Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for off-road

2014-02-26 Thread Jim M. 
I think there are several good lights available. And good lights are 
expensive. I've been very happy with a Cygolite that I got on closeout. 
I'll add my concurrence with the recommendation to use a helmet light in 
addition to a stem mounted light. 

I've seen lots of cool things riding around Mt Diablo at night. Skunks act 
as if they own the place, and I'm not going to argue with them. There is 
also a Night of the Toads and a Night of the Milliipedes (not at the same 
time) when very large members of those species wander across the trail 
every 100 yards or so. You know a millipede is big when you can see it with 
a bike light at night.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for off-road

2014-02-26 Thread hsmitham 
Mike I read through all the posts to see if anyone mentioned the Supernova 
and of course you did. That's the light I'm going with. Incidentally, when 
used to MTB at night I'd run three lights two on the handle bars and a 
helmet mounted one...it's the way to go.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:57:57 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> that's why the helmet light is essential for the hike-a-bike and other 
> direction look times.  
>
> A lot of 24 hr MTB racers use the Supernova lights. Not as focused as the 
> Son lights but better for off-road trals where you don't have on-coming 
> cars and such..
>
> ~mike
>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:28:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> My concern with a dyno hub system off-road would be that at very low 
>> speeds (stopping to jump over a log, climbing a steep stretch of trail, 
>> etc.), the light will either go out or become very dim. At low 
>> speeds/stops, modern LED lights have a "standlight" that stays on, but it's 
>> much dimmer than the headlight. 
>>
>> This is not an issue on the road, where you're almost always riding fast 
>> enough to spin the wheels fast enough for the lights to come on full 
>> strength. I'd be interested in whether anyone has had experience using 
>> dynos off-road. 
>>
>> --Eric N 
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> t . 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for off-road

2014-02-26 Thread Mike Schiller 
that's why the helmet light is essential for the hike-a-bike and other 
direction look times.  

A lot of 24 hr MTB racers use the Supernova lights. Not as focused as the 
Son lights but better for off-road trals where you don't have on-coming 
cars and such..

~mike

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:28:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My concern with a dyno hub system off-road would be that at very low 
> speeds (stopping to jump over a log, climbing a steep stretch of trail, 
> etc.), the light will either go out or become very dim. At low 
> speeds/stops, modern LED lights have a "standlight" that stays on, but it's 
> much dimmer than the headlight. 
>
> This is not an issue on the road, where you're almost always riding fast 
> enough to spin the wheels fast enough for the lights to come on full 
> strength. I'd be interested in whether anyone has had experience using 
> dynos off-road. 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> t . 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for off-road

2014-02-26 Thread Eric Norris 
My concern with a dyno hub system off-road would be that at very low speeds 
(stopping to jump over a log, climbing a steep stretch of trail, etc.), the 
light will either go out or become very dim. At low speeds/stops, modern LED 
lights have a "standlight" that stays on, but it's much dimmer than the 
headlight.

This is not an issue on the road, where you're almost always riding fast enough 
to spin the wheels fast enough for the lights to come on full strength. I'd be 
interested in whether anyone has had experience using dynos off-road.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> 
> I think you're right, Jim. Probably a dyno-hub road light plus a
> helmet-mounted broad light is the answer.
> 
> Just using a road light and nothing else off-road has one nasty
> pitfall. Road lights have a height cutoff so as not to blind oncoming
> vehicles. That's fine, because roads don't have tree branches and
> cliffs sticking out at eye level. But trails do, so just using a road
> light off-road can result in getting clotheslined by a branch.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Cyclofiend Jim
>  wrote:
>> For off-road (and on-road), it's really hard to beat the combination of a
>> stem and helmet mounted setup.  The specific problem with off-road is that
>> periodically, your bicycle may not be pointed in the direction you need to
>> see.  I've found that balancing the power is most helpful.  Depending on how
>> well your eyes work in the dark, even a low wattage LED setup can be quite
>> enough for normal speeds.  (of course, downhill over technical  trails, you
>> need/want brightness.)  I like a bit more focused headlight beam - ideal for
>> when you "need" to see somewhere.  The test I use is to look away from the
>> forward fixed beam and see if I can see enough detail.
>> 
>> hope that helps.
>> 
>> - Jim
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:09 PM UTC-8, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>>> 
>>> off-road is notoriously poorly-lit and has no fog lines.  I am all for the
>>> widest beam possible.  The B&M Luxos lights are both long and wide, plus
>>> have a shaped beam with a cutoff.  Love mine for the occasional trails
>>> through parks after dark part of a rando ride.  The Luxos is a biggish
>>> light, though.  Mine is mounted at the front of my Nitto rack.
>>> 
>>> A riding buddy of mine swears by her helmet mounted Stella.  It is a
>>> searchlight; I can say that about it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for off-road

2014-02-26 Thread Anne Paulson 
I think you're right, Jim. Probably a dyno-hub road light plus a
helmet-mounted broad light is the answer.

Just using a road light and nothing else off-road has one nasty
pitfall. Road lights have a height cutoff so as not to blind oncoming
vehicles. That's fine, because roads don't have tree branches and
cliffs sticking out at eye level. But trails do, so just using a road
light off-road can result in getting clotheslined by a branch.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Cyclofiend Jim
 wrote:
> For off-road (and on-road), it's really hard to beat the combination of a
> stem and helmet mounted setup.  The specific problem with off-road is that
> periodically, your bicycle may not be pointed in the direction you need to
> see.  I've found that balancing the power is most helpful.  Depending on how
> well your eyes work in the dark, even a low wattage LED setup can be quite
> enough for normal speeds.  (of course, downhill over technical  trails, you
> need/want brightness.)  I like a bit more focused headlight beam - ideal for
> when you "need" to see somewhere.  The test I use is to look away from the
> forward fixed beam and see if I can see enough detail.
>
> hope that helps.
>
> - Jim
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:10:09 PM UTC-8, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>>
>> off-road is notoriously poorly-lit and has no fog lines.  I am all for the
>> widest beam possible.  The B&M Luxos lights are both long and wide, plus
>> have a shaped beam with a cutoff.  Love mine for the occasional trails
>> through parks after dark part of a rando ride.  The Luxos is a biggish
>> light, though.  Mine is mounted at the front of my Nitto rack.
>>
>> A riding buddy of mine swears by her helmet mounted Stella.  It is a
>> searchlight; I can say that about it.
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RE: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
I have a Lezyne battery light (rechargeable) on my Mystery Bike, and it's 
absolutely terrific.  I think the model is Super Drive something or other - 400 
or 500 lumens, can't remember, but it's very bright and is a wonderful 
complement to a dynamo light (I have a Supernova on that bike), and I suspect 
would be great as a standalone light as well.   As Pam notes, it's not the 
prettiest light, but it's really excellent on functionality.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:40 AM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: lights

I have the MiNewt 600.  I tried a Cateye then the Princeton EOS but neither 
were bright enough.  Oddly, since I ride in semi lit areas, the dimmer lights 
did nothing and I needed a brighter light to see where I'm going.  It's the 
contrast of bright soccer field lights but I'm on the path that's not lit and I 
couldn't see.  If it's pitch black, dimmer lights are ok but if you have semi 
light then I actually need a brighter light to make any difference.  You won't 
be disappointed with a really bright light and you can ride anytime.  600 
lumens on high w/1 1/2 hr run time; 400 lumens on med w/3 hrs run time; 275 
lumens on low w/4 1/2 hrs run time; total charge time is 4 1/2 hrs; no wires to 
run; USB rechargeable.

Lezyne makes a pretty bright one but not as bright but nicer looking.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:


I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights (front 
and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding but would 
like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while touring. I am 
thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, models, 
placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the experience 
of others will be a big help. Thanks
Don




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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Leslie: different people have different eyes with different needs -- I for
example have very bad night vision, explained by an ophthalmologist as the
result of small pupils -- but many have claimed that very bright but
unfocused lights can actually be counterproductive. I mentioned before my
experience with an early HID system that was as bright, at least, as a car
headlight: it was too bright close-up which made its distant beam much less
effective. I found, even with my poor night vision, that less bright lights
actually let me see better on an unlit bike path.

