and just noticed. Kinda looks like a Bosco with less rise. I agree, the built up appa looks a little proportionally wacky, but then again so does my Clem and I love it. But the 55 joe looks a little cramped in the top tube/reach department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Man, I've gotta figure out a way to test ride one of these and see what's what, because to my eyes, almost everything about that bike looks kinda... wacky? "You may not like it now but you will You may not like it now but you will The future will not stand still..." Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 11:03:00 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote: > > complete build joe on the riv blog. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
It looks like it has the stem+bar cockpit rather than the bullmoose version. It's a Nitto cromo stem and an aluminum Nitto handlebar. On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-8, William R. wrote: > > Yes! Very nice. Digging those Conti Retro Ride tires. I wonder if those > are the 2.0" or 2.2" versions. I would be all set if it came with the > latter (or something comparable) instead of the spec'ed Kenda's that I will > be replacing immediately. But yeah... it looks great. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Yes! Very nice. Digging those Conti Retro Ride tires. I wonder if those are the 2.0" or 2.2" versions. I would be all set if it came with the latter (or something comparable) instead of the spec'ed Kenda's that I will be replacing immediately. But yeah... it looks great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
That is really nice.-Original Message- From: Philip Kim Sent: Dec 18, 2015 11:03 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe? complete build joe on the riv blog. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
complete build joe on the riv blog. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Betty Foys also have an off diameter post. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Well there you go, serendipity. When putting together my Clementine, it did strike me as a bit odd, the massive seat post. But if that's the story, the one lug on the bike changed the spec of most of the other tubing. I guess not a huge deal since the rest of the bike is tigged. Based on this info, I officially withdraw my hazardous guess and retreat back to the sidelines. On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 11:01:41 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:03:18 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> Clems are 29.8. I would hazard a guess that the App would fall into this >> size, but it is a guess based on zero info. >> >> >>> > I believe it happened on the Clem only because of a mistake by the lug > manufacturer. There was a Blug entry that said something like : "Can we > just call it serendipity, in the sprit of Clem-ness?" I'd wager that the > Appaloosa has the normal 27.2. > > BTW: shims don't work well aesthetically, because of the point at the top > of the seat tube lug. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:03:18 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Clems are 29.8. I would hazard a guess that the App would fall into this > size, but it is a guess based on zero info. > > >> I believe it happened on the Clem only because of a mistake by the lug manufacturer. There was a Blug entry that said something like : "Can we just call it serendipity, in the sprit of Clem-ness?" I'd wager that the Appaloosa has the normal 27.2. BTW: shims don't work well aesthetically, because of the point at the top of the seat tube lug. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Seems like such a weird size if so. I guess I could always get a shim. http://aroadbike4u.com/product/2.6mm-shim-27.2-seatpost-to-29.8-sku-st0226-qc281.htm On 12/14/15, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: > Clems are 29.8. I would hazard a guess that the App would fall into this > size, but it is a guess based on zero info. > > On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:31:36 PM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote: >> >> Do any riv bikes not have 27.2 seatposts? That seems to be the >> standard size of the posts that riv sells. I tried to check the geo >> spreadsheet, but no data there. >> >> Speaking of upgrades... What tires are folks thinking about? Anybody >> planning on just wearing out the included kenda kwicks? Or anybody >> have experience with them? >> >> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Dave Johnston > > wrote: >> > Anybody know the seatpost size? 27.2? I've already started identifying >> > >> > upgrade parts from my stash. >> > >> > -Dave >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to [email protected] . >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> . >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lO4I5gr5-jU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Clems are 29.8. I would hazard a guess that the App would fall into this size, but it is a guess based on zero info. On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 8:31:36 PM UTC-5, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > Do any riv bikes not have 27.2 seatposts? That seems to be the > standard size of the posts that riv sells. I tried to check the geo > spreadsheet, but no data there. > > Speaking of upgrades... What tires are folks thinking about? Anybody > planning on just wearing out the included kenda kwicks? Or anybody > have experience with them? > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Dave Johnston > wrote: > > Anybody know the seatpost size? 27.2? I've already started identifying > > upgrade parts from my stash. > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Do any riv bikes not have 27.2 seatposts? That seems to be the standard size of the posts that riv sells. I tried to check the geo spreadsheet, but no data there. Speaking of upgrades... What tires are folks thinking about? Anybody planning on just wearing out the included kenda kwicks? Or anybody have experience with them? On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Dave Johnston wrote: > Anybody know the seatpost size? 27.2? I've already started identifying > upgrade parts from my stash. > > -Dave > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
It shouldn't be long until they have the JoeApp built up. I wonder if they will post pictures on the Blug right away or make us wait? Excited, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I pushed the button on the last day. I ordered one in mid Nov. then chickened out and canceled the order, but couldn't stand it so I finally did it for keeps. Over the past three months I think I've read everything on the Riv site. I liked the Atlantis, but think the Joe App will suit my needs. On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 5:06:10 AM UTC-6, William R. wrote: > > Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe > Apploosa that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was > featured in the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really > correspond to the final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I > think you could go test a Cheviot for long chain stay feel and a Sam for > size and they would give you a pretty good idea. > > Bill in Westchester, NY > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I just held the frame in my hands. I can't say anything about clearance for 60s. I will say that I'll certainly never run 60s, and that I'm not worried about clearance. So I'm probably no help -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Bill, Did you happen to get a feel for tire clearance, beyond what is obliquely visible from the latest photos? It looks like the 55 Big Ben fits ok, but might not provide room for fenders. Or would it? Is the rear triangle more gracious than the new fork crown? Do you think there's any chance a 60 could fit, with or without fenders - even if it doesn't satisfy the "legal" clearance requirement that manufactures have to state? I'm thinking about this bike yet again, but lack of ability to run a big tire could solve my decision dilemma quickly. I decided to speed up the build on my Clem and, unfortunately, it does appear that it is not going to be a good fit physically. A 58 Joe might be just enough smaller but, if it meant giving up fatter tires, I'd probably choose to compromise and just stick with what I have. On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 12:02:41 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Patrick > > I visited this morning and confirmed that the Butterscotch frame on the > BLUG is in fact a 55. It's still not built, but I held it. