Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-08 Thread PATRICK MOORE
In this connection, does anyone know:

1. If the Blackburn Flea can be charged with the wall-to-usb adaptor
used for the iPhone cable?

2. How long the Flea runs on one charge? -- I've seen 3 and 5 hours.

3. How long the Flea holds it charge when fully charged and left unused?

Thanks.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean
 wrote:

 One distinguishing charactersitic is that
> it uses a USB interface for charging (i.e. it comes with a wall-wart charger
> but the connector at the light is USB format and it can be charged from a
> USB port).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Oh well; wonder if it's just the connectors. I like the small,
compact, easy-mount design of the E3 taillight. I may try a hack --
can't see why a very low power LED tail would not work with a typical
LED 3 w headlight. Thanks for the PJW text.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Not according to Peter White.  He says you can only use Supernovas with other 
> Supernovas: "Supernova lights are not compatible with other brands of lights. 
> You can't mix and match Supernova headlights with other brands of taillight, 
> and you can't use Supernova taillights with other brands of headlight. 
> Supernova lights come with tough wiring for the taillight that is hard wired. 
> They do not use the same metric connectors as used by Busch & Müller, 
> Wilfried Schmidt and Spanninga."
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?
>
> Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno powered 
> tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.
>
> 'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across
>> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the
>> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the
>> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to
>> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and
>> covered in shrink wrap.
>>
>> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and
>> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack
>> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>>
>> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and
>> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring
>> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of
>> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as
>> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is
>> compatible with the E3.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Not according to Peter White.  He says you can only use Supernovas with other 
Supernovas: "Supernova lights are not compatible with other brands of lights. 
You can't mix and match Supernova headlights with other brands of taillight, 
and you can't use Supernova taillights with other brands of headlight. 
Supernova lights come with tough wiring for the taillight that is hard wired. 
They do not use the same metric connectors as used by Busch & Müller, Wilfried 
Schmidt and Spanninga."


 

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno powered 
tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.

'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across 
> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the 
> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the 
> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to 
> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and 
> covered in shrink wrap.
>
> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and 
> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack 
> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>
> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and 
> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring 
> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of 
> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as 
> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is 
> compatible with the E3.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Eric. I'm thinking of converting at least two bikes to dyno
powered tail lamps and any wiring info is useful.

'Nother question: can you use the E3 tail light with, say an Edeluxe or Cyo?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM, EricP  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> On the bike with the rear wired tail light, just ran the wire across
> the rack held down with zip ties, then a few wraps around one of the
> rack stays, along the top tube (again held with zip ties), to the
> brake cable housing, then down parallel to the bike computer wire to
> the light.  At that point, the wires were soldered together and
> covered in shrink wrap.
>
> Very basic, but should keep the tail light wires away from sludge and
> crud in winter.  It's a non-Rivendell (Surly LHT) with Tubus rear rack
> and the B&M Toplight Line Plus bolted to the rear rack.
>
> Have not come up with a satisfactory wiring system for the E3 and
> corresponding tail light on the Sam Hillborne.  The previous wiring
> actually caused the headlight to fail.  Admit to a bit of fear of
> trying it again.  Additionally, don't like the Supernova tail light as
> I prefer something with a reflector.  But no other tail light is
> compatible with the E3.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sep 7, 11:31 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Glenn Ammons
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:38 -0400, Khalid Mateen wrote:
>> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a
>> touring bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.
>> Sorry to high jack this post but it is question that I have been
>> asking myself.
>
> Mitch Pryor likes that position.  You can see several set up that way on
> his flickr site  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/
> and in the MAP Randonneur Project Owners Group, such as this one
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/5583366143/in/pool-1759586@N22
>
> He has a mount made for that lamp and that location that he says will be
> commercially available soon, shown here
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6055950533/in/photostream

Ooh.  That's nice!  I make my own fender mounts by bending a strip of
stainless steel into a U, but Mitch's mount is way nicer (and, if my
time counts for anything, cheaper).

Here's a picture of my setup (the light is now an eDelux):

https://picasaweb.google.com/107305917565128209357/VeloOrangeCyclotouriste#5180637123092075842

I do use an extra fender stay for support.  On the bike I'm assembling
now, I used a Honjo R-clip to attach the light mount to both the
fender and the extra stay, which should be even more durable.  The one
above has lasted four years, though, so it's not bad.