I have no experience riding off road with very powerful lights; some say
that this is where they shine (so to speak).

That said, there is some merit to blindingly powerful lights when you ride
atr night in the face of oncoming traffic, whose headlights tend to
overwhelm all but the brightest bike lights. That said, in my own riding
environment, there are only a couple of places where this is a real bother,
and this is where I ride on a bike path adjacent to heavy traffic moving in
the opposite direction. On other routes where I ride on the same side as
auto traffic, thus separated from oncoming traffic by a lane, I don't have
this problem -- this is the reason for auto low beams.

The best lamps I've used are focused beam German ones like the Edeluxe and
Cyo, but even much inferior lamps have worked, such as a pair of 50 lumen
EOSes (this was some 8 years ago, when the EOS claimed 50 lumens each).

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM, pam  wrote:

> I have the MiNewt 600.  I tried a Cateye then the Princeton EOS but
> neither were bright enough.  Oddly, since I ride in semi lit areas, the
> dimmer lights did nothing and I needed a brighter light to see where I'm
> going.  It's the contrast of bright soccer field lights but I'm on the path
> that's not lit and I couldn't see.  If it's pitch black, dimmer lights are
> ok but if you have semi light then I actually need a brighter light to make
> any difference.  You won't be disappointed with a really bright light and
> you can ride anytime.  600 lumens on high w/1 1/2 hr run time; 400 lumens
> on med w/3 hrs run time; 275 lumens on low w/4 1/2 hrs run time; total
> charge time is 4 1/2 hrs; no wires to run; USB rechargeable.
>
> Lezyne makes a pretty bright one but not as bright but nicer looking.
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-10 Thread Bruce Herbitter 
The cover of the current issue of American Randonneur has some typical
reflective gear shown on some cyclists.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Bruce Herbitter
wrote:

> RUSA requires adequate reflective wear on rando rides..
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-10 Thread Bruce Herbitter 
RUSA requires adequate reflective wear on rando rides, and it's better to
be seen and not hit than the reverse. No propeller beanies yet though.  Sam
Allen belts look cool, but vests are more visible.  The cheapie DOT spec
ones work fine on a budget.

Here's one under $10 and there are many variants with other features to
look at:

http://www.esafetystore.com/GroupInformation/GroupID/10774

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:37 PM, charlie  wrote:

> Reflective sidewalls on my Marathon Supremes, velcro ankle reflector to
> keep my pants out of the chain, red reflector tape on the rear fender and
> white tape on the front head tube. My rain jacket, helmet and Carradice bag
> have a bit of reflective material on them also and last but not least both
> front and rear light lenses have built in reflectors. I've often thought of
> stitching reflective fabric on the backs of my gloves shaped like
> arrowheads for when I signal..just haven't done it yet.n ankle strap
> reflector and a rear triangle like those Riv sells. I've used a Sam Browne
> but I find it annoying to put on. REI has a big reflective night cycling
> vest with built in blinkies; you only have to add the
> WHOOO-whooo-WHOOO-whooo siren and the little helmet propeller.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-09 Thread charlie 
Reflective sidewalls on my Marathon Supremes, velcro ankle reflector to 
keep my pants out of the chain, red reflector tape on the rear fender and 
white tape on the front head tube. My rain jacket, helmet and Carradice bag 
have a bit of reflective material on them also and last but not least both 
front and rear light lenses have built in reflectors. I've often thought of 
stitching reflective fabric on the backs of my gloves shaped like 
arrowheads for when I signal..just haven't done it yet.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:50:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Good point: I always have backup front and rear, a cheap LED 3 AAA lamp in 
> front (eg, Planet Bike Blaze) and two LEDs in the rear one run steady, the 
> other in blinkie. I generally turn my battery headlight on only at 
> intersections because the standlights on the Cyo or Edeluxe dim quickly. I 
> turn it off after the intersection. 
>
> The QR front cheapie also serves as a flashlight if (God forbid) I have to 
> stop and change a tube mid-ride.
>
> Next question: what do y'all use for reflection? Me, generally an ankle 
> strap reflector and a rear triangle like those Riv sells. I've used a Sam 
> Browne but I find it annoying to put on. REI has a big reflective night 
> cycling vest with built in blinkies; you only have to add the 
> WHOOO-whooo-WHOOO-whooo siren and the little helmet propeller.
>
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/842481/amphipod-xinglet-flash-led-reflective-vest
>
> And these: 
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Tacx-Dropbar-HeadLight-Taillight-Directional/dp/B009HSV1RM
>
> Apparently you can use them as turn signals too.
>
> Curious -- an idle curiosity: who has the most lights, blinkies and 
> reflective gear on himerher and bike, of this list?
>
> Me, I find things like that annoying overkill, but then I've not used them 
> -- has anyone?
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jimmy Hutch 
> 
> > wrote:
>  
>
>> I only use cheap battery lights for back-up purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Pesce 
I buy DOT reflective tape at the auto parts store. It has alternating red 
and white sections so I can cut pieces of the proper color for front or 
rear reflectors. The adhesive is very tenacious, too. The white color 
blends very nicely with aluminum parts. I even found a spot on the back of 
my helmet for a red piece.

My schwalbes have reflective sidewall stripes. My new dynamo tail light has 
a big reflector built in. I wear a pant leg strap for sartorial reasons, as 
well as reflection, and I have a great, lightweight reflective sash I got 
from MEC that I can throw on over anything if I need added bling. The only 
downside is the sash uses the reflective printed cloth material which 
doesn't work very well wet, rather than the smooth, vinyl-y stuff that is 
not affected by water.

Patrick - I think this guy's trailer wins your contest: 
http://youtu.be/U6KnjN7WLyA   

Though he's not on the list AFAIK!

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Good point: I always have backup front and rear, a cheap LED 3 AAA lamp in 
> front (eg, Planet Bike Blaze) and two LEDs in the rear one run steady, the 
> other in blinkie. I generally turn my battery headlight on only at 
> intersections because the standlights on the Cyo or Edeluxe dim quickly. I 
> turn it off after the intersection. 
>
> The QR front cheapie also serves as a flashlight if (God forbid) I have to 
> stop and change a tube mid-ride.
>
> Next question: what do y'all use for reflection? Me, generally an ankle 
> strap reflector and a rear triangle like those Riv sells. I've used a Sam 
> Browne but I find it annoying to put on. REI has a big reflective night 
> cycling vest with built in blinkies; you only have to add the 
> WHOOO-whooo-WHOOO-whooo siren and the little helmet propeller.
>
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/842481/amphipod-xinglet-flash-led-reflective-vest
>
> And these: 
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Tacx-Dropbar-HeadLight-Taillight-Directional/dp/B009HSV1RM
>
> Apparently you can use them as turn signals too.
>
> Curious -- an idle curiosity: who has the most lights, blinkies and 
> reflective gear on himerher and bike, of this list?
>
> Me, I find things like that annoying overkill, but then I've not used them 
> -- has anyone?
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jimmy Hutch 
> 
> > wrote:
>  
>
>> I only use cheap battery lights for back-up purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Good point: I always have backup front and rear, a cheap LED 3 AAA lamp in
front (eg, Planet Bike Blaze) and two LEDs in the rear one run steady, the
other in blinkie. I generally turn my battery headlight on only at
intersections because the standlights on the Cyo or Edeluxe dim quickly. I
turn it off after the intersection.

The QR front cheapie also serves as a flashlight if (God forbid) I have to
stop and change a tube mid-ride.

Next question: what do y'all use for reflection? Me, generally an ankle
strap reflector and a rear triangle like those Riv sells. I've used a Sam
Browne but I find it annoying to put on. REI has a big reflective night
cycling vest with built in blinkies; you only have to add the
WHOOO-whooo-WHOOO-whooo siren and the little helmet propeller.

http://www.rei.com/product/842481/amphipod-xinglet-flash-led-reflective-vest

And these:

http://www.amazon.com/Tacx-Dropbar-HeadLight-Taillight-Directional/dp/B009HSV1RM

Apparently you can use them as turn signals too.

