RE: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I don't mind using wipes to clean up the frame now and again.. I just hate cleaning the wheels.. just tedious.. -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:41 PM To: [email protected]; Eric Norris Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction Quoting Eric Norris : > I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in > a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with > whatever issues I have ... > > That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to > keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get > really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. And once it's clean, /that/ is the time to take pictures. Not before you clean it up. Not when it's dirty. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I know, I was just kidding -- I can clean a bike in about five minutes, with soap and hose (chain and lubing take a bit longer). I too clean mine after being caught in a shower, but that is rather rare out here. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > >> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
It is metaphysically (literally) impossible for something to be kludgy in the sense of badly designed and to be at the same time and in the same respect beautiful, since beauty implies order and harmony among the parts -- ie, that is part of what it is to be beautiful, at least in composite things. Ens et bonum et unum et pulchritudinem sunt unum in re. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, William wrote: > What if something is both beautiful and kludgy? Is it beauludgy? > Barf > > On Apr 7, 10:34 am, CycloFiend wrote: >> on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at [email protected] wrote: >> >> > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for >> > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't >> > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though >> > riding has no quarrel with looks. >> >> > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very >> > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy >> > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. >> >> The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and >> clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with images >> from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of >> Brigadoon. >> >> Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. >> >> Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will >> work properly. >> >> - J >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar >> [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Quoting Eric Norris : I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. And once it's clean, /that/ is the time to take pictures. Not before you clean it up. Not when it's dirty. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
I often hear comments about how clean my bikes are, usually given in a tone that suggests that I need serious therapy to deal with whatever issues I have ... That being said, I agree with Mojo that it's not really that hard to keep a bike clean. I wash my bikes with hot soapy water if they get really dirty, a process that takes 15-20 minutes. After a ride on a dry day, I'll use a little detailing spray and a soft cloth on the tubes and call it good. The key for me is to not let the dirt accumulate to the point where you're dealing with caked on grease and grime. --Eric N Sent from the iPad 2 On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Mojo wrote: > >> I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom >> floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners >> spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a >> dry climate... > > Quite the assumption Patrick. Cleaning a bike takes about as much time > as fixing a flat. After being caught in a heavy rainshower I will > spend about 5 minutes wiping down a fendered bike, 15 minutes for the > non-fendered. I too live in a dry climate and I rarely feel the need > to clean my bikes. But they still look like this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/pool-legolas > as on my ride today 7April. > > Now, when I ride offroad in La Tierra Encantada I prefer to spend my > time riding instead of fixing flats, so I use both slime AND liners. > But thats a different topic. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
on 4/7/11 8:53 AM, PATRICK MOORE at [email protected] wrote: > Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for > referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't > obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though > riding has no quarrel with looks. > > I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom > floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners > spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a > dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very > careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy > fixing flats to clean them more often than that. The other thing that happens is that when I actually wrangle my sloth and clean the bike, I end up wanting to document that. So, I end up with images from the squeaky clean end o' the spectrum. A place just north of Brigadoon. Dirty bikes. Clean drivetrains. Each bicycle increases exponentially the possibility that none of them will work properly. - J -- Jim Edgar [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Just for the record: my interest in the text and my reason for referring to it was not the writing style but the message: don't obsess over the looks of your bikes, they are meant for riding, though riding has no quarrel with looks. I am surprised by the many photos I see of bikes that are showroom floor clean. Either they are not ridden, or, more likely, the owners spend as much time cleaning them as riding them. Now I do live in a dry climate, but mine get washed about 3 times a year. (I am very careful about keeping the drivetrain cleaned and lubed.) I am too busy fixing flats to clean them more often than that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beausage and Beaunction
Ah, Beth, not "shocking" -- we all have our incoherent moments. There is a message and it (IME) is worth proclaiming. Best of luck to all of you who suffer from insomnia: I suffered from it horribly in my 20s (think: 3 weeks of 2 hours until you were so wired you could not function or relax) and several immediate family members still suffer from it. Thank God (I am serious: maxime gratias ago tibi Domine) I now usually sleep like a drunk baby. Patrick Moore, who at least rarely washes his high end, custom-rack'd, exotic-old-stock-Lamufa-panniered Riv custom (too busy fixing goathead flats). On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Beth H wrote: > I'd say shockingly incoherent, even with sleep deprivation. I had to > read it twice to be clear on what was being conveyed. Wow. > > ..::shakes head::.. > > At least I know I'm not the only sleeping porrly these days. --Beth > > On Apr 6, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> An unusually incoherent post from Grant, >> here:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/346 >> >> I know the feeling: sleep deprivation (add a shot or two of cheap >> Bourbon to enlarge the effect)... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
