Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-10-03 Thread Chris Halasz 
Informational website for bike lock reviews (I have no shared interest): 

https://thebestbikelock.com

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 3:01:55 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> I don't love that tool, it feels awkward; but also. many years using the 
> normal chain whips.  I thought i'd give it a try.  Much more leverage 
> possible w chain whips
>
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 1:17:38 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tangent, but not irrelevant: what, pray, is that cog pliers tool, and 
>> does it work better to immobilize cassettes against torque than the 
>> standard chain whip?
>>
>> I expect it's this one: 
>> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/cassette-pliers-cp-1-2
>>
>> Second, and most importat: does it work well to remove hard-screwed-on 
>> fixed cogs, or is it effective only to hold cassettes still?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-10-01 Thread Armand Kizirian 
The most effective theft deterrent I've ever come across is this gadget 
right here. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C27TVWHV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 


Louder than most car alarms. No one will want to deal with getting past 
your u-lock with 110 decibels in their ears. I keep one attached to my bike 
rack on my van as well. 

If you hide an airtag, remove the speaker from it. Lots of tutorials online 
for how-to. Anyone can sound an airtag and find it. The best thing is to 
hide a decoy with the speaker detached, and one more typically placed 
unmodified. When they find the unmodified one, they will think they found 
the "one" while the other is tracking the whole time. 

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 10:17:38 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tangent, but not irrelevant: what, pray, is that cog pliers tool, and does 
> it work better to immobilize cassettes against torque than the standard 
> chain whip?
>
> I expect it's this one: 
> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/cassette-pliers-cp-1-2
>
> Second, and most importat: does it work well to remove hard-screwed-on 
> fixed cogs, or is it effective only to hold cassettes still?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-10-01 Thread [email protected] 
I don't love that tool, it feels awkward; but also. many years using the 
normal chain whips.  I thought i'd give it a try.  Much more leverage 
possible w chain whips

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 1:17:38 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tangent, but not irrelevant: what, pray, is that cog pliers tool, and does 
> it work better to immobilize cassettes against torque than the standard 
> chain whip?
>
> I expect it's this one: 
> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/cassette-pliers-cp-1-2
>
> Second, and most importat: does it work well to remove hard-screwed-on 
> fixed cogs, or is it effective only to hold cassettes still?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-10-01 Thread Bob Walicki 
I had (have?) a knog and an AirTag (hidden under the saddle) on a Surly
Disc Trucker that was stolen.

I could see where it was and called only an hour or two after it was
stolen. Cops were willing to drive by the property (on all sides) to try to
get a visual, but unwilling to pull a search warrant. Bike wasn't visible
from outside and It's in a fairly high-crime area of Chicago, so I do
understand.

But, still more than a little frustrating to know where it is (was), but
not be able to recover it.

At this point, I'm assuming the tags have been removed, but who knows?

On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 10:54 AM Feldspar Palimpsest <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Even junkers get stolen. A friend who was a bike messenger in NYC in the
> 1980s to
> D me that he and his friends were constantly on the lookout for old frames
> and parts, as the thrown-together bikes they rode in their jobs were
> regularly stolen.
>
> There’s a bike shop not far from me with a reputation for buying any and
> all bikes that get brought in. They get stripped for parts for repairs and
> resale, and frames get a rattle can paint job..
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 10:41:00 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> you can get an idea of the intentional hamfistedness of the tape
>> covering. and again, it came off residue free. The tires are still blingy
>> looking because of logo emphasis. But on the whole, the bike looks like a
>> real beater, unless you're looking closely (it's a Jones LWB)
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1240.jpg.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-30 Thread Tom Wyland 
I lock my Platypus at my office in the parking garage. My office is in a 
suburban area and I use one heavy u-lock and no QR locks (although I like 
this idea a lot). I also ride my Riv in the rain. My office is moving to a 
more theft-prone area next year, but they do have lockers there I can 
hopefully squeeze my bike into. My high-security setup would be one u-lock 
and one heavy chain lock.

One thing to consider is how others lock their bikes in the same area. In 
Montreal all the bikes have mid-range or better u-locks.  Where my son goes 
to school everyone uses cable locks or no lock. 