Curious -- an idle curiosity: who has the most lights, blinkies and
reflective gear on himerher and bike, of this list?

Me, I find things like that annoying overkill, but then I've not used them
-- has anyone?

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jimmy Hutch wrote:


> I only use cheap battery lights for back-up purposes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Peter Morgano 
I got my rear 650b alfine wheel done by Harris and have bought wheels off
them in the past. They were great. I was looking at longleaf for a 650b
dyno front wheel maybe for xmas though.
http://www.longleafbicycles.com/products/dynohubs-and-lighting/dynohubs/shimano-dh-3n72-dh-3d72/

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Will  wrote:

> I bought my boys wheels with Shimano Alfine hubs last year. Harris sells
> them. They are great. There's so little drag you can run lights full time.
> Running lights during the day is worth it. You are very visible.
>
> Around the holidays, Harris usually offers a good shipping promotion.
>
>
> http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-cyclery-generator-front-wheel-sun-cr-18-rim-shimano-alfine-hub-36-dt-spokes-2982.htm
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Note that, beyond a certain surprisingly low minimum, it is less the gross
output of a light that makes it desirable for commuting than the shape of
the beam. I get much more usable illumination from a 2.4-3W LED in my Cyo
or Edeluxe than from the insanely more bright HID light I had some years
ago.

"*The headlight that I use (a generator headlight called the IQ Cyo) is 60
Lux, but uses a LED that only puts out around 150 lumens (CREE XR-E). The
lenses just do a good job of putting the light on the ground in front of
the cyclist, and not wasting it lighting up trees that are over the road or
trail. The MS has 6x the number of lumens, but puts less light onto the
ground becuase the light is being distributed everywhere. A lot of that
scattered light is going into the eyes of oncoming cyclists and driver's,
blinding them.*"

Another big factor in the efficacy of a headlight: how well the close-up
lighting is graduated compared to that in the distance. A very bright
uniform beam giving very bright close-up illumination is self defeating
since it dazzles you so that you can't see as well in the distance.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> I use a Nite Rider minewt.600 on my Bleriot and I commute after dark.
>
> Wireless, small, and a powerful 600 lumens. I would not use less than 600
> lumens for riding at night.
>
> It comes with a mount for the helmet, and also with a clip on mount for
> the bars/stem.
>
> Works fantastic for me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I've got the dynohub ending in "71" with the Cyo -- have used this combo on
several bikes -- and yes, it is a very good setup. Frankly, the only reason
I have something better on my commuter Riv (SON 20 and Edeluxe) is vanity.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM, IanA  wrote:


> A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical
> combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this
> at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.
>
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Kenneth Stagg 
It also makes sense for morning people like me.  I'm already awake, I love 
sunrise, I love riding.  Put them all together

-Ken

On Oct 8, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> Dawn touring makes tons of sense where it's very hot. Even non-hardcore 
> tourists quickly learn the benefit of avoiding 100 degree heat in the full 
> sun.
> 
> -- Anne
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> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, IanA  wrote:
>> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.   
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 09:16 -0700, Don wrote:
> Thanks for the replies thus far they are helpful. I am seriously
> lacking in knowledge here so bear with me. If I convert to a hub
> dynamo then I will need to purchase the hub and have it installed in
> my wheel (read)? 

Yes you will need to have a wheel built around a hub dynamo.



> And I will need to purchase a light or lights (front and rear) to go
> with it? Correct? 

Correct.


> Given that option what brands and models are suggested and where can
> one purchase these so that I can begin to get some kind of a cost
> estimate to this. 

http://peterwhitecycles.com is an excellent source of information.  On
his site look under Products -> Lights



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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Anne Paulson 
Dawn touring makes tons of sense where it's very hot. Even non-hardcore
tourists quickly learn the benefit of avoiding 100 degree heat in the full
sun.

-- Anne

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, IanA  wrote:

> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I'll toss this one in, too:

http://www.magniclight.com/magniclight/index.php/en/startseite/8-magnic-light-homepage-english

The claim that it puts out more light than any existing dynamo system is
probably bogus, but the claim that (eventually) it will retrofit to your
existing headlight is interesting.

Vapor at the moment, I think, and I guess it won't work with the carbon
fiber rims on your Bombadil.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Whoops, I should make it clear that I'm not trying to contradict Kelly and
> only wish to say that, IME, bottles and bb dynamos are a very nice and
> relatively inexpensive option.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
>> bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
>> dynamo or even one of these:
>>
>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp
>>
>> Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I
>> had an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.
>>
>> PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.
>>
>> For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
>> both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
>> bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.
>>
>> (The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
>> to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
>>> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
>>> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
>>> range of needs.
>>> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
>>> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
>>> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
>>> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
>>> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
>>> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
>>> grounds.
>>>
>>> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>>>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
>>> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>>>
>>> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
>>> touring.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:

I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting
 lights (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark
 riding but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation
 while touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator,
 brands, models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting
 from the experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
 Don

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Whoops, I should make it clear that I'm not trying to contradict Kelly and
only wish to say that, IME, bottles and bb dynamos are a very nice and
relatively inexpensive option.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
> bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
> dynamo or even one of these:
>
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp
>
> Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I
> had an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.
>
> PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.
>
> For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
> both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
> bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.
>
> (The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
> to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
>> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
>> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
>> range of needs.
>> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
>> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
>> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
>> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
>> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
>> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
>> grounds.
>>
>> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
>> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>>
>> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
>> touring.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>>>
>>>I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting
>>> lights (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark
>>> riding but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation
>>> while touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator,
>>> brands, models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting
>>> from the experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>>> Don
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Eric Norris 
I've been road testing a slightly different solution--the BikeCharge 
combination dynamo/light/USB charger.  My initial results are online here:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/08/quick-bikecharge-impressions.html

I originally bought the BikeCharge to get the USB charging option, but I've 
been very pleased with the amount of light it throws.  It moves easily from 
bike to bike (within limits), and has worked very well on my primary bike.  The 
entire system is about $120 including shipping.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
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On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Don,
> 
> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the 
> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be 
> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide 
> range of needs. 
> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the 
> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you 
> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet, 
> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4 bikes 
> with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our phones 
> while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp grounds.   
> 
> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.  
> Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to 
> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.   
> 
> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when 
> touring. 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>> 
>> I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
dynamo or even one of these:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp

Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I had
an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.

PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.

For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.

(The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Don,
>
> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
> range of needs.
> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
> grounds.
>
> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>
> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
> touring.
>
> Kelly
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

2012-10-08 Thread Peter Morgano 
I do ride alot at night but not for hours at a time and have found my
MiNewt 250 light with Gino mount to be a great fit. Even on the lowest
setting it is bright enough to light up a dark bike path and will run for
about 3 hours. Now take into consideration I am in NYC where it is rarely
ever "pitch black".  on the brightest setting the light is crazy bright,
which i only use in high traffic situations to make sure I am seen. It is
defintely a "see and be seen light". Best part for me is tha it has a built
in batter, which makes it kinda large but I dont have to run any wires or
anything like that.  It was not a cheap light at 90 bucks but it charges in
5 hours, is sealed up tight to stop dirt and water and mounts securely.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> It's hard to beat a dynamo for reliability or convenience, but a full dyno
> set up is still a bit of an investment if you won't be using it regularly.
> However, you mention "touring" so it could be that even if you do most of
> your riding in daylight, not having to worry about batteries while you are
> out and about could make a dynamo system worthwhile for you. A decent
> headlight will eat batteries quickly, but if you only need "be seen" blinky
> lights then a set of batteries could last a whole tour with occasional use.
>
> -Pete (dynamo powered as of this morning!) in CT
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for Nitto racks

2012-03-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
FWIW, I test-mounted two blinkies at the rear of my new Fargo rack
and, sho' 'nuff, one bounce off after fewer than 5 miles. The other
one remained -- so far.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, judy richmond
 wrote:
> I use a Planet Bike mounted on that rack. One reasons I like it is
> because it has one of the best reflectors of any blinky type light I
> have found.
> http://www.rei.com/product/776955/planet-bike-rack-blinky-5-rear-light.
>
> On Mar 16, 11:11 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
>> Probably some of you have those Nitto racks Rivendell sells. Great
>> racks. Front and rear both have a flat plate, with a hole facing
>> forward/backward, for (I assume) mounting a light.
>>
>> Can anyone name a front light (dyno-powered or battery-powered) or a
>> rear battery-powered light that I could buy that comes with hardware
>> suitable for mounting on a flat plate like the Nitto has? I'm
>> mechanically challenged and can't figure out how to mount a light on
>> one of those racks. Except an IQ Cyo, which I think will soon grace my
>> touring bike. But that leaves rear lights or blinkies for my bike and
>> my son's beautiful apple green Rambouillet.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for Nitto racks

2012-03-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
A warning: I've had two rear blinkies mounted on one of those adaptors
fling themselves off the mount, hit the ground and explode after the
rear tire hit admittedly egregiously large (6" wide, 3" deep)
expansion cracks at 15+ mph. It seems that the moment or leverage of
the very rearward location makes that adaptor rather insecure.



