Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread djbardwil
ted's advise is sound and it helped formed the basis of my choice on my 
new-to-me 50cm "Mini-beam".  I rode my 650b Sam in the 46/18 combination 
without shifting on my regular route and settled around 66" as a good all 
around gearing.  I ultimately chose a 46t Sugino RD crank with an 18t White 
freewheel on one side, with a 19t fixed gear on the other.  Not having much 
experience with a fixed gear, an easier 62" gearing is what I felt 
comfortable with at this time.



On Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:34:34 PM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>
> I want to say (and could easily be wrong) that historically Schwinn geared 
> their single-speeds at 65 gear inches. So, I used that as the basis for all 
> of my single-speeds and now fixed gears. To paraphrase Ron Lau, good enough 
> for the newsboy, good enough for me!
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, ted >wrote:
>
>> Absent a one speed w/ a bag of cogs and rings the best way to see what 
>> gear is right for you is taking carful note of what gear works on a geared 
>> bike. After that adjust for wheel size/roll out, do a bit of math and you 
>> should be real close. It seems to me that whats right depends tremendously 
>> on the rider and after that the surface (i.e. dirt vs pavement). Personally 
>> I go with abt a 70 or 72 inch gear on my Simple One (running Jack Brown 
>> tires).
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:42:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Tom and Dan.  It's pretty much unanimous.  Somewhere in the mid 
>>> 60s is a good thing to try for my "normal" gear.  My climbing gear depends 
>>> on what I can push.  For sure this 38/35 and 16/19 will be my first shot at 
>>> it.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:39:39 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

  40 x 17 on my QB with Jack Brown 33s


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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread Lee Chae
I want to say (and could easily be wrong) that historically Schwinn geared
their single-speeds at 65 gear inches. So, I used that as the basis for all
of my single-speeds and now fixed gears. To paraphrase Ron Lau, good enough
for the newsboy, good enough for me!

Lee


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, ted  wrote:

> Absent a one speed w/ a bag of cogs and rings the best way to see what
> gear is right for you is taking carful note of what gear works on a geared
> bike. After that adjust for wheel size/roll out, do a bit of math and you
> should be real close. It seems to me that whats right depends tremendously
> on the rider and after that the surface (i.e. dirt vs pavement). Personally
> I go with abt a 70 or 72 inch gear on my Simple One (running Jack Brown
> tires).
>
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:42:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tom and Dan.  It's pretty much unanimous.  Somewhere in the mid
>> 60s is a good thing to try for my "normal" gear.  My climbing gear depends
>> on what I can push.  For sure this 38/35 and 16/19 will be my first shot at
>> it.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:39:39 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  40 x 17 on my QB with Jack Brown 33s
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread ted
Absent a one speed w/ a bag of cogs and rings the best way to see what gear 
is right for you is taking carful note of what gear works on a geared bike. 
After that adjust for wheel size/roll out, do a bit of math and you should 
be real close. It seems to me that whats right depends tremendously on the 
rider and after that the surface (i.e. dirt vs pavement). Personally I go 
with abt a 70 or 72 inch gear on my Simple One (running Jack Brown tires).

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:42:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Thanks Tom and Dan.  It's pretty much unanimous.  Somewhere in the mid 60s 
> is a good thing to try for my "normal" gear.  My climbing gear depends on 
> what I can push.  For sure this 38/35 and 16/19 will be my first shot at 
> it.  
>
> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:39:39 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  40 x 17 on my QB with Jack Brown 33s
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Thanks Tom and Dan.  It's pretty much unanimous.  Somewhere in the mid 60s 
is a good thing to try for my "normal" gear.  My climbing gear depends on 
what I can push.  For sure this 38/35 and 16/19 will be my first shot at 
it.  

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:39:39 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  40 x 17 on my QB with Jack Brown 33s
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
40 x 17 on my QB with Jack Brown 33s

From: [email protected] 
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?


I run 40 x 16 on my Quickbeam with 700 x 35 tires.

Dan Abelson
On Mar 12, 2014 2:10 PM, "Bill Lindsay" 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I have a build concept for a SimpleBeam kind of thing.  The steep hill I live 
on completely rules out a singlespeed for the uphill part, and rules out riding 
fixed for the downhill part.  Still, I notice that for my commute I use a 
particular small handful of gears.  It makes me think that it is plausible for 
me to build a 2-speed, using a White 16/19 on the back and two chainrings on 
the front with 3-teeth of difference, so I could have one rear wheel position.