Tom




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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-29 Thread rltilley 
And even the highest security lock is worthless if you lock up to something that’s easily defeated. Thieves will just cut the rack or pole you are locked to and take the bike somewhere where they can work on the lock. I always use a lock through the frame and at least one through a wheel so at least the bike can’t be ridden away if the thief cuts the bike rack or pole I locked to.I just try and make my bike more work to steal and hopefully the thieves will think that it is not worth the time.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Sep 29, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Feldspar Palimpsest  wrote:I’ll add a couple of observations: If a bike is worth locking, it’s worth locking properly. Campuses are right up there with New York City as one of the highest risks places to lock a bike, and I wouldn’t use anything less than a Kryptonite lock with a hardened chain and a disc detainer type locking mechanism. Most tumbler locks (and all Master locks) can be defeated in seconds. Most combination locks can be defeated faster than you can dial in the combination. Cables can be snipped in an instant. There are a lot of fancy new bike locks that claim to be high security but are about as secure as a zip-tie. A $100-120 lock is cheap insurance for a $2,000 bike.On Friday, September 27, 2024 at 3:59:43 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:Hey Jason, thanks for the suggestion, I actually bought an airtag recently and 3D printed a case that can mount it under the saddle! Here's a picture:On Friday, September 27, 2024 at 3:54:23 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:I use the Hexlox inserts on the allen bolts for both seatpost collar and in the seatpost clamp, as well as on both wheels (with allen head skewers). I do recommend these, though they can sometimes be fiddly to remove.  For locking the bike in place, as you say the risk level is largely personal, but two good locks would make me feel pretty comfortable in this situation - provided I had the financial means to replace it with a similar bike if I had to.  One U-lock and one chain lock is a good combo, since they require different approaches for a would-be thief. Also it might be worth considering using an Air-tag to track the bike if anything were to happen. I don't, but they are gaining popularity On Thursday 26 September 2024 at 17:59:02 UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:I second most of what has been said by others. Nice bikes are meant to be ridden. Investing in a good solution for locking up your bike is wise - but not fool proof. I have lost saddles and other stuff from bikes that were locked up. I have invested in Kryptonite Faghettaboudit locks, Hiploks, and square link boron chains with heavy Mul-t-lock padlocks. But if someone really wants your bike, they're going to get it. They will bring angle grinders, pry bars, etc. to defeat your security solution.I have used group parking facilities in the past. My first Rivendell Custom lived in one for about ten years. The downside of group parking facilities is that people can piggy-back on others entering the facility, linger after others leave and steal bikes.The best option I have found, by far, is individual bike lockers. They are not widely available (probably should be), but they greatly simplify the problem. In the San Francisco Bay Area, you can rent a bike locker from https://www.bikelink.org/ for $0.03 - 0.05/hour. No need to carry a heavy lock or chain when you have access to bike lockers.I realize most people outside the Bay Area do not have the option of bike lockers. But if enough of a ruckus were made, bike lockers could become widely available.Regards,CorwinOn Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active security personnel.At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike locker! Thanks in advance!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-26 Thread Ryan 
Understoodgreat the Raleigh is going to your Dad...and yeah...get those 
component locks. It's good that your bike locker is not as out-of-the-way 
as I first thought.

Also show us some pictures of your new Homer! 


On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 12:12:40 AM UTC-5 [email protected] 
wrote:

> Thanks everyone, I've been reading all the responses and decided to use it 
> as a commuter even though I can see using a beater as a very safe option. 
> It's hard to describe the room, but there are big openings and people right 
> outside of them studying at all hours of the day. I think it would be 
> really hard to run one of those battery-powered angle grinders without 
> someone peeking in and realizing what's happening, so I'm thinking that 
> it'll be okay. I'm looking around at different component lock mechanisms 
> since it seems like a good thing to have. 
>
> Also, I wanted to say the Raleigh is going to my dad so it's not really an 
> option for me to use after I give it to him!
>
> Thanks for the large amount of responses and advice I got!
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 9:55:06 PM UTC-4 Eric Karnes wrote:
>
>> I can relate. My current living situation required me to make the 
>> following decision:
>>
>>
>> (A) Lock up my current Riv outside in South Philadelphia (albeit under a 
>> rain cover and behind a locked gate in the back yard of a row house); or
>>
>> (B) Sell it and not have a nice bike to ride.
>>
>>
>> Needless to say, I chose option A. Obviously, I’ll be absolutely gutted 
>> if my Riv is stolen. But if it means being able to regularly ride and enjoy 
>> the bike, I’m willing to take the chance. I agree wholeheartedly with Leah. 
>> I’ve owned two Homers over the years. They are wonderful bikes and we all 
>> pay good money for our Rivendells because of their beauty and ride quality. 
>> But if–worst case scenario–yours got stolen, with a little bit of patience 
>> (and reaching out to the RBW group), you could likely eventually find 
>> another. I know this is easier said than done and it would be a financial 
>> (and emotional) hit. But I say, ride it as much as you can. Even if that 
>> entails some risk in locking it up during commuting. 
>>
>>
>> Just my two cents. That said, multiple quality U locks (and cables) never 
>> hurt…especially if you can leave one of them in the bike locker at your 
>> university. And I’m going to look into these Hexlox…
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 9:03:20 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://hiplok.com/product/hiplok-d1000/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_campaign=US+Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=40860¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6c63BhAiEiwAF0EH1KK-KrJnR8sg3CoUqpz82OAPWGMmpQ1wgwSm31zqBFSmh-lbEfd5ExoCHt8QAvD_BwE
>>>
>>> and 
>>>
>>> https://www.pitlock.de/en/
>>>
>>> and 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.urbanbiketech.com/installation-guides/pitlock-hex-bolt-security/
>>>
>>> a rivendell is well deserving of a hiplok. if i wasn't so cheap i'd have 
>>> one by now. (i lock my riv up all the time, albeit not for prolonged 
>>> periods of time in a scheduled way like work or a class)
>>>
>>> pitlocks also allow for needling less things like extra locks and cables.
>>>
>>> pitstoppers help with the smaller bits on your bike. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Well Patrick, in reality, my X0-1 and SS PX10 made fine daily 
 riders...so I think that mine was a Solomon-like solution.Daily commuting 
 should be pleasurable and I also didn't have the cognitive burden of 
 worrying about a custom and the X0-1 and PX10 are still herenow if I'd 
 been occupying the corner office, I wouldn't think twice about trotting 
 out 
 the Rivs. In your earlier post you did mention secure office space, so 
 totally makes sense to ride one of your lovely customs. 