On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Hmm I prefer the Gino Mount to the nitto one,  it is a little fatter and
> mounts through the mount rather than from the back like the nitto version.
> Got mine on Amazon for 15 bucks.  The front part of my rack is occupied by
> the platrack.
>
> On Mar 17, 2012 11:38 AM, "Lisa"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>> I have the Nitto Big front rack with a flat plate as you describe.  I use
>> the plate to mount a reflector -- I don't like having a light that far
>> forward.
>>
>> My headlight is a Planet Bike Blaze 2W, designed to clamp on a handlebar.
>>  To mount my light on the rack, I use a Velo Orange small-diameter band
>> clamp and a Nitto Lamp holder (link below) to create a place to clamp the
>> handlebar mount.  This puts the light on the side of my rack in a good place
>> that doesn't interfere with low-mount panniers, an Ortlieb handlebar bag, or
>> even a Wald basket on the rack platform.
>>
>> Photo of my bike with the light mounted on the rack (look in front, just
>> below the basket):
>> http://tinyurl.com/7q2lt3q
>>
>> Nitto Lamp holder link:
>> http://tinyurl.com/72z7qca
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> On Friday, March 16, 2012 11:11:54 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably some of you have those Nitto racks Rivendell sells. Great
>>> racks. Front and rear both have a flat plate, with a hole facing
>>> forward/backward, for (I assume) mounting a light.
>>>
>>> Can anyone name a front light (dyno-powered or battery-powered) or a
>>> rear battery-powered light that I could buy that comes with hardware
>>> suitable for mounting on a flat plate like the Nitto has? I'm
>>> mechanically challenged and can't figure out how to mount a light on
>>> one of those racks. Except an IQ Cyo, which I think will soon grace my
>>> touring bike. But that leaves rear lights or blinkies for my bike and
>>> my son's beautiful apple green Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Anne Paulson
>>>
>>> My hovercraft is full of eels
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for Nitto racks

2012-03-17 Thread Peter Morgano 
Hmm I prefer the Gino Mount to the nitto one,  it is a little fatter and
mounts through the mount rather than from the back like the nitto version.
Got mine on Amazon for 15 bucks.  The front part of my rack is occupied by
the platrack.
On Mar 17, 2012 11:38 AM, "Lisa"  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
>
> I have the Nitto Big front rack with a flat plate as you describe.  I use
> the plate to mount a reflector -- I don't like having a light that far
> forward.
>
> My headlight is a Planet Bike Blaze 2W, designed to clamp on a handlebar.
>  To mount my light on the rack, I use a Velo Orange small-diameter band
> clamp and a Nitto Lamp holder (link below) to create a place to clamp the
> handlebar mount.  This puts the light on the side of my rack in a good
> place that doesn't interfere with low-mount panniers, an Ortlieb handlebar
> bag, or even a Wald basket on the rack platform.
>
> Photo of my bike with the light mounted on the rack (look in front, just
> below the basket):
> http://tinyurl.com/7q2lt3q
>
> Nitto Lamp holder link:
> http://tinyurl.com/72z7qca
>
> Lisa
>
> On Friday, March 16, 2012 11:11:54 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Probably some of you have those Nitto racks Rivendell sells. Great
>> racks. Front and rear both have a flat plate, with a hole facing
>> forward/backward, for (I assume) mounting a light.
>>
>> Can anyone name a front light (dyno-powered or battery-powered) or a
>> rear battery-powered light that I could buy that comes with hardware
>> suitable for mounting on a flat plate like the Nitto has? I'm
>> mechanically challenged and can't figure out how to mount a light on
>> one of those racks. Except an IQ Cyo, which I think will soon grace my
>> touring bike. But that leaves rear lights or blinkies for my bike and
>> my son's beautiful apple green Rambouillet.
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
>> My hovercraft is full of eels
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
In this connection, does anyone know:

1. If the Blackburn Flea can be charged with the wall-to-usb adaptor
used for the iPhone cable?

2. How long the Flea runs on one charge? -- I've seen 3 and 5 hours.

3. How long the Flea holds it charge when fully charged and left unused?

Thanks.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean
 wrote:

 One distinguishing charactersitic is that
> it uses a USB interface for charging (i.e. it comes with a wall-wart charger
> but the connector at the light is USB format and it can be charged from a
> USB port).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Oh well; wonder if it's just the connectors. I like the small,
compact, easy-mount design of the E3 taillight. I may try a hack --
can't see why a very low power LED tail would not work with a typical
LED 3 w headlight. Thanks for the PJW text.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Not according to Peter White.  He says you can only use Supernovas with other 
> Supernovas: "Supernova lights are not compatible with other brands of lights. 
> You can't mix and match Supernova headlights with other brands of taillight, 
> and you can't use Supernova taillights with other brands of headlight. 
> Supernova lights come with tough wiring for the taillight that is hard wired. 
> They do not use the same metric connectors as used by Busch & Müller, 
> Wilfried Schmidt and Spanninga."
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?
>
> Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno powered 
> tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.
>
> 'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across
>> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the
>> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the
>> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to
>> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and
>> covered in shrink wrap.
>>
>> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and
>> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack
>> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>>
>> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and
>> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring
>> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of
>> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as
>> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is
>> compatible with the E3.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
Not according to Peter White.  He says you can only use Supernovas with other 
Supernovas: "Supernova lights are not compatible with other brands of lights. 
You can't mix and match Supernova headlights with other brands of taillight, 
and you can't use Supernova taillights with other brands of headlight. 
Supernova lights come with tough wiring for the taillight that is hard wired. 
They do not use the same metric connectors as used by Busch & Müller, Wilfried 
Schmidt and Spanninga."


 

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno powered 
tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.

'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across 
> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the 
> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the 
> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to 
> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and 
> covered in shrink wrap.
>
> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and 
> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack 
> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>
> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and 
> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring 
> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of 
> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as 
> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is 
> compatible with the E3.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno
powered tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.

'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across
> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the
> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the
> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to
> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and
> covered in shrink wrap.
>
> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and
> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack
> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>
> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and
> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring
> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of
> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as
> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is
> compatible with the E3.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Glenn Ammons 
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:38 -0400, Khalid Mateen wrote:
>> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a
>> touring bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.
>> Sorry to high jack this post but it is question that I have been
>> asking myself.
>
> Mitch Pryor likes that position.  You can see several set up that way on
> his flickr site  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/
> and in the MAP Randonneur Project Owners Group, such as this one
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/5583366143/in/pool-1759586@N22
>
> He has a mount made for that lamp and that location that he says will be
> commercially available soon, shown here
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6055950533/in/photostream

Ooh.  That's nice!  I make my own fender mounts by bending a strip of
stainless steel into a U, but Mitch's mount is way nicer (and, if my
time counts for anything, cheaper).

Here's a picture of my setup (the light is now an eDelux):

https://picasaweb.google.com/107305917565128209357/VeloOrangeCyclotouriste#5180637123092075842

I do use an extra fender stay for support.  On the bike I'm assembling
now, I used a Honjo R-clip to attach the light mount to both the
fender and the extra stay, which should be even more durable.  The one
above has lasted four years, though, so it's not bad.