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West Chester, PA, USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Eric: will you share with us your rear light wiring strategy? Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:23 AM, EricP  wrote:
> I have my E3 mounted forward like that on my Hillborne.  It can get a
> bit dirty.  Might switch things around in the future.  Although the
> Sam isn't often out in winter.  However, mounting on the front of the
> Nitto rack might be better for me.
>
> For the Cyo, haven't found problems with the switch.  Although my
> tendency is to keep it on at all times.  Especially now that I have a
> tail light hooked up.  The light is on the fork crown above a fender,
> so is away from some of the elements.
>
> If one were to go with two lights, the Fly might be a good choice.
> Or, if looking to save money, the Lyt might be an option.  Installed
> one on my wife's bike.  It has a good beam pattern and she likes it
> better than the Lumotech Oval which it replaced.
>
> Khalid - I personally don't think mounting a light on the front fender
> would work.  Too much vibration.  A second strut in front of the light
> might help.  Then I could see it being possible.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Sep 7, 10:30 am, Jude  wrote:
>> > Regarding Cyo, how does it hold up under bucketing rain?  Does it take
>> > on water?  I've read some concerns about it not being as tight as the
>> > Edelux...
>>
>> I mounted the first Cyo on the forward tab of a Nitto M12 rack.  This
>> placed the light directly in the spray of the tire.  I kept thinking
>> "I need to move that light or extend the fender".  After about a year
>> it finally failed in a downpour.  I tried letting it dry for a week
>> but that didn't help.  Luckily it was still under warranty, Peter
>> White replaced it.  I was honest about the conditions and the
>> placement.
>>
>> After that I followed Bicycle Quarterly's advice.  The new light is
>> mounted under the rack to the side.   Rene Herse sells a bracket at a
>> fair price though one could easily make their own.  Great placement
>> and keeps the light out of the 
>> spray.http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelu...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Aren't they liberating? I too was a holdout for years until I tried
the latest generation of German LED lights. Now I've got dynamos on
all my bikes except my gofast -- 1 SON 20R + Edeluxe, Riv,  1 DH3N72
(actually two of these for the two wheelsets, fat and very fat) + Cyo
for the Fargo, 1 BB dynamo + Cyo for the Herse and one or two other
bottle setups with various lamps for beater grocery getter-types. For
the grocery trike It's is great to be able just to get on and pedal
for a last minute trip to the store: I ought to rig up a dyno tail
light on that one. I don't mind switching on batter rear lights for
the other bikes since the batteries last for at least a couple of
months.

I do have battery backups, a Knog or Frog on the trike, shortly a head
mounted Flea or somesuch for the others, that I carry in a pouch with
ankle and Sam Browne reflectors as part of my nighttime kit, but for
the short run, last minute errand vehicle I want full automation, so
to speak.


 On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
> charging cable (though I know it's here)
> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on
> the light or remember to turn it off again.
> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
> Kelly


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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've thought of that and would say "no" unless your fender has a
second pair of struts supporting the forward end or unless it is
secured to the underside of a rack; and even in those cases, only with
metal fenders. I've seen very light, old lamps that an unsupported
metal fender might support long term without damage, but the Edeluxe
is quite a bit heavier than these, as are also the Cyos and the Fly.

Note that I have in mind Berthoud ss fenders as well as Honjo and VO
aluminum ones.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Khalid Mateen  wrote:
> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a touring
> bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.  Sorry to high
> jack this post but it is question that I have been asking myself.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>>
>> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
>> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
>> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
>> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
>> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
>> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
>> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
>> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
>> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
>> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
>> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
>> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
>> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
>> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
>> charging cable (though I know it's here)
>> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on
>> the light or remember to turn it off again.
>> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
>> Kelly
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 10:38 -0400, Khalid Mateen wrote:
> Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a
> touring bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.
> Sorry to high jack this post but it is question that I have been
> asking myself.


Mitch Pryor likes that position.  You can see several set up that way on
his flickr site  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/
and in the MAP Randonneur Project Owners Group, such as this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/5583366143/in/pool-1759586@N22

He has a mount made for that lamp and that location that he says will be
commercially available soon, shown here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6055950533/in/photostream

However the BQ test of the MAP had a photo where a light in that
location had been misaligned by the handlebar bag hitting it after a
stretch on a rough gravel road.   That can't happen with a rack mount.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Khalid Mateen
Do you think it is safe to mount a Edelux on a front fender for a touring
bicycle?  Assuming that is a metal fender and not plastic.  Sorry to high
jack this post but it is question that I have been asking myself.