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Bill: That's good. Very good! Perhaps they are waiting for "standard build parts" before building it up, eh? On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Patrick > > I visited this morning and confirmed that the Butterscotch frame on the BLUG > is in fact a 55. It's still not built, but I held it. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:28:56 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: >> >> Thanks Bill! This is giving me the happy feels. I'm hoping it's built >> up and ready for a test ride next time I'm in the neighborhood. Maybe >> a very long test ride. :) >> >> chee-hoo!! >> >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> > >> > "I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were >> > able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a >> > 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. " >> > >> > I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the >> > chainstay >> > length and the wheel radius. It's close but I think that's a 55, >> > because >> > the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay >> > length. If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit >> > smaller >> > than the chainstay length. I could be wrong though with my imprecise >> > measuring. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
It did not strike me as greenish at all. Will called it butternut, which I think seemed right. On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Hey Bill, is it more orange-ish or green-ish? The recent photos look quite > different from the first full-frame pic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Hey Bill, is it more orange-ish or green-ish? The recent photos look quite different from the first full-frame pic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Patrick I visited this morning and confirmed that the Butterscotch frame on the BLUG is in fact a 55. It's still not built, but I held it. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:28:56 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > Thanks Bill! This is giving me the happy feels. I'm hoping it's built > up and ready for a test ride next time I'm in the neighborhood. Maybe > a very long test ride. :) > > chee-hoo!! > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay > wrote: > > > > "I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were > > able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a > > 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. " > > > > I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the > chainstay > > length and the wheel radius. It's close but I think that's a 55, > because > > the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay > > length. If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit > smaller > > than the chainstay length. I could be wrong though with my imprecise > > measuring. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Thanks Bill! This is giving me the happy feels. I'm hoping it's built up and ready for a test ride next time I'm in the neighborhood. Maybe a very long test ride. :) chee-hoo!! On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > "I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were > able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a > 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. " > > I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the chainstay > length and the wheel radius. It's close but I think that's a 55, because > the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay > length. If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit smaller > than the chainstay length. I could be wrong though with my imprecise > measuring. > > Bill > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
"I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. " I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the chainstay length and the wheel radius. It's close but I think that's a 55, because the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay length. If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit smaller than the chainstay length. I could be wrong though with my imprecise measuring. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
So is it orange-ish or green-ish? I liked the earlier looks-more-orange pic, but *love* this looks-more-green/yellow one. Either way, I need this bike! On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:23:20 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Let's make it happen! You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a frameset in > a heartbeat. You've got some price in mind. Let's figure how to sell the > parts you can't afford to keep around and get you on one. Somebody else > qualified their "in a heartbeat" with "if it was $700 like the Clem. If > that's your price, then the barrier isn't Rivendell, the barrier is your > price. If you're price is closer to $1600 or so, I bet we could do it. > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:21:42 PM UTC-8, drew wrote: >> >> Really beautiful. I'd buy a frame in a heartbeat. Not holding my breathe >> for that option though. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Let's make it happen! You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a frameset in a heartbeat. You've got some price in mind. Let's figure how to sell the parts you can't afford to keep around and get you on one. Somebody else qualified their "in a heartbeat" with "if it was $700 like the Clem. If that's your price, then the barrier isn't Rivendell, the barrier is your price. If you're price is closer to $1600 or so, I bet we could do it. On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:21:42 PM UTC-8, drew wrote: > > Really beautiful. I'd buy a frame in a heartbeat. Not holding my breathe > for that option though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Really beautiful. I'd buy a frame in a heartbeat. Not holding my breathe for that option though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
The "Butterscotch" sample in the Blug picture looks to be a dead ringer for the "orange" that my Clementine showed up wearing. just a guess, but maybe they worked the J App. Demo's into the paint line while they were painting Clems? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