--glenn
West Chester, PA, USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:23 AM, EricP  wrote:
> I have my E3 mounted forward like that on my Hillborne.  It can get a
> bit dirty.  Might switch things around in the future.  Although the
> Sam isn't often out in winter.  However, mounting on the front of the
> Nitto rack might be better for me.
>
> For the Cyo, haven't found problems with the switch.  Although my
> tendency is to keep it on at all times.  Especially now that I have a
> tail light hooked up.  The light is on the fork crown above a fender,
> so is away from some of the elements.
>
> If one were to go with two lights, the Fly might be a good choice.
> Or, if looking to save money, the Lyt might be an option.  Installed
> one on my wife's bike.  It has a good beam pattern and she likes it
> better than the Lumotech Oval which it replaced.
>
> Khalid - I personally don't think mounting a light on the front fender
> would work.  Too much vibration.  A second strut in front of the light
> might help.  Then I could see it being possible.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Sep 7, 10:30 am, Jude  wrote:
>> > Regarding Cyo, how does it hold up under bucketing rain?  Does it take
>> > on water?  I've read some concerns about it not being as tight as the
>> > Edelux...
>>
>> I mounted the first Cyo on the forward tab of a Nitto M12 rack.  This
>> placed the light directly in the spray of the tire.  I kept thinking
>> "I need to move that light or extend the fender".  After about a year
>> it finally failed in a downpour.  I tried letting it dry for a week
>> but that didn't help.  Luckily it was still under warranty, Peter
>> White replaced it.  I was honest about the conditions and the
>> placement.
>>
>> After that I followed Bicycle Quarterly's advice.  The new light is
>> mounted under the rack to the side.   Rene Herse sells a bracket at a
>> fair price though one could easily make their own.  Great placement
>> and keeps the light out of the 
>> spray.http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelu...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Aren't they liberating? I too was a holdout for years until I tried
the latest generation of German LED lights. Now I've got dynamos on
all my bikes except my gofast -- 1 SON 20R + Edeluxe, Riv,  1 DH3N72
(actually two of these for the two wheelsets, fat and very fat) + Cyo
for the Fargo, 1 BB dynamo + Cyo for the Herse and one or two other
bottle setups with various lamps for beater grocery getter-types. For
the grocery trike It's is great to be able just to get on and pedal
for a last minute trip to the store: I ought to rig up a dyno tail
light on that one. I don't mind switching on batter rear lights for
the other bikes since the batteries last for at least a couple of
months.

I do have battery backups, a Knog or Frog on the trike, shortly a head
mounted Flea or somesuch for the others, that I carry in a pouch with
ankle and Sam Browne reflectors as part of my nighttime kit, but for
the short run, last minute errand vehicle I want full automation, so
to speak.


 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
> charging cable (though I know it's here)
> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on
> the light or remember to turn it off again.
> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
> Kelly


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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I've thought of that and would say "no" unless your fender has a
second pair of struts supporting the forward end or unless it is
secured to the underside of a rack; and even in those cases, only with
metal fenders. I've seen very light, old lamps that an unsupported
metal fender might support long term without damage, but the Edeluxe
is quite a bit heavier than these, as are also the Cyos and the Fly.

Note that I have in mind Berthoud ss fenders as well as Honjo and VO
aluminum ones.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Khalid Mateen  wrote:
> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a touring
> bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.  Sorry to high
> jack this post but it is question that I have been asking myself.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>>
>> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
>> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
>> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
>> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
>> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
>> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
>> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
>> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
>> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
>> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
>> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
>> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
>> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
>> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
>> charging cable (though I know it's here)
>> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on
>> the light or remember to turn it off again.
>> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
>> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:38 -0400, Khalid Mateen wrote:
> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a
> touring bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.
> Sorry to high jack this post but it is question that I have been
> asking myself.


Mitch Pryor likes that position.  You can see several set up that way on
his flickr site  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/
and in the MAP Randonneur Project Owners Group, such as this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/5583366143/in/pool-1759586@N22

He has a mount made for that lamp and that location that he says will be
commercially available soon, shown here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6055950533/in/photostream

However the BQ test of the MAP had a photo where a light in that
location had been misaligned by the handlebar bag hitting it after a
stretch on a rough gravel road.   That can't happen with a rack mount.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Khalid Mateen 
Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a touring
bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.  Sorry to high
jack this post but it is question that I have been asking myself.




On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
>
>
> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
>
> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
> charging cable (though I know it's here)
>
> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on the
> light or remember to turn it off again.
>
> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
>
> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Scott G. 
I used the Cyo in moderate rain with no problem, haven't tried it in the 
snow.
The skewer end mount setup makes the wheel, light and mount one piece,
easy to move from bike to bike, no wires to disconnect.

I used to used to setup a dedicated night bike for each winter, being able 
to
swap the light system easily let me ride the 'nice' bike occasionally during 
winter evenings.

note, the E3 Pro  is available with a spot beam or the Edelux style auto 
cutoff beam optic.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
That's one of their benefits: the lights are designed to shine like
auto low beams: bright for illumination but not for oncomers' eyes.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Ginz  wrote:
> Regarding the Edelux, Cyo R, and others, are these lights so bright
> that runners, bikers and other commuter path users will hate me?!  I
> like the brightness on a gravel road, but in the city, I don't want to
> annoy folks.
>
> Thanks,
> Ginz
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I've read that Shimano dynohubs are too tight and too dry when new and
that proactive adjustment and lubing makes them live much longer. Was
the early death due to the winter or the initial bearing problem?

Dunno myself, that's just what I read in BQ; I have the shop repack
and adjust all new Shimanos that I buy.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:07 PM, EricP  wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and Patrick, for Minnesota winters, the SON is the better choice.
>> My wife is lucky in her Shimano dynohub has lasted a few years.  Most
>> last two (or three at most).  Moisture gets inside and they can't be
>> rebuilt.  On the ones I've had, usually have to scrape down one of the
>> contacts once or twice a winter to get rid of corrosion from the
>> weather.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>
> I agree that for Minnesota winters Shimanos are not up to the task.  My
> first Shimano lasted about 1.5 winters.  My current one has been through two
> winters (I now store the bike in the garage in the winter so there is less
> temperature change and less moisture), but I don't think that it will make
> it through this winter -- it is not quite right now.
> When my current Shimano dies, I will probably just use my battery lights.  I
> have a short commute, I don't want to spend the cash on that bike for a SON
> and I am tired of buying a new Shimano every couple years.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread Dan Abelson 
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:07 PM, EricP  wrote:

>
> Oh, and Patrick, for Minnesota winters, the SON is the better choice.
> My wife is lucky in her Shimano dynohub has lasted a few years.  Most
> last two (or three at most).  Moisture gets inside and they can't be
> rebuilt.  On the ones I've had, usually have to scrape down one of the
> contacts once or twice a winter to get rid of corrosion from the
> weather.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
I agree that for Minnesota winters Shimanos are not up to the task.  My
first Shimano lasted about 1.5 winters.  My current one has been through two
winters (I now store the bike in the garage in the winter so there is less
temperature change and less moisture), but I don't think that it will make
it through this winter -- it is not quite right now.

When my current Shimano dies, I will probably just use my battery lights.  I
have a short commute, I don't want to spend the cash on that bike for a SON
and I am tired of buying a new Shimano every couple years.

Dan Abelson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper 
X2 on Edelux .. We have them on three of the bikes and love them.

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread René Sterental 
Congratulations!!!

If you can afford it, get the Edelux. Here's a photo of mine on the Atlantis
under the Nitto Mini/Platrack using the bracket sold by Rene Herse
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail
.

*http://tinyurl.com/3oqgkqx*

The light is great, the senso feature is wonderful even though it turns the
light on even during the day when it's not sunny and bright (great for extra
visibility) and its coverage is perfect. You won't be blinding pedestrians
or cars.

René

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> Here is a Cyo using a B&M handle bar mount and the Velo Orange skewer mount
> gadget.
> A little low but used it this way for a few months.
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/sg8357/Scott-Goldsmith/Chris-Kvale-2005/Cyo1.jpg.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights, lights, lights

2011-09-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
No; I bought a 6' length at True Value. I could have used 1 cm wide
stock instead; I bought the 2 cm stuff for another project.

