Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-26 Thread Jay 
This past weekend I did a ride without cycling shorts, and one with.  It 
was okay without, for an hour.  It felt like it was chafing but after the 
ride no sign/residual discomfort.  I kept wanting to stand up though, like 
walking in a shoe that doesn't feel quite right and you want to take a 
break. Next day I wore my shorts with a thin chamois, and it was instantly 
more comfortable.  It was a ride on snow-covered trails with studded tires, 
and I was sitting for a lot of it; I don't think that would have been as 
good without the chamois.  It was good to experiment though, but other than 
short jaunts, I'll suit up as they say!

P.S. I won't be stuffing any raw meat down there, the coyotes in the 
forests I frequent would wake up from their rest and hunt me down!

On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:

> Saddles on my 13 bicycles: Brooks Professional= 3; Brooks B17 Special=2; 
> Brooks B67=1; Fuji Belt=1; Ideale 90 Rebour=1; SDG Bel-Air=1; and lastly 
> Selle San Marco Rolls=4. My buttocks prefer the Brooks Professional and the 
> Selle San Marco Rolls. I can easily do 50 plus miles on either of those. 
> The Ideale 90 and Brooks B17s are also good but I’d replace them with good 
> condition Professionals if they showed up for a good price. The SDG is on 
> my one, a late 1990s mountain bike. It’s a good saddle. The Fuji Belt looks 
> good on my one Japanese bicycle but it’s not so comfortable on long rides. 
> I wouldn’t recommend it. 
>
> Riding clothes: wool riding shorts with some padding on long rides and 
> whatever I’m wearing for shorter runs. 
>
> Russell Duncan
> Western Massachusetts 
>
> On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 6:58:37 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> I'm late to the party here but let me throw my experience on the pile: I 
>> prefer to ride in street clothes: cotton underwear and jeans to ride to 
>> work or across town.
>> Shortish rides, say 25 miles: shorts and underwear.
>>
>> This is on mostly B-17s. I've come to the conclusion that I can lose 
>> weight, but it won't make my sitz bones much narrower. I bought a B-68 from 
>> Rivendell last fall but haven't mounted it yet. While we're at it: the 
>> Cambium C-19 feels a lot like a B-17.
>>
>> Last year, I thought I'd figured this out, or trained my butt, or 
>> whatever, and started doing longer rides in the spring... and then it got 
>> humid and  I went on a 45-mile ride and my (synthetic) Costco shorts 
>> sand-papered the back of my legs, just below the cheeks. I didn't even 
>> notice anything beyond mild discomfort, but then I took a shower and 
>> discovered I had chafed my legs bloody. Took a week to heal, never again.
>>
>> I don't like bib shorts, but I'll wear regular cycling shorts for longer 
>> rides; the price is washing them by hand. 
>> A good compromise is Andiamo shorts under street shorts, that protects 
>> the legs from shafing, and the padding is minimal. That will work for all 
>> but the longest rides.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>> East Lansing, MI
>> On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 6:31:50 AM UTC-5 Frank Burkybile wrote:
>>
>>> Ha! It makes me wonder how they came up with the idea of using meat as a 
>>> cushion? Kind of like who was the first person to figure out which 
>>> mushrooms you can eat? Or which toads to lick?
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a time in my college days where we took a road trip across 
>>> Texas and tried cooking a meal on our engine while we drove. I assume it 
>>> worked better than the steak trick but then again I’ve never tried it so 
>>> who knows? 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 4:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 All actors were professionals, don’t try this at home, but I recall a 
 man who belonged to our church 20 + years ago who had moved from Denver to 
 Albuquerque in mid-winter riding a KMart mountain bike over the Raton 
 Pass. 
 He told me how, back in the 1960s, he and friends would ride from LA to 
 San 
 Diego wearing whatever they had in lieu of real cycling clothing, which 
 meant, for shorts, cut-off jeans. To prevent chafing they’d stuff steaks 
 down the crotch; I don’t know from steak cuts, but these must have been 
 quite thin ones. Apparently steak was much more affordable back in the 
 early 1960s. I expect that the steaks stained their Brooks saddles a nice 
 oxblood color.