The new pix on the blug of another proto-appaloosa are pretty exciting. :) I like the fork, and somehow I extra like the RBW on the side of the fork crown. I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/134881932154/dark-mustard-aka-butterscotch-sample-arrived On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William R. wrote: > Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe Apploosa > that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was featured > in the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really correspond to > the final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I think you could go > test a Cheviot for long chain stay feel and a Sam for size and they would > give you a pretty good idea. > > Bill in Westchester, NY > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Thanks, the crown is looking very very nice. Still, a shame that F&F won't be available for this model, at least for a very long time. - Andrew, Berkeley On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:50:51 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Dark Mustard / Butterscotch, it's all good. Now you can see the new crown > on full display on the BLUG. With the windows painted in, you can't tell > that they filled in that one cutout. > > And the pre-sale is back on... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Looks awesome! A full profile pic would have been nice. Maybe it's too long to fit into one photo? KJ On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 7:50:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Dark Mustard / Butterscotch, it's all good. Now you can see the new crown > on full display on the BLUG. With the windows painted in, you can't tell > that they filled in that one cutout. > > And the pre-sale is back on > > On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 9:47:59 AM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote: >> >> I love the color and couldn't be more excited. I expected blue so any >> shade of butterscotch is a huge plus to me (I would be happy with blue >> too!). Looks perfect to me. >> >> Chris >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Dark Mustard / Butterscotch, it's all good. Now you can see the new crown on full display on the BLUG. With the windows painted in, you can't tell that they filled in that one cutout. And the pre-sale is back on On Sunday, December 6, 2015 at 9:47:59 AM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote: > > I love the color and couldn't be more excited. I expected blue so any > shade of butterscotch is a huge plus to me (I would be happy with blue > too!). Looks perfect to me. > > Chris > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe Apploosa that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was featured in the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really correspond to the final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I think you could go test a Cheviot for long chain stay feel and a Sam for size and they would give you a pretty good idea. Bill in Westchester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Does anyone know, was a 62cm Joe frame built up, that could be taken for a test ride? That would be fun. But I'm still wrapping my head around the decision to block frame & fork sales. Just don't get it... - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I love the color and couldn't be more excited. I expected blue so any shade of butterscotch is a huge plus to me (I would be happy with blue too!). Looks perfect to me. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Three sets of water bottle mounts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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That photo and the knowledge that there will be another with that new fork crown is making me gnaw my fingers apart trying not to buy one. Goodness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
...and now the Butterscotch Joe is visible on the BLUG. Now it is confirmed that the headtube is cream. WINNER. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 9:30:13 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Mercy. I'm crazy about the butterscotch Saluki, but I've never seen one in > my size up for sale. I need a butterscotch Joe (for Joe), now I just have > to find a way to pay for it. Oy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
AFAIK there is a single set in existence on the proto-joe appaloosa at rivbike HQ. (I suppose there are probably others.) It's a new bar designed by riv and coming with the new Joe Appaloosa (complete) bike. The name is revealed in a gif on the tumblr post. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/132103060824 http://36.media.tumblr.com/25eef5014454c97ccb7b1be7f526f334/tumblr_nwy5tsXN3B1qe3ngpo2_500.png I think there is an assumption that *after* the bikes go out, there might be a way to buy the bar individually. But that may be a while... On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:54 AM, R Michaels wrote: > I'm fairly new to this but have been unable to find the Choco-stache bars > you are referring to. Where can I find them? > R. > > On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:43:28 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote: >> >> Those are Choco-staches, if you ask me. Just a further iteration on the >> 'stache bars. And nothing wrong with that, at all. I bet they would be comfy >> with road levers up at the curves, and/or some interruptors close in to the >> center. >> >> Still on Joe, were frame specs ever posted up? I'm wondering what the >> chainstay length is, and the wheelbase on a 62cm frame. Thanks! Just >> curious, as I've been riding my QuickBeam with 45.5 cm from center of BB to >> center of rear axle, and it rides superbly. >> >> - Andrew, Berkeley >> >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:08:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: >>> >>> I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially >>> a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch >>> of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All >>> uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting >>> the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the >>> grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant. >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745 >>> >>> I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I >>> wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at >>> the shop. Duh. >>> >>> cheerios >>> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Mercy. I'm crazy about the butterscotch Saluki, but I've never seen one in my size up for sale. I need a butterscotch Joe (for Joe), now I just have to find a way to pay for it. Oy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Personally, I wish the Albastache bars had been made available with a mtb lever compatibility option (like an Albatross). I've long wished the Alba's had less rise. The shapes are similar ... but a 'stache that takes an mtb lever would provide an option with half the rise (or drop if you chose to flip it). That's kind of what the Choco-whatever looks like ... and kind of what the VO Porteur looks like (they're all within a few mm's either way). But the VO's don't take mtb levers and bar-ends and the Albatross's are a 5mm rise ... So that Choco-thing looks better and better all the time -- but I don't recall anyone specifically confirming that it will take a bar-end shifter pod, yet. On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 6:51:47 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: > > Somewhere in my digital photo morass there's a photo of albatross bars set > up with the bar end style reverse levers and interrupters. I hated it. > Thinking back on it, it wasn't the reverse levers that bugged me, it was > how the interrupters sat on the curves. Tektro needs to make a drop bar > style lever with a mountain sized clamp that can interrupt the brake line > cleanly. Which reminds me of the workaround I had on mind, of using the > fancy, can't remember the brand name but it was bought by a company in > England, cable puller designed for triathlete aero bars. The one that two > brake levers fed into one brake line. Most of you will remember exactly > what I'm talking about so help me out... what is it? Anyways, that could > be used to make a nice and tidy double braked wonderbar out of this > choco/alba/mustache/megamoose > -Kai > Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Do we know the crank lengths on the forthcoming Appaloosas? Is it possible they'll be slightly longer, and that's what's bringing the BB up a few millimeters - frame designed with longer cranks in mind? -James On Nov 22, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Keith > > I went ahead and drew a 50cm Rambouillet, with a 46 Appaloosa and a 51 > Appaloosa on top of it. The three drawings all have ground zero at the > center of the BB. I can send you pictures, but photos of pencil on white > paper don't show up all that well. At any rate, I can tell you standover > height now. > > With identical 310mm radius tires (26x1.25), the standover of the 46 > Appaloosa