Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Steve Palincsar 

On 06/02/2015 04:06 PM, Ron Mc wrote:

gorgeous ride


Thanks.  Mitch Pryor does marvelous work, and as you can tell from the 
tests in BQ, they perform as well as they look.





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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
gorgeous ride

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:49:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Tim Gavin 
I use "cross top" / interrupter brake levers on both of my Nitto
B135-equipped bikes without discomfort, and I have bad wrists.

But I just use that position--and those brakes--for upright cruising.  I'm
in the drops about 90% of the time (bars at seat level).

I suppose I can say that I love the Rando bars for their flare, not for
their upward sweep.

I'd love a bar with the same flare through the drops as the B135/132, but
with the rearward sweep of the Noodle B177.

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
cross levers, btw are serious brakes - they give you more leverage and less 
squirm than road levers

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:52:32 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> I did also, eventually.  In my case it took a panic stop in traffic, 
> going down the hill on Wisconsin Ave in Georgetown towards K St. 
> Bottomed out the levers and the stopped car in front just kept getting 
> closer and larger and of course, once you are committed there's no way 
> to switch from the suicide levers to the regular ones, you just have to 
> ride it out and hope.  Fortunately, I did stop, about a foot from his 
> bumper.   Took them off and threw them away as soon as I got home. 
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Steve Palincsar 

On 06/02/2015 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
fair enough.  First thing I did on my old Raleigh was remove those 
levers and add gum hoods.


I did also, eventually.  In my case it took a panic stop in traffic, 
going down the hill on Wisconsin Ave in Georgetown towards K St. 
Bottomed out the levers and the stopped car in front just kept getting 
closer and larger and of course, once you are committed there's no way 
to switch from the suicide levers to the regular ones, you just have to 
ride it out and hope.  Fortunately, I did stop, about a foot from his 
bumper.   Took them off and threw them away as soon as I got home.


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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
fair enough.  First thing I did on my old Raleigh was remove those levers 
and add gum hoods.  
found this photo of my buddy's Dahon - it came with cross levers and the 
Ritchie WCS bar




On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:34:12 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote
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> phrase meant, being profoundly ignorant of cyclocross.  When you described 
> it, I recognized it as a position I have been using for the past 43 years 
> and more, initially aided with these things, now commonly known as "suicide 
> levers":
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
there's a fine line between interrogatory and taking to task, separated by 
whether the answer is already known. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:00:09 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Steve Palincsar 

On 06/02/2015 07:54 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
it's a convenient name, since interruptor levers are also known as 
cross brakes - the hand position that warrants use of these brakes.


Oh, "on the bar top."   Long pre-dates interrupter levers.


 My daughter mostly rides there, sometimes on the hoods, never on the 
drops, but I think she likes the style of the drops.




Her friend, my buddy's daughter, went out and bought a late 90s Gitane 
long-trail racing frame just to build up a similar styled bike.





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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
it's a convenient name, since interruptor levers are also known as cross 
brakes - the hand position that warrants use of these brakes.  My daughter 
mostly rides there, sometimes on the hoods, never on the drops, but I think 
she likes the style of the drops.  


Her friend, my buddy's daughter, went out and bought a late 90s Gitane 
long-trail racing frame just to build up a similar styled bike.  

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> cyclocross?  I've never heard the phrase before. 
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Steve Palincsar 

On 06/02/2015 07:37 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
Jason, my buddy's Dahon Tournado came with WCS (in silver - bike shops 
drool over them) - very nice bars.


I don't have a place for rando bars, either.  What they're really good 
for is bringing hood position higher on shorter (vertical) stems. The 
rise on the end of the bars eliminates a cross hand position, since it 
twists your wrists unnaturally backwards.

Noodles drop on the ends, giving you a natural cross position


By "cross position" are you referring to something related to 
cyclocross?  I've never heard the phrase before.



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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc 
Jason, my buddy's Dahon Tournado came with WCS (in silver - bike shops 
drool over them) - very nice bars.  

I don't have a place for rando bars, either.  What they're really good for 
is bringing hood position higher on shorter (vertical) stems. The rise on 
the end of the bars eliminates a cross hand position, since it twists your 
wrists unnaturally backwards.  
Noodles drop on the ends, giving you a natural cross position.  


  

Jim, my buddy has Salsa Woodchippers on his tandem - super wide with midge 
drops.  


On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:52:47 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
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> I would like to offer an alternative view to the rando bar love fest.  I 
> tried some "48" cm VO rando bars on my tandem and I hated them.  The ramps 
> are much narrower than the drops and that is useless for someone like me 
> who's large and really needs to have a wide hand position at all times.
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-01 Thread Jim Bronson 
I would like to offer an alternative view to the rando bar love fest.  I
tried some "48" cm VO rando bars on my tandem and I hated them.  The ramps
are much narrower than the drops and that is useless for someone like me
who's large and really needs to have a wide hand position at all times.
On Jun 1, 2015 9:42 AM, "Jayme Frye"  wrote:

> Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always
> stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I
> like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a
> hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better
> school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps
> and more flair at the drops?
>
> Jayme
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-01 Thread Montclair BobbyB 
I'm a fresh convert to the VO Randonneur bars. They're available 42cm to 50cm 
wide (I've got the 50s and like them even more than my 48cm Noodles)

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-01 Thread Ron Mc 
Modern bike has a good selection of Nitto with good drawings, and have both 
model Nitto Randos...
http://www.modernbike.com/nitto-drop-handlebars

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:55:49 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
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> If you mean flare instead of flair 
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> Nitto B132/135 Randonneur bars may be what you're looking for.  The B132 
> and B135 have curvy tops like the noodle, but more flare through the drops. 
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> The B132 has more reach (longer flats behind the hoods) and the B135 has 
> shorter reach.  I prefer the B135 (long top tube frame), and I find it has 
> plenty of space behind the hoods.  The corners, flats, and hoods are three 
> distinct positions.
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> I use the B132 with the Tektro TRP RRL bars on my KOM (1 
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> 2 
> ,
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> 3 
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> and my Riv 
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> This bikeforums post 
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> has a great depiction of the B132, B135, and B177 Noodle.
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> Pro: the B132/135 are usually cheaper than the Noodle bars.  Con:  they're 
> available in fewer widths.  I'm happy with the 42 cm width B135s (42 at the 
> hoods, wider at the ends after the flare).
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> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
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> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Jayme Frye  > wrote:
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>> Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always 
>> stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I 
>> like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a 
>> hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better 
>> school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps 
>> and more flair at the drops? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

2015-06-01 Thread Tim Gavin 
If you mean flare instead of flair



;-)

Nitto B132/135 Randonneur bars may be what you're looking for.  The B132
and B135 have curvy tops like the noodle, but more flare through the drops.


The B132 has more reach (longer flats behind the hoods) and the B135 has
shorter reach.  I prefer the B135 (long top tube frame), and I find it has
plenty of space behind the hoods.  The corners, flats, and hoods are three
distinct positions.

I use the B132 with the Tektro TRP RRL bars on my KOM (1
,
2
,
3
)
and my Riv

.

This bikeforums post

has a great depiction of the B132, B135, and B177 Noodle.

Pro: the B132/135 are usually cheaper than the Noodle bars.  Con:  they're
available in fewer widths.  I'm happy with the 42 cm width B135s (42 at the
hoods, wider at the ends after the flare).

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Jayme Frye  wrote:

> Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always
> stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I
> like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a
> hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better
> school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps
> and more flair at the drops?
>
>

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