Right now my concept is a 35/38 in front with the 16/19 in back.  My two gears: 
35x19 and 38x16 would be 50" and 64" with 27" diameter wheels (700x32).
On a 110mm BCD, I could alternatively easily run a 36/39, a 39/42, a 40/43 or a 
42/45 in front without having to chase down any weird chainrings.
On a 94mm BCD, I could run a 29/32 for offroady stuff.

As a shifting maneuver, I'd loosen the right side bolt.  Stick-shift the chain 
from big-to-small and then from small-to-big.  Then tighten the right side bolt 
again and ride away.

Anyway, by my numbers, spinning at 110RPM with a 27" diameter wheel is 21mph, 
which is plenty fast for road cruising for me, especially when I can coast 
downhills.  I think I can handle the 50" gear up my hill as well.

I wonder what others feel they need.  I know Patrick Moore zens out with a slow 
metronome cadence climbing with 70-something gear inches.  Who else thinks my 
two speeds are a bad idea?

Bill Lindsay

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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread Dan Abelson
I run 40 x 16 on my Quickbeam with 700 x 35 tires.

Dan Abelson
On Mar 12, 2014 2:10 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> I have a build concept for a SimpleBeam kind of thing.  The steep hill I
> live on completely rules out a singlespeed for the uphill part, and rules
> out riding fixed for the downhill part.  Still, I notice that for my
> commute I use a particular small handful of gears.  It makes me think that
> it is plausible for me to build a 2-speed, using a White 16/19 on the back
> and two chainrings on the front with 3-teeth of difference, so I could have
> one rear wheel position.
>
> Right now my concept is a 35/38 in front with the 16/19 in back.  My two
> gears: 35x19 and 38x16 would be 50" and 64" with 27" diameter wheels
> (700x32).
> On a 110mm BCD, I could alternatively easily run a 36/39, a 39/42, a 40/43
> or a 42/45 in front without having to chase down any weird chainrings.
> On a 94mm BCD, I could run a 29/32 for offroady stuff.
>
> As a shifting maneuver, I'd loosen the right side bolt.  Stick-shift the
> chain from big-to-small and then from small-to-big.  Then tighten the right
> side bolt again and ride away.
>
> Anyway, by my numbers, spinning at 110RPM with a 27" diameter wheel is
> 21mph, which is plenty fast for road cruising for me, especially when I can
> coast downhills.  I think I can handle the 50" gear up my hill as well.
>
> I wonder what others feel they need.  I know Patrick Moore zens out with a
> slow metronome cadence climbing with 70-something gear inches.  Who else
> thinks my two speeds are a bad idea?
>
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-13 Thread Philip Williamson
Thanks, Doug, for that S3X gear chart. I like all three of those gears, but I 
haven't seen a 53t ring at my house in... Ever. A 48x15 should be similar-ish. 
This thread has me revisiting my S3X (SB(rown)X - nice!) and Sachs Automatic 
internal multispeed hubs. The news about the White Industries 16/19 freewheel 
has me thinking, too...

Philip
www.biketinker.com 
(I fixed a Brooks saddle this weekend)

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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
thanks doug.  i'm pretty sure that fixed is not in my future, but you never know

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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Doug Litchfield
Hello Bill,

May I proffer this..
First, the much maligned in some circles, Sturmey S3X .
Quick fiddling with Sheldon's gear calculator yield gearing similar to the
one you mention
*For 700 X 32 / 32-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s)
Cassette**With Sturmey-Archer 3-speed fixed gear S3X Rear Hub*0.63 (Low)0.751.0
(High)
531752.6
531763.1
531784.2

This setup is how one of my S3X bikes is equipped.


Second, if WI truly lights your candle, I believe you can change out one
cog (subject to availability!) for another.
WI gives you instructions on removing cogs from the body, for replacement,
in their box.


Doug
(Mine are all S*B*X's 'cuz I have a sharpie and I'm not afraid to use it!)
Rock Springs, WY





On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, JL  wrote:

> Lee,
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:
>
> JL: Riv sells them!
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, JL  wrote:
>
>> Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found
>> the 16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can
>> still be had.
>>
>> Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed)
>> SF,CA
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread JL
Lee,

Thanks!