is about 3cm lower at the back of the top tube. At the front of > the top tube, the 46 Appaloosa is about 1.2cm lower. At the middle of the > top tube, the Appaloosa is about 2.1cm lower. > > If you put 25mm larger tires on the 46 Appaloosa, then at the back of the top > tube, the 46 Appaloosa would still be about 5mm lower. At the front of the > TT, the Appaloosa would be about 1.3cm higher than the Ram. At the middle of > the top tube, the 46cm Appaloosa would be about 4mm higher. > > The insertion point for the handlebars also differ somewhat. The insertion > point for the handlebar stem on the Appaloosa is about 2.4cm farther away, > and about 1.2cm lower, relative to the Ram. So, if your handlebars have a > lot more rise and also have a lot more sweep back (like the choco-moose bars) > then the rider will still be significantly more upright on the bike than on > the Ram. You would almost certainly not run drop bars on the 46 Appaloosa. > It's too low and too far away. The bike is ideal for swept back handlebars. > > I didn't finish the 51 Appaloosa because it's quite a bit bigger. It will be > about 5cm taller everywhere along its Top Tube than the 46 will be. So, if > your wife has more than 2" of standover clearance, and is willing to > sacrifice a full 2", then consider the 51. I haven't seen her Ram setup, but > it sounds to me like the 51 will be quite a bit too big. The 46 will have a > full 35mm MORE seatpost showing than the Ram does, which you've said bums you > out. > > Bill > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 2:08:36 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I guess I would start off with stating the obvious that small bikes with > large tires are incredibly difficult to design and fit. That's a fact. But > I'm not suggesting anything about which size Appaloosa you should buy your > wife. I only wanted to bottom out on what about the BB drop had thrown you > for a loop. It sounds like it would be useful to draw your four bikes all on > top of each other on a big piece of paper. > > 1. Rambouillet > 2. XO-1 > 3. 46 Appa > 4. 51 Appa > > Grant did a great step by step frame drawing exercise on the predecessor of > the BLUG. Maybe somebody has it archived. That would be a great exercise > for you to walk through, possibly. Otherwise, if you are eager to buy an > Appaloosa on the pre-sale, then at least talk it over with Riv. Let me know > if you want help drawing your bikes. > > Bill > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: > I guess I get that explanation. And that would probably suggest that the 46 > might be the best choice. The on-the-bike fit would feel familiar, even > though the seatpost would be extended a lot further than I currently perceive > as "correct," and she'd be higher in the air (the whole point of doing this > would be specifically to get her on significantly fatter tires, so she can > carry more and ride more comfortably on rougher roads), and there would also > be way more standover clearance than she needs. Hopefully, the sloped top > tube would yield a higher headtube than the 50 Ram, so that her stem could > even extend a little less. The 51, on the other hand, might not give her > enough standover clearance. Since there are (intentionally?) no standover > heights listed, its hard to know for sure. You guys who can test-ride are > fortunate. > > I guess, now that you point out the error of my thinking, what I'm really > still having trouble with is trying to relate the new limited/expanded sizing > system to the old system that had more increments and, in this case, looking > incorrectly to the bottom bracket drop and standover height for explanations > as to why they fit so differently. That's been hard enough to understand > even for me, but even harder trying to speculate on her behalf since she > doesn't think about this stuff enough to be able to articulate what works and > what doesn't. > > I've long felt like I had a good handle on what her next Rivendell would be, > based on this current bike that fits fairly well, combined with the thought > that I could ratchet it UP one more small increment. But I probably just > need to let go of those preconceptions. Not unli
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
http://problemsolversbike.com/products/cable_doubler There's a two to one and a one to two. This isn't the one I was looking at but that one was expensive and unavailable, this one's probably cheap and available. Problem solved... -Kai Brooklyn NY On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 6:51:47 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: > > Somewhere in my digital photo morass there's a photo of albatross bars set > up with the bar end style reverse levers and interrupters. I hated it. > Thinking back on it, it wasn't the reverse levers that bugged me, it was > how the interrupters sat on the curves. Tektro needs to make a drop bar > style lever with a mountain sized clamp that can interrupt the brake line > cleanly. Which reminds me of the workaround I had on mind, of using the > fancy, can't remember the brand name but it was bought by a company in > England, cable puller designed for triathlete aero bars. The one that two > brake levers fed into one brake line. Most of you will remember exactly > what I'm talking about so help me out... what is it? Anyways, that could > be used to make a nice and tidy double braked wonderbar out of this > choco/alba/mustache/megamoose > -Kai > Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Somewhere in my digital photo morass there's a photo of albatross bars set up with the bar end style reverse levers and interrupters. I hated it. Thinking back on it, it wasn't the reverse levers that bugged me, it was how the interrupters sat on the curves. Tektro needs to make a drop bar style lever with a mountain sized clamp that can interrupt the brake line cleanly. Which reminds me of the workaround I had on mind, of using the fancy, can't remember the brand name but it was bought by a company in England, cable puller designed for triathlete aero bars. The one that two brake levers fed into one brake line. Most of you will remember exactly what I'm talking about so help me out... what is it? Anyways, that could be used to make a nice and tidy double braked wonderbar out of this choco/alba/mustache/megamoose -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 10:05:44 AM UTC-7, R Michaels wrote: > > I'm fairly new to this but have been unable to find the Choco-stache bars > you are referring to. Where can I find them? > R. > >> >>> As far as I know, the 'new' Joe Appaloosa prototype, and the photos circulating of it here and from Riv, are the only place you'll currently find it. Unless I missed something, they even managed to keep this secret up until the Blug pre-sale announcement. Many of us are hoping that they'll be available separately some day, but I doubt that will be before the complete bikes arrive. Total speculation here, but I also assume that the separate ones will be fillet brazed with the Nitto dull-brite finish, while the complete ones will be tig welded - much like the difference between the regular and Clem boscos. I'm HOPING that there will be alternative widths, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I'm fairly new to this but have been unable to find the Choco-stache bars you are referring to. Where can I find them? R. On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:43:28 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote: > > Those are Choco-staches, if you ask me. Just a further iteration on the > 'stache bars. And nothing wrong with that, at all. I bet they would be > comfy with road levers up at the curves, and/or some interruptors close in > to the center. > > Still on Joe, were frame specs ever posted up? I'm wondering what the > chainstay length is, and the wheelbase on a 62cm frame. Thanks! Just > curious, as I've been riding my QuickBeam with 45.5 cm from center of BB to > center of rear axle, and it rides superbly. > > - Andrew, Berkeley > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:08:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: >> >> I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially >> a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch >> of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All >> uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting >> the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the >> grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745 >> >> I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I >> wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at >> the shop. Duh. >> >> cheerios >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
