Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

2021-08-29 Thread Patrick Moore 
+ 1,000. Why, oh why do manufacturers of "cycling" pants cut them low in
back or, alternatively, with high crotches? I've owned any number of
high-end and low-end cycling shorts, knickers, and long pants that, this
defect apart, would have been wonderful, but instead cut them like low-rise
street pants.

One recent offender is the pair of Osloh cycling jeans as heavily
advertised by Bike Snob. I had to pay a tailor ~$100 to have the waist
pinched to get a halfway-decent fit -- her work did not solve the low
waistband, but it did make the waist snug at the back, thus less liable to
dropping. (And, I had her remove some of the superfluous "cycling"
adaptations, like the useless chain pad on the inside of the right ankle
 -- they sewed in a snap-fastened ankle cinch; if that works, why the
pad??; and the stupid doubled rear pockets which just make it hard to get
your wallet properly placed.

OTOH, the pair of Nordstrom medium wool flannel dress pants that I had
converted to cycling dress knickers fit wonderfully, because they are high
rise; not 1940s high rise, but Jack Kennedy high rise, so that when you
drop down into the hooks, your back remains securely covered and insulated
from cold drafts between waistband and jersey hem.

My early-edition Riv knickers weren't the worst offenders, but they were
cut needlessly low in back. I sold them on for this and various other
cycling imperfections, at least to my taste.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't
> expect to buy the new ones.
>
> I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg
> straps. The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the
> elastic belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible
> buttcrack while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I
> hardly ever wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that
> scenery on riders behind me.
>
> As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose
> fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays
> covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference
> between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do
>
> As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for
> Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have
> to go elsewhere.
>
> Peter Adler
>  who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so
> either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about
> buttcrack exposure
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both
>> of my pairs of shorts.
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>
>>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
>>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
>>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

2021-08-29 Thread Lyman Labry 
I’ve worn the Musa shorts for several years.  I dislike the elastic belt
and the seams on the rear pockets did not hold for long….other than than,
great durable shorts for cycling.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 3:45 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't
> expect to buy the new ones.
>
> I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg
> straps. The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the
> elastic belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible
> buttcrack while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I
> hardly ever wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that
> scenery on riders behind me.
>
> As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose
> fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays
> covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference
> between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do
>
> As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for
> Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have
> to go elsewhere.
>
> Peter Adler
>  who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so
> either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about
> buttcrack exposure
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both
>> of my pairs of shorts.
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>
>>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
>>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
>>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

2021-08-29 Thread Peter Adler 
Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't 
expect to buy the new ones.

I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg straps. 
The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the elastic 
belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible buttcrack 
while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I hardly ever 
wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that scenery on 
riders behind me.

As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose 
fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays 
covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference 
between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do

As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for 
Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have 
to go elsewhere.

Peter Adler
 who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so 
either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about 
buttcrack exposure
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of 
> my pairs of shorts. 
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>
>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only 
>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be 
>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

2021-08-29 Thread Eric Marth 
I for one wish they were significantly shorter!

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:15:02 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of 
> my pairs of shorts. 
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>
>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only 
>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be 
>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>> Frank
>> Tomahawk,WI
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv 
>>> garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The 
>>> four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets. 
>>> Still going strong.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA 
 shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly 
 comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly 
 indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two. 
 Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint, 
 I can't abide mesh pockets.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

2021-08-29 Thread Steven Sweedler 
I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of
my pairs of shorts.
Steve

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:

> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
> Frank
> Tomahawk,WI
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv
>> garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The
>> four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets.
>> Still going strong.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA
>>> shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly
>>> comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly
>>> indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two.
>>> Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint,
>>> I can't abide mesh pockets.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
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