IIRC, the 2 cm stock was about $8 to $10 for 6'.

Tell ya what: send me your address and I'll send you 6".

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> kind of aluminum stock you used for your light?
>
> Yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights, lights, lights

2011-09-02 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean 
Hi! 

Do you know of a good place on the web to order smallish quantities of the kind 
of aluminum stock you used for your light?

Yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights, lights, lights

2011-09-02 Thread Scott G. 
Patrick, I included the Cyo official mount for the fork crown
and the VO mount that fits on the rack eyelet.

Whilst on light mountology, anyone mount a Supernova E3
to Nitto m12 ?, did you the multimount or some other widget.

Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights, lights, lights

2011-09-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
And no wobbling: I had a VO ss strut that wobbled considerably, which
is why I took a shot at my own.

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> It's a 2003 custom road bike built for 559 or 571 wheels (currently
> 559X31). It handles fine with less than 10 lb in front (it will carry
> 25 easily in the back). The front rack is a VO Randonneur rack, the
> rear a custom. The light strut needs some polishing and smoothing --
> it's hard aluminum! The new bag will go on this rack. Fenders (flat
> Civias) coming. The bike, sans bags, pump and bottles with with lights
> and racks weighs 21 1/2 lb.
>
> I've got another very similar Riv that is unburdened with racks or
> anything else except a single bottle cage.
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ely Rodriguez  wrote:
>> Is that just a regular road bike with a rack mounted to it with P-clamps?
>> I really like that.
>> Any wobbling? or criticism?
>> I really want to try that with my steel road bike, putting a small/medium
>> rando bar bag in the front.
>> Maybe mounting a light as well.
>> I've made a front light mount like that as well, just not as carved. Really
>> pretty, I like the lines.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights, lights, lights

2011-09-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
It's a 2003 custom road bike built for 559 or 571 wheels (currently
559X31). It handles fine with less than 10 lb in front (it will carry
25 easily in the back). The front rack is a VO Randonneur rack, the
rear a custom. The light strut needs some polishing and smoothing --
it's hard aluminum! The new bag will go on this rack. Fenders (flat
Civias) coming. The bike, sans bags, pump and bottles with with lights
and racks weighs 21 1/2 lb.

I've got another very similar Riv that is unburdened with racks or
anything else except a single bottle cage.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ely Rodriguez  wrote:
> Is that just a regular road bike with a rack mounted to it with P-clamps?
> I really like that.
> Any wobbling? or criticism?
> I really want to try that with my steel road bike, putting a small/medium
> rando bar bag in the front.
> Maybe mounting a light as well.
> I've made a front light mount like that as well, just not as carved. Really
> pretty, I like the lines.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-09 Thread CycloFiend 
on 10/7/10 3:41 PM, Tim McNamara at [email protected] wrote:

> Another option, if you're handy with a soldering iron, is to build
> your own LED light.  There's a lot of information on the Web about
> this and it could be a fun project.

I would point you to ride buddy and Master Of The Useful Hack JimG - he's
built some pretty impressive lights, and has a load of references on his
site/blog.

If you have an interest in homebrewing, what you'll find is the "good" LED's
you can buy separately are about a year or two ahead of most commercial
products. The technology has really been moving fast on those, and with
product cycles inherent in the bike biz, the actual LED's they spec end up
being not as bright/efficient/advanced.

For more on that, I'll point you his way -

http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/lights/led_lights.php

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Why hesitate?  Good to keep that issue in mind for all decisions, no?
>

B/c some folks see it as environmental proseltyzing and I don't want
to be in that argument.

that's all.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
Why hesitate?  Good to keep that issue in mind for all decisions, no? 

-Original Message-
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> I was talking with a friend who just got an Exposure Toro
> (http://www.exposurelights.com/) and really likes it.  It's 700 lumens 
> for 3 hrs burn time self-contained.  I was all set to do it for about 
> $300, but I keep thinking I really should do a dyno/LED combo if for 
> no other reason than it's a plug and forget thing.  I also like the 
> idea of it being there all the time as I occasionally ride home at night in 
> the summer.
> My 10-mile commute is usually in the rain with a lot of streetlight 
> glare and shadowed trail during the Seattle winter.  I have been using 
> a 2-watt LED, but this is just enough to make me comfortable at 15-17mph flat 
> speeds.
>  I'll probably just have to try both options at some point...
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>

I hesitate to say this but there is another reason to go with the dyno/led:

Batteries, even rechargeable ones, have a VERY limited lifespan before you toss 
them or recycle them (which still ends up with some nasty waste being housed)


So if only from a controlling waste standpoint the dyno/led combo are a better 
idea.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> I was talking with a friend who just got an Exposure Toro
> (http://www.exposurelights.com/) and really likes it.  It's 700 lumens for 3
> hrs burn time self-contained.  I was all set to do it for about $300, but I
> keep thinking I really should do a dyno/LED combo if for no other reason
> than it's a plug and forget thing.  I also like the idea of it being there
> all the time as I occasionally ride home at night in the summer.
> My 10-mile commute is usually in the rain with a lot of streetlight glare
> and shadowed trail during the Seattle winter.  I have been using a 2-watt
> LED, but this is just enough to make me comfortable at 15-17mph flat speeds.
>  I'll probably just have to try both options at some point...
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>

I hesitate to say this but there is another reason to go with the dyno/led:

Batteries, even rechargeable ones, have a VERY limited lifespan before
you toss them or recycle them (which still ends up with some nasty
waste being housed)


So if only from a controlling waste standpoint the dyno/led combo are
a better idea.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
I have an Exposure MaxxD (a Toro equivalent from last year) and a SON dynohub 
with a Supernova E3 light.  The MaxxD is brighter (but not meaningfully so, by 
which I mean the E3 is plenty bright enough, even for pretty fast downhills on 
the road), but the always-on, never-need-to-charge characteristics of the dyno 
combo is the decider for me.  I use the MaxxD on my other bikes, though I 
usually take my Atlantis (w/ the dyno) when I'm riding at night.


From: [email protected] 
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

I was talking with a friend who just got an Exposure Toro 
(http://www.exposurelights.com/) and really likes it.  It's 700 lumens for 3 
hrs burn time self-contained.  I was all set to do it for about $300, but I 
keep thinking I really should do a dyno/LED combo if for no other reason than 
it's a plug and forget thing.  I also like the idea of it being there all the 
time as I occasionally ride home at night in the summer.

My 10-mile commute is usually in the rain with a lot of streetlight glare and 
shadowed trail during the Seattle winter.  I have been using a 2-watt LED, but 
this is just enough to make me comfortable at 15-17mph flat speeds.  I'll 
probably just have to try both options at some point...

Brian
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Brian Hanson 
I was talking with a friend who just got an Exposure Toro (
http://www.exposurelights.com/) and really likes it.  It's 700 lumens for 3
hrs burn time self-contained.  I was all set to do it for about $300, but I
keep thinking I really should do a dyno/LED combo if for no other reason
than it's a plug and forget thing.  I also like the idea of it being there
all the time as I occasionally ride home at night in the summer.

My 10-mile commute is usually in the rain with a lot of streetlight glare
and shadowed trail during the Seattle winter.  I have been using a 2-watt
LED, but this is just enough to make me comfortable at 15-17mph flat speeds.
 I'll probably just have to try both options at some point...

Brian
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Eric Norris 
As another responder noted, you'll get light at a very low speed. Also keep in 
mind that when you're crawling uphill at a snail's pace your lights don't need 
to shine very far.  Bigger issue fo me is how far the lights reach when riding 
at a normal pace, and in that regard LED lights (edeluxe and Cyo) are far and 
away the best choice.