The Tektros come only in 23.8 diameter. The Dia-Compes come in both 23.8 and 22.2 (trad MTB). But the Dia-Compes won't pull enough cable for V-brakes (if that's what you're contemplating on your Joe App). Paul used to make an inverse lever that would pull enough for V-brakes, which you might find somewhere, but my recollection is that they were 23.8mm. So maybe the inverse levers wouldn't work. From: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL) Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:40 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe? Inverse levers should work. VO currently has Tektro modern-looking ones: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/tektro-rx4-1-silver-inverse-brake-levers.html They also have more vintage looking Dia-Compe versions, here: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/dia-compe-inverse-brake-levers-22-2.html From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Gavin Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:47 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe? Kai- I was thinking about that as I chopped that picture together (where would the cable housings go?). You're correct that MTB levers leave the cable about an inch from the bar. I've never seen a flat-bar lever that has the cable exit along the bar. In order to use interrupters with MTB levers, it looks like you'd have to leave the cable housing exposed, and try to keep it offset from the grip area. Perhaps a spacer/standoff near the interrupter levers? Tim On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Kainalu mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: About mountain style levers and interrupters, is there such a thing as an "aero" mountain brake lever, specifically one where the housing run goes under the bar tape? I've looked, and they don't appear to exist. I think the albastache looks like a great bar, and these ones even better (especially since they take a mountain lever, which I prefer), but with the albastache I'm left wondering if I could reconfigure it to use the mountain levers on the back end of the sweep and also have that forward mounted lever like everyone seems to love on theirs. It just seems that the brake cables would be problematic between the two levers, in the sense that they'd be in the way of otherwise comfy fingers. -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Inverse levers should work. VO currently has Tektro modern-looking ones: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/tektro-rx4-1-silver-inverse-brake-levers.html They also have more vintage looking Dia-Compe versions, here: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/dia-compe-inverse-brake-levers-22-2.html From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Gavin Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe? Kai- I was thinking about that as I chopped that picture together (where would the cable housings go?). You're correct that MTB levers leave the cable about an inch from the bar. I've never seen a flat-bar lever that has the cable exit along the bar. In order to use interrupters with MTB levers, it looks like you'd have to leave the cable housing exposed, and try to keep it offset from the grip area. Perhaps a spacer/standoff near the interrupter levers? Tim On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Kainalu mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: About mountain style levers and interrupters, is there such a thing as an "aero" mountain brake lever, specifically one where the housing run goes under the bar tape? I've looked, and they don't appear to exist. I think the albastache looks like a great bar, and these ones even better (especially since they take a mountain lever, which I prefer), but with the albastache I'm left wondering if I could reconfigure it to use the mountain levers on the back end of the sweep and also have that forward mounted lever like everyone seems to love on theirs. It just seems that the brake cables would be problematic between the two levers, in the sense that they'd be in the way of otherwise comfy fingers. -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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You COULD use the bar-end "aero" brake levers like this: http://www.jensonusa.com/!1S-OnkIcQoZUhqOqYmFDTw!/Tektro-RX-41-Reverse-Brake-Levers?utm_source=FRGL&utm_medium=organic&gclid=Cj0KEQiAj8uyBRDawI3XhYqOy4gBEiQAl8BJbWK15LEHPFsxh4qEak1Upkb3EOetXzHeyCVProE1jAIaAj9v8P8HAQ but they ain't mountain levers. Best, Eric Indpls > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Kai- I was thinking about that as I chopped that picture together (where would the cable housings go?). You're correct that MTB levers leave the cable about an inch from the bar. I've never seen a flat-bar lever that has the cable exit along the bar. In order to use interrupters with MTB levers, it looks like you'd have to leave the cable housing exposed, and try to keep it offset from the grip area. Perhaps a spacer/standoff near the interrupter levers? Tim On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Kainalu wrote: > About mountain style levers and interrupters, is there such a thing as an > "aero" mountain brake lever, specifically one where the housing run goes > under the bar tape? I've looked, and they don't appear to exist. I think > the albastache looks like a great bar, and these ones even better > (especially since they take a mountain lever, which I prefer), but with the > albastache I'm left wondering if I could reconfigure it to use the mountain > levers on the back end of the sweep and also have that forward mounted > lever like everyone seems to love on theirs. It just seems that the brake > cables would be problematic between the two levers, in the sense that > they'd be in the way of otherwise comfy fingers. > -Kai > Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
About mountain style levers and interrupters, is there such a thing as an "aero" mountain brake lever, specifically one where the housing run goes under the bar tape? I've looked, and they don't appear to exist. I think the albastache looks like a great bar, and these ones even better (especially since they take a mountain lever, which I prefer), but with the albastache I'm left wondering if I could reconfigure it to use the mountain levers on the back end of the sweep and also have that forward mounted lever like everyone seems to love on theirs. It just seems that the brake cables would be problematic between the two levers, in the sense that they'd be in the way of otherwise comfy fingers. -Kai Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Andrew There is a geo chart on the BLUG. Is your Quickbeam a 62? If so, you'll probably want to look at the 58 Appaloosa. If your Quickbeam is a 66, then the 62 Appaloosa is probably your thing. If your QB is in-between (64?) then you might beum...in-between. At any rate, both will have tremendously long chainstays. The 58 will have 53cm chainstays. The 62 will have 53.5cm chainstays. On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:43:28 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote: > > Those are Choco-staches, if you ask me. Just a further iteration on the > 'stache bars. And nothing wrong with that, at all. I bet they would be > comfy with road levers up at the curves, and/or some interruptors close in > to the center. > > Still on Joe, were frame specs ever posted up? I'm wondering what the > chainstay