subject:"Re\: \[RBW\] Beware Blue Lug"

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-29 Thread Stephen A

I have given up trying to anticipate what/how the fees will work, I just 
expect to pay the extra tax nowadays =[. 

My experience has been, when there is a Import duty, its always been paid 
to the shipper (USPS/Fedex/DHL/etc). USPS for example will require the 
payment before they drop off, DHL claims they won't drop off until payment 
is sent, and Fedex will invoice you after the fact. So far most everything 
this year has had some kind of Tariff I never had to pay for prior. On the 
flip side, I kind of doubt the shippers have setup a mechanism to deal with 
unpaid invoices. Likely their strategy will be to sell the debt to a 
collections agency or something.
On Monday, December 29, 2025 at 12:30:33 PM UTC-8 Steven Seelig wrote:

> As of today, FedEx doesn't know what FedEx is doing.  The first package 
> came from the UK and I got the bill and did not pay.  A second package came 
> from a German vendor and I got no bill.  A third package came from the UK 
> and I got the bill and did not pay.
>
> I am of the belief that their internal protocols are not strong enough to 
> deal with these issues on packages that used to be under the tariff value, 
> which I think was $600 pre-Trump.  
>
> The biggest question is whether any interest would be imposed if they ever 
> catch up to me and then refuse to deliver anything to me ever because I am 
> on the tariff-averse list of scofflaws.  I'm a gambler on this one.
>
> On Monday, December 29, 2025 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> My only fear of not paying FedEx or UPS is if they refuse to deliver in 
>> the future due to nonpayment. I've been ordering from Japan and Europe a 
>> lot, so don't necessarily want to risk it. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 24, 2025 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>>> I have ordered bikey items from the UK that were quickly delivered to me 
>>> and later and got the bill from FedEx.  My position is that the tariffs are 
>>> illegal and that FedEx ultimately will be able to recoup that cost, 
>>> assuming the Supreme Court decision comes out as I expect.  At that point, 
>>> FedEx will file for a refund and then, if I paid them, I'd have to chase 
>>> them down for a refund.  So I am standing pat and will wait and see how 
>>> this plays out.
>>>
>>> FedEx really could have dealt with this issue by not delivering the 
>>> items to me until In paid them.  Now, their letter makes it seem like I am 
>>> at fault for that not happening.
>>>
>>> Others may differ on this, but frankly I see no moral obligation to pay 
>>> something that is blatantly illegal.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal 
 mail. It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx 
 charged me after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.

 On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:

> I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from 
> Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra 
> charges. 
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at 
>> that time. 
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  
>> wrote:
>>
>> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my 
>> search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>>
>> "Hi Drew!
>>
>> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
>> said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as 
>> of 
>> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
>> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>>
>>
>>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>>
>>
>> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>>
>> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build 
>> up a bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>>
>> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should 
>> be tariff exempt under USMCA."
>>
>> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
>> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>>
>> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
>> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> You just can’

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-29 Thread 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch

As of today, FedEx doesn't know what FedEx is doing.  The first package 
came from the UK and I got the bill and did not pay.  A second package came 
from a German vendor and I got no bill.  A third package came from the UK 
and I got the bill and did not pay.

I am of the belief that their internal protocols are not strong enough to 
deal with these issues on packages that used to be under the tariff value, 
which I think was $600 pre-Trump.  

The biggest question is whether any interest would be imposed if they ever 
catch up to me and then refuse to deliver anything to me ever because I am 
on the tariff-averse list of scofflaws.  I'm a gambler on this one.

On Monday, December 29, 2025 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> My only fear of not paying FedEx or UPS is if they refuse to deliver in 
> the future due to nonpayment. I've been ordering from Japan and Europe a 
> lot, so don't necessarily want to risk it. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 24, 2025 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> I have ordered bikey items from the UK that were quickly delivered to me 
>> and later and got the bill from FedEx.  My position is that the tariffs are 
>> illegal and that FedEx ultimately will be able to recoup that cost, 
>> assuming the Supreme Court decision comes out as I expect.  At that point, 
>> FedEx will file for a refund and then, if I paid them, I'd have to chase 
>> them down for a refund.  So I am standing pat and will wait and see how 
>> this plays out.
>>
>> FedEx really could have dealt with this issue by not delivering the items 
>> to me until In paid them.  Now, their letter makes it seem like I am at 
>> fault for that not happening.
>>
>> Others may differ on this, but frankly I see no moral obligation to pay 
>> something that is blatantly illegal.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal 
>>> mail. It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx 
>>> charged me after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:
>>>
 I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from 
 Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra 
 charges. 

 On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at 
> that time. 
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  
> wrote:
>
> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my 
> search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>
> "Hi Drew!
>
> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
> said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as 
> of 
> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>
>
>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>
>
> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>
> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build 
> up a bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>
> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>
> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>
> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff 
>> thing. /s 
>>
>> Brian 
>> Lexington KY
>
>
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spent $200 at blue lug in early december. no additional charges have come my way. On Dec 29, 2025, at 10:24 AM, Jim Schultz wrote:My only fear of not paying FedEx or UPS is if they refuse to deliver in the future due to nonpayment. I've been ordering from Japan and Europe a lot, so don't necessarily want to risk it. On Wednesday, December 24, 2025 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:I have ordered bikey items from the UK that were quickly delivered to me and later and got the bill from FedEx. My position is that the tariffs are illegal and that FedEx ultimately will be able to recoup that cost, assuming the Supreme Court decision comes out as I expect. At that point, FedEx will file for a refund and then, if I paid them, I'd have to chase them down for a refund. So I am standing pat and will wait and see how this plays out.FedEx really could have dealt with this issue by not delivering the items to me until In paid them. Now, their letter makes it seem like I am at fault for that not happening.Others may differ on this, but frankly I see no moral obligation to pay something that is blatantly illegal.On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal mail. It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx charged me after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that time. PatOn Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette wrote:In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:"Hi Drew!We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50Brokerage processing fees are $50So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a bike that he believes it's exempt: "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be tariff exempt under USMCA."Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!- DrewOn Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s

Brian
Lexington KY

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-29 Thread Jim Schultz

My only fear of not paying FedEx or UPS is if they refuse to deliver in the 
future due to nonpayment. I've been ordering from Japan and Europe a lot, 
so don't necessarily want to risk it. 

On Wednesday, December 24, 2025 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:

> I have ordered bikey items from the UK that were quickly delivered to me 
> and later and got the bill from FedEx.  My position is that the tariffs are 
> illegal and that FedEx ultimately will be able to recoup that cost, 
> assuming the Supreme Court decision comes out as I expect.  At that point, 
> FedEx will file for a refund and then, if I paid them, I'd have to chase 
> them down for a refund.  So I am standing pat and will wait and see how 
> this plays out.
>
> FedEx really could have dealt with this issue by not delivering the items 
> to me until In paid them.  Now, their letter makes it seem like I am at 
> fault for that not happening.
>
> Others may differ on this, but frankly I see no moral obligation to pay 
> something that is blatantly illegal.
>
> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal 
>> mail. It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx 
>> charged me after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:
>>
>>> I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from 
>>> Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra 
>>> charges. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that 
 time. 

 Pat


 On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  
 wrote:

 In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my 
 search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:

 "Hi Drew!

 We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
 said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as 
 of 
 August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
 your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:


- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
- Brokerage processing fees are $50


 So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."

 That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build 
 up a bike that he believes it's exempt: 

 "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
 tariff exempt under USMCA."

 Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
 morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...

 They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
 complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!

 - Drew

 On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff 
> thing. /s 
>
> Brian 
> Lexington KY


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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-24 Thread 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have ordered bikey items from the UK that were quickly delivered to me 
and later and got the bill from FedEx.  My position is that the tariffs are 
illegal and that FedEx ultimately will be able to recoup that cost, 
assuming the Supreme Court decision comes out as I expect.  At that point, 
FedEx will file for a refund and then, if I paid them, I'd have to chase 
them down for a refund.  So I am standing pat and will wait and see how 
this plays out.

FedEx really could have dealt with this issue by not delivering the items 
to me until In paid them.  Now, their letter makes it seem like I am at 
fault for that not happening.

Others may differ on this, but frankly I see no moral obligation to pay 
something that is blatantly illegal.

On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal 
> mail. It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx 
> charged me after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.
>
> On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:
>
>> I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue 
>> Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that 
>>> time. 
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:
>>>
>>> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my 
>>> search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>>>
>>> "Hi Drew!
>>>
>>> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
>>> said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
>>> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
>>> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>>>
>>>
>>>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>>>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>>>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>>>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>>>
>>>
>>> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>>>
>>> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up 
>>> a bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>>>
>>> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
>>> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
>>> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>>>
>>> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
>>> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>>>
>>> - Drew
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>
 You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff 
 thing. /s 

 Brian 
 Lexington KY
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Cheng-Hong Li

FedEx will send the Trump tax (aka tariffs) bill separately in postal mail. 
It may take up to 2 weeks to arrive. At least that’s how FedEx charged me 
after I received my Blue Lug order in Oct.