 On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:44 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> .. In warm weather I like to lubricate my under carriage with coconut 
> oil to prevent friction and chaffing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-26 Thread Russell Duncan 
Saddles on my 13 bicycles: Brooks Professional= 3; Brooks B17 Special=2; 
Brooks B67=1; Fuji Belt=1; Ideale 90 Rebour=1; SDG Bel-Air=1; and lastly 
Selle San Marco Rolls=4. My buttocks prefer the Brooks Professional and the 
Selle San Marco Rolls. I can easily do 50 plus miles on either of those. 
The Ideale 90 and Brooks B17s are also good but I’d replace them with good 
condition Professionals if they showed up for a good price. The SDG is on 
my one, a late 1990s mountain bike. It’s a good saddle. The Fuji Belt looks 
good on my one Japanese bicycle but it’s not so comfortable on long rides. 
I wouldn’t recommend it. 

Riding clothes: wool riding shorts with some padding on long rides and 
whatever I’m wearing for shorter runs. 

Russell Duncan
Western Massachusetts 

On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 6:58:37 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> I'm late to the party here but let me throw my experience on the pile: I 
> prefer to ride in street clothes: cotton underwear and jeans to ride to 
> work or across town.
> Shortish rides, say 25 miles: shorts and underwear.
>
> This is on mostly B-17s. I've come to the conclusion that I can lose 
> weight, but it won't make my sitz bones much narrower. I bought a B-68 from 
> Rivendell last fall but haven't mounted it yet. While we're at it: the 
> Cambium C-19 feels a lot like a B-17.
>
> Last year, I thought I'd figured this out, or trained my butt, or 
> whatever, and started doing longer rides in the spring... and then it got 
> humid and  I went on a 45-mile ride and my (synthetic) Costco shorts 
> sand-papered the back of my legs, just below the cheeks. I didn't even 
> notice anything beyond mild discomfort, but then I took a shower and 
> discovered I had chafed my legs bloody. Took a week to heal, never again.
>
> I don't like bib shorts, but I'll wear regular cycling shorts for longer 
> rides; the price is washing them by hand. 
> A good compromise is Andiamo shorts under street shorts, that protects the 
> legs from shafing, and the padding is minimal. That will work for all but 
> the longest rides.
>
> cheers -mathias
> East Lansing, MI
> On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 6:31:50 AM UTC-5 Frank Burkybile wrote:
>
>> Ha! It makes me wonder how they came up with the idea of using meat as a 
>> cushion? Kind of like who was the first person to figure out which 
>> mushrooms you can eat? Or which toads to lick?
>>
>> Reminds me of a time in my college days where we took a road trip across 
>> Texas and tried cooking a meal on our engine while we drove. I assume it 
>> worked better than the steak trick but then again I’ve never tried it so 
>> who knows? 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 4:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> All actors were professionals, don’t try this at home, but I recall a 
>>> man who belonged to our church 20 + years ago who had moved from Denver to 
>>> Albuquerque in mid-winter riding a KMart mountain bike over the Raton Pass. 
>>> He told me how, back in the 1960s, he and friends would ride from LA to San 
>>> Diego wearing whatever they had in lieu of real cycling clothing, which 
>>> meant, for shorts, cut-off jeans. To prevent chafing they’d stuff steaks 
>>> down the crotch; I don’t know from steak cuts, but these must have been 
>>> quite thin ones. Apparently steak was much more affordable back in the 
>>> early 1960s. I expect that the steaks stained their Brooks saddles a nice 
>>> oxblood color.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:44 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 .. In warm weather I like to lubricate my under carriage with coconut 
 oil to prevent friction and chaffing

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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-26 Thread Mathias Steiner 
I'm late to the party here but let me throw my experience on the pile: I 
prefer to ride in street clothes: cotton underwear and jeans to ride to 
work or across town.
Shortish rides, say 25 miles: shorts and underwear.

