Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-09-05 Thread Patrick Moore 
I've used the A 530s and the M 324s many times, but (frankly) I've found I
dislike "retentionless" pedals; I like, at least, toe clips and straps.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Patrick, a bit of a sidebar but why not use Shimano A530 pedals, flats on
> one side SPD on the other. Or if you want fancy, there is a XT variant.
> Such pedals are nice to have on at least one bike!
>
> Cheers
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all, again. After the usual feverish impulse dies down, I daresay
>> that the really sensible option is much as Garth urged, which is to ride
>> one of my present stable: not the Dahon -- tho' not bad, it's just doesn't
>> feel "easy enough" to ride; but the Matthews. The only downside is that I
>> have to wear SPD shoes or else swap out the pedals for some clip 'n' strap
>> touring pedals, which I just may do one day.
>>
>> But the discussion was not only interesting but brought to attention some
>> very likely possibilities at very reasonable prices.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who just rode the Matthews, and remarked how easy it is to
>> ride even after a protracted layoff.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Let's say that you've decided your stable has a niche for  "just ride"
>>> bicycle, one that *encourages* slow meandering rides, with sit up and
>>> beg position, street shoe pedals, and comfortable tires. But you can't
>>> afford a Clem, and yet want something less ponderous and ungainly than,
>>> say, a Raleigh Sports. Since this is a "spur of the moment, get on and ride
>>> for 10 to 30 minutes" kind of bike, you won't need fenders; but you might
>>> want a rack or bag for light loads -- say taking a ride to the nearby Open
>>> Space park to do some work on your laptop.
>>>
>>> What would you build up? For example, would you choose an old chromo
>>> road frame and 650B it, or would you choose a nice old rigid mtb (not
>>> pre-NORBA; I don't like the old ones) and shoe it with Rat Trap Passes?
>>>
>>> Bar? Saddle? Pedals?
>>>
>>> Describe the saddle and build kit and gearing -- me, I'd be inclined to
>>> make it fixed or, at least, ss -- keep it simple = just get on and ride, in
>>> my opinion. Platforms or clips 'n' straps?
>>>
>>> First criterion: easy no-thought, no-prep riding; second, stability;
>>> third, comfort and efficiency -- no g-d iron tires; fourth, cheap.
>>>
>>> The Dahon is somewhat of this quality, but it's a bit too twitchy to be
>>> ideal for this purpose. Perhaps I should look into replacing the 35 mm
>>> Kojaks with 55 mm Big Apples ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-14 Thread Patrick Moore 
The 3 Sportses I've owned felt in comparison to the (2) Sprites and (1)
Collegiate as if they had:

1. Too low a Q
2. Too short a top tube (or too little reach to bar)

I felt while riding them I was too much "on top" of the bike instead of
"in" it, a sensation I didn't have with the others, but similar to the
feeling with the Indian rod brake roadsters.

The Sprites I owned didn't feel like this, nor did the Collegiate.

Is it true that the Sprite frame was the same as the Sports frame? They
certainly didn't feel so to me.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shawn Granton <
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>
> Well, I still stand by my impressions too, after riding 3 Sports-type
> Raleighs! ;-P
>
> Though I am still curious what exactly makes them "ungainly" in your
> opinion. And why a Sprite, which is pretty much a Sports/Suberbe/LTD frame,
> though many came with a 5 or 10 speed derailleur setup (and later models
> switched to 27 inch wheels), feels less ungainly than a Sports. Or why a
> Collegiate feels less awkward than a Sports, since many people feel that
> the lugged Raleigh frames are lighter and "sportier" than the Chicago
> eletroforged frames.
>
> -Shawn
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-13 Thread Shawn Granton 
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> After reading a couple of other responses: my complaint is only about the
> Sports (well, and the rod braked roadster, Indian version). Sprites are
> fine; I'm sure that a Raleigh Superbe would be different, too. Hell, even
> my Schwinn Collegiate felt less awkward than my Sportses.
>
> Patrick "That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it" Moore
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I stand by my impression, over several of them.
>>
>> I'm not complaining about the Sprite; I owned 2 of those, and though
>> cheap, they didn't feel awkward like my Sportses did.
>>
>>
Well, I still stand by my impressions too, after riding 3 Sports-type
Raleighs! ;-P

Though I am still curious what exactly makes them "ungainly" in your
opinion. And why a Sprite, which is pretty much a Sports/Suberbe/LTD frame,
though many came with a 5 or 10 speed derailleur setup (and later models
switched to 27 inch wheels), feels less ungainly than a Sports. Or why a
Collegiate feels less awkward than a Sports, since many people feel that
the lugged Raleigh frames are lighter and "sportier" than the Chicago
eletroforged frames.

-Shawn

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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
After reading a couple of other responses: my complaint is only about the
Sports (well, and the rod braked roadster, Indian version). Sprites are
fine; I'm sure that a Raleigh Superbe would be different, too. Hell, even
my Schwinn Collegiate felt less awkward than my Sportses.

Patrick "That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it" Moore

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well, I stand by my impression, over several of them.
>
> I'm not complaining about the Sprite; I owned 2 of those, and though
> cheap, they didn't feel awkward like my Sportses did.
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2016 08:54 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the interesting replies. I stand by "ungainly" for the
>>> Raleigh Spriteses I've owned, and I've owned at least 3. I would guess that
>>> a Superbe is a rather different beast?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What kind of Sprite were yours? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/re
>> troraleighs/sprite.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-13 Thread Patrick Moore 
Well, I stand by my impression, over several of them.

