Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-26 Thread ascpgh 
Having lived places with hot and *HUMID* summers, I too have sweat saddles 
wet and incidentally accomplished the break in function. On my Trans-Am 
ride I had to judge when to put my saddle cover on just to give my 
Rambouillet's B-17 Special (hammered flat copper rivets) a break because it 
hadn't fully dried from the previous day's hot, humid sweat wetness. 

While in KY I worked for a supplier to the equine industry and the leather 
shop produced all sorts of tack for horses and their handling. The final 
step for all of the leather goods, being for show, sales or training, was a 
dip in mineral oil to produce that dark brown coloration, weather proofness 
and pliability that would fit quickly without reducing strength or 
stretching. The leather master himself loaded the hooks, lowered items into 
the drum of mineral oil and took responsibility for the duration of the dip 
so the oil didn't go too deeply into the leather. This as a saddle break in 
method would be tricky, let it soak in too much and you might get a saggy 
outcome if you ride it too much. Let it be out in the sun and the mineral 
oil will eventually evaporate. 

I have a RIvet Cycle Works saddle now and I can say that the fit of the 
saddle is important. Breaking in can either optimize that or cause a saddle 
to sag to less than optimal, I found that true of the leather saddles of 
later B-17s right after Brooks was bought, those broke in too much and 
sagged past ideal fit. If your saddle fits, its hardness matters much less. 
The flesh covering your sit bones does need time to break in (toughen up) 
with a new saddle too, even a new one of the same model you've used 
forever. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 10:35:54 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> TMI, but my ass sweats so much on rides in warm weather, I reckon that's 
> why I've never really had an issue breaking in leather saddles.
> I'm sure most of us here do this anyway, but if not, try putting a 
> generous amount of Proofhide or Obenoufs on the *underside* of your 
> leather saddle as well as on the top surface.
>
> Brian
> Lexington, KY
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-25 Thread Sally Bidleman 
Agree with Eric on the Berthoud; I have a Berthoud Aspin (open) and it is
really nice!

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:33 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Hi Liz — Have you tried to address the squeak in the springs of your B67?
> As Ted suggests, a little wax or grease could go a long way towards
> addressing that, if you liked the fit and comfort of the saddle. I'm sure
> there's a thread in here somewhere addressing Brooks spring squeak and
> oiling.
>
> I'm glad you have a better fit with the B17 after soaking! Seems a few
> have good experience with various methods. I got caught in a thunderstorm
> in April riding a new Berthou Aravis and got soaked, the saddle shaped to
> my butt in about 10 miles. Wouldn't have done that on purpose, I liked how
> the saddle was breaking in.
>
> Here's a link to Lon's soaking method, mentioned by Eric N. above:
> https://pactour.blogspot.com/2011/01/breaking-in-leather-saddle.html
>
> The most comfortable saddle I ever had was a Selle Anatomica but I
> absolutely hated the way it looked so... bye bye. I owned a Brooks Team Pro
> saddle from the 70s, the leather was suuuper heavy and thick, much thicker
> than the B17. Got rid of that one quickly. In my experience the Berthoud
> saddles fit me better than the Brooks. The rivet placement and the shape of
> the rails along the back edge better fit the shape of my sit bones.
>
> Regarding "aged" saddles: Doesn't Brooks offer a "pre-softened" saddle in
> their lineup?
>
> I've purchased (and sold) many used Brooks saddles over the years and have
> no complaints.
>
> On Saturday, May 24, 2025 at 11:23:18 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Yikes!
>>
>> I’ve been mostly riding B17s since 1999, and I would suggest that if a
>> new one is not reasonably comfortable for you, a broken in one probably
>> won’t be either.  A few random thoughts…  I have only had one soaked once,
>> caught in some pretty good rain and no choice but to finish the ride.  I
>> dried it as best I could when I got home and let it dry out indoors.
>> Pretty sure I Proofided it again after that.  I think in the modern era,
>> leather products containing animal oils/fats are not recommended.  I’m a
>> beefy boy, never under 200 lbs., plenty of my riding has been toasty
>> (Chandler, AZ) and I have never touched the tension bolts on any of mine.
>> I use Obenaufs now, I give the underside of a new saddle a thorough bottom
>> coat and a light top coat.  Probably once a year or so, I’ll redo the top.
>> My opinion is that once it’s broken in, putting more on the bottom is
>> likely to soften it up more than the ideal amount.  I personally wouldn’t
>> force the break in, Brooks’ are too expensive to abuse…
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 2:35 PM [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so
>>> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH.
>>> So stiff!
>>>
>>> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I
>>> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was
>>> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t
>>> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco
>>> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones
>>> hit differently on the Platy.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating
>>> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it.
>>>
>>> Liz in Cincinnati
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-25 Thread Eric Marth 
Hi Liz — Have you tried to address the squeak in the springs of your B67? 
As Ted suggests, a little wax or grease could go a long way towards 
addressing that, if you liked the fit and comfort of the saddle. I'm sure 
there's a thread in here somewhere addressing Brooks spring squeak and 
oiling. 