On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 2:29:49 AM UTC-5 kw wrote:

> I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue 
> Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. 
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that 
>> time. 
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:
>>
>> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search 
>> for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>>
>> "Hi Drew!
>>
>> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
>> said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
>> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
>> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>>
>>
>>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>>
>>
>> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>>
>> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up 
>> a bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>>
>> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
>> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>>
>> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
>> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>>
>> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
>> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. 
>>> /s 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>> Lexington KY
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Mike Rossi

My current theory on tariff/no tariff is which state one resides in. (Blue vs. Red last election)



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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Drew Fitchette

Seconding Brian's post here. Should read "Beware Tariffs" or "Beware 
ordering from abroad"

I too have ordered some small packages from Blue Lug(grips, frame pad, 
Fairweather poncho) and avoided the tariff bill thus far. 

Similarly ordered a shirt/hat from Probably Riding and it shipped from 
Korea with no additional tariff/duty. Kind of makes you wonder why some are 
getting dinged and some aren't...? 

On Tuesday, December 23, 2025 at 7:25:06 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> I still really hate that the title of this thread is “Beware Blue Lug”. If 
> you don’t bother reading through the comments, it unfairly insinuates that 
> Blue Lug (an amazing bike shop and important Rivendell partner) has done 
> something untoward. When it really just concerns the negative consequences 
> of a short-sighted and ridiculous trade policy by the current US 
> administration.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
>
> On Dec 23, 2025, at 2:29 AM, kw  wrote:
>
> I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue 
> Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that 
>> time. 
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:
>>
>> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search 
>> for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>>
>> "Hi Drew!
>>
>> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That 
>> said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
>> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
>> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>>
>>
>>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>>
>>
>> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>>
>> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up 
>> a bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>>
>> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
>> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>>
>> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
>> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>>
>> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
>> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. 
>>> /s 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Richard Rose

THIS!Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 23, 2025, at 7:25 AM, Brian Turner wrote:I still really hate that the title of this thread is “Beware Blue Lug”. If you don’t bother reading through the comments, it unfairly insinuates that Blue Lug (an amazing bike shop and important Rivendell partner) has done something untoward. When it really just concerns the negative consequences of a short-sighted and ridiculous trade policy by the current US administration.BrianLexington KYOn Dec 23, 2025, at 2:29 AM, kw wrote:I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that time. PatOn Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette wrote:In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:"Hi Drew!We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50Brokerage processing fees are $50So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a bike that he believes it's exempt: "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be tariff exempt under USMCA."Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!- DrewOn Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s

Brian
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Richard Rose

I ordered two Simworks Homage tires from BlueLug. FYI; $42.00 each vs. $68.00 from Simworks. They shipped for $24.00 & arrived in 4 days! I received a bill from FedEx for $17.10 to cover tariffs a couple of weeks after receiving tires. All in the tires are STILL less expensive than Simworks. But wow, sure glad I got my Gus from C&L before trump.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 23, 2025, at 7:25 AM, Brian Turner wrote:I still really hate that the title of this thread is “Beware Blue Lug”. If you don’t bother reading through the comments, it unfairly insinuates that Blue Lug (an amazing bike shop and important Rivendell partner) has done something untoward. When it really just concerns the negative consequences of a short-sighted and ridiculous trade policy by the current US administration.BrianLexington KYOn Dec 23, 2025, at 2:29 AM, kw wrote:I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that time. PatOn Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette wrote:In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:"Hi Drew!We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50Brokerage processing fees are $50So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a bike that he believes it's exempt: "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be tariff exempt under USMCA."Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!- DrewOn Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s

Brian
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-23 Thread Brian Turner

I still really hate that the title of this thread is “Beware Blue Lug”. If you don’t bother reading through the comments, it unfairly insinuates that Blue Lug (an amazing bike shop and important Rivendell partner) has done something untoward. When it really just concerns the negative consequences of a short-sighted and ridiculous trade policy by the current US administration.BrianLexington KYOn Dec 23, 2025, at 2:29 AM, kw  wrote:I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that time. PatOn Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:"Hi Drew!We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50Brokerage processing fees are $50So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a bike that he believes it's exempt: "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be tariff exempt under USMCA."Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!- DrewOn Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-12-22 Thread kw

I have now received two separate orders in mid to late December from Blue 
Lug containing shifters, cable/housing, saddle and had zero extra charges. 

On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 6:55:10 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that 
> time. 
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:
>
> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search 
> for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>
> "Hi Drew!
>
> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, 
> due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>
>
>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>
>
> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>
> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a 
> bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>
> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>
> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>
> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. 
>> /s 
>>
>> Brian 
>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-30 Thread Patrick McCullar

I bought a Homer frame from BlueLug in July and paid 16% tariff at that time. 

Pat


> On Oct 30, 2025, at 8:36 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:
> 
> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search for 
> a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
> 
> "Hi Drew!
> 
> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, 
> due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of August 
> 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on your behalf 
> before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
> 
> The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the country of 
> origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
> The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
> Brokerage processing fees are $50
> 
> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
> 
> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a 
> bike that he believes it's exempt: 
> 
> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be tariff 
> exempt under USMCA."
> 
> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning 
> the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
> 
> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a complete 
> that might be something Riv is currently out of!
> 
> - Drew
> 
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s 
>> 
>> Brian 
>> Lexington KY
> 
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-30 Thread Dan Scott

Bought a Hilsen frame in early Sept from Blue Lug and I’m one of the 
unlucky ones that got tariff bill from FedEx prior to delivery. 

On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 11:36:08 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
wrote:

> In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search 
> for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:
>
> "Hi Drew!
>
> We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, 
> due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
> August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
> your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:
>
>
>- The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
>country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
>- The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
>- Brokerage processing fees are $50
>
>
> So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."
>
> That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a 
> bike that he believes it's exempt: 
>
> "About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
> tariff exempt under USMCA."
>
> Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this 
> morning the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...
>
> They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
> complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. 
>> /s 
>>
>> Brian 
>> Lexington KY
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-30 Thread Drew Fitchette

In my trying to get answers on tariffs from Canada vs. Japan in my search 
for a Homer frame, Julian from C&L broke it down like this:

"Hi Drew!

We'll gladly ship to the USA, our flat rate for frames is $250. That said, 
due to the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the US government as of 
August 7th, we’ll need to collect duty and brokerage to remit to CBP on 
your behalf before shipping. Here’s the breakdown, all prices in $CAD:

   - The reciprocal tariff rate for Taiwanese products (which is the 
   country of origin for the frame) is 20%, so $500
   - The general duty rate for frames is 3.9%, so $97.50
   - Brokerage processing fees are $50

So in this case you’d be looking at a total of $3147.50."

That being said, He also informed me that if I was to have them build up a 
bike that he believes it's exempt: 

"About your question - a Rivendell frame built up in Canada should be 
tariff exempt under USMCA."

Unfortunately, somehow between talking to Julian yesterday and this morning 
the Homer in my size sold so I wasn't able to consider it...

They've got some other Riv frames in stock though if anyone wanted a 
complete that might be something Riv is currently out of!

- Drew

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 7:27:44 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Brian Turner

You just can’t disparage the folks who initiated the whole tariff thing. /s

Brian
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Mathias Steiner

I think Ben is right on the merits...

..but on the other hand, when the thread originally popped up, I went 
WHAT??? and had to read it. 
Just because it sounded so wrong. 
And sure enough, people were singing BL's praises in every post.
I'd be surprised if I were the only one so sucked in.

So maybe the clickbait-y title actually helps, and there's really no such 
thing as bad publicity? 
Given the nature of this group, it probably didn't do any damage.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:

> I agree with Ben...
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Eric Floden

>
> I agree with Ben...

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Ben Miller

Although there is some very useful info and discussion in this thread, 
because of the name "Beware Blue Lug," I wish it would die. 

It breaks my heart when it keeps popping up here because:

   1. Blue Lug is perhaps the coolest bike shop and collection of bike 
   positive people out there. Definitely not something to "Beware!"
   2. None of this is Blue Lug's fault. Nor is it limited to Blue Lug. I 
   ordered a stem from Alex Cycle's (another great purveyor of fine bikes 
   parts in Japan) and got hit with tariff's. I had my LBS (Scenic Routes in 
   SF) order me a Gilles Berthoud saddle and again tariffs. 

I vote further discussion of tariffs from Blue Lug or other foreign shops 
be on a new thread. Maybe "Were you unlucky enough to get hit with a 
Tariff" or "On the Capricious Nature of Bike Tariffs and their uneven 
application". Or mayhaps the just the succinct title of "Bike Tariffs."