 Again, in my case a totally moot point. 

 On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less 
> satisfactory bike for most of your riding?
>
> Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more 
> disposable, if not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying 
> Clems 
> for this purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that 
> myself; 
> the price for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.
>
> Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering 
> dust while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on 
> various 
> beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn 
> it 
> into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 
> more 
> years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.
>
> (*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd 
> kept: ~ top

Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Anthony Davila 
Thanks everyone, I've been reading all the responses and decided to use it 
as a commuter even though I can see using a beater as a very safe option. 
It's hard to describe the room, but there are big openings and people right 
outside of them studying at all hours of the day. I think it would be 
really hard to run one of those battery-powered angle grinders without 
someone peeking in and realizing what's happening, so I'm thinking that 
it'll be okay. I'm looking around at different component lock mechanisms 
since it seems like a good thing to have. 

Also, I wanted to say the Raleigh is going to my dad so it's not really an 
option for me to use after I give it to him!

Thanks for the large amount of responses and advice I got!

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 9:55:06 PM UTC-4 Eric Karnes wrote:

> I can relate. My current living situation required me to make the 
> following decision:
>
>
> (A) Lock up my current Riv outside in South Philadelphia (albeit under a 
> rain cover and behind a locked gate in the back yard of a row house); or
>
> (B) Sell it and not have a nice bike to ride.
>
>
> Needless to say, I chose option A. Obviously, I’ll be absolutely gutted if 
> my Riv is stolen. But if it means being able to regularly ride and enjoy 
> the bike, I’m willing to take the chance. I agree wholeheartedly with Leah. 
> I’ve owned two Homers over the years. They are wonderful bikes and we all 
> pay good money for our Rivendells because of their beauty and ride quality. 
> But if–worst case scenario–yours got stolen, with a little bit of patience 
> (and reaching out to the RBW group), you could likely eventually find 
> another. I know this is easier said than done and it would be a financial 
> (and emotional) hit. But I say, ride it as much as you can. Even if that 
> entails some risk in locking it up during commuting. 
>
>
> Just my two cents. That said, multiple quality U locks (and cables) never 
> hurt…especially if you can leave one of them in the bike locker at your 
> university. And I’m going to look into these Hexlox…
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 9:03:20 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://hiplok.com/product/hiplok-d1000/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_campaign=US+Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=40860¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6c63BhAiEiwAF0EH1KK-KrJnR8sg3CoUqpz82OAPWGMmpQ1wgwSm31zqBFSmh-lbEfd5ExoCHt8QAvD_BwE
>>
>> and 
>>
>> https://www.pitlock.de/en/
>>
>> and 
>>
>>
>> https://www.urbanbiketech.com/installation-guides/pitlock-hex-bolt-security/
>>
>> a rivendell is well deserving of a hiplok. if i wasn't so cheap i'd have 
>> one by now. (i lock my riv up all the time, albeit not for prolonged 
>> periods of time in a scheduled way like work or a class)
>>
>> pitlocks also allow for needling less things like extra locks and cables.
>>
>> pitstoppers help with the smaller bits on your bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Well Patrick, in reality, my X0-1 and SS PX10 made fine daily 
>>> riders...so I think that mine was a Solomon-like solution.Daily commuting 
>>> should be pleasurable and I also didn't have the cognitive burden of 
>>> worrying about a custom and the X0-1 and PX10 are still herenow if I'd 
>>> been occupying the corner office, I wouldn't think twice about trotting out 
>>> the Rivs. In your earlier post you did mention secure office space, so 
>>> totally makes sense to ride one of your lovely customs. 
>>>
>>> Again, in my case a totally moot point. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less 
 satisfactory bike for most of your riding?

 Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more 
 disposable, if not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying 
 Clems 
 for this purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself; 
 the price for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.

 Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering 
 dust while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on 
 various 
 beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn it 
 into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 
 more 
 years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.

 (*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd 
 kept: ~ top-end 1990 Diamond Back Axis/Access/Axes Team with ENO fixed hub 
 and 60 mm Big Apples and a 64" fixed gear, and a late '80s (I think; at 
 any 
 rate, an early model) Raleigh Technium flexy flyer 
 alum-tubes-glued-into-plumbing-pipe-steel-lugs + steel fork sports tourer, 
 also set up as a fixed gear. The DB exhibited perfectly neutral handling 
 -- 
 IMO the high point of NORBA geometry, the Noodle was high e

Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Eric Karnes 


I can relate. My current living situation required me to make the following 
decision:


(A) Lock up my current Riv outside in South Philadelphia (albeit under a 
rain cover and behind a locked gate in the back yard of a row house); or

(B) Sell it and not have a nice bike to ride.


Needless to say, I chose option A. Obviously, I’ll be absolutely gutted if 
my Riv is stolen. But if it means being able to regularly ride and enjoy 
the bike, I’m willing to take the chance. I agree wholeheartedly with Leah. 
I’ve owned two Homers over the years. They are wonderful bikes and we all 
pay good money for our Rivendells because of their beauty and ride quality. 
But if–worst case scenario–yours got stolen, with a little bit of patience 
(and reaching out to the RBW group), you could likely eventually find 
another. I know this is easier said than done and it would be a financial 
(and emotional) hit. But I say, ride it as much as you can. Even if that 
entails some risk in locking it up during commuting. 