I'm glad you have a better fit with the B17 after soaking! Seems a few have 
good experience with various methods. I got caught in a thunderstorm in 
April riding a new Berthou Aravis and got soaked, the saddle shaped to my 
butt in about 10 miles. Wouldn't have done that on purpose, I liked how the 
saddle was breaking in. 

Here's a link to Lon's soaking method, mentioned by Eric N. above:
https://pactour.blogspot.com/2011/01/breaking-in-leather-saddle.html

The most comfortable saddle I ever had was a Selle Anatomica but I 
absolutely hated the way it looked so... bye bye. I owned a Brooks Team Pro 
saddle from the 70s, the leather was suuuper heavy and thick, much thicker 
than the B17. Got rid of that one quickly. In my experience the Berthoud 
saddles fit me better than the Brooks. The rivet placement and the shape of 
the rails along the back edge better fit the shape of my sit bones. 

Regarding "aged" saddles: Doesn't Brooks offer a "pre-softened" saddle in 
their lineup? 

I've purchased (and sold) many used Brooks saddles over the years and have 
no complaints. 

On Saturday, May 24, 2025 at 11:23:18 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Yikes!
>
> I’ve been mostly riding B17s since 1999, and I would suggest that if a new 
> one is not reasonably comfortable for you, a broken in one probably won’t 
> be either.  A few random thoughts…  I have only had one soaked once, caught 
> in some pretty good rain and no choice but to finish the ride.  I dried it 
> as best I could when I got home and let it dry out indoors.  Pretty sure I 
> Proofided it again after that.  I think in the modern era, leather products 
> containing animal oils/fats are not recommended.  I’m a beefy boy, never 
> under 200 lbs., plenty of my riding has been toasty (Chandler, AZ) and I 
> have never touched the tension bolts on any of mine.  I use Obenaufs now, I 
> give the underside of a new saddle a thorough bottom coat and a light top 
> coat.  Probably once a year or so, I’ll redo the top. My opinion is that 
> once it’s broken in, putting more on the bottom is likely to soften it up 
> more than the ideal amount.  I personally wouldn’t force the break in, 
> Brooks’ are too expensive to abuse…
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 2:35 PM [email protected]  
> wrote:
>
>> Friends, 
>>
>> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so 
>> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH. 
>> So stiff! 
>>
>> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I 
>> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was 
>> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t 
>> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco 
>> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones 
>> hit differently on the Platy.
>>
>> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating 
>> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it. 
>>
>> Liz in Cincinnati
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-24 Thread Doug Van Cleve 
Yikes!

I’ve been mostly riding B17s since 1999, and I would suggest that if a new
one is not reasonably comfortable for you, a broken in one probably won’t
be either.  A few random thoughts…  I have only had one soaked once, caught
in some pretty good rain and no choice but to finish the ride.  I dried it
as best I could when I got home and let it dry out indoors.  Pretty sure I
Proofided it again after that.  I think in the modern era, leather products
containing animal oils/fats are not recommended.  I’m a beefy boy, never
under 200 lbs., plenty of my riding has been toasty (Chandler, AZ) and I
have never touched the tension bolts on any of mine.  I use Obenaufs now, I
give the underside of a new saddle a thorough bottom coat and a light top
coat.  Probably once a year or so, I’ll redo the top. My opinion is that
once it’s broken in, putting more on the bottom is likely to soften it up
more than the ideal amount.  I personally wouldn’t force the break in,
Brooks’ are too expensive to abuse…

Doug


On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 2:35 PM [email protected] 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so
> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH.
> So stiff!
>
> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I
> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was
> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t
> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco
> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones
> hit differently on the Platy.
>
> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating
> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it.
>
> Liz in Cincinnati
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-23 Thread Matthew Rebmann 
Leave it in the sun on a hot day or warm it up with a blow dryer, hit the 
bottom with a bunch of conditioner (proofide or obenauf's etc.) and put it 
in the sun again/warm it up with the blow dryer again. Do some "chest 
compressions" while it's nice and warm with goop on the underside and also 
ride it on those hot days. You'll be surprised how fast it breaks in.

On Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> The proofide under the saddle is the key. Slather it on and don’t wipe it 
> off. Only wipe it off of the top after letting it chill for 20 or so 
> minutes. 
>
> I second Brian’s method of just sweating. 😅 
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:35 AM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> TMI, but my ass sweats so much on rides in warm weather, I reckon that's 
>> why I've never really had an issue breaking in leather saddles.
>> I'm sure most of us here do this anyway, but if not, try putting a 
>> generous amount of Proofhide or Obenoufs on the *underside* of your 
>> leather saddle as well as on the top surface.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lexington, KY
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-20 Thread Steven Ayers 
The proofide under the saddle is the key. Slather it on and don’t wipe it
off. Only wipe it off of the top after letting it chill for 20 or so
minutes.

I second Brian’s method of just sweating. 😅

-Steve


On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:35 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> TMI, but my ass sweats so much on rides in warm weather, I reckon that's
> why I've never really had an issue breaking in leather saddles.
> I'm sure most of us here do this anyway, but if not, try putting a
> generous amount of Proofhide or Obenoufs on the *underside* of your
> leather saddle as well as on the top surface.
>
> Brian
> Lexington, KY
>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-20 Thread Ted Durant 


> On May 20, 2025, at 9:35 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> TMI, but my ass sweats so much on rides in warm weather, I reckon that's why 
> I've never really had an issue breaking in leather saddles.

LOL. That’s what is “behind” my recommendation to go for a few rides in hot 
weather. :-)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-20 Thread Brian Turner 
TMI, but my ass sweats so much on rides in warm weather, I reckon that's
why I've never really had an issue breaking in leather saddles.
I'm sure most of us here do this anyway, but if not, try putting a generous
amount of Proofhide or Obenoufs on the *underside* of your leather saddle
as well as on the top surface.

Brian
Lexington, KY

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-20 Thread Ted Durant 

> On May 20, 2025, at 9:10 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried two of the standards and the furthest rivet to the left of the seat 
> gave me a sore. My left cheek must have a little "princess and the pea" thing 
> going I guess.

+1

Not sure it’s the rivets. I got frequent sores on my left side with all my B17 
saddles.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-20 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
HI Eric. You're right about Lon Haldeman. He has a Pactour blog and there's 
an entry about breaking in a leather saddle. It's still available. I have 
to laugh at this topic because I got my first Riv in 2011 as I became 
interested in a cross country ride, and had moved to leather saddles and 
was having a devil of a time breaking them in. I read Lon's blog and used 
his method. Be careful not to ride it too long when it's wet, as I 
apparently did, because it stretched and sagged badly. I was new in this 
group and reported my experience. I was just a young lad of 50 at the time 
and one of the group "old-timers" really berated me for doing that. I 
haven't seen him post in a long time so I hope he's still going strong, but 
he didn't have to be so mean about it. At 64 1/2 maybe I'm getting to be 
that grumpy old timer so I shouldn't throw stones. Damn whippersnappers! I 
broke in my first B17 in a while last September. I only use proofide now, 
but having only ridden B-17s since 2011 they break in easily. I ride a lot 
without padded shorts so if it's a little too hard I put some on for longer 
rides. One other note, I have to use the B17 Special, which has the 
hammered brass rivets, rather than the machine-set steel rivets in the 
Standard. I tried two of the standards and the furthest rivet to the left 
of the seat gave me a sore. My left cheek must have a little "princess and 
the pea" thing going I guess.


Peace, 
Tim
On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 3:34:07 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:

> I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the vintage 
> ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly easily 
> just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.
>
> I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
> Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
> rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
> to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
> it shortens the life much, but maybe...
>
> Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
> ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!
>
> Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
>> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
>> but I am ok with that.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
>>> time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
>>> wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
>>> soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
>>> dangerously! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Joe Bernard 
Yay Liz! I'm glad you found a solution 🙂 