> On Mar 12, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:
> 
> JL: Riv sells them!
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, JL  wrote:
>> Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found 
>> the 16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can 
>> still be had. 
>> 
>> Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed) 
>> SF,CA
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.  
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Matthew J
Speaking of White - avoid or at least be careful with the easy off pedal 
crank arms.  

I got a set for my light touring bike, thinking it would make it easier to 
board Amtrak and the local heavy rail commuter trains.  Last fall on a trip 
to the Spoon River Valley area of Central Illinois I managed to insert the 
pedal on the right crank arm incorrectly.  After a few hours riding I had 
completely stripped out the pins.  I could only get power to the crank from 
my left leg.  

Seemed like a cool idea when I tried it anyway.  And of course all my other 
White components have been nothing short of wonderful.

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:29:06 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Jason
>
> White Industries has them.  You just have to ask for it.  They describe it 
> in the context of their double/double system here:  
> http://whiteind.com/double-double-system.html
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:10:32 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>>
>> Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found 
>> the 16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can 
>> still be had. 
>>
>> Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed) 
>> SF,CA
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
Jason

White Industries has them.  You just have to ask for it.  They describe it 
in the context of their double/double system here: 
 http://whiteind.com/double-double-system.html


On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:10:32 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>
> Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found 
> the 16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can 
> still be had. 
>
> Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed) 
> SF,CA
>
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Lee Chae
JL: Riv sells them!


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, JL  wrote:

> Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found
> the 16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can
> still be had.
>
> Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed)
> SF,CA
>
> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.
>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread JL
Oh. I spoke too quickly.  I used a popular internet search tool and found the 
16/19 freewheels.  White industries no longer lists the size but it can still 
be had. 

Jason (soon to have a two speed single speed) 
SF,CA

> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.  
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread JL
Bill, 

Your math and plan seem spot on! FWIW the dos eno freewheels come in a 2 tooth 
difference. 16/18, 17/19, or 20/22.  If you have a secret vender for a 16/19 
(or greater) let me know. I would buy one in a heartbeat.

I have recently gotten back into single speed riding and on my Trek I have a 
42x20 freewheel.  I had plans to use a two speed fixed gear setup but ended up 
with a white industries wheelset. They make two speed freewheels but need 
proprietary fixed gear cogs.  My freewheel set up with 57" gearing works well 
for me here in the san francisco hills.  

My two speed plan were to use a 17/21 Surly Dingle cog and a 38x34 110 
crankset.  Which would yield a high gear of 60" and a low of 44". The 60" gear 
would be my all around gear and the low gear would just be used as a knee saver 
for long and steep climbs or a slow gear for dirt paths.  To me the 4t total 
difference from the dos eno freewheels is good for terrain changes (roads to 
offroad for example) but don't offer the same sort of flat ground to steep hill 
change you may be looking for.  Single speeds are so sweet though, once you 
find a gear that works you don't miss the other ones. 

Jason
sf,ca

> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I have a build concept for a SimpleBeam kind of thing.  The steep hill I live 
> on completely rules out a singlespeed for the uphill part, and rules out 
> riding fixed for the downhill part.  Still, I notice that for my commute I 
> use a particular small handful of gears.  It makes me think that it is 
> plausible for me to build a 2-speed, using a White 16/19 on the back and two 
> chainrings on the front with 3-teeth of difference, so I could have one rear 
> wheel position.  
> 
> Right now my concept is a 35/38 in front with the 16/19 in back.  My two 
> gears: 35x19 and 38x16 would be 50" and 64" with 27" diameter wheels (700x32).
> On a 110mm BCD, I could alternatively easily run a 36/39, a 39/42, a 40/43 or 
> a 42/45 in front without having to chase down any weird chainrings.  
> On a 94mm BCD, I could run a 29/32 for offroady stuff.  
> 
> As a shifting maneuver, I'd loosen the right side bolt.  Stick-shift the 
> chain from big-to-small and then from small-to-big.  Then tighten the right 
> side bolt again and ride away.  
> 
> Anyway, by my numbers, spinning at 110RPM with a 27" diameter wheel is 21mph, 
> which is plenty fast for road cruising for me, especially when I can coast 
> downhills.  I think I can handle the 50" gear up my hill as well.
> 
> I wonder what others feel they need.  I know Patrick Moore zens out with a 
> slow metronome cadence climbing with 70-something gear inches.  Who else 
> thinks my two speeds are a bad idea?
> 
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Bill Lindsay
Thanks and thanks.  This has me liking my 35/38 idea.  