Just my two cents. That said, multiple quality U locks (and cables) never 
hurt…especially if you can leave one of them in the bike locker at your 
university. And I’m going to look into these Hexlox…

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 9:03:20 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

>
> https://hiplok.com/product/hiplok-d1000/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_campaign=US+Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=40860¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6c63BhAiEiwAF0EH1KK-KrJnR8sg3CoUqpz82OAPWGMmpQ1wgwSm31zqBFSmh-lbEfd5ExoCHt8QAvD_BwE
>
> and 
>
> https://www.pitlock.de/en/
>
> and 
>
>
> https://www.urbanbiketech.com/installation-guides/pitlock-hex-bolt-security/
>
> a rivendell is well deserving of a hiplok. if i wasn't so cheap i'd have 
> one by now. (i lock my riv up all the time, albeit not for prolonged 
> periods of time in a scheduled way like work or a class)
>
> pitlocks also allow for needling less things like extra locks and cables.
>
> pitstoppers help with the smaller bits on your bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Well Patrick, in reality, my X0-1 and SS PX10 made fine daily riders...so 
>> I think that mine was a Solomon-like solution.Daily commuting should be 
>> pleasurable and I also didn't have the cognitive burden of worrying about a 
>> custom and the X0-1 and PX10 are still herenow if I'd been occupying 
>> the corner office, I wouldn't think twice about trotting out the Rivs. In 
>> your earlier post you did mention secure office space, so totally makes 
>> sense to ride one of your lovely customs. 
>>
>> Again, in my case a totally moot point. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less 
>>> satisfactory bike for most of your riding?
>>>
>>> Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more disposable, 
>>> if not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying Clems for this 
>>> purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself; the price 
>>> for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.
>>>
>>> Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering 
>>> dust while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on various 
>>> beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn it 
>>> into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 more 
>>> years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.
>>>
>>> (*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd 
>>> kept: ~ top-end 1990 Diamond Back Axis/Access/Axes Team with ENO fixed hub 
>>> and 60 mm Big Apples and a 64" fixed gear, and a late '80s (I think; at any 
>>> rate, an early model) Raleigh Technium flexy flyer 
>>> alum-tubes-glued-into-plumbing-pipe-steel-lugs + steel fork sports tourer, 
>>> also set up as a fixed gear. The DB exhibited perfectly neutral handling -- 
>>> IMO the high point of NORBA geometry, the Noodle was high enough thanks to 
>>> a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem with rise to spare, and the high bb let me pedal 
>>> merrily around corners. The Raleigh with then (circa 2002-2005) fat 
>>> Vittoria 32s and the long stays and flexy frame made it ride like an old 
>>> Cadillac; not fast but certainly plush. So sometimes there are good beater 
>>> options. Still, the matter is one of inherent tension: between riding a 
>>> much-loved bike as much as possible and putting it at risk of theft.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:40 AM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 I posted a similar thread about a year ago, asking about commuting on a 
 Riv, as I also had reservations. The thing for me is that my commuter ends 
 up being the bike I ride the most often. I may ride more miles on my 
 road-ish bikes but the daily gets the most use. I'll take it to run 
 errands, go to work, go out for dinner/drinks, etc. To me, the purest form 
 of cycling is the c

Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Michael Baquerizo 
https://hiplok.com/product/hiplok-d1000/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_campaign=US+Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=40860¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6c63BhAiEiwAF0EH1KK-KrJnR8sg3CoUqpz82OAPWGMmpQ1wgwSm31zqBFSmh-lbEfd5ExoCHt8QAvD_BwE

and 

https://www.pitlock.de/en/

and 

https://www.urbanbiketech.com/installation-guides/pitlock-hex-bolt-security/

a rivendell is well deserving of a hiplok. if i wasn't so cheap i'd have 
one by now. (i lock my riv up all the time, albeit not for prolonged 
periods of time in a scheduled way like work or a class)

pitlocks also allow for needling less things like extra locks and cables.

pitstoppers help with the smaller bits on your bike. 



