Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
For argument's sake, couldn't you also put 29x3 tires in a Pugsley? Then you'd also have the option for 26x4 (or larger if you use the MWOD crank and a Moonlander fork, a la the black ops pug). On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:53:30 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: > > Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who > have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR > is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. > > I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More > stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too > skittish to me. > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller > > wrote: > > Anne, why not the ECR? It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a > lower > > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an > > Atlantis which has the same BB drop. The BB drop on the Krampus (60mm) > is > > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires. I'm seriously looking at > an > > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. > > > > ~mike > > Carlsbad Ca. > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > >> > >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of > >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've > >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in > >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. > >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be > >> underbiking, that's for sure. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and > was > >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x > >> > 1.75). > >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and > >> > replied > >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > >> > > >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past > >> > it’s > >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most > of > >> > it > >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > >> > > >> > Can you help me help him? > >> > > >> > With abandon, > >> > Patrick > >> > > >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > >> > www.OurHolyConception.org > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- Anne Paulson > >> > >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
If you're not using racks, then the Krampus will be great. If you think racks might be part of the equation, the ECR is SWEET. I have one on order. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:53:30 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: > > Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who > have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR > is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. > > I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More > stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too > skittish to me. > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller > > wrote: > > Anne, why not the ECR? It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a > lower > > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an > > Atlantis which has the same BB drop. The BB drop on the Krampus (60mm) > is > > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires. I'm seriously looking at > an > > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. > > > > ~mike > > Carlsbad Ca. > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > >> > >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of > >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've > >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in > >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. > >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be > >> underbiking, that's for sure. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and > was > >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x > >> > 1.75). > >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and > >> > replied > >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > >> > > >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past > >> > it’s > >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most > of > >> > it > >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > >> > > >> > Can you help me help him? > >> > > >> > With abandon, > >> > Patrick > >> > > >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > >> > www.OurHolyConception.org > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- Anne Paulson > >> > >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
I really don't think pedal strikes will be an issue with an 80 mm drop and 3" tires. That put's the pedals about the same place as most mountain bikes these days... For example...the Salsa El Mariachi has a 60 mm but with 2.3" tires the pedals will be ~18 mm lower than the Krampus or about the same as an ECR.The Bombadil and Hungapillar both have 80 mm BB drops and I haven't heard of any real pedal strike issues with those bikes either. Anyway, I'm jealous of anyone doing the GR I'd love to ride it as well. ~mike On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:53:30 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > > Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who > have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR > is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. > > I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More > stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too > skittish to me. > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller > > wrote: > > Anne, why not the ECR? It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a > lower > > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an > > Atlantis which has the same BB drop. The BB drop on the Krampus (60mm) > is > > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires. I'm seriously looking at > an > > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. > > > > ~mike > > Carlsbad Ca. > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > >> > >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of > >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've > >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in > >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. > >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be > >> underbiking, that's for sure. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and > was > >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x > >> > 1.75). > >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and > >> > replied > >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > >> > > >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past > >> > it’s > >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most > of > >> > it > >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > >> > > >> > Can you help me help him? > >> > > >> > With abandon, > >> > Patrick > >> > > >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > >> > www.OurHolyConception.org > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- Anne Paulson > >> > >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too skittish to me. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller wrote: > Anne, why not the ECR? It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a lower > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an > Atlantis which has the same BB drop. The BB drop on the Krampus (60mm) is > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires. I'm seriously looking at an > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. > > ~mike > Carlsbad Ca. > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: >> >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be >> underbiking, that's for sure. >> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x >> > 1.75). >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and >> > replied >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” >> > >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past >> > it’s >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of >> > it >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. >> > >> > Can you help me help him? >> > >> > With abandon, >> > Patrick >> > >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org >> > www.OurHolyConception.org >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Anne Paulson >> >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
I test rode a Krampus. My head said, this is not sensible, I should get a regular mountain bike with front suspension and run 2.5s, this Krampus is really heavy and this doesn't make sense. And my heart said, WH! this bike goes anywhere, I don't have to be scared on steep downhills, it's so much fun, KRAMPUS KRAMPUSKRAMPUSKRAMPUS! On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:37 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > Anne, a Krampus w/ Knard 3.0 looks like a fantastic bike for the GD. > > > > Cheers, > David > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Anne Paulson > wrote: >> >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be >> underbiking, that's for sure. >> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick >> wrote: >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x >> > 1.75). >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and >> > replied >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” >> > >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past >> > it’s >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of >> > it >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. >> > >> > Can you help me help him? >> > >> > With abandon, >> > Patrick >> > >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org >> > www.OurHolyConception.org >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Anne Paulson >> >> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
Anne, why not the ECR? It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a lower BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an Atlantis which has the same BB drop. The BB drop on the Krampus (60mm) is pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires. I'm seriously looking at an ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > > Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of > chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've > mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in > 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. > Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be > underbiking, that's for sure. > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick > > > wrote: > > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was > > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x > 1.75). > > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and > replied > > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > > > > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past > it’s > > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of > it > > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > > > > Can you help me help him? > > > > With abandon, > > Patrick > > > > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > > www.OurHolyConception.org > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
Anne, a Krampus w/ Knard 3.0 looks like a fantastic bike for the GD. Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of > chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've > mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in > 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. > Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be > underbiking, that's for sure. > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick > wrote: > > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was > > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x > 1.75). > > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and > replied > > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > > > > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s > > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of > it > > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > > > > Can you help me help him? > > > > With abandon, > > Patrick > > > > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > > www.OurHolyConception.org > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?
Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be underbiking, that's for sure. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 1.75). > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and replied > “No. Seriously. Which one?” > > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past it’s > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most of it > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. > > Can you help me help him? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > www.OurHolyConception.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