length is, and the wheelbase on a 62cm frame. Thanks! Just > curious, as I've been riding my QuickBeam with 45.5 cm from center of BB to > center of rear axle, and it rides superbly. > > - Andrew, Berkeley > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:08:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: >> >> I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially >> a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch >> of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All >> uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting >> the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the >> grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745 >> >> I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I >> wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at >> the shop. Duh. >> >> cheerios >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Those are Choco-staches, if you ask me. Just a further iteration on the 'stache bars. And nothing wrong with that, at all. I bet they would be comfy with road levers up at the curves, and/or some interruptors close in to the center. Still on Joe, were frame specs ever posted up? I'm wondering what the chainstay length is, and the wheelbase on a 62cm frame. Thanks! Just curious, as I've been riding my QuickBeam with 45.5 cm from center of BB to center of rear axle, and it rides superbly. - Andrew, Berkeley On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:08:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially > a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch > of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All > uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting > the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the > grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745 > > I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I > wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at > the shop. Duh. > > cheerios > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks for posting these pics Patrick. This is the best look at the Choco Moose bar yet. It looks like Grant put a lot of thought into providing a really comfortable pocket grip area forward of the levers. I will echo the sentiment that I am looking more and more forward to getting my hands on this bar and the whole bike! In the mean time I'm getting ready to head out on any early morning ride on my Soma GR which I am using as a test bed for tires for the Joe Appaloosa. As much as I can at least. Last night I swapped out the Switchback Hills for 50mm wide Schwalbe Big Bens. Trying to decide if Marathon Almotions that come 55mm width will be candidates for the Joe. Bill in drizzly but clearing Westchester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Patrick, nice work on the HB pics -- now I really can't wait to get my hands on one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant. https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745 I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at the shop. Duh. cheerios On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > I guess I would start off with stating the obvious that small bikes with > large tires are incredibly difficult to design and fit. That's a fact. But > I'm not suggesting anything about which size Appaloosa you should buy your > wife. I only wanted to bottom out on what about the BB drop had thrown you > for a loop. It sounds like it would be useful to draw your four bikes all > on top of each other on a big piece of paper. > > 1. Rambouillet > 2. XO-1 > 3. 46 Appa > 4. 51 Appa > > Grant did a great step by step frame drawing exercise on the predecessor of > the BLUG. Maybe somebody has it archived. That would be a great exercise > for you to walk through, possibly. Otherwise, if you are eager to buy an > Appaloosa on the pre-sale, then at least talk it over with Riv. Let me know > if you want help drawing your bikes. > > Bill > > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: >> >> I guess I get that explanation. And that would probably suggest that the >> 46 might be the best choice. The on-the-bike fit would feel familiar, even >> though the seatpost would be extended a lot further than I currently >> perceive as "correct," and she'd be higher in the air (the whole point of >> doing this would be specifically to get her on significantly fatter tires, >> so she can carry more and ride more comfortably on rougher roads), and there >> would also be way more standover clearance than she needs. Hopefully, the >> sloped top tube would yield a higher headtube than the 50 Ram, so that her >> stem could even extend a little less. The 51, on the other hand, might not >> give her enough standover clearance. Since there are (intentionally?) no >> standover heights listed, its hard to know for sure. You guys who can >> test-ride are fortunate. >> >> I guess, now that you point out the error of my thinking, what I'm really >> still having trouble with is trying to relate the new limited/expanded >> sizing system to the old system that had more increments and, in this case, >> looking incorrectly to the bottom bracket drop and standover height for >> explanations as to why they fit so differently. That's been hard enough to >> understand even for me, but even harder trying to speculate on her behalf >> since she doesn't think about this stuff enough to be able to articulate >> what works and what doesn't. >> >> I've long felt like I had a good handle on what her next Rivendell would >> be, based on this current bike that fits fairly well, combined with the >> thought that I could ratchet it UP one more small increment. But I >> probably just need to let go of those preconceptions. Not unlike my old WTB >> phoenix which, numerically, is 3" or more smaller than would fit me on any >> other bike of the era but actually works great, maybe the way to properly >> size a Rivendell nowadays is NOT to get the biggest frame you can straddle. >> >> >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 10:42:49 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> OK, so since your small roadish 559 wheeled Rambouillet has 55mm of drop, >>> then all other Rivendells with 559 wheels throw you for a loop, because all >>> of those bikes take wider tires and all of them have 55-57mm of drop? I'm >>> with Grant that fit is about how your body fits in relation to the bike when >>> you are riding. BB drop effects how my body fits in relation to the bike. >>> BB drop is about fit. Tire size changes standover, to be sure, but tire >>> size does not affect fit, in my opinion. BB height is about clearances: >>> your pedals striking the ground, and your crotch to the top tube. These are >>> clearance issues, not fit issues, in my opinion. >>> >>> I know about the "on the bike" vs "in the bike" feel. That handling feel >>> is about how the rider's body is positioned relative to the bike while >>> riding, in my opinion. It is not about how your center of mass is >>> positioned above the ground, in my opinion. Jan Heine and Grant are the two >>> who folks on this group tend to respect the most. Jan thinks BB height and >>> BB drop don't matter at all. Grant thinks BB drop should be as low as >>> practically possible for the minimum tire width, and that you shouldn't get >>> too hung up about standover. >>> >>> More directly to the point. Have you ever
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