This is on mostly B-17s. I've come to the conclusion that I can lose 
weight, but it won't make my sitz bones much narrower. I bought a B-68 from 
Rivendell last fall but haven't mounted it yet. While we're at it: the 
Cambium C-19 feels a lot like a B-17.

Last year, I thought I'd figured this out, or trained my butt, or whatever, 
and started doing longer rides in the spring... and then it got humid and  
I went on a 45-mile ride and my (synthetic) Costco shorts sand-papered the 
back of my legs, just below the cheeks. I didn't even notice anything 
beyond mild discomfort, but then I took a shower and discovered I had 
chafed my legs bloody. Took a week to heal, never again.

I don't like bib shorts, but I'll wear regular cycling shorts for longer 
rides; the price is washing them by hand. 
A good compromise is Andiamo shorts under street shorts, that protects the 
legs from shafing, and the padding is minimal. That will work for all but 
the longest rides.

cheers -mathias
East Lansing, MI
On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 6:31:50 AM UTC-5 Frank Burkybile wrote:

> Ha! It makes me wonder how they came up with the idea of using meat as a 
> cushion? Kind of like who was the first person to figure out which 
> mushrooms you can eat? Or which toads to lick?
>
> Reminds me of a time in my college days where we took a road trip across 
> Texas and tried cooking a meal on our engine while we drove. I assume it 
> worked better than the steak trick but then again I’ve never tried it so 
> who knows? 
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 4:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> All actors were professionals, don’t try this at home, but I recall a man 
>> who belonged to our church 20 + years ago who had moved from Denver to 
>> Albuquerque in mid-winter riding a KMart mountain bike over the Raton Pass. 
>> He told me how, back in the 1960s, he and friends would ride from LA to San 
>> Diego wearing whatever they had in lieu of real cycling clothing, which 
>> meant, for shorts, cut-off jeans. To prevent chafing they’d stuff steaks 
>> down the crotch; I don’t know from steak cuts, but these must have been 
>> quite thin ones. Apparently steak was much more affordable back in the 
>> early 1960s. I expect that the steaks stained their Brooks saddles a nice 
>> oxblood color.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:44 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> .. In warm weather I like to lubricate my under carriage with coconut 
>>> oil to prevent friction and chaffing
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-26 Thread Frank Burkybile 
Ha! It makes me wonder how they came up with the idea of using meat as a
cushion? Kind of like who was the first person to figure out which
mushrooms you can eat? Or which toads to lick?

Reminds me of a time in my college days where we took a road trip across
Texas and tried cooking a meal on our engine while we drove. I assume it
worked better than the steak trick but then again I’ve never tried it so
who knows?

On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 4:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> All actors were professionals, don’t try this at home, but I recall a man
> who belonged to our church 20 + years ago who had moved from Denver to
> Albuquerque in mid-winter riding a KMart mountain bike over the Raton Pass.
> He told me how, back in the 1960s, he and friends would ride from LA to San
> Diego wearing whatever they had in lieu of real cycling clothing, which
> meant, for shorts, cut-off jeans. To prevent chafing they’d stuff steaks
> down the crotch; I don’t know from steak cuts, but these must have been
> quite thin ones. Apparently steak was much more affordable back in the
> early 1960s. I expect that the steaks stained their Brooks saddles a nice
> oxblood color.
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:44 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> .. In warm weather I like to lubricate my under carriage with coconut oil
>> to prevent friction and chaffing
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-25 Thread Patrick Moore 
All actors were professionals, don’t try this at home, but I recall a man
who belonged to our church 20 + years ago who had moved from Denver to
Albuquerque in mid-winter riding a KMart mountain bike over the Raton Pass.
He told me how, back in the 1960s, he and friends would ride from LA to San
Diego wearing whatever they had in lieu of real cycling clothing, which
meant, for shorts, cut-off jeans. To prevent chafing they’d stuff steaks
down the crotch; I don’t know from steak cuts, but these must have been
quite thin ones. Apparently steak was much more affordable back in the
early 1960s. I expect that the steaks stained their Brooks saddles a nice
oxblood color.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 5:44 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> .. In warm weather I like to lubricate my under carriage with coconut oil
> to prevent friction and chaffing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-24 Thread Steven Sweedler 
Loke Gary, I ride in Jackson & Gibbons touring shorts, always on B-17s. If
its coolout I wear a pair of longer Riv shorts. The pad on the Touring
shorts is very thin, for rides of all lengths. The owners retired last year
after a sale selling out of remaining stock.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:33 AM Gary Jacobson 
wrote:

> I  use Jackson & Gibbens. They're no longer available. If they were, or
> there were others like them I'd scoop them up.
>
> Here's what I'm talking about. Not my size.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284108685797
>
> Gary Jacobson
>
> Rosendale, NY
> and  Roque Bluffs, ME
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and
>> whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants.
>> If underwear; is it wool, synthetic, other; do you care about seam
>> placement; tight/compression fit, loose; or do you not think about this at
>> all (just ride in whatever)?
>>
>> I recently ordered a Brooks Team Pro Special and would love to not have
>> to wear padded bib shorts (despite having like 10 of them).  I'm certainly
>> going to try riding with some synthetic compression long boxers (I have a
>> few pair) and winter tights, as it's that time of year.  I'll also try with
>> a few models of bib shorts I have.
>>
>> Long rides on hot days are not always the best, for me, with bib shorts,
>> due to chafing.  I rarely get actual saddle sores (not since switching to
>> the C17).
>>
>> When I started cycling over 20 years ago, after a couple years into it, I
>> got a B17 saddle.  After some trial-error with set up, it was fairly
>> comfortable.  I was always wearing bib shorts, but I still laugh at one
>> time in the winter when after riding for two hours I realized I wasn't
>> wearing bib shorts, just underwear and winter tights.  I later got a Brooks
>> Swallow, and then for some reason switched to plastic saddles and only
>> tried Brooks again in the last 18 months.  I tried a B17, twice maybe, and
>> it seemed too large and impacted how I pedalled.  I then tried a C17, and
>> it was pretty good in that I was well supported, pedalling was fine, and
>> with padded shorts it has been the most comfortable saddles I've had in the
>> last 10 years.  I want to see if I can eliminate chafing/sores and figured
>> I would try the Team Pro Special (hoping the width/shape works better for
>> me than B17; I'm rather skinny).
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-23 Thread Will Boericke 
For rides >1hr, padded shorts with a leather saddle.  For my 40min commute, 
wool or synthetic is fine.  Honestly, with a brand new Team Pro, it might 
be 5 years before you're riding without padding :).