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 1:08:17 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
wrote:

> I bought a Nitto stem from BL and got charged an additional $20 via FedEx, 
> so looks to be about 20% additional. 
>
> L
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:10 AM Donzaemon  wrote:
>
>> I’m stoked for those who haven’t gotten a bill. There’s been some 
>> discussion on this topic on r/xbiking and folks have been getting bills 
>> shortly after taking receipt of their packages. I, myself, got a bill from 
>> FedEx two weeks after receiving a frame from Blue Lug towards the end of 
>> July. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:59:18 AM UTC-7 Bryan H wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, this is encouraging to hear!
>>>
>>> Bryan 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 09:55 Mike Rossi  wrote:
>>>
 I’ve been ordering consistently from Blue Lug since this tariff thing 
 with no tariff charges. Just got a ~$400 from them a week ago, and still 
 no 
 extra charges. I think as long as you’re getting it shipped to your 
 residential address you’ll be fine. But a frame set to an LBS will get you 
 extra customs(?) charges.
 Mike

 On Oct 29, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

 

 Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.

 On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:

 
 I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the 
 "government shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?

 EricF
 PTBO ON

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:

> I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - 
> ordered a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and 
> nothing 
> ever materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in 
> about 
> 3 days. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Lucia Matioli

I bought a Nitto stem from BL and got charged an additional $20 via FedEx,
so looks to be about 20% additional.

L

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:10 AM Donzaemon  wrote:

> I’m stoked for those who haven’t gotten a bill. There’s been some
> discussion on this topic on r/xbiking and folks have been getting bills
> shortly after taking receipt of their packages. I, myself, got a bill from
> FedEx two weeks after receiving a frame from Blue Lug towards the end of
> July.
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:59:18 AM UTC-7 Bryan H wrote:
>
>> Awesome, this is encouraging to hear!
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 09:55 Mike Rossi  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been ordering consistently from Blue Lug since this tariff thing
>>> with no tariff charges. Just got a ~$400 from them a week ago, and still no
>>> extra charges. I think as long as you’re getting it shipped to your
>>> residential address you’ll be fine. But a frame set to an LBS will get you
>>> extra customs(?) charges.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government
>>> shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> PTBO ON
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>>>
 I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago -
 ordered a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing
 ever materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about
 3 days.


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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Donzaemon

I’m stoked for those who haven’t gotten a bill. There’s been some 
discussion on this topic on r/xbiking and folks have been getting bills 
shortly after taking receipt of their packages. I, myself, got a bill from 
FedEx two weeks after receiving a frame from Blue Lug towards the end of 
July. 

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:59:18 AM UTC-7 Bryan H wrote:

> Awesome, this is encouraging to hear!
>
> Bryan 
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 09:55 Mike Rossi  wrote:
>
>> I’ve been ordering consistently from Blue Lug since this tariff thing 
>> with no tariff charges. Just got a ~$400 from them a week ago, and still no 
>> extra charges. I think as long as you’re getting it shipped to your 
>> residential address you’ll be fine. But a frame set to an LBS will get you 
>> extra customs(?) charges.
>> Mike
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government 
>> shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?
>>
>> EricF
>> PTBO ON
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>>> I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered 
>>> a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever 
>>> materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3 
>>> days. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Seung Vo

Awesome, this is encouraging to hear!

Bryan

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 09:55 Mike Rossi  wrote:

> I’ve been ordering consistently from Blue Lug since this tariff thing with
> no tariff charges. Just got a ~$400 from them a week ago, and still no
> extra charges. I think as long as you’re getting it shipped to your
> residential address you’ll be fine. But a frame set to an LBS will get you
> extra customs(?) charges.
> Mike
>
> On Oct 29, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.
>
> On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>
> 
> I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government
> shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?
>
> EricF
> PTBO ON
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>
>> I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered
>> a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever
>> materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3
>> days.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Mike Rossi

I’ve been ordering consistently from Blue Lug since this tariff thing with no tariff charges. Just got a ~$400 from them a week ago, and still no extra charges. I think as long as you’re getting it shipped to your residential address you’ll be fine. But a frame set to an LBS will get you extra customs(?) charges.MikeOn Oct 29, 2025, at 10:04 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden wrote:I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government shutdown " be delaying a tariff bill?EricFPTBO ONOn Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy wrote:I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3 days.

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Leah Peterson

Not in my case as it was too long ago. Dorothy, maybe.On Oct 29, 2025, at 9:43 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?EricFPTBO ONOn Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered a bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3 days. 




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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Eric Floden

I don't have a stake in this process but will ask, could the "government
shutdown " be delaying  a tariff bill?

EricF
PTBO ON

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025, 09:33 Justin Kennedy  wrote:

> I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered a
> bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever
> materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3
> days.
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Justin Kennedy

I had a similar experience to Leah and Dorothy a few weeks ago - ordered a 
bunch of clothing from them expecting to pay a tariff and nothing ever 
materialized from BL or the shipper (Fed Ex). Package arrived in about 3 
days. 

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
wrote:

> Let us know!
>
> On Oct 29, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I ordered a frame from Blue Lug late August and there was certainly 
> supposed to be a tariff. But that bill never came. Dorothy ordered the same 
> frame from Blue Lug a couple weeks ago and I don’t think she got charged 
> yet, either.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:03:39 AM UTC-4 Bryan H wrote:
>
>> Has anyone recently ordered from blue lug? I have about 300 dollars worth 
>> of small parts coming and am curious about how much i will get charged on 
>> tariffs. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-7 Evan Timms wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone. Seems things are in a state of flux. $308 
>>> isnt nothin...so I might skip the Blue Lug frame order at the moment. 
>>> Appreciate the feedback! This is a great online community. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 6:37 PM Pat McCullar  wrote:
>>>
 I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following 
 Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a 
 10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841. 

 It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase. 

 Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next 
 year, so I’m glad I got it now.

 Pat

 On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh  wrote:

> FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in 
> NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  
> you 
> might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:
>
>> Justin, 
>>
>> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. 
>> Do you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any 
>> other 
>> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>>
>> Evan
>> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped 
>>> Tuesday morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via 
>>> FedEx. 
>>> Same excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 FYI,

 Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the 
 international website; green and blue and all sizes available. 

 So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a 
 second chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and 
 tariffs. 

 I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.

 I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm 
 Pat, I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and 
 have 
 previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved 
 into 
 a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit 
 nuts. 



 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>>
>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very 
>> close. I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take 
>> themselves 
>> very seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no 
>> surprise that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
>> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and 
>> my last 
>> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced 
>> any 
>> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
>> something 
>> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices 
>> dropped a 
>> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering 
>> their 
>> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. 
>> The 
>> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to 
>> me that 
>> they are less

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Brenton Eastman

Let us know!On Oct 29, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I ordered a frame from Blue Lug late August and there was certainly supposed to be a tariff. But that bill never came. Dorothy ordered the same frame from Blue Lug a couple weeks ago and I don’t think she got charged yet, either.On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:03:39 AM UTC-4 Bryan H wrote:Has anyone recently ordered from blue lug? I have about 300 dollars worth of small parts coming and am curious about how much i will get charged on tariffs. On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-7 Evan Timms wrote:Thanks everyone. Seems things are in a state of flux. $308 isnt nothin...so I might skip the Blue Lug frame order at the moment. Appreciate the feedback! This is a great online community. On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 6:37 PM Pat McCullar wrote:I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a 10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841. It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase. Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next year, so I’m glad I got it now.PatOn Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh wrote:FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful. you might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:Justin, I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!EvanOn Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:FYI,Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international website; green and blue and all sizes available. So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very seriously. That totally fits my vibes!Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my last four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me that they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!Long live the fun-havers!

😊🚲On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.Mike who gets outta sorts with change RossiOn May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H wrote:For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past year and had zero issues.But recently

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

I ordered a frame from Blue Lug late August and there was certainly 
supposed to be a tariff. But that bill never came. Dorothy ordered the same 
frame from Blue Lug a couple weeks ago and I don’t think she got charged 
yet, either.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2025 at 9:03:39 AM UTC-4 Bryan H wrote:

> Has anyone recently ordered from blue lug? I have about 300 dollars worth 
> of small parts coming and am curious about how much i will get charged on 
> tariffs. 
>
> On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-7 Evan Timms wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone. Seems things are in a state of flux. $308 
>> isnt nothin...so I might skip the Blue Lug frame order at the moment. 
>> Appreciate the feedback! This is a great online community. 
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 6:37 PM Pat McCullar  wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following 
>>> Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a 
>>> 10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841. 
>>>
>>> It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase. 
>>>
>>> Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next 
>>> year, so I’m glad I got it now.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh  wrote:
>>>
 FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in 
 NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you 
 might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.

