Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
I agree and if just one person on this RBW thread has a success story to tell because of it, we all have cause to celebrate. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Bill Gibson wrote: > I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related" > during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation. > I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing > individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind, > curiosity, romantic yearning for adventure, much love for life lived uphill > and into the wind, under blazing sun and stars, and a distrust of mass > marketed fads, including diets. A good ride makes me hungry. Velocio taught > me early on to eat before I'm hungry, drink before I'm thirsty, which is > advice that I have never forgotten! Well, no, I bonk sometimes. > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM, CycloFiend wrote: >> >> on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at [email protected] >> wrote: >> > Stayed out of it as long as I could, >> >> Word. >> >> >> >> Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of >> this >> group are, well... "OT". >> >> Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing >> up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me >> well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the >> emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than >> a >> hard edge. >> >> I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and >> consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of >> us >> have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we >> questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core >> design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, >> that >> when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... >> >> In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to >> dig >> down on these topics. >> >> It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will >> pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of >> tires >> upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up >> in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, >> enjoy >> the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. >> >> There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to >> occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat >> than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been >> excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel >> or >> simply agree to disagree. >> >> We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of >> The >> List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the >> specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to >> each of us to maintain that balance. >> >> This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... >> >> >> >> >> - Jim >> >> Previous SOTLR's - >> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar / list admin >> [email protected] >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Bill Gibson > Tempe, Arizona, USA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
You are correct. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > >> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just >> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them >> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories >> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of > food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, > unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for > that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- > standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a > problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. > >> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd >> be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating >> paradigms . . .. > > It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those > who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also > tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced > by the diets they embrace. > > Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they > want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, > fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not > forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious > bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the > handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know > are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I > haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. > > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Jim -- thanks for your work in maintaining this list, and for your flexibility. No more from *me* on food -- for a while. Patrick Moore, who just grunted and groaned his heavy '73 Gr Record Motobecane grocery bike up a 3 mile climb, back down again, and up another 1 mile climb, in a single, 67" fixed gear and is hungrily waiting for chicken "mole' " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(sauce)) made by his brother Peter, visiting from LA. OK, no more after *that*. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Sorry admin hat, I missed your advice to cease and desist: I often write a little in between other tasks and then hit send. That's email for you. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bill Gibson wrote: > I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related" > during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation. > I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing > individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind, > curiosity, romantic yearning for adventure, much love for life lived uphill > and into the wind, under blazing sun and stars, and a distrust of mass > marketed fads, including diets. A good ride makes me hungry. Velocio taught > me early on to eat before I'm hungry, drink before I'm thirsty, which is > advice that I have never forgotten! Well, no, I bonk sometimes. > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > >> on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at [email protected]: >> > Stayed out of it as long as I could, >> >> Word. >> >> >> >> Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of >> this >> group are, well... "OT". >> >> Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing >> up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me >> well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the >> emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than >> a >> hard edge. >> >> I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and >> consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of >> us >> have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we >> questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core >> design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, >> that >> when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... >> >> In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to >> dig >> down on these topics. >> >> It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will >> pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of >> tires >> upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up >> in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, >> enjoy >> the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. >> >> There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to >> occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat >> than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been >> excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel >> or >> simply agree to disagree. >> >> We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of >> The >> List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the >> specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to >> each of us to maintain that balance. >> >> This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... >> >> >> >> >> - Jim >> >> Previous SOTLR's - >> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar / list admin >> [email protected] >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Bill Gibson > Tempe, Arizona, USA > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related" during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation. I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind, curiosity, romantic yearning for adventure, much love for life lived uphill and into the wind, under blazing sun and stars, and a distrust of mass marketed fads, including diets. A good ride makes me hungry. Velocio taught me early on to eat before I'm hungry, drink before I'm thirsty, which is advice that I have never forgotten! Well, no, I bonk sometimes. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at [email protected]: > > Stayed out of it as long as I could, > > Word. > > > > Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of > this > group are, well... "OT". > > Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing > up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me > well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the > emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than > a > hard edge. > > I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and > consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of > us > have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we > questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core > design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, > that > when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... > > In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to dig > down on these topics. > > It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will > pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of > tires > upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up > in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, > enjoy > the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. > > There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to > occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat > than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been > excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel > or > simply agree to disagree. > > We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of The > List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the > specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to > each of us to maintain that balance. > > This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... > > > > > - Jim > > Previous SOTLR's - > http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr > > -- > Jim Edgar / list admin > [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at [email protected] wrote: > Stayed out of it as long as I could, Word. Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of this group are, well... "OT". Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than a hard edge. I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of us have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, that when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to dig down on these topics. It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of tires upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, enjoy the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel or simply agree to disagree. We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of The List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to each of us to maintain that balance. This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... - Jim Previous SOTLR's - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr -- Jim Edgar / list admin [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Yes and NO! If the group you are riding with prefers helmets be worn wear them. If it's your ride and you dont' want to don't. Just be civil. ... I love the helmet wars... but think I would be better served to wear my helmet on the golf course than the bike. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Bruce wrote: > We need to change the topic of this thread. > > What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? > > -- > *From:* Patrick in VT > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch > *Sent:* Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: New News Post > > On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... > > and don't forget disease. > > > in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow > others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
No we don't... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bruce Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:33:27 To: Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post We need to change the topic of this thread. What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? From: Patrick in VT To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... and don't forget disease. in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
We need to change the topic of this thread. What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? From: Patrick in VT To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... and don't forget disease. in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Whereabouts in VT? On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined >> carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it >> to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups >> whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The >> Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are >> scarfing down bacon and cheese. > > and don't forget disease. it's pretty well researched and clear at > this point which foods help prevent, fight or even help reverse > disease, including cancers and heart disease, and which foods increase > the risk for getting seriously sick. if ever there was a final > arbiter of which foods are healthy and which are not, it's disease. > > in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow > others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. > life is better when we take ownership of our decisions, particularly > those that relate to our health. and we are all perfectly capable of > choosing "health" on our own. food isn't complicated. life is. but > food isn't. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Look up the biography of Alexandra David Neal, who practised "tumo" the Tibetan art of self-generating enough heat to survive without warm clothing in Himalayan winters. The Inuit ate largely meat and fish; the Masai, traditionally, milk and blood; the Japanese largely polished rice with a little fish and vegetable, as do my mother's Filipino people, the southwestern pueblo Indians corn and beans (and chile). I personally (Nepal, trek from Pokhara to Ghorepani at about 10K feet; spring, 1968, age 13 -- nothing there in 1968!) have seen Sherpas carrying heavy loads climb at altitude for days largely on tsampa, barley flour mixed with tea. The French seem to eat richly but moderately; all are generally healthy. My conclusion is that there are very many healthy diets. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:39 AM, David T. <> wrote: > > Vilhjalmur Stefansson, the arctic explorer, pioneered and tested a > high meat, high fish, low carb diet, based on what he learned from the > Inuit. In 1930 he published a study in the Journal of the American > Medical Association describing how he and a colleague lived on a diet > of only meat for one year. > > http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf > > (I see the study was partly funded by the Institute of American Meat > Packers.) > > He also had a way of traveling across country by foot in the coldest > conditions: he would walk or run until he felt himself start to get > overheated. Then he would lie down on the snow to rest, and sometimes > even drift off to sleep. When his body cooled down enough he would > naturally wake, and then get up for another stretch of activity. The > key was not to allow himself to get overheated and sweaty, and that > way he avoided hypothermia. > > Does this relate to Rivendell bicycles, or even the topic at hand? Not > necessarily. Just thought I would throw it out there. > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Double that AMEN! You were brought up right. I can't get away with that on a long ride-I'll just end up seeing the food again later. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > AMEN, BROTHER, I'm with you... Because life is too short to not enjoy > food!!! (or drink sh**y beer, or drink bad coffee, or ride lousy > bikes... yaddy yadda...) > > BB > > On Jan 7, 11:59 am, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.: >> Medium please >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: >> >> >> >> > Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long >> > rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post >> > regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high >> > protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide >> > the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. >> >> > I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning >> > to do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) >> >> > René >> >> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> > Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan >> > on riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, >> > but I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. >> >> > Kelly >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Bravo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: PATRICK MOORE Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:04:08 To: Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are scarfing down bacon and cheese. Sit still, quiet, breathe deeply, think peaceful thoughts, cultivate one-ness with the cosmos -- and be patient, patient, patient: this fad too shall pass. Patrick "happily and skinnily (at a svelte almost 56, 5'10" in bare feet, 170 lb) eating his home made French bread with olive oil, salt and pepper, who believes that a real culprit of dietary sin is processed foods and who eats very little of them because they are so g-d disgusting! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > >> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just >> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them >> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories >> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of > food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, > unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for > that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- > standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a > problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. > >> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd >> be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating >> paradigms . . .. > > It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those > who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also > tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced > by the diets they embrace. > > Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they > want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, > fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not > forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious > bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the > handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know > are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I > haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. > > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: Patrick made one other good observation: > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. The uttermostly bestest cookbook that I have come across for versatility and simplicity AND quality of results is Bittman's How To Cook Everything. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are scarfing down bacon and cheese. Sit still, quiet, breathe deeply, think peaceful thoughts, cultivate one-ness with the cosmos -- and be patient, patient, patient: this fad too shall pass. Patrick "happily and skinnily (at a svelte almost 56, 5'10" in bare feet, 170 lb) eating his home made French bread with olive oil, salt and pepper, who believes that a real culprit of dietary sin is processed foods and who eats very little of them because they are so g-d disgusting! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > >> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just >> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them >> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories >> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of > food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, > unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for > that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- > standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a > problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. > >> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd >> be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating >> paradigms . . .. > > It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those > who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also > tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced > by the diets they embrace. > > Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they > want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, > fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not > forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious > bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the > handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know > are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I > haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. > > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.: Medium please Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: > Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long > rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post > regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high > protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide > the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. > > I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning to > do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) > > René > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on > riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but > I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. > > Kelly > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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The thing I like best about Taube's books are that they make me think and look at food in a different way. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: "Rene Sterental" To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2011 5:20:40 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation of the topic has left an indelible impression. No more second guessing or partially trying to do something that doesn't quite make a lasting change, as well as gaining the complete understanding of what has been happening with me since I first learned about carbohydrate addiction in 2002 after many previous failed attempts. I just got started on this approach with no dabbling or excuses. 20 net grams of carbs per day and all animal meats and fats. I was already gluten free since June and lost about 20 lbs but had plateaud since August due to all the gluten free carbs I was eating. Now the path is fully clear and my paradigm on the subject has been fully reshapen. What more can I say but thank Grant for bringing this up to my attention with his post? Thanks Grant!!! I'll still be purchasing a few books when you have them in stock to give to family and friends as gifts of life. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:02 PM, andrew hill wrote: > if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets > work because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, > and that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) > metabolism from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism. > > so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high > work output, essentially. > > to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan > carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you > are actually burning through them. > > in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days > (2-4 at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, > called things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc. > > best, > andrew > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote: > >> >> Friends: >> >> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work >> ok for me, but for one significant problem: >> >> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? >> >> Here is my query to the group: >> >> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than >> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without >> consuming lots of carbohydrates. >> >> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through >> multi-hour rides? >> >> RL >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning to do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) René On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on > riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but > I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. > > Kelly > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Why? Don't we plan to do long rides on our Riv bikes? I for certainly do, as I just sold my carbon Specialized Roubaix and now only have Riv bikes aside from my dual suspension mountain bike that has its place in my life as well... :-) On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Eric Norris wrote: > I'm sorry, but can we please put an end to this thread? This topic is not > Riv-related--if I want to read about pseudoscientific dietary theories I > have many choices elsewhere. > > —Eric Norris > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Anne, I understand your dilemma. I don't have a good answer for you yet, aside from speculating that if your metabolism is now in the fat burning mode, you probably wouldn't deplete your muscle and liver glycogen (carb) reserves like you do now (and bonk), and therefore, eating foods that provide the high fat, high protein, low carb ratio would allow your body to continue converting them into fat and burning them. I'm no expert in long or super long rides (I've only done one century and several metric centuries a few years ago) but I do know you're supposed to do long rides at 70-80% of HR max intensity, which means that you should be able to continue to use your new optimized and reawakened fat burning metabolism, reserving the glycogen for any emergency quick energy need. That is what I infer from what I've read and the study Westerman quoted. One point that Taubes makes very emphatically is that it's animal fats that in addition to helping with the weight loss, help improve all the health markers (LDL, HDL, etc.) He quoted a study where eating vegetable fats, while still achieving the weight loss due to the reduced carb intake, did not improve the markers. He also makes a point that there are no bad animal fats, that we believe so because it's been repeated for so long by the high carb eating paradigm people. But we should stay away from processed vegetable fats as they are harmful. When I did my first century with Team in Training back in 2005, and then my subsequent seasons with them, I found that the only way for me to finish the rides was by eating carbs throughout the whole route. They would provide the energy boost, but at the same time I would finish each ride feeling terribly and painfully bloated. I didn't lose any weight during these seasons and even in my state of ignorance at the time, I could tell that this was no formula for success. At the time I thought that what I needed was more training, but now I understand what was happening to me. I'll be more than happy to share my experiences during 2011 on the subject. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I'm sorry, but can we please put an end to this thread? This topic is not Riv-related--if I want to read about pseudoscientific dietary theories I have many choices elsewhere. —Eric Norris On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: > Anne, > > The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just > like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them > for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories > for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > Carbs and Fats do not create this addiciton response. Like fighting any other > addiction, you have to cut them off (we're talking primarily about sugars and > flours), go through the withdrawal phase like any other addicit who wants out > and keep the substance forever away from you. > > There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such > a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a carbohydrate > addict either. Managing food is just harder than managing cigarrettes or > alcohol because you do have to continue eating and there are many hidden > addictive substances in many foods so staying alert is all that much harder. > Before you know it, you've relapsed into the addiciton like it's happened to > me and countless others. > > For many in these programs, other emotional tools like 12 steps, etc. are > helpful as well. To me, something I started in June called EFT (Emotional > Freedom Technique) did the trick on the emotional side, but it's important to > understand (as Taube clearly points out) that this is a physiological > addictive response and has nothing to do with will power, self esteem or > anything like that. > > Once you've gone through the withdrawal phase (Taube offers some good > solutions to minimize discomfortable effects and explains why they occur), > your cravings for carbohydrates really dissapear (YMMV). The problem is that > after losing a