Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
I'm with CT on this one, moustache bars work great for me on offroad/singletrack descents.But then so do 42cm Noodles.I don't get along well with wide bars, and I've tried.In fact, even the old-style M-bars I have are a touch wide, but they're still doable and I like them. I have a tiny bird-shaped body though, no shoulders to speak of. On Monday, September 2, 2013 1:13:54 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > > Interesting... yes, much closer together than on a wide MTB bar. I > ride in singletrack all the time, and not been a problem, but YMMV on > that :-) > > On 9/2/13, Mike > wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, September 2, 2013 9:53:41 AM UTC-7, [email protected]: > >> > >> I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or > >> old). > >> > > > > Hands are too close together. I came bombing down Germantown Rd with > them > > on my Rambouillet a few years back and felt like I had lousy control of > the > > > > bike going into and through twisty and tight corners at speed. I was > sorta > > hoping the wider width of the new bars would resolve that issue. > > > > --mike > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > Cheers, > David > > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
I have interruptors on all my drop bar bikes, but don't use them on descents, especially technical ones. They're great in the JRA position on the tops though. On 9/2/13, Patrick Moore wrote: > IME, the problem with all bars other than "straight" mountain bars for > descents is that braking requires you to maintain a forward bar grip rather > than a rearward one, meaning that your weight is further forward rather > than further rearward. For me, and for many, no doubt, beneficial tradeoffs > outweigh this essential disadvantage, but it is a real disadvantage. > > FWIW, I've used M-bars, the Midge, and many other non-"mtb" bars off road > and greatly prefer my current B135 Rando bar to any mtb bar I know of, but > they all have this liaibility. > > I just removed the interrupter levers from the B135s, since the > "rando-rise" to the ramps makes gripping the flats uncomfortable, but IME > too, interrupters on all but the flats of the widest drop bars are pretty > much useless on steep, delicate descents where you want max control. > > No doubt trekking bars or the old AT bar with built in bar ends -- or mtb > bars with bar ends -- which all reverse the brake position, putting levers > closest to the saddle, are the best solution if you want both an extended > position and a close-in braking position. > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, cyclotourist > wrote: > >> I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or >> old). I find that hands up in the hooks portion is incredibly natural, >> sort of like a mountain bike bar on descents. Your weight gets pushed >> onto it and it's really secure and able to grab the brakes. It's the >> best feature of the M's in my opinion. Midge bars are the only ones >> that may have a better off-road braking position, and that is at the >> expense of multiple other positions like the M's have. >> >> Anyway, my $.02 >> >> -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > [email protected] > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
Interesting... yes, much closer together than on a wide MTB bar. I ride in singletrack all the time, and not been a problem, but YMMV on that :-) On 9/2/13, Mike wrote: > > > On Monday, September 2, 2013 9:53:41 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: >> >> I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or >> old). >> > > Hands are too close together. I came bombing down Germantown Rd with them > on my Rambouillet a few years back and felt like I had lousy control of the > > bike going into and through twisty and tight corners at speed. I was sorta > hoping the wider width of the new bars would resolve that issue. > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
IME, the problem with all bars other than "straight" mountain bars for descents is that braking requires you to maintain a forward bar grip rather than a rearward one, meaning that your weight is further forward rather than further rearward. For me, and for many, no doubt, beneficial tradeoffs outweigh this essential disadvantage, but it is a real disadvantage. FWIW, I've used M-bars, the Midge, and many other non-"mtb" bars off road and greatly prefer my current B135 Rando bar to any mtb bar I know of, but they all have this liaibility. I just removed the interrupter levers from the B135s, since the "rando-rise" to the ramps makes gripping the flats uncomfortable, but IME too, interrupters on all but the flats of the widest drop bars are pretty much useless on steep, delicate descents where you want max control. No doubt trekking bars or the old AT bar with built in bar ends -- or mtb bars with bar ends -- which all reverse the brake position, putting levers closest to the saddle, are the best solution if you want both an extended position and a close-in braking position. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, cyclotourist wrote: > I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or > old). I find that hands up in the hooks portion is incredibly natural, > sort of like a mountain bike bar on descents. Your weight gets pushed > onto it and it's really secure and able to grab the brakes. It's the > best feature of the M's in my opinion. Midge bars are the only ones > that may have a better off-road braking position, and that is at the > expense of multiple other positions like the M's have. > > Anyway, my $.02 > > -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html [email protected] http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
On Monday, September 2, 2013 9:53:41 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: > > I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or > old). > Hands are too close together. I came bombing down Germantown Rd with them on my Rambouillet a few years back and felt like I had lousy control of the bike going into and through twisty and tight corners at speed. I was sorta hoping the wider width of the new bars would resolve that issue. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastaches, how're you liking them?
I'm not understanding the problem with descents on M-bars (new or old). I find that hands up in the hooks portion is incredibly natural, sort of like a mountain bike bar on descents. Your weight gets pushed onto it and it's really secure and able to grab the brakes. It's the best feature of the M's in my opinion. Midge bars are the only ones that may have a better off-road braking position, and that is at the expense of multiple other positions like the M's have. Anyway, my $.02 On 9/2/13, Clayton wrote: > Hi Mike, > I used them for a short time on my Atlantis. For moustache bars they are > great. I have major problems with carpal tunnel syndrome and very stiff > wrists and could not use the flat levers. My wrists don't bend that way. > Other than that, I much preferred them to the old mustache bars. With the > new Alabastache, I used the same length stem and had no issues with reach. > I didn't even put them up for sale, and was contacted by someone from the > group who bought them after I posted they were great, but didn't work for > me. I think the same issue you have with descents will be the same with the > > new bars. > > On Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:41:53 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: >> >> So the Albastache bars have been available for a while. Who's using them >> and how are you liking them. I tried using the original M-bars a few years >> >> ago and didn't really like them. They felt great for climbing but I hated >> >> the way they felt on fast or technical descents. >> >> Also, if you swapped from drop bars to Albastaches did you go with a >> shorter stem? Seems like you could use the same stem as with drop bars >> given the shorter reach and less drop of the Albastaches. I know with the >> >> original M-bars it was suggested to go with a stem 2cm shorter. >> >> Thanks. >> >> --mike >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Cheers, David "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