But if you had done, she'd have only a half inch of standover clearance and would have 1 cm longer of a top tube. For some, that simply wouldn't work. On 11/20/2015 11:27 PM, iamkeith wrote: My wife's rambouillet is a 50. She thinks it fits fine but, if I could do it again, I'd put her on a 52. (Her stem is extended really high, she has more than a fistfull of seatpost, and has at least an inch and a half of standover clearance. Judging from standover alone, I'm working from the goal of putting her on the biggest frame possible. Even with 2 1/4" tires, the 46 Appaloosa would probably still feel smaller than the 50 rambouillet with 1 1/4" tires, right? The 51 Appaloosa would probably fit just perfect with 1 1/4" tires, but could be too big with 2 1/4" tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Always hard to judge this stuff on a computer monitor, but the butterscotch Salukis look a lot more orange than the sample on the blug at the moment (which I prefer. But I am out of the market after the Clementine arrives. Because less is more. Less is more.) As far as buying just frames, it looks like the company is going in the opposite direction, with Sams available as completes only in spring, and possibly the same for Cheviots in Dec. '16. On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 11:03:24 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote: > > Here are a couple of examples in the cyclofiend gallery. Or just do a > google search for "butterscotch saluki": > > http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc265-frankfulton0307.html > http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc681-johnferguson0909.html > > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 8:54:21 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: >> >> the 4" of the butterscotch doesn't look very good in the picture. Does >> it look better in person or as a whole bike? anybody have an example >> picture? I would prefer that Proto silver myself. >> >> -Dave >> >> On 11/20/15, Philip Kim wrote: >> > when they said blue like our sam, i was not into it. butterscotch is >> nice, >> > but even the sky blue is a nice color. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> > >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lO4I5gr5-jU/unsubscribe. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> > [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Here are a couple of examples in the cyclofiend gallery. Or just do a google search for "butterscotch saluki": http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc265-frankfulton0307.html http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc681-johnferguson0909.html On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 8:54:21 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > the 4" of the butterscotch doesn't look very good in the picture. Does > it look better in person or as a whole bike? anybody have an example > picture? I would prefer that Proto silver myself. > > -Dave > > On 11/20/15, Philip Kim > wrote: > > when they said blue like our sam, i was not into it. butterscotch is > nice, > > but even the sky blue is a nice color. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lO4I5gr5-jU/unsubscribe. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > > [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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the 4" of the butterscotch doesn't look very good in the picture. Does it look better in person or as a whole bike? anybody have an example picture? I would prefer that Proto silver myself. -Dave On 11/20/15, Philip Kim wrote: > when they said blue like our sam, i was not into it. butterscotch is nice, > but even the sky blue is a nice color. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lO4I5gr5-jU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Hmmm just my size, might have to drop by. Maybe a little ride will change my mind. On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 6:25:45 PM UTC-8, Patrick Kelly wrote: > > I made it to riv HQ yesterday, and I did see the prototype. It's a 52. > > I was there to double check my size. I got a new PBH measurement of 86 > instead of 87. I suspect I rounded up last time. I stood over a size > 58 hillborne, and while it's theoretically possible for me, I'm > convinced it's too big for me. My original order of a 55 was correct. > > The most entertaining part of the day was chatting with Grant about > the prototype. Apparently he was thinking it was a size 55 because > somebody else (don't remember who) that would normally ride a size 55 > (same as Grant) had been riding it around a lot. Grant had been > puzzled because he felt that when he rode it, it was too small. After > measuring it and checking the actual size (to answer my "that's a size > 52, right?" question), it all came clear to him that it was in fact > too small for him, because it's actually a size 52, and not a 55. > > I rode an atlantis, the 1x9 hunqapillar, a clem and a large cheviot > (the medium was over at BBH). I spent most of my ride time on the 55 > sam hillborne with albatross bars. I'm not one to notice subtleties of > bicycle behavior, so I cannot really say anything about any of them vs > the others. They all ride like bikes to me. :) I can confirm that I > still don't like drop bars (mostly because of the brakes) and that I > was less excited about the bullmoose bar than I thought I would be. > Riding with the albatross bars, I'm thinking that I may actually be > very happy with the new bar on the joe appaloosa. If not, I'll > probably figure out how to put my jones h-bar on it, instead. > > I was hoping to get more/better photos of the new bar, but Grant took > it out for a long ride. The shape of the new bar is a bit more > complicated than is obvious in the photos posted so far, and yes, it > has a slight drop. It looks really good to me. I was hoping to take it > for a short ride, even though it's the wrong size, just to check out > the bars, but that didn't happen. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, David Banzer > wrote: > > I thought the bar looked like it had a little forward bend, and a slight > > drop. Does that seem right? Makes me think it was part of Grant's > > experimentation with a flipped Albatross bar over the summer, as seen in > > this Blug post: > > > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/125363801684/fun-wfriction-and-scroll-down-one-post-for-the > > > David > > Chicago > > > > > > On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 12:03:27 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: > >> > >> Sorry for the slow response, but I was out riding most of the day Sat. > and > >> recovering the rest of it. I did make it up to RBW WHQ friday, but I > didn't > >> ride the Joe so not much to report. It looked very nice and quite Sam H > like > >> to me, except for the canti-post brakes. Of course it doesn't have the > new > >> fork crown, and I think the stays on the production frames will be > longer > >> so... The bars seem very cool. They bend foreword a bit before sweeping > back > >> which I had not picked up from the pictures. > >> I hope you were able to go yourself on Sat. > >> > >> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:53:17 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > >>> > >>> Ted, > >>> > >>> Did you make it up to Riv HQ to try the Joe? Anything to report? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:21:39 AM UTC-8, ted wrote: > > Thinking of heading up there today myself. Given the blug and presale > photos I assume they have at least one prototype JA there, though I > don't > think the prototypes have the fork crown and long chainstays that the > production ones will have. > > On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if they have JA prototypes at HQ? Was thinking > about > > heading up there to check it out. > > > > John > > > > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:42:09 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray > > wrote: > >> > >> Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a > great > >> bike. The pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger > and order > >> one? I am guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!! > >> > >> I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Chris > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I made it to riv HQ yesterday, and I did see the prototype. It's a 52. I was there to double check my size. I got a new PBH measurement of 86 instead of 87. I suspect I rounded up last time. I stood over a size 58 hillborne, and while it's theoretically possible for me, I'm convinced it's too big for me. My original order of a 55 was correct. The most entertaining part of