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> I rode approximately 15 miles today on my wet-then-oiled saddle, and it 
> felt fantastic from the get go.
>
> I’ll probably take a ride again tomorrow, but I don’t plan on soaking it 
> again. I’m so happy! 
>
> Liz, happy sitbones in Cincinnati
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> I have had three B17s and had softened them up using olive oil. When it 
>> is brand new it will take up 2 cups of olive oil in no time! I have done 
>> this each summer for the past 18 years. Unorthodox but works!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 19, 2025, at 1:34 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>>
>> I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the 
>> vintage ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly 
>> easily just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.
>>
>>
>> I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
>> Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
>> rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
>> to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
>> it shortens the life much, but maybe...
>>
>> Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
>> ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!
>>
>> Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
>>> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
>>> but I am ok with that.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
 time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
 wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
 soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
 dangerously! 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Nick A. 
Happy to hear the results! I'd like to humbly posit that there really 
aren't rules, and whatever works for us works for us. 

Fan of the Brooks saddles in Northern Virginia,
Nick A.

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 7:37:05 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I rode approximately 15 miles today on my wet-then-oiled saddle, and it 
> felt fantastic from the get go.
>
> I’ll probably take a ride again tomorrow, but I don’t plan on soaking it 
> again. I’m so happy! 
>
> Liz, happy sitbones in Cincinnati
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> I have had three B17s and had softened them up using olive oil. When it 
>> is brand new it will take up 2 cups of olive oil in no time! I have done 
>> this each summer for the past 18 years. Unorthodox but works!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 19, 2025, at 1:34 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>>
>> I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the 
>> vintage ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly 
>> easily just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.
>>
>>
>> I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
>> Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
>> rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
>> to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
>> it shortens the life much, but maybe...
>>
>> Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
>> ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!
>>
>> Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
>>> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
>>> but I am ok with that.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
 time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
 wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
 soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
 dangerously! 
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread [email protected] 
I rode approximately 15 miles today on my wet-then-oiled saddle, and it 
felt fantastic from the get go.

I’ll probably take a ride again tomorrow, but I don’t plan on soaking it 
again. I’m so happy! 

Liz, happy sitbones in Cincinnati



On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> Hi all
> I have had three B17s and had softened them up using olive oil. When it is 
> brand new it will take up 2 cups of olive oil in no time! I have done this 
> each summer for the past 18 years. Unorthodox but works!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2025, at 1:34 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>
> I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the vintage 
> ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly easily 
> just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.
>
>
> I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
> Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
> rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
> to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
> it shortens the life much, but maybe...
>
> Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
> ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!
>
> Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
>> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
>> but I am ok with that.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
>>> time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
>>> wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
>>> soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
>>> dangerously! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Manoucher Brahman 
Hi allI have had three B17s and had softened them up using olive oil. When it is brand new it will take up 2 cups of olive oil in no time! I have done this each summer for the past 18 years. Unorthodox but works!Sent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2025, at 1:34 PM, EGNolan  wrote:I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the vintage ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly easily just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically it shortens the life much, but maybe...Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.Best,EricOn Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some but I am ok with that.BrianOn Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live dangerously! 



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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Jason Fuller 
Nice!  Since this discussion is leading to action, I should add the 
disclaimers: 

- if it's good and soft, you'll want to sit and ride for only a very short 
period, just until it feels like it has relaxed under you, which might be 
mere moments on the bike 
- keep it warm and dry afterwards so it dries fully in a reasonable amount 
of time

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread EGNolan 
I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the vintage 
ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly easily 
just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.

I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
it shortens the life much, but maybe...

Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!

Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.

Best,
Eric

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
> but I am ok with that.
>
> Brian
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
>> time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
>> wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
>> soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
>> dangerously! 
>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Brian Forsee 
I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
but I am ok with that.

Brian

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long time 
> after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden wet 
> repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I soak 
> my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live dangerously! 

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Jason Fuller 
Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long time 
after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden wet 
repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I soak 
my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live dangerously! 

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread [email protected] 
I soaked my saddle in a bucket of hot water for about 30 minutes…then I 
adjusted the tilt to about 8 degrees and headed off for a 30-minute hilly 
ride, and oh my goodness…it’s already so much more comfortable. I’ve 
slathered it—top and bottom—in mink oil, and now the bike/saddle is soaking 
in the sun. 

I plan to ride again for an hour this afternoon. 

If I’m happy with the results, I’ll stop there. If I’m not happy, I’ll do 
the same thing again tomorrow. 

Yes, I could be shortening its overall life, but hey.

Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions! And if I’ve screwed anything up 
because of my knee-jerk actions, I’ll fess up. :)

Liz

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:03:45 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> The leather saddles on my commuters get wet almost weekly.  Both are 40+ 
> years old (not all in my possession).  Still going strong.  A Brooks saddle 
> is a sturdy beast - you don't need to baby it.
>
> Will
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:17 AM Michael Morrissey  
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think you should get it all wet with water. That will break it 
>> in, but it will also age it prematurely. You might want to just try some 
>> old-fashioned padded bike shorts on your Brooks for the first 100 miles.
>>
>> A recurring theme on this message board is that angle of saddle really 
>> matters. Have you tried measuring the angle with an iPhone level app? There 
>> is one built in to every iPhone. Perhaps try it angled (pointing up) 
>> between 0 and 7 degrees, adjusted and tried one degree at a time? Keep 
>> notes on what angle is most comfortable for you. Also you can use a sharpie 
>> on your seatpost clamp to draw the angle of adjustment (trace the clamp) 
>> once you have it dialed in.
>>
>> I just changed saddles on my main bike, changing one that I've had on 
>> there for about 7 years and thousands of miles to one that has mostly been 
>> sitting in a box. It was stiff for the first 100 miles but now it's just 
>> fine. I think it's angled up about 3 degrees. 
>>
>> Good luck! 
>> If that doesn't work, try a used saddle from eBay like this one:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405871744341?_skw=brooks+b17s&itmmeta=01JVMACDSHGE59KEZVQM5FGY9R&hash=item5e7fd7%3Ag%3AjMAAAOSwpYZoJ4Us&itmprp=enc%3AAQAK8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dA2R5a2um04QzCzMI%2FX3HFrTdG2KkhFELK6cM5c6AyfzQmaXz0k766hF8IxzvLCtwrR7lOYRWWjGPfLBc3fmhgrKlUM3m5LvDKLOKqBMx5TfeO%2Fvir%2Fn5RnOh84g%2BT8ntFog0s0uXfNTM4CubsDbJNn1ifrqrXtrnKPQ3w95yoi2gvMsK5axJhWEGHD835Gl66g8nAnDe76BBvW0%2BsVe5OmDvt0KeB2%2BnxFEtFJuPwwO4RmQw4tNSf6LczkkA2DqhSWz9zW8t8OmXPKUifcYDcrx0y9pU1NMsEMk8tw73MAQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_rcsYrdZQ&keyword=brooks+b17s&sacat=0&relatedSearch=true&LH_ItemCondition=3000
>>
>> If that doesn't work, just call Rivendell and buy one of the plastic 
>> saddles that they sell on the Clem completes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 8:16:48 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> You could even soak the saddle and ride it with a plastic bag over it in 
>>> dry weather.  Soaking it is how you reshape anyway, for vintage / 
>>> distressed saddles.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 Good morning on the day I go rogue with my stiff new Brooks B17s. I’ll 
 report back after the experiments. 

 Liz who will ride wet in Cincinnati

 On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely 
> shape it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip 
> with a full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to 
> perfectly formed over that day.
>
> Will near Boston
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right, 
>> but I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 
>> 2008, 
>> and we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had 
>> the 
>> saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still 
>> not 
>> very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate 
>> conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. 
>> It's 
>> 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear 
>> really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that 
>> happened 
>> but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful 
>> since, 
>> keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it 
>> nor 
>> do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and 
>> dry 
>> though, that probably helps a lot 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Will Boericke 
The leather saddles on my commuters get wet almost weekly.  Both are 40+
years old (not all in my possession).  Still going strong.  A Brooks saddle
is a sturdy beast - you don't need to baby it.