On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 6:33:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Well Patrick, in reality, my X0-1 and SS PX10 made fine daily riders...so 
> I think that mine was a Solomon-like solution.Daily commuting should be 
> pleasurable and I also didn't have the cognitive burden of worrying about a 
> custom and the X0-1 and PX10 are still herenow if I'd been occupying 
> the corner office, I wouldn't think twice about trotting out the Rivs. In 
> your earlier post you did mention secure office space, so totally makes 
> sense to ride one of your lovely customs. 
>
> Again, in my case a totally moot point. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less 
>> satisfactory bike for most of your riding?
>>
>> Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more disposable, 
>> if not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying Clems for this 
>> purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself; the price 
>> for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.
>>
>> Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering dust 
>> while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on various 
>> beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn it 
>> into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 more 
>> years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.
>>
>> (*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd 
>> kept: ~ top-end 1990 Diamond Back Axis/Access/Axes Team with ENO fixed hub 
>> and 60 mm Big Apples and a 64" fixed gear, and a late '80s (I think; at any 
>> rate, an early model) Raleigh Technium flexy flyer 
>> alum-tubes-glued-into-plumbing-pipe-steel-lugs + steel fork sports tourer, 
>> also set up as a fixed gear. The DB exhibited perfectly neutral handling -- 
>> IMO the high point of NORBA geometry, the Noodle was high enough thanks to 
>> a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem with rise to spare, and the high bb let me pedal 
>> merrily around corners. The Raleigh with then (circa 2002-2005) fat 
>> Vittoria 32s and the long stays and flexy frame made it ride like an old 
>> Cadillac; not fast but certainly plush. So sometimes there are good beater 
>> options. Still, the matter is one of inherent tension: between riding a 
>> much-loved bike as much as possible and putting it at risk of theft.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:40 AM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> I posted a similar thread about a year ago, asking about commuting on a 
>>> Riv, as I also had reservations. The thing for me is that my commuter ends 
>>> up being the bike I ride the most often. I may ride more miles on my 
>>> road-ish bikes but the daily gets the most use. I'll take it to run 
>>> errands, go to work, go out for dinner/drinks, etc. To me, the purest form 
>>> of cycling is the commuter/townie rides, where the bike is replacing other 
>>> forms of transportation. I've since started taking my Rivs everywhere. I'll 
>>> lock up my Atlantis outside of a restaurant, Hunq outside of a bar, and so 
>>> on. I own several bikes but to justify buying a Clem recently, I've decided 
>>> that it'll be my daily driver and just ordered new wheels for it. I'll 
>>> fender, dynamo, front/rear light the thing and lock it everywhere. That 
>>> bike will be locked up in public parking garages, in downtown Indianapolis 
>>> for 13 hours at a time, several days per week. I lock them well with 
>>> U-locks and a cable through the front wheel. I don't want to lose any of 
>>> them, but I'm trying not to let the fear of getting one stolen keep me from 
>>> using them. What's a garage full of cool bikes if you only take a junk bike 
>>> every time you leave? That's my mindset. Folks in other areas may have 
>>> different crime rates related to bikes but I'd guess most people think your 
>>> homer is some type of old-fashioned retro bike anyway. Go steal an e-bike 
>>> and leave me alone!
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Ryan 
Well Patrick, in reality, my X0-1 and SS PX10 made fine daily riders...so I 
think that mine was a Solomon-like solution.Daily commuting should be 
pleasurable and I also didn't have the cognitive burden of worrying about a 
custom and the X0-1 and PX10 are still herenow if I'd been occupying 
the corner office, I wouldn't think twice about trotting out the Rivs. In 
your earlier post you did mention secure office space, so totally makes 
sense to ride one of your lovely customs. 

Again, in my case a totally moot point. 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less 
> satisfactory bike for most of your riding?
>
> Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more disposable, 
> if not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying Clems for this 
> purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself; the price 
> for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.
>
> Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering dust 
> while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on various 
> beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn it 
> into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 more 
> years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.
>
> (*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd kept: 
> ~ top-end 1990 Diamond Back Axis/Access/Axes Team with ENO fixed hub and 60 
> mm Big Apples and a 64" fixed gear, and a late '80s (I think; at any rate, 
> an early model) Raleigh Technium flexy flyer 
> alum-tubes-glued-into-plumbing-pipe-steel-lugs + steel fork sports tourer, 
> also set up as a fixed gear. The DB exhibited perfectly neutral handling -- 
> IMO the high point of NORBA geometry, the Noodle was high enough thanks to 
> a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem with rise to spare, and the high bb let me pedal 
> merrily around corners. The Raleigh with then (circa 2002-2005) fat 
> Vittoria 32s and the long stays and flexy frame made it ride like an old 
> Cadillac; not fast but certainly plush. So sometimes there are good beater 
> options. Still, the matter is one of inherent tension: between riding a 
> much-loved bike as much as possible and putting it at risk of theft.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:40 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> I posted a similar thread about a year ago, asking about commuting on a 
>> Riv, as I also had reservations. The thing for me is that my commuter ends 
>> up being the bike I ride the most often. I may ride more miles on my 
>> road-ish bikes but the daily gets the most use. I'll take it to run 
>> errands, go to work, go out for dinner/drinks, etc. To me, the purest form 
>> of cycling is the commuter/townie rides, where the bike is replacing other 
>> forms of transportation. I've since started taking my Rivs everywhere. I'll 
>> lock up my Atlantis outside of a restaurant, Hunq outside of a bar, and so 
>> on. I own several bikes but to justify buying a Clem recently, I've decided 
>> that it'll be my daily driver and just ordered new wheels for it. I'll 
>> fender, dynamo, front/rear light the thing and lock it everywhere. That 
>> bike will be locked up in public parking garages, in downtown Indianapolis 
>> for 13 hours at a time, several days per week. I lock them well with 
>> U-locks and a cable through the front wheel. I don't want to lose any of 
>> them, but I'm trying not to let the fear of getting one stolen keep me from 
>> using them. What's a garage full of cool bikes if you only take a junk bike 
>> every time you leave? That's my mindset. Folks in other areas may have 
>> different crime rates related to bikes but I'd guess most people think your 
>> homer is some type of old-fashioned retro bike anyway. Go steal an e-bike 
>> and leave me alone!
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
Josh makes a very good point. What's the point of using a less satisfactory
bike for most of your riding?

