Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-10 Thread Garth
How about the Schwalbe Marathon Racer ? ... comes in 26x1.5 and folding/non 
folding beads. Amazon sells both. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-09 Thread cyclotourist
Big news in the 559 world:  Compass Bikes (Bicycle Quarterly) is coming out
with a high quality/low rolling resistance tire in 42mm width:
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/compass-tires-in-26-x-1-75/

26" is the new 650B!!!

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, EricP  wrote:

> Add me to the list of those who like them.  Only reason don't have a
> pair on a bike right now is some mysterious flatting where I can't
> find what is the cause.  Time to get out a cotton ball and see if that
> works.
>
> Personally I don't ride supple tires and or light wheels. So am the
> wrong person to give opinions about it.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 16:37 -0400, Steven Frederick wrote:
> > > I've been running  non-TG Paselas 26X1.75" tires on my XO this year.
> > > They're pretty plush and fast.  Maybe not quite Hetres but nearly as
> > > big and nearly as nice...cheap, too!
> >
> > It's a funny thing about those Paselas - some love them (and you can
> > include me in that group) but some loathe, hate and despise them with a
> > passion.  Performance seems to be highly variable, and I'm not at all
> > sure for what reason.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 16:37 -0400, Steven Frederick wrote:
> I've been running  non-TG Paselas 26X1.75" tires on my XO this year.
> They're pretty plush and fast.  Maybe not quite Hetres but nearly as
> big and nearly as nice...cheap, too!

It's a funny thing about those Paselas - some love them (and you can
include me in that group) but some loathe, hate and despise them with a
passion.  Performance seems to be highly variable, and I'm not at all
sure for what reason.



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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-07 Thread Steven Frederick
I've been running  non-TG Paselas 26X1.75" tires on my XO this year.
They're pretty plush and fast.  Maybe not quite Hetres but nearly as big and
nearly as nice...cheap, too!

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> I think a wide (>40mm) plush, low rolling resistance and durable tire is
> the thing that's hugely missing from the 559 tire size!  There should be a
> 26" Hetre!!!  Instead of doing 650B conversions on 700C bikes, getting
> plush-tire conversion for 26" mountain bikes should be all the rage!  I bet
> more people have a MTB from the 90's hanging in their garage than a
> skinny-tired 700C bike!
>
> Rant for the day.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Garth; will have to keep those in mind. I don't mind heavy
>> wheels, but I do mind -- greatly -- sluggish tires, and there are
>> definite differences.
>>
>> FWIW, list, I have a pair of almost unused Specialized Hemisphere 38s
>> for sale Cheap! because the puncture resistant belt, well, you know
>>  Make offers!
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Garth  wrote:
>> >  I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela
>> tires...if you want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The
>> Metro K's are. They're great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some
>> cushion as long as you're at 70-75psi.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Some time ago I found an old CyclePro mountain bike, from the early
'80s, at GW for a good price and bought it. It was shod with some 45
mm slicks. I rode it through, literally, a garden of goathead thorns
and came back with scores, if not hundreds, of goatheads in the tires
but, thanks to the belted tires plus "thorn proof" tubes, not a minim
of air lost. But I have never, ever in my life ridden tires at once so
wooden and so molasses-like: if those were the only bicycle tires and
tubes available, I kid you not, I would give up cycling. Similar
experience with Mr Tuffys in 559X32 Paselas. Give me flats any day.

OTOH, the 22 mm (actual, on skinny rims) old stock so-called 26X1
Specialized Turbos I just rode 21 miles on are fast and surprisingly
cushy over small amplitude, high frequency bumps -- something I
noticed years ago comparing them to Fatboys (tho' the latter were
always overinflated). And these skinnies flat less than the mentioned
Paselas -- beats me why.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Garth  wrote:
> I'm with you again on wheels Patrick, I don't mind heavy wheels  my 2
> current sets are 36H Phil FW hubs with Mavic T520/A719 rims  they're
> 25mm wide and built superbly by Joe Young. I'll pay top dollar for wheels
> that never need to be touched after they're built. . .  .and that usually
> means a dedicated professional who only builds wheels.
>
> Speaking of sluggish  Performance also sells the 700x35mm Gotham tire
> ... aka a rebranded Panaracer Crosstown. Oh my  I never rode such a slug
> of a tire since my 3 speed days as a teen!
>
> Continentals seems to have a rep for sidewalls cracking  and from my
> time with them ... it was true.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread Garth
I'm with you again on wheels Patrick, I don't mind heavy wheels  my 2 
current sets are 36H Phil FW hubs with Mavic T520/A719 rims  they're 
25mm wide and built superbly by Joe Young. I'll pay top dollar for wheels 
that never need to be touched after they're built. . .  .and that usually 
means a dedicated professional who only builds wheels.

Speaking of sluggish  Performance also sells the 700x35mm Gotham tire 
... aka a rebranded Panaracer Crosstown. Oh my  I never rode such a slug 
of a tire since my 3 speed days as a teen! 