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On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:56 AM, "[email protected]"  wrote:

> This is probably going to be the most naive question regarding hub
> generators for lights, but I'll ask anyway..
> 
> How fast do you have to be going in order to have "good light"?  i.e.
> If I'm going up a steep hill and am crawling, will I have no light/dim
> light/same amount of light? For that matter, even on flat sections I'm
> not speedy.
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
With the new LED headlights, not more than about 4 mph for most hubs,
a bit more for the SON 20R which is made for smaller -- faster turning
-- wheels.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:56 AM, [email protected]  wrote:
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> generators for lights, but I'll ask anyway..
>
> How fast do you have to be going in order to have "good light"?  i.e.
> If I'm going up a steep hill and am crawling, will I have no light/dim
> light/same amount of light? For that matter, even on flat sections I'm
> not speedy.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:56 AM, [email protected]  wrote:
> This is probably going to be the most naive question regarding hub
> generators for lights, but I'll ask anyway..
>
> How fast do you have to be going in order to have "good light"?  i.e.
> If I'm going up a steep hill and am crawling, will I have no light/dim
> light/same amount of light? For that matter, even on flat sections I'm
> not speedy.
>

On my tandem the light comes on bright enough for me to see by when
i'm walking the bike.

I've lifted up the front wheel and spun it with my hand and used the
light as a flash light.

so... almost no speed.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
I sometimes have the same feeling of "shoulda gotten what I wanted", and didn't 
want it when I was thinking about lights.  But honestly, part of my rationale 
was that the SON hub is just so g-d beautiful.  And I sure haven't been 
disappointed by its performance.  (Not that I know how it is performing 
relative to how a Shimano dynohub would perform, so that opinion isn't worth 
much.) 

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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:38 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Lights

Yea, I ran the numbers tonight and with high quality Sanyo batteries, a quality 
charger plus two 2 Watt lights it ended up around $140 so..this means I 
would only need $350 more for what I really want.
I just can't settle for less, unless its way less. I just don't want to spend 
money twice. I do this often and regret it later. I compromise and find out 
later I should have purchased what I wanted. I nearly always end up doing so 
later wasting the initial money I spent in the first place. I can see myself 
using a generator hub of quality and riding more because I have one.  Maybe 
some of you can explain the real world realizationsyou had after getting a Son 
hub or..did any of you find out that you really didn't need such a fancy 
setup?

On Oct 6, 6:40 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I just had a Shimano DN something (disk model) or another built into 
> an existing rim for $150 including six bolt rotor adaptor. Add $100 
> for a Cyo: $250 plus tax or plus shipping, take your choice. Not as 
> cheap as a Blaze, but not $500, either.
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, charlie  wrote:
> > I use the inexpensive Planet bike 1 watt light and have used two of 
> > them mounted on my bar. These seem to have enough brightness for me 
> > to see fine up to about 18 mph. I'd love a Son 28 built on a A719 
> > rim to match my back wheel but this combo with the lights is over 
> > $500. I can buy two 2 watt Plant bike lights for around $100 and get 
> > some AA rechargeable batteries and be fine I think. My 1 watt PB 
> > light is as bright as my Fenex L2d flashlight in the standard high 
> > power mode (107
> > lumens) so two 2 watt lights ought to be plenty. The only problem I 
> > can see is that these lights are not the best for oncoming traffic 
> > like the generator lamps are and some of the battery powered German 
> > made lamps.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I don't know how much longer in miles the SON 20R will last than the
Ultegra level (so saith Sheldon) Shimanos, but as for performance, I
can't tell the difference in drag or, needless to say, in output. I've
got Shimanos on two bikes and the SON on the pretty bike. Sure, I like
the SON and I justify it by saying, the hell with justifying it, I can
afford it and I want it and my car is worth $800. So there. But if I
were wholly rational, I'd just buy Shimanos.

I'd use the German LED lights, though -- Cyo for rationality, Edeluxe
for pretty.

Hub via LBS: $100. Cyo: I think it's $100, but I got mine cheap
onlist. Wheel build $50 and spokes no more than $50 if you go fancy.
Total before tax or shipping: $200. I get the builder to also take
apart and lube and adjust the bearings, having heard that Shimano
dynohubs fail quickly if you don't do this -- BQ somewhere.

So --- just $60. Hell, that's only 10 boutique beers  or five
fifths of cheap bourbon.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:38 AM, charlie  wrote:
> Yea, I ran the numbers tonight and with high quality Sanyo batteries,
> a quality charger plus two 2 Watt lights it ended up around $140
> so..this means I would only need $350 more for what I really want.
> I just can't settle for less, unless its way less. I just don't want
> to spend money twice. I do this often and regret it later. I
> compromise and find out later I should have purchased what I wanted. I
> nearly always end up doing so later wasting the initial money I spent
> in the first place. I can see myself using a generator hub of quality
> and riding more because I have one.  Maybe some of you can explain the
> real world realizationsyou had after getting a Son hub or..did any
> of you find out that you really didn't need such a fancy setup?
>
> On Oct 6, 6:40 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> I just had a Shimano DN something (disk model) or another built into
>> an existing rim for $150 including six bolt rotor adaptor. Add $100
>> for a Cyo: $250 plus tax or plus shipping, take your choice. Not as
>> cheap as a Blaze, but not $500, either.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, charlie  wrote:
>> > I use the inexpensive Planet bike 1 watt light and have used two of
>> > them mounted on my bar. These seem to have enough brightness for me to
>> > see fine up to about 18 mph. I'd love a Son 28 built on a A719 rim to
>> > match my back wheel but this combo with the lights is over $500. I can
>> > buy two 2 watt Plant bike lights for around $100 and get some AA
>> > rechargeable batteries and be fine I think. My 1 watt PB light is as
>> > bright as my Fenex L2d flashlight in the standard high power mode (107
>> > lumens) so two 2 watt lights ought to be plenty. The only problem I
>> > can see is that these lights are not the best for oncoming traffic
>> > like the generator lamps are and some of the battery powered German
>> > made lamps.
>>
>> --
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>> Albuquerque, NM
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>> Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread Brian Hanson 
http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenAcorn#5451356917401658050

This is one way to mount a "normal" bar-mounted light on a wald.  I've had
good luck with a cork and 3 zip-ties.

Brian
Seattle, WA

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> For those of you that are replying - do any of you use a Wald front
> basket with your light?  If so - how is it mounted?  I'd love to have
> a light mounted in front of the basket, preferably above/on the fender
> - but I never could figure out a way to make it work with the
> NiteRider.
>
> On Oct 5, 6:44 am, "[email protected]"  wrote:
> > Looking for light recommendations for use in my ride in the early
> > morning hours, about a 10 mile ride on dark rural roads.  I am looking
> > for suggestions by Riv owners for lights that work with their setups.
> > I am a longtime owner/user of the NightRider "classic", which was ok,
> > although I never liked the gunky coax-like cabling, but the 3 ton
> > battery has finally given out and I'm ready for something new,
> > hopefully lighter in weight, and brighter, if possible...LED's?.  Does
> > anyone still use generator type lights?
> >
> > Since this is not really RBW related, please email your suggestions
> > offline!
> >
> > Cheers
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:24 -0700, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>>
>> I still commute on Bleriot.  In a few days the light will come on and
>> stay on.  And I'm happy it is there.  Completely reliable.  I do not
>> expect it to EVER fail.  The beauty of a generator light is that you
>> never have to "ration" turning it on.  Ever.
>
> And you never ever have to remember to charge it, or keep track of when
> it's time to recharge.  I used to get 3 trips on a recharge of the
> NiteRider battery, which over time became 2 1/2 trips - hence the
> resonance with your comment about "rationing".
>
> The worst part of my commute was 1 1/2 miles from the end, where the
> bike trail goes under the bridges on the GW Parkway, the railroad line
> and Rt 1.  There are lights, but there were several years when they
> weren't working, and at night under those bridges with rip-rap on one
> side of a narrow bike path and the guard rail and the Four Mile Run on
> the other side, it's dark as the inside of your pocket and a certain
> crash if you misjudge.  I dreaded having the light go dim down there,
> and it happened more than once.
>
> I love generator lights.
>

I have one on the tandem and one on the atlantis. I've debated getting
another for the rom but I almost always ride the atlantis if i'm
riding at night.