Still, the dangers of locking up do argue for a second, more disposable, if
not completely throw-away bike. Others describe buying Clems for this
purpose, and I've been toying with the idea of doing that myself; the price
for a full Clem is pretty darn reasonable.

Long ago my latest custom Riv Road was hanging on the wall gathering dust
while most of my riding was a long commute to and from work on various
beaters (*). After a couple of years of this I had a local builder turn it
into a fixed gear and enjoyed it immensely and much more often over 14 more
years of errand and commuting riding until I replaced it in 2020.

(*) Tho' I have to say that 2 of those beaters were bikes I wish I'd kept:
~ top-end 1990 Diamond Back Axis/Access/Axes Team with ENO fixed hub and 60
mm Big Apples and a 64" fixed gear, and a late '80s (I think; at any rate,
an early model) Raleigh Technium flexy flyer
alum-tubes-glued-into-plumbing-pipe-steel-lugs + steel fork sports tourer,
also set up as a fixed gear. The DB exhibited perfectly neutral handling --
IMO the high point of NORBA geometry, the Noodle was high enough thanks to
a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem with rise to spare, and the high bb let me pedal
merrily around corners. The Raleigh with then (circa 2002-2005) fat
Vittoria 32s and the long stays and flexy frame made it ride like an old
Cadillac; not fast but certainly plush. So sometimes there are good beater
options. Still, the matter is one of inherent tension: between riding a
much-loved bike as much as possible and putting it at risk of theft.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 6:40 AM Josh C  wrote:

> I posted a similar thread about a year ago, asking about commuting on a
> Riv, as I also had reservations. The thing for me is that my commuter ends
> up being the bike I ride the most often. I may ride more miles on my
> road-ish bikes but the daily gets the most use. I'll take it to run
> errands, go to work, go out for dinner/drinks, etc. To me, the purest form
> of cycling is the commuter/townie rides, where the bike is replacing other
> forms of transportation. I've since started taking my Rivs everywhere. I'll
> lock up my Atlantis outside of a restaurant, Hunq outside of a bar, and so
> on. I own several bikes but to justify buying a Clem recently, I've decided
> that it'll be my daily driver and just ordered new wheels for it. I'll
> fender, dynamo, front/rear light the thing and lock it everywhere. That
> bike will be locked up in public parking garages, in downtown Indianapolis
> for 13 hours at a time, several days per week. I lock them well with
> U-locks and a cable through the front wheel. I don't want to lose any of
> them, but I'm trying not to let the fear of getting one stolen keep me from
> using them. What's a garage full of cool bikes if you only take a junk bike
> every time you leave? That's my mindset. Folks in other areas may have
> different crime rates related to bikes but I'd guess most people think your
> homer is some type of old-fashioned retro bike anyway. Go steal an e-bike
> and leave me alone!
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Bernard Duhon 
Years ago I was at a bicycling event. I  was riding with a fellow who had an 
outrageously expensive Colnago. I was riding a second hand bike that cost me a 
few $100.
He asked me what I was gonna do to keep my bike from being stolen.

I told him I was gonna park it next to his.


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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in their 
offices?

I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my commuter next 
to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for bike and kit and 
arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and shelving installed. Perhaps 
this is one big advantage of always working for small organizations.

Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into stores, 
and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library or men's 
bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing tricycle; but I 
have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external utility closet at 
church.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Ryan 
   Think I agree with Joe and Josh about Clemswhich you can 
replace. Not so much for customs. So riding a custom to work is/was a 
non-starter for me. Before I retired I used my X0-1 with fenders and my 
PX10 (unfenderable with 700 X 35 tires) and locked with U-lock and cable 
thru the front wheel. In the last couple of years I parked in a parking 
garage that was keyedthough bikes did go missing from time to time. 
 
   I respect and even intellectually subscribe to Leah and others' 
viewpoints, but in a less-than ideal world I would leave the 
hard-to-replace/hate to lose bikes at home. Moot point , I guess, since I'm 
no longer working.

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 7:58:11 AM UTC-5 Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

>
> I park my Clem in my office (photo attached).  When the weather gets snowy 
> and salt my ancient Schwinn MTB comes out of the shed and it gets locked 
> outside my building...   My Clem?  Inside! 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> [image: PXL_20240925_125503256.jpg]
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 8:03:23 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in 
>> their offices? 
>>
>> I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my 
>> commuter next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for 
>> bike and kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and 
>> shelving installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working for 
>> small organizations.
>>
>> Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into 
>> stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library 
>> or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing 
>> tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external 
>> utility closet at church.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Josh C 
I posted a similar thread about a year ago, asking about commuting on a 
Riv, as I also had reservations. The thing for me is that my commuter ends 
up being the bike I ride the most often. I may ride more miles on my 
road-ish bikes but the daily gets the most use. I'll take it to run 
errands, go to work, go out for dinner/drinks, etc. To me, the purest form 
of cycling is the commuter/townie rides, where the bike is replacing other 
forms of transportation. I've since started taking my Rivs everywhere. I'll 
lock up my Atlantis outside of a restaurant, Hunq outside of a bar, and so 
on. I own several bikes but to justify buying a Clem recently, I've decided 
that it'll be my daily driver and just ordered new wheels for it. I'll 
fender, dynamo, front/rear light the thing and lock it everywhere. That 
bike will be locked up in public parking garages, in downtown Indianapolis 
for 13 hours at a time, several days per week. I lock them well with 
U-locks and a cable through the front wheel. I don't want to lose any of 
them, but I'm trying not to let the fear of getting one stolen keep me from 
using them. What's a garage full of cool bikes if you only take a junk bike 
every time you leave? That's my mindset. Folks in other areas may have 
different crime rates related to bikes but I'd guess most people think your 
homer is some type of old-fashioned retro bike anyway. Go steal an e-bike 
and leave me alone!