Will

On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:17 AM Michael Morrissey <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think you should get it all wet with water. That will break it in,
> but it will also age it prematurely. You might want to just try some
> old-fashioned padded bike shorts on your Brooks for the first 100 miles.
>
> A recurring theme on this message board is that angle of saddle really
> matters. Have you tried measuring the angle with an iPhone level app? There
> is one built in to every iPhone. Perhaps try it angled (pointing up)
> between 0 and 7 degrees, adjusted and tried one degree at a time? Keep
> notes on what angle is most comfortable for you. Also you can use a sharpie
> on your seatpost clamp to draw the angle of adjustment (trace the clamp)
> once you have it dialed in.
>
> I just changed saddles on my main bike, changing one that I've had on
> there for about 7 years and thousands of miles to one that has mostly been
> sitting in a box. It was stiff for the first 100 miles but now it's just
> fine. I think it's angled up about 3 degrees.
>
> Good luck!
> If that doesn't work, try a used saddle from eBay like this one:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405871744341?_skw=brooks+b17s&itmmeta=01JVMACDSHGE59KEZVQM5FGY9R&hash=item5e7fd7%3Ag%3AjMAAAOSwpYZoJ4Us&itmprp=enc%3AAQAK8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dA2R5a2um04QzCzMI%2FX3HFrTdG2KkhFELK6cM5c6AyfzQmaXz0k766hF8IxzvLCtwrR7lOYRWWjGPfLBc3fmhgrKlUM3m5LvDKLOKqBMx5TfeO%2Fvir%2Fn5RnOh84g%2BT8ntFog0s0uXfNTM4CubsDbJNn1ifrqrXtrnKPQ3w95yoi2gvMsK5axJhWEGHD835Gl66g8nAnDe76BBvW0%2BsVe5OmDvt0KeB2%2BnxFEtFJuPwwO4RmQw4tNSf6LczkkA2DqhSWz9zW8t8OmXPKUifcYDcrx0y9pU1NMsEMk8tw73MAQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_rcsYrdZQ&keyword=brooks+b17s&sacat=0&relatedSearch=true&LH_ItemCondition=3000
>
> If that doesn't work, just call Rivendell and buy one of the plastic
> saddles that they sell on the Clem completes.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 8:16:48 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> You could even soak the saddle and ride it with a plastic bag over it in
>> dry weather.  Soaking it is how you reshape anyway, for vintage /
>> distressed saddles.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning on the day I go rogue with my stiff new Brooks B17s. I’ll
>>> report back after the experiments.
>>>
>>> Liz who will ride wet in Cincinnati
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
 I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely
 shape it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip
 with a full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to
 perfectly formed over that day.

 Will near Boston

 On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right,
> but I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 2008,
> and we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had 
> the
> saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still 
> not
> very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate
> conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. It's
> 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear
> really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that happened
> but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful since,
> keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it nor
> do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and 
> dry
> though, that probably helps a lot
>
> [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Michael Morrissey 
I don't think you should get it all wet with water. That will break it in, 
but it will also age it prematurely. You might want to just try some 
old-fashioned padded bike shorts on your Brooks for the first 100 miles.

A recurring theme on this message board is that angle of saddle really 
matters. Have you tried measuring the angle with an iPhone level app? There 
is one built in to every iPhone. Perhaps try it angled (pointing up) 
between 0 and 7 degrees, adjusted and tried one degree at a time? Keep 
notes on what angle is most comfortable for you. Also you can use a sharpie 
on your seatpost clamp to draw the angle of adjustment (trace the clamp) 
once you have it dialed in.

I just changed saddles on my main bike, changing one that I've had on there 
for about 7 years and thousands of miles to one that has mostly been 
sitting in a box. It was stiff for the first 100 miles but now it's just 
fine. I think it's angled up about 3 degrees. 

Good luck! 
If that doesn't work, try a used saddle from eBay like this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405871744341?_skw=brooks+b17s&itmmeta=01JVMACDSHGE59KEZVQM5FGY9R&hash=item5e7fd7%3Ag%3AjMAAAOSwpYZoJ4Us&itmprp=enc%3AAQAK8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dA2R5a2um04QzCzMI%2FX3HFrTdG2KkhFELK6cM5c6AyfzQmaXz0k766hF8IxzvLCtwrR7lOYRWWjGPfLBc3fmhgrKlUM3m5LvDKLOKqBMx5TfeO%2Fvir%2Fn5RnOh84g%2BT8ntFog0s0uXfNTM4CubsDbJNn1ifrqrXtrnKPQ3w95yoi2gvMsK5axJhWEGHD835Gl66g8nAnDe76BBvW0%2BsVe5OmDvt0KeB2%2BnxFEtFJuPwwO4RmQw4tNSf6LczkkA2DqhSWz9zW8t8OmXPKUifcYDcrx0y9pU1NMsEMk8tw73MAQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_rcsYrdZQ&keyword=brooks+b17s&sacat=0&relatedSearch=true&LH_ItemCondition=3000

If that doesn't work, just call Rivendell and buy one of the plastic 
saddles that they sell on the Clem completes.