The remark that made me the happiest about my headlight was when I was
riding up behind some folks walking who turned when I was passing them
and said "wow, I thought you were some sort of motorcycle from that
light"


-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:24 -0700, Lynne Fitz wrote:
> 
> I still commute on Bleriot.  In a few days the light will come on and
> stay on.  And I'm happy it is there.  Completely reliable.  I do not
> expect it to EVER fail.  The beauty of a generator light is that you
> never have to "ration" turning it on.  Ever.

And you never ever have to remember to charge it, or keep track of when
it's time to recharge.  I used to get 3 trips on a recharge of the
NiteRider battery, which over time became 2 1/2 trips - hence the
resonance with your comment about "rationing".  

The worst part of my commute was 1 1/2 miles from the end, where the
bike trail goes under the bridges on the GW Parkway, the railroad line
and Rt 1.  There are lights, but there were several years when they
weren't working, and at night under those bridges with rip-rap on one
side of a narrow bike path and the guard rail and the Four Mile Run on
the other side, it's dark as the inside of your pocket and a certain
crash if you misjudge.  I dreaded having the light go dim down there,
and it happened more than once.

I love generator lights.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
I just had a Shimano DN something (disk model) or another built into
an existing rim for $150 including six bolt rotor adaptor. Add $100
for a Cyo: $250 plus tax or plus shipping, take your choice. Not as
cheap as a Blaze, but not $500, either.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, charlie  wrote:
> I use the inexpensive Planet bike 1 watt light and have used two of
> them mounted on my bar. These seem to have enough brightness for me to
> see fine up to about 18 mph. I'd love a Son 28 built on a A719 rim to
> match my back wheel but this combo with the lights is over $500. I can
> buy two 2 watt Plant bike lights for around $100 and get some AA
> rechargeable batteries and be fine I think. My 1 watt PB light is as
> bright as my Fenex L2d flashlight in the standard high power mode (107
> lumens) so two 2 watt lights ought to be plenty. The only problem I
> can see is that these lights are not the best for oncoming traffic
> like the generator lamps are and some of the battery powered German
> made lamps.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread CycloFiend 
on 10/5/10 7:30 AM, Michael_S at [email protected] wrote:

> I've been using the Dinotte 200 AA model which uses 4 NiMh
> rechargables. It is a bright 200 lumen light and has a very clean
> beam. The only drawback is the 2 hour run time at full power. You can
> carry an extra set of battries for longer night rides.

Ride-buddy Carlos had a nice hack for the Dinotte 200 -

http://bike.duque.net/dinotte-5w-hack.htm

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-06 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 5, 11:38 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Agree: I myself am a convert to dyno lights; IMO, a Shimano dynohub
>> and an IQ Cyo are a value/performance combination that can't be beat.
>
> the Sanyo dynohub costs only $40.  relative performance with the
> schmidt/shimano hub is probably insignificant for the OP's 10 mile
> commute.   I bet a complete wheel and IQ cyo could be had for around
> $225.
>

Long leaf cycles has the sanyo built into a velocity twin hollow for $112

The cyo for $104

That's $216 + shipping.

You can also get the
http://www.longleafbicycles.com/products/dynohubs-and-lighting/dynamo-headlights/busch-muller-lyt/

lyt plus which supposedly has good output for the price - at $47

you can get a whole kit for $159 + shipping

sounds like a deal.

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
Another thing to think about in considering a dynamo hub is that there are 
charger accessories that connect to the hub which will allow you to charge 
virtually anything on long tours.  I used a Pedal Power charger from Peter 
White Cycles to keep my iPhone charged on a recent tour, and it worked 
perfectly -- allowed us to use the iPhone as a nav system all day long without 
(obviously) access to a wall outlet.  Works for cameras and I'm sure a whole 
bunch of other things I haven't thought of. There are a couple of pics on the 
Atlantis set I linked to in my earlier message.

-Original Message-
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:53 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

I have a SON 20 dynamo hub with a Supernova E3 and Supernova taillight on my 
Atlantis.  It is a spectacular combination.  I have it mounted on the front of 
a Nitto front Camper rack, which has a medium Wald basket mounted 
longitudinally on it; the light mounted easily with one mounting bolt and no 
adapters required.  It provides a very bright beam, with no discernable drag, 
and both hub and light are quite beautiful.  Here's a link to my Atlantis set 
on my Flickr page, which show how it's mounted. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755/ 

There's also a picture of the taillight, which is VERY bright (though tiny).  I 
also use a blinking battery taillight to maximize attention, but the Supernova 
taillight by itself would certainly be more than adequate.  

It's really a pleasure never to have to worry about light batteries and 
chargers on this bike.  On my other bikes, I use Exposure MaxxD rechargeable 
LED lights.  They are if anything even brighter than the Supernova, but they 
have to be charged, and they're significantly more expensive than the Supernova 
(or, more accurately, about the same as the hub PLUS the Supernova).  I prefer 
the SON/Supernova setup. 

-Original Message-
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:39 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Lights

For those of you that are replying - do any of you use a Wald front basket with 
your light?  If so - how is it mounted?  I'd love to have a light mounted in 
front of the basket, preferably above/on the fender
- but I never could figure out a way to make it work with the NiteRider.

On Oct 5, 6:44 am, "[email protected]"  wrote:
> Looking for light recommendations for use in my ride in the early 
> morning hours, about a 10 mile ride on dark rural roads.  I am looking 
> for suggestions by Riv owners for lights that work with their setups.
> I am a longtime owner/user of the NightRider "classic", which was ok, 
> although I never liked the gunky coax-like cabling, but the 3 ton 
> battery has finally given out and I'm ready for something new, 
> hopefully lighter in weight, and brighter, if possible...LED's?.  Does 
> anyone still use generator type lights?
>
> Since this is not really RBW related, please email your suggestions 
> offline!
>
> Cheers

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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J 
I have a SON 20 dynamo hub with a Supernova E3 and Supernova taillight on my 
Atlantis.  It is a spectacular combination.  I have it mounted on the front of 
a Nitto front Camper rack, which has a medium Wald basket mounted 
longitudinally on it; the light mounted easily with one mounting bolt and no 
adapters required.  It provides a very bright beam, with no discernable drag, 
and both hub and light are quite beautiful.  Here's a link to my Atlantis set 
on my Flickr page, which show how it's mounted. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542...@n04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755/ 

There's also a picture of the taillight, which is VERY bright (though tiny).  I 
also use a blinking battery taillight to maximize attention, but the Supernova 
taillight by itself would certainly be more than adequate.  

It's really a pleasure never to have to worry about light batteries and 
chargers on this bike.  On my other bikes, I use Exposure MaxxD rechargeable 
LED lights.  They are if anything even brighter than the Supernova, but they 
have to be charged, and they're significantly more expensive than the Supernova 
(or, more accurately, about the same as the hub PLUS the Supernova).  I prefer 
the SON/Supernova setup. 

-Original Message-
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:39 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Lights

For those of you that are replying - do any of you use a Wald front basket with 
your light?  If so - how is it mounted?  I'd love to have a light mounted in 
front of the basket, preferably above/on the fender
- but I never could figure out a way to make it work with the NiteRider.

On Oct 5, 6:44 am, "[email protected]"  wrote:
> Looking for light recommendations for use in my ride in the early 
> morning hours, about a 10 mile ride on dark rural roads.  I am looking 
> for suggestions by Riv owners for lights that work with their setups.
> I am a longtime owner/user of the NightRider "classic", which was ok, 
> although I never liked the gunky coax-like cabling, but the 3 ton 
> battery has finally given out and I'm ready for something new, 
> hopefully lighter in weight, and brighter, if possible...LED's?.  Does 
> anyone still use generator type lights?
>
> Since this is not really RBW related, please email your suggestions 
> offline!
>
> Cheers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights

2010-10-05 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:39 AM, [email protected]  wrote:
> For those of you that are replying - do any of you use a Wald front
> basket with your light?  If so - how is it mounted?  I'd love to have
> a light mounted in front of the basket, preferably above/on the fender
> - but I never could figure out a way to make it work with the
>

I have the wald mounted on the nitto mini front rack with the cyo light.
It mounts off the reflector/light mount on the front of the nitto rack.

-sv

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