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 7:50:18 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Or just keep that Raleigh you're currently riding. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 12:47:33 AM UTC-5 John Dsvidson wrote:
>
>> I wouldn’t do it. Even with all the locks. I would feel to bad loosing my 
>> Homer. 
>>
>> I would find/ or keep an old Schwin, Trek or other good riding, but 
>> clunky frame. Then I would spray paint it flat black and ugly. Then lock it 
>> up as you describe. I’m not losing any Riv to bike thieves 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would 
>>> with my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we 
>>> gotta take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.  
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> Clearlake CA 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit 
 me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a 
 used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!

 Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this 
 particular situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on 
 using the homer for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible 
 to the public (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was 
 planning on locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the 
 front 
 tire and the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a 
 cable loop for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no 
 active security personnel.

 At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk 
 this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I 
 wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the 
 bike 
 locker! Thanks in advance!

 [image: Indoor Bike Parking - DSIT : r/ufl]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-25 Thread Ryan 
Or just keep that Raleigh you're currently riding. 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2024 at 12:47:33 AM UTC-5 John Dsvidson wrote:

> I wouldn’t do it. Even with all the locks. I would feel to bad loosing my 
> Homer. 
>
> I would find/ or keep an old Schwin, Trek or other good riding, but clunky 
> frame. Then I would spray paint it flat black and ugly. Then lock it up as 
> you describe. I’m not losing any Riv to bike thieves 
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would with 
>> my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we gotta 
>> take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.  
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit 
>>> me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a 
>>> used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular 
>>> situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer 
>>> for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public 
>>> (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on 
>>> locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and 
>>> the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop 
>>> for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active 
>>> security personnel.
>>>
>>> At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk 
>>> this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I 
>>> wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike 
>>> locker! Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> [image: Indoor Bike Parking - DSIT : r/ufl]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread John Dsvidson 
I wouldn’t do it. Even with all the locks. I would feel to bad loosing my
Homer.

I would find/ or keep an old Schwin, Trek or other good riding, but clunky
frame. Then I would spray paint it flat black and ugly. Then lock it up as
you describe. I’m not losing any Riv to bike thieves

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:03 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would with
> my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we gotta
> take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Clearlake CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit
>> me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a
>> used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!
>>
>> Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular
>> situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer
>> for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public
>> (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on
>> locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and
>> the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop
>> for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active
>> security personnel.
>>
>> At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk
>> this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I
>> wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike
>> locker! Thanks in advance!
>>
>> [image: Indoor Bike Parking - DSIT : r/ufl]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Kim H. 
In my days of going to college back in the 70's, the best ant-theft device 
I had was my own two eyes for my beloved road bike. I would never let my 
bicycle out of my sight, except on the days I rode my old 1966 Raleigh 
three-speed bike, of which I did lock up outside with other bicycles.  I 
took it to the bathroom, all my classes and to my bank without incident nor 
questions from other people around me. 

@Anthony,
If you can keep your Homer in your classroom or office for a couple hours 
with your two eyes as your bike lock, I would do it. 

Now that I own a Clem, my first Rivendell bicycle, I treasure it a lot in 
many ways. Once again, I do not leave it out of my sight. Upon my car, if I 
am transporting my bike from my home to another location to ride, I have a 
modified elongated Yakima Raptor bike tray with a knob locking keyed 
mechanism to secure the bike. Additionally, I have a thick cable lock that 
I run through the frame and up through the support arm and down under the 
tray.  

Kim Hetzel, who is susceptible to high anxiety of not wanting to have my 
bike stolen.

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> [email protected]
> unread,
> 7:22 PM (3 hours ago) 
> 
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> to [email protected]
> My biggest fear of my riv being stolen is how hard they’ll be to replace 
> once china takes Taiwan.
>
> lol, what?
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 9:19:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> An enlightened school!
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:07 PM Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>>
>>> Always parked the bicycle in my classroom.  Often there were six or 
>>> seven student bicycles as well.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>> El Cajon CA
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 6:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes 
 in their offices? 

 I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my 
 commuter next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for 
 bike and kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and 
 shelving installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working 
 for 
 small organizations.

 Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into 
 stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library 
 or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing 
 tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Michael Baquerizo 

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My biggest fear of my riv being stolen is how hard they’ll be to replace 
once china takes Taiwan.

lol, what?