noticeable amount of weight and feeling incredibly great, > social pressure and established paradigms start acting on you and you feel > like you've been so good you should get a reward... and fall into the > slippery slope that will lead you back to the addiciton state. In my > experience, and believe me I'm fully convinced now as I've lived this cycle > several times, there is no freedom from the addiction and any reward should > never take the form of sugar/flour/bad carbohydrate, but more preferred forms > are bicycle, camera or any other such variations, apart from the feeling of > well-being that comes from having lost weight, looking now better and feeling > way much better. > > I'm now reading the book that Taube recommends for more details on the eating > plan if you want them. His book quotes a very simple and correct eating plan > but he recommends this book for people who feel they need more details and > food plans. He references the works of one of the authors several times. The > book is "The New Atkins for a New You", published last year and authored by > Dr. Eric Westman. My opinion is that Taube's book is a lot more powerful in > its message, while Westman's book is tailored like a diet book and has a much > "softer" approach. Westman's book wouldn't have had the same impact Taube's > book did on my realization that the answers were there all along, but somehow > confused and mixed with the current paradigms so it was all too confusing. > The good thing about Westman's book is that he provides qute a bit more > detail on how to switch to this eating paradigm and when touching the topic > of exercise quotes a study that was done with proffesional cyclists that > proved that after a couple of weeks on the plan, after their metabolisms > adapted to the new change and were burning fat instead of carbs, they showed > no reduction in their endurance and maximal efforts but didn't consume their > normal carbohydrate reserves (glycogen in the muscles and liver). > > I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be > willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms > and sticks to the 20 grams/day goal, one should be able to fuel during long > rides using the same type of food rather than ingesting high carbs for the > sugar rush/release. > > Both authors acknowledge that there is anecdotal evidence that inserting high > carb meals into the regular low carb ones helps with the weight loss, sort of > shaking the body a bit, but state there have been no formal studies conducted > to prove/disprove this so they leave it up to you. > > When I've lost the 80 lbs I still need to lose, and start joining you on > those brevets like the one you so vividly reported a few days ago, I'll > hopefully have my own anectdotal evidence regarding how to best fuel for > them. In the meantime, I plan to stick to this paradigm as I co
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H, bacon... On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental > wrote: > > > There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't > such > > a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a > > carbohydrate addict either. > > OK, so then let's say I'm doing a brevet following this diet plan. > What am I eating? As far as I can tell, nothing that any randonneur I > know about eats while riding would qualify. Certainly no proprietary > energy food would be acceptable, nor would Coke, Gatorade, chocolate > milk, a sandwich, a granola bar, a banana or an almond Snickers bar. > Am I supposed to fill up my hypothetical bar tube bag with bacon? > > The beer after the ride is also verboten, I take it, though wine is OK. > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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well, there are issues with both approaches, as blanket rules. we should be avoiding some fats (saturated animal fats, especially omega-6s) and some carbs (simple sugars and grain-based) but enjoying other fats (vegetable oils, unsaturated animal/fish fats, especially omega-3s) and other carbs (complex, vegetable and fruit based). the problem is that sugar and grain-based carbs as well as saturated fats usually taste extremely good. they have a "valuable" taste, e.g. we are wired to find them preferable as they are calorically quite dense compared to unsaturated fats and non-blood-sugar-bumping carbs, and in an evolutionary sense finding these foods meant we could spend less time foraging and more time doing other things that start with an f. the yummy-but-bad fats and the yummy-but-bad carbs are actually bad for different reasons. e.g. saturated fats and O6s lead to increased blood lipids and increased cytokine inflammatory responses, while the evolutionally-rare-in-nature carbs overdrive our insulin/leptin signaling systems to a point they cannot manage blood sugar levels and fat storage within healthy ranges. in addition, our western diets have been flooded by these foods (and especially grain/sugar carbs) as a function of business rather than nutrition. the "fats are bad" misapprehension that started in the 70s and 80s pushed us even further towards carbs and sugar over the past 40 years, as foods were pumped up with sugars to ensure they were still palatable once the fats were removed. add in consumption of weird engineered foods (HFCS, margarine) whose ratios of macronutrients is unusual, and we start seeing lots of secondary bad effects on metabolism, tissues, and growth/repair mechanisms. -andrew On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them" > differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid > them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than > delicious fats? > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: >> Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling >> for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I >> was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation >> of the topic has left an indelible impression. > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: > There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such > a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a > carbohydrate addict either. OK, so then let's say I'm doing a brevet following this diet plan. What am I eating? As far as I can tell, nothing that any randonneur I know about eats while riding would qualify. Certainly no proprietary energy food would be acceptable, nor would Coke, Gatorade, chocolate milk, a sandwich, a granola bar, a banana or an almond Snickers bar. Am I supposed to fill up my hypothetical bar tube bag with bacon? The beer after the ride is also verboten, I take it, though wine is OK. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Anne, The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) Carbs and Fats do not create this addiciton response. Like fighting any other addiction, you have to cut them off (we're talking primarily about sugars and flours), go through the withdrawal phase like any other addicit who wants out and keep the substance forever away from you. There is no such thing as just one drink for alcoholics and there isn't such a thing as just one bite of something sugary or with flour for a carbohydrate addict either. Managing food is just harder than managing cigarrettes or alcohol because you do have to continue eating and there are many hidden addictive substances in many foods so staying alert is all that much harder. Before you know it, you've relapsed into the addiciton like it's happened to me and countless others. For many in these programs, other emotional tools like 12 steps, etc. are helpful as well. To me, something I started in June called EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) did the trick on the emotional side, but it's important to understand (as Taube clearly points out) that this is a physiological addictive response and has nothing to do with will power, self esteem or anything like that. Once you've gone through the withdrawal phase (Taube offers some good solutions to minimize discomfortable effects and explains why they occur), your cravings for carbohydrates really dissapear (YMMV). The problem is that after losing a noticeable amount of weight and feeling incredibly great, social pressure and established paradigms start acting on you and you feel like you've been so good you should get a reward... and fall into the slippery slope that will lead you back to the addiciton state. In my experience, and believe me I'm fully convinced now as I've lived this cycle several times, there is no freedom from the addiction and any reward should never take the form of sugar/flour/bad carbohydrate, but more preferred forms are bicycle, camera or any other such variations, apart from the feeling of well-being that comes from having lost weight, looking now better and feeling way much better. I'm now reading the book that Taube recommends for more details on the eating plan if you want them. His book quotes a very simple and correct eating plan but he recommends this book for people who feel they need more details and food plans. He references the works of one of the authors several times. The book is "The New Atkins for a New You", published last year and authored by Dr. Eric Westman. My opinion is that Taube's book is a lot more powerful in its message, while Westman's book is tailored like a diet book and has a much "softer" approach. Westman's book wouldn't have had the same impact Taube's book did on my realization that the answers were there all along, but somehow confused and mixed with the current paradigms so it was all too confusing. The good thing about Westman's book is that he provides qute a bit more detail on how to switch to this eating paradigm and when touching the topic of exercise quotes a study that was done with proffesional cyclists that proved that after a couple of weeks on the plan, after their metabolisms adapted to the new change and were burning fat instead of carbs, they showed no reduction in their endurance and maximal efforts but didn't consume their normal carbohydrate reserves (glycogen in the muscles and liver). I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms and sticks to the 20 grams/day goal, one should be able to fuel during long rides using the same type of food rather than ingesting high carbs for the sugar rush/release. Both authors acknowledge that there is anecdotal evidence that inserting high carb meals into the regular low carb ones helps with the weight loss, sort of shaking the body a bit, but state there have been no formal studies conducted to prove/disprove this so they leave it up to you. When I've lost the 80 lbs I still need to lose, and start joining you on those brevets like the one you so vividly reported a few days ago, I'll hopefully have my own anectdotal evidence regarding how to best fuel for them. In the meantime, I plan to stick to this paradigm as I continue to get ready for my bike tour introductory course in May and will let you know how these longer (for me) rides come along with the new eating plan. Apologies for the lengthy message... :-) René On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them" > differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid > them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than
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Why does "Carbohydrates are delicious but you should avoid them" differ in diet success from "Fats are delicious but you should avoid them"? How is it easier to avoid delicious carbohydrates than delicious fats? On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: > Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling > for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I > was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation > of the topic has left an indelible impression. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation of the topic has left an indelible impression. No more second guessing or partially trying to do something that doesn't quite make a lasting change, as well as gaining the complete understanding of what has been happening with me since I first learned about carbohydrate addiction in 2002 after many previous failed attempts. I just got started on this approach with no dabbling or excuses. 20 net grams of carbs per day and all animal meats and fats. I was already gluten free since June and lost about 20 lbs but had plateaud since August due to all the gluten free carbs I was eating. Now the path is fully clear and my paradigm on the subject has been fully reshapen. What more can I say but thank Grant for bringing this up to my attention with his post? Thanks Grant!!! I'll still be purchasing a few books when you have them in stock to give to family and friends as gifts of life. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:02 PM, andrew hill wrote: > if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets > work because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, > and that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) > metabolism from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism. > > so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high > work output, essentially. > > to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan > carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you > are actually burning through them. > > in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days > (2-4 at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, > called things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc. > > best, > andrew > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote: > >> >> Friends: >> >> I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work >> ok for me, but for one significant problem: >> >> How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? >> >> Here is my query to the group: >> >> I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than >> 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without >> consuming lots of carbohydrates. >> >> How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through >> multi-hour rides? >> >> RL >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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My own plan is that I eat a breakfast bar (about 1/2 sugar and 1/2 cereal grains for carb content) an hour prior and then once an hour while riding. Supplement on longer rides with a banana as well. From: reynoldslugs To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:37:04 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post Friends: I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work ok for me, but for one significant problem: How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? Here is my query to the group: I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without consuming lots of carbohydrates. How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through multi-hour rides? RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets work because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, and that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) metabolism