On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 8:16:48 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:

> You could even soak the saddle and ride it with a plastic bag over it in 
> dry weather.  Soaking it is how you reshape anyway, for vintage / 
> distressed saddles.
>
> Will
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Good morning on the day I go rogue with my stiff new Brooks B17s. I’ll 
>> report back after the experiments. 
>>
>> Liz who will ride wet in Cincinnati
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely 
>>> shape it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip 
>>> with a full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to 
>>> perfectly formed over that day.
>>>
>>> Will near Boston
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right, 
 but I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 2008, 
 and we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had 
 the 
 saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still 
 not 
 very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate 
 conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. It's 
 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear 
 really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that happened 
 but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful since, 
 keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it nor 
 do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and 
 dry 
 though, that probably helps a lot 

 [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Will Boericke 
You could even soak the saddle and ride it with a plastic bag over it in 
dry weather.  Soaking it is how you reshape anyway, for vintage / 
distressed saddles.

Will

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> Good morning on the day I go rogue with my stiff new Brooks B17s. I’ll 
> report back after the experiments. 
>
> Liz who will ride wet in Cincinnati
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely shape 
>> it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip with a 
>> full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to 
>> perfectly formed over that day.
>>
>> Will near Boston
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right, 
>>> but I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 2008, 
>>> and we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had the 
>>> saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still not 
>>> very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate 
>>> conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. It's 
>>> 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear 
>>> really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that happened 
>>> but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful since, 
>>> keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it nor 
>>> do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and dry 
>>> though, that probably helps a lot 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread [email protected] 
Good morning on the day I go rogue with my stiff new Brooks B17s. I’ll 
report back after the experiments. 

Liz who will ride wet in Cincinnati

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:23:17 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely shape 
> it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip with a 
> full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to 
> perfectly formed over that day.
>
> Will near Boston
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right, but 
>> I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 2008, and 
>> we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had the 
>> saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still not 
>> very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate 
>> conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. It's 
>> 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear 
>> really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that happened 
>> but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful since, 
>> keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it nor 
>> do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and dry 
>> though, that probably helps a lot 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-19 Thread Will Boericke 
I was just going to say: ride it in the rain.  This will definitely shape 
it faster.  My buddy broke his B17 in on a weekend bikepacking trip with a 
full day of riding in the pouring rain.  It went from brand new to 
perfectly formed over that day.

Will near Boston

On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 12:04:13 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> People will say this is a terrible idea, and they are probably right, but 
> I left my bike locked up with my B17 back when I was in college, 2008, and 
> we had an unexpected downpour right before I needed to ride.  I had the 
> saddle maybe six months at that point, not riding a ton so it was still not 
> very broken in.  It was soaked through when I rode it.  It immediate 
> conformed to my butt and was extremely comfortable from there on out. It's 
> 2025 and that saddle is still going strong, no cracks or signs of wear 
> really at all.  I did have to tighten up the nut a bit after that happened 
> but it's still got lots of adjustment left.  I've been more careful since, 
> keeping a Randi Jo cover on it when it's wet out, but I don't baby it nor 
> do I proof hide it very often. I do store it inside where it's warm and dry 
> though, that probably helps a lot 
>
> [image: PXL_20250510_211503376.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread Joe Bernard 
I've owned a few pre-owned Brookses, they were great. Let someone else 
break 'em in! 

On Sunday, May 18, 2025 at 4:41:34 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> Well, heck. For some reason, I thought this might be an easy solve. 
>
> Mike, I’ve never heard of an “aged” saddle, but I’m definitely checking it 
> out.
>
> Sally…I don’t know if my long-ago Brooks B17 was a short version or not. 
> I’ll bet it wasn’t. Maybe that’s a big part of this because the saddle DOES 
> feel a bit “off” for me. I immediately disliked it.
>
>
> And Eric…for some reason I just can’t describe, I really want a leather 
> saddle. It’s irrational. 
>
> Is it a bad idea to buy a pre-owned saddle?
> On Sunday, May 18, 2025 at 6:51:12 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Switch it to a C17. 
>>
>> I’ve never liked the leather Brooks saddles: hard, slippery, and 
>> uncomfortable. But I picked up a used C17, and it fixes all of those 
>> issues. The frame is much nicer as well—looks like a nice cast piece with 
>> saddle loops, vs the rough stamping of the B17. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 18, 2025, [email protected]  wrote:
>>
>>> Friends, 
>>>
>>> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so 
>>> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH. 
>>> So stiff! 
>>>
>>> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I 
>>> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was 
>>> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t 
>>> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco 
>>> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones 
>>> hit differently on the Platy.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating 
>>> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it. 
>>>
>>> Liz in Cincinnati
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread [email protected] 
Well, heck. For some reason, I thought this might be an easy solve. 