Continentals seems to have a rep for sidewalls cracking  and from my 
time with them ... it was true. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread Tim McNamara
Huh.  I find the standard non-TG Paselas to roll as well as any clincher I've 
ever used (comparing to Avocet slicks, Ritchey Tom Slicks, Continental Grand 
Prix and Ultra 2000, Michelin Super Comp HD primarily).


On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Garth wrote:

> I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela tires...if you 
> want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The Metro K's are. 
> They're great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some cushion as long as 
> you're at 70-75psi. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread Tim McNamara

On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Aaron Schmidt wrote:

> This might be an unpopular opinion but in my experience wheel weight,
> and where in the wheel the weight is, can make a difference. Of course
> the amount of difference it makes is likely to depend on the total
> payload of the bike and rider. (Clearly I'm verging on religious
> territory here, but I can perceive a difference when riding my 19ish#
> go-fast (Salsa Primero) and my 30+# LHT. I did an 18 mile uphill TT on
> these bikes (using a similar gear ratio)  to see if reality matched my
> perceptions. Indeed I made it up the hill faster on the lighter
> bike.

I would reasonably expect an 11# (or more) weight difference to be noticeable.  
Imagine riding with a gallon and a half of water added to your bike- you'd 
notice it.  With the OP's question we're talking a change of a few ounces- 
imagine the difference between riding with a full versus empty water bottle.  
Few people claim to notice this difference, but it's much greater than the 30 
grams of tire weight some claim to be able to feel.

 Also, the frame geometry differences are going to give the bike a different 
feel in terms of handling which can make a rider feel faster or slower without 
actually being faster or slower.

> My cross bike with 35c Marathons feels pokey on the road compared to
> when I'm running 28c Gatorskins. On rough gravel roads I feel just the
> opposite! I probably lose more water weight on a long ride than the
> Marathons weigh more than the Gatorskins, true. However, they sure
> feel different when riding.

Those are very different tires in construction as well as size, so they are 
difficult to compare.

> Only going down to 32s, it doesn't sound like you're going to go
> weight weenie so who knows if you'll get up the hills faster. But
> maybe the smaller tire with higher PSI will make you feel faster.
> Totally counts for something.
> 
> Can you borrow a wheel set from someone and see what you think?

A reasonable idea.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread Peter Pesce
re good 26" tires - Do Schwalbe Kojaks come in 559x50? 
I have 700x35's (which are actually barely 32's) on my Sam and love them.
I think wheel and tire weight makes a big difference in feel, if not actual 
speed, because they are moving so fast compared to the rest of the bike and 
rider. Jan Heine did a test of this and found "optimal", for him at least, tire 
weights for various wheel sizes. This had more to do with responsivesness and 
feel, not speed. The optimal  700c range was down around 320-350g per tire, 
IIRC. 
-Spare Tire Pete  

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread cyclotourist
I think a wide (>40mm) plush, low rolling resistance and durable tire is the
thing that's hugely missing from the 559 tire size!  There should be a 26"
Hetre!!!  Instead of doing 650B conversions on 700C bikes, getting
plush-tire conversion for 26" mountain bikes should be all the rage!  I bet
more people have a MTB from the 90's hanging in their garage than a
skinny-tired 700C bike!

Rant for the day.


On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Thanks, Garth; will have to keep those in mind. I don't mind heavy
> wheels, but I do mind -- greatly -- sluggish tires, and there are
> definite differences.
>
> FWIW, list, I have a pair of almost unused Specialized Hemisphere 38s
> for sale Cheap! because the puncture resistant belt, well, you know
>  Make offers!
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Garth  wrote:
> >  I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela
> tires...if you want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The
> Metro K's are. They're great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some
> cushion as long as you're at 70-75psi.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Garth; will have to keep those in mind. I don't mind heavy
wheels, but I do mind -- greatly -- sluggish tires, and there are
definite differences.

FWIW, list, I have a pair of almost unused Specialized Hemisphere 38s
for sale Cheap! because the puncture resistant belt, well, you know
 Make offers!

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Garth  wrote:
>  I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela tires...if 
> you want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The Metro K's are. 
> They're great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some cushion as long as 
> you're at 70-75psi.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-06 Thread Garth
 I have them in the 622 Patrick.  I'm with you about the Pasela tires...if you 
want low rolling resistant tiresthose ain't it!  The Metro K's are. They're 
great at 35mm in that they roll fast AND have some cushion as long as you're at 
70-75psi. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread cyclotourist
I compared different tires back to back over a couple of rides.
http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/bike-servations.html  Didn't find a
whole lot of difference on an admittedly small sample size.  Both bikes are
very comfortable though!  The route has some elevation, but it's by no means
a hill climb!