 On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:

> Justin, 
>
> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. 
> Do you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any 
> other 
> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>
> Evan
> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped 
>> Tuesday morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via 
>> FedEx. 
>> Same excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>>
>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the 
>>> international website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>>
>>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a 
>>> second chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and 
>>> tariffs. 
>>>
>>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>>
>>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm 
>>> Pat, I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have 
>>> previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved 
>>> into 
>>> a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit 
>>> nuts. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>
> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very 
> close. I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take 
> themselves 
> very seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise 
> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and 
> my last 
> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
> something 
> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices 
> dropped a 
> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering 
> their 
> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. 
> The 
> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to 
> me that 
> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
> Blue 
> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>
> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but 
>> with FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss 
>> them. I 
>> used to have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to 
>>

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-10-29 Thread Bryan H

Has anyone recently ordered from blue lug? I have about 300 dollars worth 
of small parts coming and am curious about how much i will get charged on 
tariffs. 

On Saturday, August 16, 2025 at 9:03:05 AM UTC-7 Evan Timms wrote:

> Thanks everyone. Seems things are in a state of flux. $308 
> isnt nothin...so I might skip the Blue Lug frame order at the moment. 
> Appreciate the feedback! This is a great online community. 
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 6:37 PM Pat McCullar  wrote:
>
>> I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following 
>> Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a 
>> 10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841. 
>>
>> It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase. 
>>
>> Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next year, 
>> so I’m glad I got it now.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh  wrote:
>>
>>> FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in 
>>> NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you 
>>> might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:
>>>
 Justin, 

 I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. 
 Do you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any 
 other 
 fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!

 Evan
 On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>
> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI,
>>
>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the 
>> international website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>
>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
>> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>>
>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>
>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm 
>> Pat, I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have 
>> previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved 
>> into 
>> a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit 
>> nuts. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 

 They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very 
 close. I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take 
 themselves 
 very seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
 Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise 
 that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
 I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
 gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
 last 
 four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
 change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
 something 
 clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped 
 a 
 tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering 
 their 
 in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
 Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
 that 
 they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
 Blue 
 Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!

 Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲

 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but 
> with FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. 
> I 
> used to have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to 
> their 
> website, they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last 
> order 
> left Blue Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two 
> days, then 
> went to South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it 
> finally 
> made it down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto 
> goodies, 
> so I haven’t gotten customs charges

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-16 Thread Evan Timms

Thanks everyone. Seems things are in a state of flux. $308 isnt nothin...so
I might skip the Blue Lug frame order at the moment. Appreciate the
feedback! This is a great online community.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 6:37 PM Pat McCullar  wrote:

> I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following
> Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a
> 10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841.
>
> It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase.
>
> Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next year,
> so I’m glad I got it now.
>
> Pat
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh  wrote:
>
>> FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in
>> NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you
>> might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do
>>> you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other
>>> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>>>
>>> Evan
>>> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday
 morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same
 excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL.

 On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
 wrote:

>
> FYI,
>
> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the
> international website; green and blue and all sizes available.
>
> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second
> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs.
>
> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>
> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat,
> I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have
> previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into
> a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best!
>>>
>>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very
>>> close. I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take 
>>> themselves
>>> very seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise
>>> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always
>>> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
>>> last
>>> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any
>>> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
>>> something
>>> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a
>>> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering 
>>> their
>>> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The
>>> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
>>> that
>>> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
>>> Blue
>>> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>>>
>>> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with
 FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I 
 used to
 have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their 
 website,
 they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
 Blue
 Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went 
 to
 South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally 
 made it
 down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so 
 I
 haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
 tell),
 but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in
 Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after
 that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.

 Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi

 On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:

>>>

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Pat McCullar

I ordered my Homer Frame on Friday 7/4 and received it the following
Thursday. Two weeks later I received a bill from Fedex for the tariff; a
10% tariff and a 6% tariff, totaling $308, for a purchase price of $1841.

It’s annoying, but I don’t regret the purchase.

Also, Homer isn’t shown on the updated production schedule for next year,
so I’m glad I got it now.

Pat

On Thu, Aug 7, 2025 at 8:13 AM Minh  wrote:

> FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in
> NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you
> might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:
>
>> Justin,
>>
>> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do
>> you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other
>> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>>
>> Evan
>> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday
>>> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same
>>> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>

 FYI,

 Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international
 website; green and blue and all sizes available.

 So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second
 chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs.

 I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.

 I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat,
 I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have
 previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into
 a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts.



 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected]
 wrote:

> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises.
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best!
>>
>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close.
>> I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very
>> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise
>> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always
>> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
>> last
>> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any
>> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
>> something
>> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a
>> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their
>> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The
>> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
>> that
>> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
>> Blue
>> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>>
>> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with
>>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
>>> to
>>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their 
>>> website,
>>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
>>> Blue
>>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went 
>>> to
>>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally 
>>> made it
>>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I
>>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
>>> tell),
>>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in
>>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after
>>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>>
>>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the
>>> past year and had zero issues.
>>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid
>>> for 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the 
>>> ordering
>>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date.
>>>
>>> They shipped the frame and other parts rel

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Michael Connors

starting August 29, shippers will be required to collect tariffs on orders 
less than $800 as well

On Thursday, August 7, 2025 at 1:30:51 PM UTC-5 Donzaemon wrote:

> Unfortunately, the customer is responsible for paying the tariffs. 
>
> On Thursday, August 7, 2025 at 9:52:53 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> From what I recall of the early announcements, the shippers are to pay 
>> the tariffs. It doesn't seem right, but was that not the intent?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Donzaemon

Unfortunately, the customer is responsible for paying the tariffs. 

On Thursday, August 7, 2025 at 9:52:53 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> From what I recall of the early announcements, the shippers are to pay the 
> tariffs. It doesn't seem right, but was that not the intent?
>

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Justin Kennedy

I've never had to pay any additional import or customs fees for Blue Lug 
orders. However, I purchased a Platypus frame from C&L Cylces in Montreal a 
few years ago and UPS made me pay a $50-something import or customs fee 
before they would deliver it. It was unexpected but not terribly expensive, 
of course. Who knows what they'll charge you these days w/ the tariffs etc. 

On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:

> Justin, 
>
> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do 
> you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other 
> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>
> Evan
> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
>> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
>> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>>
>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
>>> website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>>
>>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
>>> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>>>
>>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>>
>>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
>>> have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
>>> owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
>>> walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>
> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. 
> I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise 
> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
> last 
> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
> something 
> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a 
> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their 
> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
> that 
> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
> Blue 
> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>
> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
>> to 
>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their 
>> website, 
>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
>> Blue 
>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went 
>> to 
>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made 
>> it 
>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
>> tell), 
>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>
>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>
>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
>> year and had zero issues.
>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 
>> 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>>
>> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
>> according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. 
>> Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do 
>> it 
>> correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to 
>> be 
>> held indefinitely at

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Eric Floden

>From what I recall of the early announcements, the shippers are to pay the
tariffs. It doesn't seem right, but was that not the intent?

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Donzaemon

I picked up a Periwinkle Sam Hillborne from Blue Lug a few weeks ago. The 
duty/tariff came out to $198. The box was stuck at customs for almost a 
week before movement to my local fedex facility.

On Thursday, August 7, 2025 at 8:13:03 AM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in 
> NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you 
> might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:
>
>> Justin, 
>>
>> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do 
>> you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other 
>> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>>
>> Evan
>> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
>>> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
>>> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>

 FYI,

 Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
 website; green and blue and all sizes available. 

 So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
 chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 

 I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.

 I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, 
 I have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have 
 previously owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into 
 a 2nd floor walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 



 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>>
>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. 
>> I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
>> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise 
>> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
>> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
>> last 
>> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
>> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
>> something 
>> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a 
>> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering 
>> their 
>> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
>> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
>> that 
>> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
>> Blue 
>> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>>
>> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
>>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
>>> to 
>>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their 
>>> website, 
>>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
>>> Blue 
>>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went 
>>> to 
>>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally 
>>> made it 
>>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so 
>>> I 
>>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
>>> tell), 
>>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>>
>>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the 
>>> past year and had zero issues.
>>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid 
>>> for 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the 
>>> ordering 
>>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>>>
>>> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
>>> according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs require

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-07 Thread Minh

FYI, duties/tariffs situation keeps changing, there is an article in 
NYTimes today where they are finally going into effect so be careful.  you 
might be able to get it in under the wire but maybe not.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 8:01:43 PM UTC-4 Evan Timms wrote:

> Justin, 
>
> I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do 
> you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other 
> fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!
>
> Evan
> On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
>> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
>> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>>
>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
>>> website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>>
>>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
>>> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>>>
>>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>>
>>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
>>> have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
>>> owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
>>> walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>
> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. 
> I love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise 
> that U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
> gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
> last 
> four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
> change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get 
> something 
> clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a 
> tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their 
> in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
> Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
> that 
> they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. 
> Blue 
> Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>
> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
>> to 
>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their 
>> website, 
>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
>> Blue 
>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went 
>> to 
>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made 
>> it 
>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
>> tell), 
>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>
>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>
>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
>> year and had zero issues.
>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 
>> 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>>
>> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
>> according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. 
>> Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do 
>> it 
>> correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to 
>> be 
>> held indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the 
>> package was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>>
>> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-08-06 Thread Evan Timms

Justin, 

I am thinking of ordering a frame as well. Shipped to Washington, DC. Do 
you [yet] know if you incurred "import duty, customs fees", or any other 
fees beyond shipping? Thanks for weighing in!