Mike, I’ve never heard of an “aged” saddle, but I’m definitely checking it 
out.

Sally…I don’t know if my long-ago Brooks B17 was a short version or not. 
I’ll bet it wasn’t. Maybe that’s a big part of this because the saddle DOES 
feel a bit “off” for me. I immediately disliked it.


And Eric…for some reason I just can’t describe, I really want a leather 
saddle. It’s irrational. 

Is it a bad idea to buy a pre-owned saddle?
On Sunday, May 18, 2025 at 6:51:12 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> Switch it to a C17. 
>
> I’ve never liked the leather Brooks saddles: hard, slippery, and 
> uncomfortable. But I picked up a used C17, and it fixes all of those 
> issues. The frame is much nicer as well—looks like a nice cast piece with 
> saddle loops, vs the rough stamping of the B17. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, May 18, 2025, [email protected]  wrote:
>
>> Friends, 
>>
>> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so 
>> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH. 
>> So stiff! 
>>
>> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I 
>> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was 
>> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t 
>> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco 
>> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones 
>> hit differently on the Platy.
>>
>> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating 
>> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it. 
>>
>> Liz in Cincinnati
>>
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread Mike Rossi 
I have a new saddle that I’m going to experiment with. I’ll loosen the tension bolt all the way. Then Proofide the underside. Then I‘ll massage and push around in the general vicinity of where my sit bones would be with a baseball for about 15 minutes or so every night for a week. I just started with it tonight, so I’ll keep you informed. The mallet sounds interesting, though.MikeOn May 18, 2025, at 6:51 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:Switch it to a C17. I’ve never liked the leather Brooks saddles: hard, slippery, and uncomfortable. But I picked up a used C17, and it fixes all of those issues. The frame is much nicer as well—looks like a nice cast piece with saddle loops, vs the rough stamping of the B17. EricOn Sunday, May 18, 2025, [email protected]  wrote:Friends, My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH. So stiff! I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones hit differently on the Platy.Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it. Liz in Cincinnati



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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread Eric Daume 
Switch it to a C17.

I’ve never liked the leather Brooks saddles: hard, slippery, and
uncomfortable. But I picked up a used C17, and it fixes all of those
issues. The frame is much nicer as well—looks like a nice cast piece with
saddle loops, vs the rough stamping of the B17.

Eric

On Sunday, May 18, 2025, [email protected]  wrote:

> Friends,
>
> My Brooks B67S saddle…the wide saddle with springs…was squeaking so
> distractingly much  that I decided to try the B17S (no springs), and OUCH.
> So stiff!
>
> I had a B17 many years ago and don’t remember it being so stiff, but I
> rode lots more then and perhaps I broke it in quickly. My previous B17 was
> on my Atlantis, which is set up with mustache handlebars, so I wasn’t
> riding entirely upright…the new saddle is on my Platypus with Choco
> handlebars, so I sit more upright on it, and I have a feeling my sitbones
> hit differently on the Platy.
>
> Anyway, I’m not getting any younger, and I wonder if there’s a cheating
> way to soften it up. I’ve been thinking of taking a mallet to it.
>
> Liz in Cincinnati
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore 
I gave up on leather (as opposed to leather covered plastic) saddles a
decade and a half ago, but my experience with many different Brooks models
and the stray Ideale and Fujita Belt was that if you chose the right shape
of saddle and set it up properly, the saddle was already a metaphorical 90%
of the way toward comfort. That applied even to the
concrete-bus-stop-bench-like Fujita Belt saddle, shaped IIRC like a B17
narrow. Yes, some softening would have helped but it was the shape and
position that made the most difference.

Patrick “original issue Flites, and nothing other than original issue
Flites” Moore, who could never get the tilt just right on the otherwise
impeccably comfortable Brooks Pro.

On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 4:32 PM Sally Bidleman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is it just the stiffness or is the shape different from your old B17? I
> don't find the B17S as comfortable as the standard B17...
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 3:28 PM [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> The B17 aged saddle has some give right out of the box
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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread Sally Bidleman 
Is it just the stiffness or is the shape different from your old B17? I
don't find the B17S as comfortable as the standard B17...

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Re: [RBW] Is there a shortcut way to soften up my Brooks B17?

2025-05-18 Thread [email protected] 
The B17 aged saddle has some give right out of the box

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