On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 9:19:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> An enlightened school!
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:07 PM Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>
>> Always parked the bicycle in my classroom.  Often there were six or seven 
>> student bicycles as well.
>>
>> Curtis
>> El Cajon CA
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 6:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in 
>>> their offices? 
>>>
>>> I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my 
>>> commuter next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for 
>>> bike and kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and 
>>> shelving installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working for 
>>> small organizations.
>>>
>>> Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into 
>>> stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library 
>>> or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing 
>>> tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external 
>>> utility closet at church.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Patrick Moore 
An enlightened school!

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:07 PM Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

> Always parked the bicycle in my classroom.  Often there were six or seven
> student bicycles as well.
>
> Curtis
> El Cajon CA
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 6:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in
>> their offices?
>>
>> I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my
>> commuter next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for
>> bike and kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and
>> shelving installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working for
>> small organizations.
>>
>> Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into
>> stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library
>> or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing
>> tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external
>> utility closet at church.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Curtis McKenzie 
Always parked the bicycle in my classroom.  Often there were six or seven
student bicycles as well.

Curtis
El Cajon CA

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 6:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in
> their offices?
>
> I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my commuter
> next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for bike and
> kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and shelving
> installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working for small
> organizations.
>
> Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into
> stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library
> or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing
> tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external
> utility closet at church.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Patrick Moore 
I'm curious how many Rivendell riders/listers simply park their bikes in
their offices?

I was lucky in always having employers who happily let me park my commuter
next to my desk -- one of them even gave me an extra office for bike and
kit and arranged to have a wee closet with hanger pole and shelving
installed. Perhaps this is one big advantage of always working for small
organizations.

Now I am even luckier and work at home, but I still wheel my bikes into
stores, and our priest, fed up with me wheeling my bikes into the library
or men's bathroom (he really took exception to the Ken Rogers racing
tricycle; but I have rights of seniority) gave me a key to the external
utility closet at church.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Stephen Merelman 
This seems fine. I wouldn't worry about a bike in that room for a couple of 
hours as long as it's properly locked up, particularly with people and 
cameras all around. 

I leave my Clem at the train station all day. It seems happy. No separation 
anxiety. 

smm

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> Thanks for all the responses! I'll look more into Hexlox, it looks great 
> for locking down components and I've never heard of them before. Here's a 
> link to the picture I uploaded earlier that wasn't displaying for some 
> reason: https://imgur.com/a/oe7fjLZ.
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 7:22:40 PM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
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>> My biggest fear of my riv being stolen is how hard they’ll be to replace 
>> once china takes Taiwan. But I do plan on commuting with my Clem and 
>> locking it outside if my main entrance at work, downtown Manhattan where a 
>> security guard is posted.
>> Franco Rinaldi 
>> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>
>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would 
>> with my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we 
>> gotta take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.  
>>
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit 
>>> me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a 
>>> used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular 
>>> situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer 
>>> for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public 
>>> (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on 
>>> locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and 
>>> the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop 
>>> for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active 
>>> security personnel.
>>>
>>> At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk 
>>> this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I 
>>> wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike 
>>> locker! Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> [image: Indoor Bike Parking - DSIT : r/ufl]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Anthony Davila 
Thanks for all the responses! I'll look more into Hexlox, it looks great 
for locking down components and I've never heard of them before. Here's a 
link to the picture I uploaded earlier that wasn't displaying for some 
reason: https://imgur.com/a/oe7fjLZ.

On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 7:22:40 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:

> My biggest fear of my riv being stolen is how hard they’ll be to replace 
> once china takes Taiwan. But I do plan on commuting with my Clem and 
> locking it outside if my main entrance at work, downtown Manhattan where a 
> security guard is posted.
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>
> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>
> On Sep 24, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would with 
> my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we gotta 
> take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.  
>
>
> Joe Bernard
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit 
>> me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a 
>> used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!
>>
>> Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular 
>> situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer 
>> for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public 
>> (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on 
>> locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and 
>> the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop 
>> for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active 
>> security personnel.
>>
>> At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk 
>> this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I 
>> wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike 
>> locker! Thanks in advance!
>>
>> [image: Indoor Bike Parking - DSIT : r/ufl]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

2024-09-24 Thread Franco Rinaldi 
My biggest fear of my riv being stolen is how hard they’ll be to replace once china takes Taiwan. But I do plan on commuting with my Clem and locking it outside if my main entrance at work, downtown Manhattan where a security guard is posted.Franco Rinaldi c:  646.403.0661 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-On Sep 24, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:I probably wouldn't do this with my Riv Custom but I certainly would with my Clem. It's meant to be commuted on and locked up, sometimes we gotta take a bit of theft risk and enjoy the bike.  Joe BernardClearlake CA On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:Hi! I posted a while back asking for advice on what Riv model would fit me and where I could try them. A month after visiting Riv HQ, I bought a used homer, which is arriving tomorrow!Anyway the point of this post was to ask your opinion on this particular situation. I commute to my university classes and intend on using the homer for that. There's an indoor bike locker that is accessible to the public (do not need student or faculty IDs to get in) and I was planning on locking it up there. I will be using a chain lock for the front tire and the frame and a u-lock for the rear wheel and frame (possibly a cable loop for the seat as well). This room has a security camera but no active security personnel.At most I would leave the bike there for 2 hours or so, would you risk this? I know that ultimately this risk is up to me to live with, but I wanted to hear some of your thoughts. I have attached a picture of the bike locker! Thanks in advance!



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