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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Lee Chae
Hi Bill. I ride my QB fixed at 41x16 (66 gear inches on 650Bx36mm, 165mm
cranks). I also use a 16/19 WI Dos freewheel (66/55.6 gear inches) when I
ride on trails. The 41x19 has gotten me up a lot of trails in the
Headlands, just for reference sakes. YMMV though because my quads are burly
like a loaf of Wonderbread.

Best,
Lee


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> I use a 42x18 on a 700x28 wheel.   There are a few uphills where it gets
> rough, but then I just walk.   Its pretty standard gearing.  I'm too old
> for a 42x16 anymore.  I have to figure that for most of us, our bikes back
> in the day usually came with a 42x21 low gear.So a 42x18 fixed is
> pretty functional.
>
> For going downhill fixed, just take your feet off the pedals.  Its much
> easier than shifting gears.
>  Scott
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I have a build concept for a SimpleBeam kind of thing.  The steep hill I
>> live on completely rules out a singlespeed for the uphill part, and rules
>> out riding fixed for the downhill part.  Still, I notice that for my
>> commute I use a particular small handful of gears.  It makes me think that
>> it is plausible for me to build a 2-speed, using a White 16/19 on the back
>> and two chainrings on the front with 3-teeth of difference, so I could have
>> one rear wheel position.
>>
>> Right now my concept is a 35/38 in front with the 16/19 in back.  My two
>> gears: 35x19 and 38x16 would be 50" and 64" with 27" diameter wheels
>> (700x32).
>> On a 110mm BCD, I could alternatively easily run a 36/39, a 39/42, a
>> 40/43 or a 42/45 in front without having to chase down any weird
>> chainrings.
>> On a 94mm BCD, I could run a 29/32 for offroady stuff.
>>
>> As a shifting maneuver, I'd loosen the right side bolt.  Stick-shift the
>> chain from big-to-small and then from small-to-big.  Then tighten the right
>> side bolt again and ride away.
>>
>> Anyway, by my numbers, spinning at 110RPM with a 27" diameter wheel is
>> 21mph, which is plenty fast for road cruising for me, especially when I can
>> coast downhills.  I think I can handle the 50" gear up my hill as well.
>>
>> I wonder what others feel they need.  I know Patrick Moore zens out with
>> a slow metronome cadence climbing with 70-something gear inches.  Who else
>> thinks my two speeds are a bad idea?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>>
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Re: [RBW] Poll: What are your single speed gears?

2014-03-12 Thread Scott Henry
I use a 42x18 on a 700x28 wheel.   There are a few uphills where it gets
rough, but then I just walk.   Its pretty standard gearing.  I'm too old
for a 42x16 anymore.  I have to figure that for most of us, our bikes back
in the day usually came with a 42x21 low gear.So a 42x18 fixed is
pretty functional.

For going downhill fixed, just take your feet off the pedals.  Its much
easier than shifting gears.
Scott


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I have a build concept for a SimpleBeam kind of thing.  The steep hill I
> live on completely rules out a singlespeed for the uphill part, and rules
> out riding fixed for the downhill part.  Still, I notice that for my
> commute I use a particular small handful of gears.  It makes me think that
> it is plausible for me to build a 2-speed, using a White 16/19 on the back
> and two chainrings on the front with 3-teeth of difference, so I could have
> one rear wheel position.
>
> Right now my concept is a 35/38 in front with the 16/19 in back.  My two
> gears: 35x19 and 38x16 would be 50" and 64" with 27" diameter wheels
> (700x32).
> On a 110mm BCD, I could alternatively easily run a 36/39, a 39/42, a 40/43
> or a 42/45 in front without having to chase down any weird chainrings.
> On a 94mm BCD, I could run a 29/32 for offroady stuff.
>
> As a shifting maneuver, I'd loosen the right side bolt.  Stick-shift the
> chain from big-to-small and then from small-to-big.  Then tighten the right
> side bolt again and ride away.
>
> Anyway, by my numbers, spinning at 110RPM with a 27" diameter wheel is
> 21mph, which is plenty fast for road cruising for me, especially when I can
> coast downhills.  I think I can handle the 50" gear up my hill as well.
>
> I wonder what others feel they need.  I know Patrick Moore zens out with a
> slow metronome cadence climbing with 70-something gear inches.  Who else
> thinks my two speeds are a bad idea?
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
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