Evan
On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>
> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI,
>>
>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
>> website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>
>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
>> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>>
>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>
>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
>> have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
>> owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
>> walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 

 They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
 love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
 seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
 Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
 U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
 I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
 gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
 last 
 four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
 change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something 
 clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a 
 tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their 
 in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
 Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
 that 
 they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue 
 Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!

 Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲

 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
> to 
> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, 
> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
> Blue 
> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to 
> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made 
> it 
> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
> tell), 
> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>
> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
> year and had zero issues.
> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 
> 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>
> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
> according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. 
> Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it 
> correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to 
> be 
> held indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the 
> package was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>
> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to 
> work 
> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also 
> said 
> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
> businesses, the way they have handled my situat

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-07-10 Thread 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch

Thanks to all who provided their recent experiences. Can confirm that my 
~$650 order split five ways ($10 shipping per person, not bad!) arrived in 
only a few days (including the holiday weekend) without any surprise 
charges via FedEx.


On Sunday, July 6, 2025 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
> morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
> excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 
>
> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI,
>>
>> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
>> website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>>
>> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
>> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>>
>> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>>
>> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
>> have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
>> owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
>> walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 

 They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
 love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
 seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
 Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
 U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
 I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always 
 gotten to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my 
 last 
 four orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any 
 change in delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something 
 clear around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a 
 tad for me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their 
 in-house brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The 
 Japan products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me 
 that 
 they are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue 
 Lug is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!

 Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲

 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used 
> to 
> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, 
> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left 
> Blue 
> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to 
> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made 
> it 
> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
> tell), 
> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>
> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
> year and had zero issues.
> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 
> 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>
> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
> according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. 
> Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it 
> correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to 
> be 
> held indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the 
> package was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>
> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to 
> work 
> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also 
> said 
> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
> businesses, the

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-07-06 Thread Justin Kennedy

FWIW, I placed an order this past Monday afternoon. It shipped Tuesday 
morning and arrived at my apt in NYC Thursday afternoon via FedEx. Same 
excellent service and shipping as they had with DHL. 

On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 12:54:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

>
> FYI,
>
> Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
> website; green and blue and all sizes available. 
>
> So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
> chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 
>
> I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.
>
> I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
> have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
> owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
> walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>>>
>>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
>>> love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
>>> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
>>> U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always gotten 
>>> to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my last four 
>>> orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any change in 
>>> delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something clear 
>>> around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a tad for 
>>> me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their in-house 
>>> brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The Japan 
>>> products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me that they 
>>> are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue Lug 
>>> is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>>>
>>> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
 FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to 
 have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, 
 they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue 
 Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to 
 South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made 
 it 
 down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
 haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will 
 tell), 
 but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
 Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
 that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.

 Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi

 On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:

 For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
 year and had zero issues.
 But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
 process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 

 They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, 
 according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. 
 Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it 
 correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be 
 held indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the 
 package was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 

 I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
 customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
 with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also 
 said 
 they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 

 While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
 businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
 to it has been shockingly bad. 
 Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
 anyone else to either. 

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-07-05 Thread Pat McCullar


FYI,

Blue Lug now has A. Homer Hilsens up and available on the international 
website; green and blue and all sizes available. 

So, if you are like me and dithered a bit too long, you have a second 
chance, if you are willing to pay the premium for shipping and tariffs. 

I decided that I am and have ordered a 54.5 in green.

I've been lurking for a while, but haven't introduced myself. I'm Pat, I 
have a Toyo Atlantis and custom semi-relaxed road bike, and have previously 
owned a Joe Appaloosa and a Cheviot. I have recently moved into a 2nd floor 
walkup in San Francisco, so buying another bike is a bit nuts. 



On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>>
>> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
>> love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
>> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
>> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
>> U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
>> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always gotten 
>> to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my last four 
>> orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any change in 
>> delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something clear 
>> around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a tad for 
>> me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their in-house 
>> brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The Japan 
>> products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me that they 
>> are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue Lug 
>> is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>>
>> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
>>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to 
>>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, 
>>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue 
>>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to 
>>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it 
>>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
>>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), 
>>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>>
>>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
>>> year and had zero issues.
>>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
>>> day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
>>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>>>
>>> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according 
>>> to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they 
>>> didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when 
>>> FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held 
>>> indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package 
>>> was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>>>
>>> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
>>> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
>>> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said 
>>> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>>>
>>> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
>>> businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
>>> to it has been shockingly bad. 
>>> Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
>>> anyone else to either. 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-07-02 Thread Armand Kizirian

FYI just made a ~$300 order with no surprises. 

On Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 
>
> They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
> love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
> seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
> Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
> U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
> I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always gotten 
> to me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my last four 
> orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any change in 
> delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something clear 
> around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a tad for 
> me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their in-house 
> brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The Japan 
> products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me that they 
> are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue Lug 
> is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!
>
> Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with 
>> FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to 
>> have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, 
>> they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue 
>> Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to 
>> South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it 
>> down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I 
>> haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), 
>> but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>
>> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>>
>> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past 
>> year and had zero issues.
>> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
>> day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
>> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>>
>> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according 
>> to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they 
>> didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when 
>> FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held 
>> indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package 
>> was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>>
>> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
>> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
>> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said 
>> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>>
>> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
>> businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
>> to it has been shockingly bad. 
>> Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
>> anyone else to either. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-07-02 Thread Tandy Numlock

Yeah, Blue Lug are the best! 

They are some of my most favorite-ist folks, and it ain't very close. I 
love how fun-loving they are, and how they don't take themselves very 
seriously. That totally fits my vibes!
Their fun nature comes through on their products. It's no surprise that 
U.S. retailers sell out so quickly!
I've placed fifteen orders with them since 2022. They have always gotten to 
me in less than a week here in Philly. DHL was quick, and my last four 
orders were after the change to FedEx. I haven't experienced any change in 
delivery times worth noting, but I'm in no rush to get something clear 
around the other side of the planet. The shipping prices dropped a tad for 
me since the change to FedEx. I particularly enjoy ordering their in-house 
brand items, and their "local" brands like Nitto and MKS. The Japan 
products prices come in so cheap!. but it's more important to me that they 
are less likely to be out of stock than other places I buy from. Blue Lug 
is totally my candy shop. Love 'em!

Long live the fun-havers!  😊🚲

On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 7:02:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with FedEx. 
> I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to have 
> orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, they 
> take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue Lug 
> quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to South 
> Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it down 
> to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I haven’t 
> gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), but 
> sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>
> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past year 
> and had zero issues.
> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
> day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>
> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according 
> to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they 
> didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when 
> FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held 
> indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package 
> was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>
> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said 
> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
> businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
> to it has been shockingly bad. 
> Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
> anyone else to either. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-29 Thread Stephen A

I haven't had any issues with Blue Lug, I keep my orders below $700 USD to 
avoid scrutiny and they are fast, reliable, and throw in tons of stickers 
to boot.