On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Drop the bars 4 inches
> Buy aero wheel set
> 700x23 tires with 120 psi
> Add close range rear cassette
> You'll get a couple mph maybe 3.
> Then you might ad well go carbon cause those wheels and tires will look
> funny on the ahh.
>
> I bought a bombadil loaded it down.. Ride it a lot and now my ahh with jb's
> feels like a fast bike .. Just more comfy
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper
Drop the bars 4 inches
Buy aero wheel set 
700x23 tires with 120 psi
Add close range rear cassette
You'll get a couple mph maybe 3.
Then you might ad well go carbon cause those wheels and tires will look funny 
on the ahh.

I bought a bombadil loaded it down.. Ride it a lot and now my ahh with jb's 
feels like a fast bike .. Just more comfy

Kelly

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RE: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread Joe Bartoe

Oops, I meant Cerf in my previous post. Here's a link to a write-up I did at 
the time:

http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2010/02/initial-impressions-grand-bois-cerf.html

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Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:26:25 -0700








About a year and a half ago, I decided to try the Grand Bois Cypres tires on my 
road bike. I had a regular commute that I knew very well and would ride it 
consistently around the same pace every day. After switching the Grand Bois, 
there was a noticeable increase in average speed of my commutes. I was 
consistently 0.25 top 0.5 mph quicker with the Grand Bois tires than I was on 
the tires they replaced, Specialized Roubaix Pros. This wasn't a big change in 
weight, but was likely due to a significant decrease in rolling resistance. 
Tires make a big difference so don't be too quick to judge.

YMMV,

Joe

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:17:25 -0700
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On Friday, August 5, 2011 5:57:02 PM UTC-4, Solomander wrote:I have an AHH 
 I wouldn't mind it if the bike was a bit quicker- especially on hills. 
  What do you think?
It's all about the engine. Usually, jettisoning some weight from the 
mid-section of the engine will help the most. Given what your current set up 
is, tire RR and wheel weight are very minor factors. 
Best,
Larry





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RE: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread Joe Bartoe

About a year and a half ago, I decided to try the Grand Bois Cypres tires on my 
road bike. I had a regular commute that I knew very well and would ride it 
consistently around the same pace every day. After switching the Grand Bois, 
there was a noticeable increase in average speed of my commutes. I was 
consistently 0.25 top 0.5 mph quicker with the Grand Bois tires than I was on 
the tires they replaced, Specialized Roubaix Pros. This wasn't a big change in 
weight, but was likely due to a significant decrease in rolling resistance. 
Tires make a big difference so don't be too quick to judge.

YMMV,

Joe

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:17:25 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make



On Friday, August 5, 2011 5:57:02 PM UTC-4, Solomander wrote:I have an AHH 
 I wouldn't mind it if the bike was a bit quicker- especially on hills. 
  What do you think?
It's all about the engine. Usually, jettisoning some weight from the 
mid-section of the engine will help the most. Given what your current set up 
is, tire RR and wheel weight are very minor factors. 
Best,
Larry




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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread Brian Hanson
I went from 35mm Paselas to GB Cypres on my 36-spoke synergy wheels and
noticed a big difference in feel.  Felt like I was riding feathers rather
than treads.  The cush factor is still there as well if you don't overfill,
but they are a bit less of the shock absorbers that the 35s were.  I'm
sticking with them - new favorite 700c tire.

One man's opinion...
Brian
Seattle


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:38 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Garth: are your metros 559 or 622? Given the dearth of decent rolling
> 559 tires in anything wider than 23 mm (the Pasela 32s are the best
> I've seen, but not very good, IMO -- and they flat too easily, to
> boot) I'd be interested in considering them for my 559/571-wheeled Riv
> Roads. I'd also be interested in comments comparing the Metros with
> Paselas.
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Garth  wrote:
> > A different tire with a different tread(like a slick or slick-ish tire)
> with
> > less rolling resistance can make a notable difference, but like Tim said,
> a
> > narrower version of the same tire is not going to make any difference.
> I've
> > used Performance Bike's Forte Metro 35mm tires for years and absolutely
> love
> > the feel and low rolling resistance on my road bike. Don't let the low
> price
> > fool you. How do I know they have a really low rolling resistance?
> > riding on Kreitler rollers is a great tool to compare tires ... and these
> > fly... and give a good ride :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Much Difference Would Different Wheels/Tires Make

2011-08-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Garth: are your metros 559 or 622? Given the dearth of decent rolling
559 tires in anything wider than 23 mm (the Pasela 32s are the best
I've seen, but not very good, IMO -- and they flat too easily, to
boot) I'd be interested in considering them for my 559/571-wheeled Riv
Roads. I'd also be interested in comments comparing the Metros with
Paselas.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Garth  wrote:
> A different tire with a different tread(like a slick or slick-ish tire) with
> less rolling resistance can make a notable difference, but like Tim said, a
> narrower version of the same tire is not going to make any difference.  I've
> used Performance Bike's Forte Metro 35mm tires for years and absolutely love
> the feel and low rolling resistance on my road bike. Don't let the low price
> fool you. How do I know they have a really low rolling resistance?
> riding on Kreitler rollers is a great tool to compare tires ... and these
> fly... and give a good ride :)
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