I'm not complaining about the Sprite; I owned 2 of those, and though cheap,
they didn't feel awkward like my Sportses did.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 08/12/2016 08:54 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the interesting replies. I stand by "ungainly" for the
>> Raleigh Spriteses I've owned, and I've owned at least 3. I would guess that
>> a Superbe is a rather different beast?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> What kind of Sprite were yours? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/re
> troraleighs/sprite.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-12 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
I too stand by the "not ungainly" in regard to the Raleighs of yore. Which, 
by the way, have more than a passing resemblance to the basic Public bike 
models  of today, 
right down to the various colors with matching colorway fenders. 

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 12:54:50 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 08/12/2016 08:54 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> > Thanks for all the interesting replies. I stand by "ungainly" for the 
> > Raleigh Spriteses I've owned, and I've owned at least 3. I would guess 
> > that a Superbe is a rather different beast? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
> What kind of Sprite were yours? 
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/sprite.html 
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-12 Thread Steve Palincsar 



On 08/12/2016 08:54 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Thanks for all the interesting replies. I stand by "ungainly" for the 
Raleigh Spriteses I've owned, and I've owned at least 3. I would guess 
that a Superbe is a rather different beast?







What kind of Sprite were yours? 
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/sprite.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-12 Thread Shawn Granton 
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 5:54 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for all the interesting replies. I stand by "ungainly" for the
> Raleigh Spriteses I've owned, and I've owned at least 3. I would guess that
> a Superbe is a rather different beast?
>

And I still stand by my claim that it isn't ungainly, whether Sports,
Sprite, or Superbe! Maybe it's just that these bikes...*encourage slow
meandering rides?*
:-P

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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-11 Thread masmojo 
Yes, Tamarac

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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-11 Thread Shawn Granton 
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, masmojo  wrote:

> I do have a old Raleigh Mountain Tour 650b mountain sort of hybrid that I
> envision being just what you described,  but we will see how she turns out!?
>

Is this the fabled Raleigh Tamarack?
-Shawn



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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-10 Thread Shawn Granton 
Some nice bikes there, Mark!
-Shawn

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>
> I've set up a number of these, as no doubt many/most on this list have. (I
> do object to disqualifying pre NORBA geo, since you are asking us how we
> would set up a bike, so I will ignore that parameter;o)
>
> Some of my more successful so far include a Trek 750 Multitrack set up to
> look just like a Raleigh Sport (I don't find the Raleighs particularly
> ponderous or ungainly); including painting the fenders in black and white;
> a Miyata Ridge Runner more or less stock; a Peugeot Canyon Express
> fenderized and Big Appled; a Le Tour mixte with the only original parts
> being frame, fork, and derailleur.
>
> Even before the Clem was a gleam in Grant's eye, my 650B Bianchi city bike
> was roaming the streets of ...Rome, perhaps?...beginning in 1945 or so. I
> have had the bike in my possession now for at least 8 years or so. I
> debated rehabbing it but decided to spring for the Clementine--I have
> already confessed to being a procrastinating mechanic. I still have plans
> to resurrect this bicycle, but it needs a lot of work...one day soon the
> proto Clementine will re-awaken and roam once again!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-10 Thread Steve Palincsar 



On 08/10/2016 02:09 PM, Shawn Granton wrote:



On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 8:19:29 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

Let's say that you've decided your stable has a niche for  "just
ride" bicycle, one that /encourages/ slow meandering rides, with
sit up and beg position, street shoe pedals, and comfortable
tires. But you can't afford a Clem, and yet want something less
ponderous and ungainly than, say, a Raleigh Sports.


A Raleigh Sports is/ungainly?/ *Preposterous!* I will go ponder this 
supposed "ungainliness" while I Just Ride my Raleigh Superbe (deluxe 
Sports) on a bike ride later today over some rough dirt roads and up a 
hill.





Sincerely,
Shawn Granton
El Presidente, Society of Three Speeds
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/"Preserving, enjoying, and riding three speed hub-geared bicycles."/



I'm with you, Shawn: for what they are meant to be, those 3 speed 
Raleighs (and Rudges, for Rudge was the big-name brand in my 
neighborhood when I was growing up) are lovely.  Graceful, well designed 
and perfectly utilitarian.   "Ungainly" is about the very last thing I 
would call them.


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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

2016-08-10 Thread Tim Gavin 
I agree; my '88 KOM turned out great.  I built mine with drop bars to be a
fast-ish gravel road bike, but now it has been superseded in that role by
my 'cross bike (plastic frame, but it does have full fenders, bags, and a
dynamo).

My point is, I will probably put upright handlebars back on it and return
it to a "just ride" role.  I tried Wald 872 cruiser bars initially (before
the drop bars) and they encouraged a comfortable, upright position.  Boscos
or Albatross bars would be excellent candidates as well.

The Walds got used on a similar build for my son (which my ex-wife has made
her own, which is OK) of an '88 GT Avalanche.
For my KOM re-build, I have a pair of cut Jones H-bars that may get the nod
(with a threadless steerer adapter).

I haven't used Rat Trap Pass tires yet, but Schwalbe Super Motos and Big
Apple liteskins have been great tires for this type of riding.

So, I agree that a late '80s/early '90s rigid MTB is a great starting
point.
To that, I recommend finding the highest-end frame you can, because they'll
have the lightest-gauge tubing.
Don't be afraid of U-brakes; they work fine as long as you keep them out of
mud.  But, measure the tire clearance; some of these bikes can't clear a 60
mm tire.  My KOM fits a max ~57 mm tire in the rear (due to the U-brake).

Cheers,
Tim

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> The rebuilds of Schwinn KOM are always really nice
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 10:45:39 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> an old rigid mtb would be my bet. a trek 920/930/950 with some trap traps
>> and uprights. still lugged, ox platinum tubing, musa.
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