the day was chatting with Grant about the prototype. Apparently he was thinking it was a size 55 because somebody else (don't remember who) that would normally ride a size 55 (same as Grant) had been riding it around a lot. Grant had been puzzled because he felt that when he rode it, it was too small. After measuring it and checking the actual size (to answer my "that's a size 52, right?" question), it all came clear to him that it was in fact too small for him, because it's actually a size 52, and not a 55. I rode an atlantis, the 1x9 hunqapillar, a clem and a large cheviot (the medium was over at BBH). I spent most of my ride time on the 55 sam hillborne with albatross bars. I'm not one to notice subtleties of bicycle behavior, so I cannot really say anything about any of them vs the others. They all ride like bikes to me. :) I can confirm that I still don't like drop bars (mostly because of the brakes) and that I was less excited about the bullmoose bar than I thought I would be. Riding with the albatross bars, I'm thinking that I may actually be very happy with the new bar on the joe appaloosa. If not, I'll probably figure out how to put my jones h-bar on it, instead. I was hoping to get more/better photos of the new bar, but Grant took it out for a long ride. The shape of the new bar is a bit more complicated than is obvious in the photos posted so far, and yes, it has a slight drop. It looks really good to me. I was hoping to take it for a short ride, even though it's the wrong size, just to check out the bars, but that didn't happen. On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, David Banzer wrote: > I thought the bar looked like it had a little forward bend, and a slight > drop. Does that seem right? Makes me think it was part of Grant's > experimentation with a flipped Albatross bar over the summer, as seen in > this Blug post: > http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/125363801684/fun-wfriction-and-scroll-down-one-post-for-the > David > Chicago > > > On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 12:03:27 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: >> >> Sorry for the slow response, but I was out riding most of the day Sat. and >> recovering the rest of it. I did make it up to RBW WHQ friday, but I didn't >> ride the Joe so not much to report. It looked very nice and quite Sam H like >> to me, except for the canti-post brakes. Of course it doesn't have the new >> fork crown, and I think the stays on the production frames will be longer >> so... The bars seem very cool. They bend foreword a bit before sweeping back >> which I had not picked up from the pictures. >> I hope you were able to go yourself on Sat. >> >> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:53:17 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: >>> >>> Ted, >>> >>> Did you make it up to Riv HQ to try the Joe? Anything to report? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:21:39 AM UTC-8, ted wrote: Thinking of heading up there today myself. Given the blug and presale photos I assume they have at least one prototype JA there, though I don't think the prototypes have the fork crown and long chainstays that the production ones will have. On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 8:09:39 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > > Does anyone know if they have JA prototypes at HQ? Was thinking about > heading up there to check it out. > > John > > On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:42:09 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray > wrote: >> >> Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a great >> bike. The pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger and >> order >> one? I am guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!! >> >> I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one. >> >> Cheers! >> Chris > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more opti
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I'm planning to go by riv HQ and try out diff sizes, recheck my PBH and make sure I've got it right. I'm one who's currently ordered a 55 but thinking maybe I should be on 58. I did exchange emails with Brian @ riv, and that sort of reassured me that I probably have the right choice. Either way, I expect an in-person consult will settle things. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:44 AM, William R. wrote: > Ok... so after a week or so of thinking it over, measuring myself and > measuring again. Realizing I'm really an 88 pbh. Fretting over choosing a 55 > and knowing that I really want a Riv designed by Grant to ride like a Riv. > On many surfaces, many distances, many different kinds of loads and lack of. > After all those thoughts I got in touch with Grant and he confirmed what I > was thinking (and I confirmed that previously I wasn't thinking!) that the > 58 Appaloosa will be the right size for me. Dave changed my order and I'm > now getting a 58 Appaloosa! Sorry to the group for stating my case with such > conviction and then changing my mind. I hope I didn't cause anyone to make > similar sizing decisions. Good news is there seems to be a little time to > change minds! > > Bill in Westchester, NY > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
But the Production Crown does have a center bolt hole that could be used for fender mounting and maybe a 32F rack if the clearances of the V brake straddle work out just right. I think the 32F is more elegant than the Marks rack, and has fewer bolts to get loose. -Dave On 11/5/15, David Banzer wrote: > The prototype - as seen with a 32F rack - does not have the production fork > > crown. The production fork crown for the Appaloosa will have mounts on top > of the fork crown. > David > Chicago > > On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:48:58 AM UTC-6, BSWP wrote: >> >> The fork crown has no bolts. There are some threaded holes which could >> accept bolts, to aid in the securing of a front rack, or other things one >> >> might dream up that need fixing to the crown. >> >> - Andrew, Berkeley >> >> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 3:02:07 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote: >>> >>> This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are >>> >>> they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there >>> >>> for a reason and I can't think what else it would be >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/lO4I5gr5-jU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
I'm not a fan of red bikes, but I would prefer orange. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?
Dark red is what it needs to be.-Original Message- From: Robert Bolesta Sent: Oct 31, 2015 1:46 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe? I've been interested in the Joe since they posted those two prototypes. But, I'd rather build it up myself, and, bummer about the color! Why not that beautiful dark red like the proto? I'm really into the Joe, though. I've been dying to own a bike that can take 50s + fenders, and that has lots of eyelets, etc!On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 4:29:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:Yep, I'm the opposite. I'm usually willing to pay whatever things cost, and don't need another Rivendell, but those handlebars are the draw all on their own. The fact that a kickass bike comes attached to those irresistible handlebars is gravy. On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 12:18:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:I'm always tempted by a deal and I've been eyeing a riv. But not digging those handlebars.On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 3:42:09 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:Looking over the Joe Appaloosa on the Blug and it looks like a great bike. The pre-order price is a great deal. Anyone pull the trigger and order one? I am guessing they won't last long- only 4 55cms left!!!I missed the Clem but am thinking seriously about this one.Cheers!Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