On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> I warn that I am biased ... the dyno's have spoiled me and between the
> SON28 and the Edelux I have found bliss.  I've had  high powered battery
> lights and no matter how great and bright they may be I had to remember to
> charge them.  To get the battery to do something.. like get them out of the
> bag and mount them when it got dark.  (never bothered to permanently mount
> any of my battery powered lights)  Then came the Edelux on my AHH followed
> by the E3 Triple on the Bombadil.  I sold the E3 triple on the Bombadil
> because I liked the light pattern of the Edulux better and missed the
> sensor.  A light that just was on was beyond just nice it was liberating.
>
>
> I know have three of them and contemplating putting one on my recently
> acquired Quickbeam.  The second ride out on the QB I was in a parking lot
> eating pizza and had to leave because it was getting dark.. I thought right
> or wrong on the way home.. this bike is useless without a good light.
>
> Spoiled yes.. I have a minewt or two in the garage and can't find the
> charging cable (though I know it's here)
>
> I'm two lazy and unorganized for battery ... I don't want to go turn on the
> light or remember to turn it off again.
>
> OOPs.. i ranted yet again.. sorry.. :) (ok sorry may be a stretch)
>
> Kelly
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-07 Thread Scott G.
I used the Cyo in moderate rain with no problem, haven't tried it in the 
snow.
The skewer end mount setup makes the wheel, light and mount one piece,
easy to move from bike to bike, no wires to disconnect.

I used to used to setup a dedicated night bike for each winter, being able 
to
swap the light system easily let me ride the 'nice' bike occasionally during 
winter evenings.

note, the E3 Pro  is available with a spot beam or the Edelux style auto 
cutoff beam optic.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That's one of their benefits: the lights are designed to shine like
auto low beams: bright for illumination but not for oncomers' eyes.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Ginz  wrote:
> Regarding the Edelux, Cyo R, and others, are these lights so bright
> that runners, bikers and other commuter path users will hate me?!  I
> like the brightness on a gravel road, but in the city, I don't want to
> annoy folks.
>
> Thanks,
> Ginz
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've read that Shimano dynohubs are too tight and too dry when new and
that proactive adjustment and lubing makes them live much longer. Was
the early death due to the winter or the initial bearing problem?

Dunno myself, that's just what I read in BQ; I have the shop repack
and adjust all new Shimanos that I buy.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:07 PM, EricP  wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and Patrick, for Minnesota winters, the SON is the better choice.
>> My wife is lucky in her Shimano dynohub has lasted a few years.  Most
>> last two (or three at most).  Moisture gets inside and they can't be
>> rebuilt.  On the ones I've had, usually have to scrape down one of the
>> contacts once or twice a winter to get rid of corrosion from the
>> weather.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>
> I agree that for Minnesota winters Shimanos are not up to the task.  My
> first Shimano lasted about 1.5 winters.  My current one has been through two
> winters (I now store the bike in the garage in the winter so there is less
> temperature change and less moisture), but I don't think that it will make
> it through this winter -- it is not quite right now.
> When my current Shimano dies, I will probably just use my battery lights.  I
> have a short commute, I don't want to spend the cash on that bike for a SON
> and I am tired of buying a new Shimano every couple years.
> Dan Abelson
> St. Paul, MN
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread Dan Abelson
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:07 PM, EricP  wrote:

>
> Oh, and Patrick, for Minnesota winters, the SON is the better choice.
> My wife is lucky in her Shimano dynohub has lasted a few years.  Most
> last two (or three at most).  Moisture gets inside and they can't be
> rebuilt.  On the ones I've had, usually have to scrape down one of the
> contacts once or twice a winter to get rid of corrosion from the
> weather.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
I agree that for Minnesota winters Shimanos are not up to the task.  My
first Shimano lasted about 1.5 winters.  My current one has been through two
winters (I now store the bike in the garage in the winter so there is less
temperature change and less moisture), but I don't think that it will make
it through this winter -- it is not quite right now.

When my current Shimano dies, I will probably just use my battery lights.  I
have a short commute, I don't want to spend the cash on that bike for a SON
and I am tired of buying a new Shimano every couple years.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread Kelly Sleeper
X2 on Edelux .. We have them on three of the bikes and love them.

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lights for a Schmidt SON28?

2011-09-05 Thread René Sterental
Congratulations!!!

If you can afford it, get the Edelux. Here's a photo of mine on the Atlantis
under the Nitto Mini/Platrack using the bracket sold by Rene Herse
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail
.

*http://tinyurl.com/3oqgkqx*

The light is great, the senso feature is wonderful even though it turns the
light on even during the day when it's not sunny and bright (great for extra
visibility) and its coverage is perfect. You won't be blinding pedestrians
or cars.

René

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Scott G.  wrote:

> Here is a Cyo using a B&M handle bar mount and the Velo Orange skewer mount
> gadget.
> A little low but used it this way for a few months.
>
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/sg8357/Scott-Goldsmith/Chris-Kvale-2005/Cyo1.jpg.html
>
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