On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 4:02:40 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with FedEx. 
> I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to have 
> orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, they 
> take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue Lug 
> quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to South 
> Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it down 
> to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I haven’t 
> gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), but 
> sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>
> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past year 
> and had zero issues.
> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
> day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>
> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according 
> to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they 
> didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when 
> FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held 
> indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package 
> was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>
> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said 
> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
> businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
> to it has been shockingly bad. 
> Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
> anyone else to either. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-27 Thread Chris Law

Please tell me they actually make this as a sticker or a t shirt or 
something 

On Friday, June 27, 2025 at 2:17:48 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> [image: IMG_4143.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 3:35:41 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
>> My one and only experience with Blue Lug (in May of this year) was I 
>> placed my order, sat back expecting to get bars in a couple weeks, and be 
>> shocked to see them arrive in just a few days.  Like someone else said, 
>> faster than many items arrive that originated in the US.
>>
>> Dan S
>> a small town near Madison, WI
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 3:51:52 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, very good to know!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 2:50 PM Jim M.  wrote:
>>>
 There is still a de minimis exemption for goods less than $800, unless 
 it's direct from China. But I know some people who have ordered bikes from 
 China who never got a tariff bill either.

 jim m
 walnut creek

 On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 1:40:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My brother recently received 2 drop handlebars that arrived within 5 
> days of the order for a total of $147 including shipping, damned cheap, 
> and 
> no sign of any tariff. He wondered if the US govt is organized enough to 
> track and bill every little transaction. I guess we’ll see. 
>
> With the remarkably low price and quick shipping I think I’ll look 
> more closely at Blue Lug for my own bike purchases and chance the tariff 
> — 
> just looked it up: 10%. ~$160 or so for that transaction would not be bad 
> at all. A similar purchase from say Rivendell would cost much more for 
> the 
> bars and probably more too for the shipping.
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:24 AM 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> " Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged 
>> when your order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for 
>> those costs."
>>
>> Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid 
>> in these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the 
>> total 
>> cost of the package...
>>
>> Paul 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a 
>>> handful of times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from 
>>> Japan 
>>> to Tampa. 
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. 
 Shipping was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful 
 Dead 
 cycling caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent 
 quality. I 
 expect to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff 
 on 
 Japan, if my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 

 Peace,
 Tim

 On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater 
> LA area and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of 
> weeks 
> ago, and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make 
> a 
> difference, too
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this 
>> week.  I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it 
>> arrived 
>> Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business 
>> day 
>> after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely 
>> packed and 
>> they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a 
>> period of 
>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, 
>> and small 
>> parts.  
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is correct.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations 
>>> to pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but 
>>> farms out 
>>> last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time 
>>> delivery and r

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-26 Thread Dan Sullivan

My one and only experience with Blue Lug (in May of this year) was I placed 
my order, sat back expecting to get bars in a couple weeks, and be shocked 
to see them arrive in just a few days.  Like someone else said, faster than 
many items arrive that originated in the US.

Dan S
a small town near Madison, WI

On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 3:51:52 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, very good to know!
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 2:50 PM Jim M.  wrote:
>
>> There is still a de minimis exemption for goods less than $800, unless 
>> it's direct from China. But I know some people who have ordered bikes from 
>> China who never got a tariff bill either.
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 1:40:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> My brother recently received 2 drop handlebars that arrived within 5 
>>> days of the order for a total of $147 including shipping, damned cheap, and 
>>> no sign of any tariff. He wondered if the US govt is organized enough to 
>>> track and bill every little transaction. I guess we’ll see. 
>>>
>>> With the remarkably low price and quick shipping I think I’ll look more 
>>> closely at Blue Lug for my own bike purchases and chance the tariff — just 
>>> looked it up: 10%. ~$160 or so for that transaction would not be bad at 
>>> all. A similar purchase from say Rivendell would cost much more for the 
>>> bars and probably more too for the shipping.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:24 AM 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
 " Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged when 
 your order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for those 
 costs."

 Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid in 
 these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the total 
 cost 
 of the package...

 Paul 

 On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a 
> handful of times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from 
> Japan 
> to Tampa. 
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. 
>> Shipping was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful 
>> Dead 
>> cycling caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. 
>> I 
>> expect to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on 
>> Japan, if my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 
>>
>> Peace,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA 
>>> area and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of 
>>> weeks 
>>> ago, and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
>>> difference, too
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this 
 week.  I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it 
 arrived 
 Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business 
 day 
 after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely 
 packed and 
 they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period 
 of 
 extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and 
 small 
 parts.  

 Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
 wrote:

> That is correct.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to 
> pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms 
> out 
> last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time 
> delivery and record keeping?
>
> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) 
> ground service not too extravagantly expensive.
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run 
>> their own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>>
>> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for 
>> deliveries. 
>>
>> It’s just

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread Patrick Moore

Thanks, very good to know!

On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 2:50 PM Jim M.  wrote:

> There is still a de minimis exemption for goods less than $800, unless
> it's direct from China. But I know some people who have ordered bikes from
> China who never got a tariff bill either.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
>
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 1:40:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> My brother recently received 2 drop handlebars that arrived within 5 days
>> of the order for a total of $147 including shipping, damned cheap, and no
>> sign of any tariff. He wondered if the US govt is organized enough to track
>> and bill every little transaction. I guess we’ll see.
>>
>> With the remarkably low price and quick shipping I think I’ll look more
>> closely at Blue Lug for my own bike purchases and chance the tariff — just
>> looked it up: 10%. ~$160 or so for that transaction would not be bad at
>> all. A similar purchase from say Rivendell would cost much more for the
>> bars and probably more too for the shipping.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:24 AM 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> " Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged when
>>> your order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for those
>>> costs."
>>>
>>> Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid in
>>> these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the total cost
>>> of the package...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a handful
 of times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from Japan to
 Tampa.

 -Steve


 On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 [email protected]> wrote:

> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping
> was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling
> caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect
> to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, 
> if
> my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA.
>
> Peace,
> Tim
>
> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA
>> area and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks
>> ago, and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a
>> difference, too
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this
>>> week.  I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it 
>>> arrived
>>> Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day
>>> after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed 
>>> and
>>> they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of
>>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and 
>>> small
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That is correct.

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

 

 Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to
 pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out
 last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time
 delivery and record keeping?

 Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish)
 ground service not too extravagantly expensive.


 On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:

> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run
> their own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>
> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for
> deliveries.
>
> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d
> van. Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for 
> another
> company basically.
>
> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>
> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer
> service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all 
> might
> appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it 
> can
> be absolute chaos.
>
> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>>

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread Jim M.

There is still a de minimis exemption for goods less than $800, unless it's 
direct from China. But I know some people who have ordered bikes from China 
who never got a tariff bill either.

jim m
walnut creek

On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 1:40:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My brother recently received 2 drop handlebars that arrived within 5 days 
> of the order for a total of $147 including shipping, damned cheap, and no 
> sign of any tariff. He wondered if the US govt is organized enough to track 
> and bill every little transaction. I guess we’ll see. 
>
> With the remarkably low price and quick shipping I think I’ll look more 
> closely at Blue Lug for my own bike purchases and chance the tariff — just 
> looked it up: 10%. ~$160 or so for that transaction would not be bad at 
> all. A similar purchase from say Rivendell would cost much more for the 
> bars and probably more too for the shipping.
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:24 AM 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> " Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged when 
>> your order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for those 
>> costs."
>>
>> Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid in 
>> these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the total cost 
>> of the package...
>>
>> Paul 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a handful 
>>> of times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from Japan to 
>>> Tampa. 
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping 
 was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling 
 caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect 
 to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, 
 if 
 my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 

 Peace,
 Tim

 On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA 
> area and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks 
> ago, and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
> difference, too
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this 
>> week.  I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it 
>> arrived 
>> Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day 
>> after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed 
>> and 
>> they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and 
>> small 
>> parts.  
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is correct.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to 
>>> pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out 
>>> last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time 
>>> delivery and record keeping?
>>>
>>> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) 
>>> ground service not too extravagantly expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their 
 own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.

 They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for 
 deliveries. 

 It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. 
 Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another 
 company basically. 

 If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.

 So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer 
 service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all 
 might 
 appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it 
 can 
 be absolute chaos.

 I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.

 I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
 thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread Patrick Moore

My brother recently received 2 drop handlebars that arrived within 5 days
of the order for a total of $147 including shipping, damned cheap, and no
sign of any tariff. He wondered if the US govt is organized enough to track
and bill every little transaction. I guess we’ll see.

With the remarkably low price and quick shipping I think I’ll look more
closely at Blue Lug for my own bike purchases and chance the tariff — just
looked it up: 10%. ~$160 or so for that transaction would not be bad at
all. A similar purchase from say Rivendell would cost much more for the
bars and probably more too for the shipping.

On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 9:24 AM 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch <
[email protected]> wrote:

> " Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged when
> your order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for those
> costs."
>
> Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid in
> these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the total cost
> of the package...
>
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a handful
>> of times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from Japan to
>> Tampa.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping
>>> was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling
>>> caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect
>>> to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, if
>>> my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA
 area and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks
 ago, and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a
 difference, too

 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.
> I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived
> Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day
> after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed 
> and
> they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of
> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and 
> small
> parts.
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> That is correct.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to
>> pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out
>> last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time
>> delivery and record keeping?
>>
>> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish)
>> ground service not too extravagantly expensive.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their
>>> own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>>>
>>> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for
>>> deliveries.
>>>
>>> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van.
>>> Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another
>>> company basically.
>>>
>>> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>>>
>>> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer
>>> service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all 
>>> might
>>> appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it 
>>> can
>>> be absolute chaos.
>>>
>>> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>>>
>>> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx
>>> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the
>>> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their 
>>> savings.
>>>
>>> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>>>
>>> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right
>>> now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost
>>> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world 
>>> by
>>> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>>>
>>> I would dir

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread Eric Floden

>
>
> The subject line is unfortunate. I don't imagine Blue Lug is the only
> supplier affected. (It's not.)