Will

On Thursday, January 23, 2025 at 7:30:27 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> I haven’t worn padded shorts in years. I sweat too much when I ride, so 
> riding with what eventually becomes a thin, wet sponge between my skin and 
> saddle only increases the chance for saddle sores and chafing.
>
> I ride B-17s or Berthoud saddles (mostly the latter) with wool boxer 
> briefs, and pants or shorts with a gusseted crotch (preferably). A long 
> ride for me is typically only 30-50 miles.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2025, at 3:28 AM, Frank Burkybile  wrote:
>
> That’s a good question for the group. I have found that my bum prefers 
> B17s or a Berthoud saddle in the same ballpark width. I tried the Selle 
> Anatomica but I was too heavy at 250lbs and it was uncomfortable so I 
> returned it. 
>
>
> Personally, I just wear whatever shorts I have on hand as long as the seem 
> doesn’t cause any issues. That ranges from Nike ACG shirts to khakis to 
> whatever else will fit my outing’s activities. I have done this for both 
> daily rides and for 500 mile tours without issue (that is, once I have 
> field tested them on a shorter ride to confirm the seems are ok).
>
> I understand that everyone has their own preference that fits them but I 
> feel lucky that I basically can wear whatever and be comfortable. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Frank, currently of Nairobi, Kenya 
> On Thursday, January 23, 2025 at 2:26:32 AM UTC+3 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and 
>> whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants. 
>>  If underwear; is it wool, synthetic, other; do you care about seam 
>> placement; tight/compression fit, loose; or do you not think about this at 
>> all (just ride in whatever)?
>>
>> I recently ordered a Brooks Team Pro Special and would love to not have 
>> to wear padded bib shorts (despite having like 10 of them).  I'm certainly 
>> going to try riding with some synthetic compression long boxers (I have a 
>> few pair) and winter tights, as it's that time of year.  I'll also try with 
>> a few models of bib shorts I have.
>>
>> Long rides on hot days are not always the best, for me, with bib shorts, 
>> due to chafing.  I rarely get actual saddle sores (not since switching to 
>> the C17).
>>
>> When I started cycling over 20 years ago, after a couple years into it, I 
>> got a B17 saddle.  After some trial-error with set up, it was fairly 
>> comfortable.  I was always wearing bib shorts, but I still laugh at one 
>> time in the winter when after riding for two hours I realized I wasn't 
>> wearing bib shorts, just underwear and winter tights.  I later got a Brooks 
>> Swallow, and then for some reason switched to plastic saddles and only 
>> tried Brooks again in the last 18 months.  I tried a B17, twice maybe, and 
>> it seemed too large and impacted how I pedalled.  I then tried a C17, and 
>> it was pretty good in that I was well supported, pedalling was fine, and 
>> with padded shorts it has been the most comfortable saddles I've had in the 
>> last 10 years.  I want to see if I can eliminate chafing/sores and figured 
>> I would try the Team Pro Special (hoping the width/shape works better for 
>> me than B17; I'm rather skinny).
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-23 Thread Brian Turner 
I haven’t worn padded shorts in years. I sweat too much when I ride, so riding with what eventually becomes a thin, wet sponge between my skin and saddle only increases the chance for saddle sores and chafing.I ride B-17s or Berthoud saddles (mostly the latter) with wool boxer briefs, and pants or shorts with a gusseted crotch (preferably). A long ride for me is typically only 30-50 miles.BrianLexington KYOn Jan 23, 2025, at 3:28 AM, Frank Burkybile  wrote:That’s a good question for the group. I have found that my bum prefers B17s or a Berthoud saddle in the same ballpark width. I tried the Selle Anatomica but I was too heavy at 250lbs and it was uncomfortable so I returned it. Personally, I just wear whatever shorts I have on hand as long as the seem doesn’t cause any issues. That ranges from Nike ACG shirts to khakis to whatever else will fit my outing’s activities. I have done this for both daily rides and for 500 mile tours without issue (that is, once I have field tested them on a shorter ride to confirm the seems are ok).I understand that everyone has their own preference that fits them but I feel lucky that I basically can wear whatever and be comfortable. Good luck!-Frank, currently of Nairobi, Kenya On Thursday, January 23, 2025 at 2:26:32 AM UTC+3 Jay wrote:I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants.  If underwear; is it wool, synthetic, other; do you care about seam placement; tight/compression fit, loose; or do you not think about this at all (just ride in whatever)?I recently ordered a Brooks Team Pro Special and would love to not have to wear padded bib shorts (despite having like 10 of them).  I'm certainly going to try riding with some synthetic compression long boxers (I have a few pair) and winter tights, as it's that time of year.  I'll also try with a few models of bib shorts I have.Long rides on hot days are not always the best, for me, with bib shorts, due to chafing.  I rarely get actual saddle sores (not since switching to the C17).When I started cycling over 20 years ago, after a couple years into it, I got a B17 saddle.  After some trial-error with set up, it was fairly comfortable.  I was always wearing bib shorts, but I still laugh at one time in the winter when after riding for two hours I realized I wasn't wearing bib shorts, just underwear and winter tights.  I later got a Brooks Swallow, and then for some reason switched to plastic saddles and only tried Brooks again in the last 18 months.  I tried a B17, twice maybe, and it seemed too large and impacted how I pedalled.  I then tried a C17, and it was pretty good in that I was well supported, pedalling was fine, and with padded shorts it has been the most comfortable saddles I've had in the last 10 years.  I want to see if I can eliminate chafing/sores and figured I would try the Team Pro Special (hoping the width/shape works better for me than B17; I'm rather skinny).



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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-22 Thread Paul M 
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On Wednesday, 22 January 2025 at 18:42:33 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I’ve found Brooks saddles uncomfortable (B17, B17N, Pro, Flyer, leaving 
> aside a 72 which was fine on a Raleigh Sport) and use first edition Flites, 
> but my experience is that with the right saddle properly set up one should 
> not need any special pants for rides up to ~35 miles (tho’ most of my 
> riding is on fixed gears, single speed or multispeed), for which I 
> comfortably wear baggy, light nylon boxers under touring shorts or long 
> cycling pants as long as these have no protruding crotch seams. I do have 
> 2-3 pairs of old wool shorts with real chamois for longer rides that never 
> happen, but I learned 20+ years ago that I hate thick diaper padding. Jan 
> Heine said years ago that crotch “padding” in cycling shorts was really 
> meant to prevent chafing, not to pad an uncomfortable saddle. I don’t know 
> if this is true for long rides; perhaps others will speak up.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 6:43 PM Nick A.  wrote:
>
>> I'm a B17 person. No pads or anything, usually 20-60 miles (during the 
>> kinder parts of the year). 
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 7:56:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>>>
>>> I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and 
>>> whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants.
>>>
>>>
>>> My leather saddle is a Berthoud Aravis. Most frequently I use lycra 
>>> biking shorts with as minimal a pad as possible. I've removed the padding 
>>> from some shorts, leaving the "wicking layer" in place. My current favorite 
>>> is the Aerotech Designs Motion shorts, which use their thinnest pad. I also 
>>> ride with wool boxer briefs and knickers. If I ride with cotton underwear 
>>> it's almost a certainty I'll get a saddle sore.
>>>
>>> As Lael Wilcox said, I've worked hard to find a saddle I like, the last 
>>> thing I want is a big pad between it and my bottom.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

2025-01-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
I’ve found Brooks saddles uncomfortable (B17, B17N, Pro, Flyer, leaving
aside a 72 which was fine on a Raleigh Sport) and use first edition Flites,
but my experience is that with the right saddle properly set up one should
not need any special pants for rides up to ~35 miles (tho’ most of my
riding is on fixed gears, single speed or multispeed), for which I
comfortably wear baggy, light nylon boxers under touring shorts or long
cycling pants as long as these have no protruding crotch seams. I do have
2-3 pairs of old wool shorts with real chamois for longer rides that never
happen, but I learned 20+ years ago that I hate thick diaper padding. Jan
Heine said years ago that crotch “padding” in cycling shorts was really
meant to prevent chafing, not to pad an uncomfortable saddle. I don’t know
if this is true for long rides; perhaps others will speak up.


On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 6:43 PM Nick A.  wrote:

> I'm a B17 person. No pads or anything, usually 20-60 miles (during the
> kinder parts of the year).
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 7:56:50 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>>
>> I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and
>> whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants.
>>
>>
>> My leather saddle is a Berthoud Aravis. Most frequently I use lycra
>> biking shorts with as minimal a pad as possible. I've removed the padding
>> from some shorts, leaving the "wicking layer" in place. My current favorite
>> is the Aerotech Designs Motion shorts, which use their thinnest pad. I also
>> ride with wool boxer briefs and knickers. If I ride with cotton underwear
>> it's almost a certainty I'll get a saddle sore.
>>
>> As Lael Wilcox said, I've worked hard to find a saddle I like, the last
>> thing I want is a big pad between it and my bottom.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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