Also, the tariffs ought not to affect anyone outside of the USofA. My
nephew's recent Blue Lug order is so far tariff-free. He is not in the USofA

EricF
Vancouver BC

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread River Bailey

I ordered a Roadini frame in 2023. It came via DHL. Even though I paid a 
bit more for the frame, I didn't pay any weird charges, or even tax. 168.00 
for shipping. It came super fast and the whole process was a breeze. Love 
Blue Lug!

On Wednesday, June 25, 2025 at 12:29:13 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I’ve ordered a couple of ~$300-$400 shipments from them, and no duties, 
> taxes, fees, or whatnot. This has been over the past month or so (maybe I 
> should be keeping quiet about this). Frames are apparently a different 
> story. 
>
> Mike
>
> On Jun 25, 2025, at 11:41 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>> The subject line is unfortunate. I don't imagine Blue Lug is the only 
>> supplier affected. (It's not.)
>
>
> Also, the tariffs ought not to affect anyone outside of the USofA. My 
> nephew's recent Blue Lug order is so far tariff-free. He is not in the USofA
>
> EricF
> Vancouver BC 
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread Mike Rossi

I’ve ordered a couple of ~$300-$400 shipments from them, and no duties, taxes, fees, or whatnot. This has been over the past month or so (maybe I should be keeping quiet about this). Frames are apparently a different story. MikeOn Jun 25, 2025, at 11:41 AM, Eric Floden  wrote:The subject line is unfortunate. I don't imagine Blue Lug is the only supplier affected. (It's not.)Also, the tariffs ought not to affect anyone outside of the USofA. My nephew's recent Blue Lug order is so far tariff-free. He is not in the USofAEricFVancouver BC 



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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-06-25 Thread 'Paul Rhodes' via RBW Owners Bunch

" Import tax, custom duties, VAT or clearance fee will be charged when your 
order has reached your country. We ARE NOT responsible for those costs."

Folks who've ordered recently from BL, can you say how much you paid in 
these extra taxes? I don't love placing an order not knowing the total cost 
of the package...

Paul 

On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a handful of 
> times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from Japan to Tampa. 
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping 
>> was super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling 
>> caps and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect 
>> to somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, if 
>> my research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 
>>
>> Peace,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA area 
>>> and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks ago, 
>>> and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
>>> difference, too
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
 Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  
 I put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived 
 Thursday, May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day 
 after shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed 
 and 
 they put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
 extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and 
 small 
 parts.  

 Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
 On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> That is correct.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick 
> up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last 
> mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery 
> and 
> record keeping?
>
> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) 
> ground service not too extravagantly expensive.
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their 
>> own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>>
>> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for 
>> deliveries. 
>>
>> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. 
>> Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another 
>> company basically. 
>>
>> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>>
>> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer 
>> service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all 
>> might 
>> appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it 
>> can 
>> be absolute chaos.
>>
>> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>>
>> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
>> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the 
>> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their 
>> savings.
>>
>> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>>
>> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right 
>> now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost 
>> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world 
>> by 
>> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>>
>> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses 
>> that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to 
>> maximize 
>> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who 
>> don’t 
>> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about 
>> unions.
>>
>> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>>
>> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people 
>> at Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned 
>> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is 
>> on 
>> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as 
>> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-20 Thread Steven Ayers

Blue Lug doesn’t mess around. I’ve ordered straight from them a handful of
times and it was always a breeze. Super fast shipping from Japan to Tampa.

-Steve


On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:17 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping was
> super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling caps
> and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect to
> somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, if my
> research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA.
>
> Peace,
> Tim
>
> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA area
>> and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks ago,
>> and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a
>> difference, too
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  I
>>> put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived Thursday,
>>> May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day after
>>> shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed and they
>>> put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of
>>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and small
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 That is correct.

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 

 Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick
 up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last
 mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and
 record keeping?

 Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish)
 ground service not too extravagantly expensive.


 On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:

> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their
> own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>
> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for
> deliveries.
>
> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van.
> Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another
> company basically.
>
> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>
> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service,
> and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear
> well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be
> absolute chaos.
>
> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>
> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx
> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the
> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their 
> savings.
>
> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>
> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right
> now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost
> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by
> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>
> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses
> that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to 
> maximize
> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t
> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about 
> unions.
>
> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>
> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people
> at Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned
> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on
> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as
> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told
> me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That
> much I guarantee.)
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull
> up to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after
> hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery 
> was
> for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well
> pre-tariff.
>

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-20 Thread Eric Douglas

Another data point--

I've ordered a number of times from Blue Lug.  My last order was last 
week--a Nitto rack and  two pairs XC-III ezy superior pedal  (my favorite).

Four days after placing the order I received it,

Eric

On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 10:17:41 AM UTC-4 Tim wrote:

> I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping was 
> super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling caps 
> and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect to 
> somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, if my 
> research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 
>
> Peace,
> Tim
>
> On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA area 
>> and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks ago, 
>> and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
>> difference, too
>>
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  I 
>>> put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived Thursday, 
>>> May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day after 
>>> shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed and they 
>>> put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
>>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and small 
>>> parts.  
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 That is correct.

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 

 Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick 
 up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last 
 mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery 
 and 
 record keeping?

 Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) 
 ground service not too extravagantly expensive.


 On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:

> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their 
> own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>
> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for 
> deliveries. 
>
> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. 
> Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another 
> company basically. 
>
> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>
> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, 
> and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear 
> well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be 
> absolute chaos.
>
> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>
> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the 
> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their 
> savings.
>
> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>
> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right 
> now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost 
> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by 
> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>
> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses 
> that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to 
> maximize 
> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t 
> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about 
> unions.
>
> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>
> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people 
> at Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned 
> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is 
> on 
> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as 
> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told 
> me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That 
> much I guarantee.)
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull 
> up to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) 
> after 
> hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery 
> was 
> for a

Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-20 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

I'm in the KC area and just had my first blue lug experience. Shipping was 
super fast, within a week I think. I just got 4 Grateful Dead cycling caps 
and a bear spoke reflector. The caps are excellent quality. I expect to 
somehow have a 24% customs bill, which should be the tariff on Japan, if my 
research was correct. The caps were also made in the USA. 

Peace,
Tim

On Monday, May 12, 2025 at 12:24:39 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA area 
> and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks ago, 
> and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
> difference, too
>
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  I 
>> put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived Thursday, 
>> May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day after 
>> shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed and they 
>> put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
>> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and small 
>> parts.  
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
>> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> That is correct.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick 
>>> up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last 
>>> mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and 
>>> record keeping?
>>>
>>> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) 
>>> ground service not too extravagantly expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own 
 delivery programs and haven’t for some time.

 They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for 
 deliveries. 

 It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. 
 Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another 
 company basically. 

 If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.

 So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, 
 and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear 
 well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be 
 absolute chaos.

 I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.

 I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
 thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the 
 customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.

 So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.

 Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. 
 So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost 
 effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by 
 FedEx and that made sense to them.

 I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses 
 that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to 
 maximize 
 profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t 
 have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about 
 unions.

 And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.

 (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at 
 Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned 
 translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on 
 FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as 
 much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told 
 me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That 
 much I guarantee.)

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~

 On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull 
 up to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after 
 hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery 
 was 
 for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well 
 pre-tariff.

 On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:

> … sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-12 Thread Dorothy C

It might depend on where you live in the US. I am in the Greater LA area 
and placed an order for a Choco bar on a Thursday a couple of weeks ago, 
and it showed up the following Monday. A large order might make a 
difference, too

On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 5:38:45 PM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  I 
> put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived Thursday, 
> May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day after 
> shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed and they 
> put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
> extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and small 
> parts.  
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
> On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> That is correct.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick up 
>> packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last mile 
>> delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and 
>> record keeping?
>>
>> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) ground 
>> service not too extravagantly expensive.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own 
>>> delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>>>
>>> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for deliveries. 
>>>
>>> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. Most 
>>> delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another company 
>>> basically. 
>>>
>>> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>>>
>>> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, 
>>> and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear 
>>> well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be 
>>> absolute chaos.
>>>
>>> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>>>
>>> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
>>> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the 
>>> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.
>>>
>>> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>>>
>>> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. 
>>> So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost 
>>> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by 
>>> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>>>
>>> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses that 
>>> swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to maximize 
>>> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t 
>>> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about unions.
>>>
>>> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>>>
>>> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at 
>>> Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned 
>>> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on 
>>> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as 
>>> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told 
>>> me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That 
>>> much I guarantee.)
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up 
>>> to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after 
>>> hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was 
>>> for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well 
>>> pre-tariff.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:
>>>
 … sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
 Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
 that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread Jim Whorton

Chiming in because I had a really good Blue Lug experience this week.  I 
put in an order on Saturday, May 3 (New York time) and it arrived Thursday, 
May 8 by "FedEx - International Connect Plus [2-3 business day after 
shipped]," which was the cheapest shipping option.  Nicely packed and they 
put in a note saying that it was Golden Week in Japan, "a period of 
extended national holidays."  I got some nice handlebars, a stem, and small 
parts.  

Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY  
On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> That is correct.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick up 
> packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last mile 
> delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and 
> record keeping?
>
> Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) ground 
> service not too extravagantly expensive.
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own 
>> delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>>
>> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for deliveries. 
>>
>> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. Most 
>> delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another company 
>> basically. 
>>
>> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>>
>> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, 
>> and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear 
>> well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be 
>> absolute chaos.
>>
>> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>>
>> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx 
>> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the 
>> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.
>>
>> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>>
>> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. 
>> So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost 
>> effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by 
>> FedEx and that made sense to them.
>>
>> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses that 
>> swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to maximize 
>> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t 
>> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about unions.
>>
>> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>>
>> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at 
>> Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned 
>> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on 
>> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as 
>> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told 
>> me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That 
>> much I guarantee.)
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up 
>> to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after 
>> hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was 
>> for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well 
>> pre-tariff.
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:
>>
>>> … sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
>>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
>>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread P W

That is correct.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 11, 2025, at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick up packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last mile delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and record keeping?Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) ground service not too extravagantly expensive.On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for deliveries. It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another company basically. If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be absolute chaos.I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by FedEx and that made sense to them.I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to maximize profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about unions.And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.(I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That much I guarantee.)P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well pre-tariff.On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:… sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.



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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread Patrick Moore

Do I understand you to say that FedEx has corporate operations to pick up
packages and manage original customer contact CS, but farms out last mile
delivery to contractors who are the weak point in on-time delivery and
record keeping?

Thank God that USPS still seems reliable, and with their new (ish) ground
service not too extravagantly expensive.


On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 2:09 PM P W  wrote:

> I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own
> delivery programs and haven’t for some time.
>
> They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for deliveries.
>
> It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. Most
> delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another company
> basically.
>
> If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.
>
> So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, and
> FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear well
> at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be absolute
> chaos.
>
> I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.
>
> I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx
> thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the
> customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.
>
> So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.
>
> Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. So
> they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost effectively.
> In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by FedEx and that
> made sense to them.
>
> I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses that
> swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to maximize
> profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t
> have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about unions.
>
> And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.
>
> (I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at
> Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned
> translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on
> FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as
> much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told
> me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That
> much I guarantee.)
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up
> to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after
> hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was
> for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well
> pre-tariff.
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:
>
>> … sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in
>> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after
>> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread P W

I don’t know if this is widely known but FedEx also don’t run their own delivery programs and haven’t for some time.They license out the FedEx brand to external contractors for deliveries. It’s just a random guy a lot of the time, with a Fed Ex logo’d van. Most delivery drivers work as independent contractors, or for another company basically. If you look closely it’ll say so on the van.So FedEx offers great rates to businesses, and great customer service, and FedEx themselves come and pick up your products. So all might appear well at the business end. But on the consumor/receiver end, it can be absolute chaos.I have seen SOME THINGS, let me tell you.I know of several companies that have moved their business to FedEx thinking they’re getting a better deal, only to switch back because the customer service issues on the other end don’t make it worth their savings.So try not to blame Blue Lug. Or not entirely.Businesses, especially smaller ones, are all under the pinch right now. So they’re looking at ways to make their operations run more cost effectively. In this case I would imagine they were promised the world by FedEx and that made sense to them.I would direct your frustrations and anger at the bigger businesses that swindle and scrimp and cut costs at everyone else expense, to maximize profits. Who are gung-ho in reducing labor and workforce costs. Who don’t have employees deliver their goods so they don’t have to worry about unions.And, maybe, the guy in charge of tariffs making that all even worse.(I’ve never heard anything other than lovely things about the people at Blue Lug, and I would imagine the poster before me that mentioned translation issues is onto something. If FedEx lost your package, it is on FedEx not Blue Lug to issue the refund. They’d be out the money just as much as you, otherwise. I wouldn’t trust anything a Fed Ex employee told me. They have no idea at all what happened to your package and why. That much I guarantee.)P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 11, 2025, at 11:47 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up to my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well pre-tariff.On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:… sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.



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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread Patrick Moore

Twice I’ve ordered things from Great Britain and had the DHL van pull up to
my house within 48 hours (in one case I think it was 36 hours) after
hitting the “buy” button. Amazing. The last, 36-hour (I think) delivery was
for a Rab anorak, and the earlier one was from SJS, IIRC — both well
pre-tariff.

On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 5:02 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:

> … sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>

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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread Brent Eastman

A couple things I feel compelled to ad.

1. Yes FedEx truly sucks these days. I've had domestic shipments travel the 
country, get lost, found, signed for at the wrong address, etc, all types 
of shit. One recent shipment was signed for by the wrong recipient, so the 
retailer was cool enough to send me a replacement item in a second 
shipment, then the original package showed up the next day, with the 
contents (a nice lamp from schoolhouse.com) completely smashed. 

2. blue lug has no American/USA/'first language english' employees. Things 
get confusing in translation. I was just in Japan, and visited all three 
shops, the staff is incredible. Throughout Japan, not just at blue lug, 
things can sound rude/dismissive in translation. Sometimes they say "will 
not" but mean "can not". Sometimes translation can sound very matter of 
fact, like "wait outside" when the translation might be curious and polite. 
I would assume their absolute best intentions. If there is an issue with 
FedEx and US Customs, there might very well be nothing they can do from 
Japan. Even if they wanted to help. They ship intl hundreds of times a 
week, and I assume they know how to fill out customs paperwork. I would 
give blue lug some grace. I would not give FedEx any grace.

On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 4:02:40 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with FedEx. 
> I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to have 
> orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, they 
> take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue Lug 
> quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to South 
> Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it down 
> to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I haven’t 
> gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), but 
> sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in 
> Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after 
> that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.
>
> Mike who gets outta sorts with change Rossi
>
> On May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:
>
> For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past year 
> and had zero issues.
> But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 
> day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering 
> process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. 
>
> They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according 
> to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they 
> didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when 
> FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held 
> indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package 
> was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. 
>
> I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US 
> customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work 
> with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said 
> they would not refund me even if they received the package back. 
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on 
> businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle 
> to it has been shockingly bad. 
> Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise 
> anyone else to either. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Beware Blue Lug

2025-05-11 Thread Mike Rossi

My last issue with ordering from Blue Lug wasnt with them, but with FedEx. I think DHL saw future problems and got out. I miss them. I used to have orders arrive in two or three days. And, according to their website, they take (took)care of all the customs paperwork. My last order left Blue Lug quickly, but FedEx circled it around Japan for two days, then went to South Korea, and then I tracked it to Alaska(??), before it finally made it down to South Carolina. It wasn’t a frame, just some Nitto goodies, so I haven’t gotten customs charges (not yet, it’s looking like time will tell), but sheesh, I miss DHL. All my orders used to leave Japan and end up in Cleveland, Ohio the next day, and then on my front porch the day after that. The shipping cost more, but, to me, was worth it.Mike who gets outta sorts with change RossiOn May 11, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Nicolas H  wrote:For the record, I have ordered many things from Blue Lug in the past year and had zero issues.But recently I ordered a frame and some brakes from them and paid for 3 day international shipping. I confirmed with them during the ordering process that the package needed to arrive by a certain date. They shipped the frame and other parts relatively quickly but, according to FedEx, they failed to comply with US customs requirements. Meaning they didn't fill out all the required information or didn't do it correctly when FedEx requested it from them. This caused the package to be held indefinitely at customs for nearly two weeks before eventually the package was mis-delivered and without signature confirmation. I reached out to Blue Lug as soon as I saw there was an issue at US customs. They refused to help and told me it was my responsibility to work with FedEx and US customs to get my package. On top of that, they also said they would not refund me even if they received the package back. While I'm sympathetic to the burden the new tariff regime has put on businesses, the way they have handled my situation and continue to handle to it has been shockingly bad. Suffice it to say, I won't order from them again and I wouldn't advise anyone else to either. 



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