from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism. so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high work output, essentially. to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you are actually burning through them. in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days (2-4 at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, called things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc. best, andrew On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote: > > Friends: > > I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work > ok for me, but for one significant problem: > > How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? > > Here is my query to the group: > > I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than > 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without > consuming lots of carbohydrates. > > How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through > multi-hour rides? > > RL > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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In the P.D.F.A. book there is a formula, based on the duration of the event, to calculate your approx carb intake. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:37 PM, reynoldslugs wrote: > > Friends: > > I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work > ok for me, but for one significant problem: > > How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? > > Here is my query to the group: > > I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than > 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without > consuming lots of carbohydrates. > > How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through > multi-hour rides? > > RL > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Same for me.. I'm 6'6" but after getting married and kids, working all the time, I went up to 260. A lot for my frame, where as 215 was too low. I was at the gym, doing weights, machines, 180 crunches of various types, riding a lot and nothing until I started cutting out a lot of sugar and carbs (10 #'s in one week after switching from sugared soft-drinks!), until I got to around 230 +/-. Perfect for me (think power forward rather than tight-end), and know what happened, and it seemed like over night? A six-pack appeared! Riding suffered until I picked-up on Paleo Diet for Athletes. I learned to use carbs/sugar as fuel-still haven't perfected that yet, but the work continues. Mostly it was about 1-2 lbs a week, which I'm told is a "healthy" way to do it. When I raced in my teens, I was this tall and weighed about 175, but had the same legs as now only I was emaciated looking from the waist up, but that was equally unhealthy-I couldn't do any physical work whatsoever. I seem to have found a decent middle ground. Now if I wasn't so old and so ugly. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Tony wrote: > The Primal Blueprint world came into my life the middle of last year. > Every once in a while the stars and planets align and what was > impossible becomes unavoidable. Bike commuting became an inter-modal > bike commute (now including hilly San Francisco), became bike travel > for anything < 10 miles. Add a Rivendell bike and weekend recreational > riding and suddenly, Wow! how did I lose this weight? Suddenly I am to > ready to reread and pay attention to what Grant had written about > Sisson's book. I bought the book, read it, and swear to you that > bread, rice, and sugar are not missed. I started lifting at the local > gym, doing Tabata sprints at the high school field on Saturdays and I > won't bore you with the clothes size changes and blood work results - > (Okay, HDL of 90). I hope this all means optimal health, I certainly > am doing my best to approach that. > > Tony > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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"When men of science find out something more/
We shall be happier than we were before."
I still think common sense and moderate education is the best criterion.
Headline on recent BBC ("Lite") website: "Neanderthals Cooked Vegetables."
Patrick "going to give up my home made bread when they pry it from my
cold, dead palate" Moore
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Mike wrote:
> "Anthropologists have assumed that early humans supplemented their
> meaty, protein-heavy diet with nutrients from plants. Plant starches
> are energy-rich carbohydrates, but aren't exactly "ready-to-eat." The
> latest discovery confirms that humans as far back as 30,000 years had
> figured out how to "process" some of those starches before consuming
> them."
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/10/18/130654483/starchy-wild-plants-added-carbs-to-ancient-man-s-meaty-diet
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> --mike
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FWIW and YMMV etc., I have "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" to be very helpful. It is, in some ways, the best of both worlds. They explain how you can use gels, drinks, etc., during exercise, while sticking to a low-carb regimen when not exercising. Worth a look. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, grrlyrida wrote: > > I'm a fan of Gary Taubes since he came out with, "What if fat was a > big fat lie?" During the low carb 00's. But as a person in the > culinary industry, most of these diet books are unsustainable for most > people. Sure lots of processed sugar and wheat based carbs will cause > you to gain weight. But cutting them out for more than a few months is > hard for most people. > > What has worked for me is following a low to mostly no wheat, corn and > dairy diet, but still eating some sugars like maple syrup on occasion. > > I work with sugar, butter and flour everyday and it's hard, but if I > say I'll have kamut pancakes instead of whole wheat this Sunday and > maple syrup instead of caramel colored simple syrup Ms. Butterworth, > it keeps me from eating brioche cinnamon rolls, brioche maple glazed > donuts, chocolate hazelnut tortes and red velvet cupcakes I have to > bake daily. > > Cutting out all "bad" carbs is a recipe for failure in the long run. > Having a balance approach by keeping some of the "bad" carbs you love > and having them on special occasions, seems to offer more success for > keeping the weight off. > > Have a safe and prosperous new year, > Ness > > On Jan 1, 5:08 pm, Dave Minyard wrote: > > I just saw this on the website. Good > > Stuff...http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/318. Say's it might only be > > up today. > > > > Happy New Year! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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on 1/2/11 10:30 AM, doug peterson at [email protected] wrote: > RE: Colnago - yea, looks like it got garaged or run over or something > severe. This was not a JRA failure. Boy. 8.60 Euros don't buy too much no more. -- Jim Edgar [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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My family members are looking over at me at the computer, saying, "what are you over there laughing at?" -Original Message- From: cyclotourist Sent: Jan 2, 2011 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post Dave's not here... On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Michael_S <[email protected]> wrote: but David, it's not the during calories, it's the after calories ...Duude.~Mike~ On Jan 2, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist <[email protected]> wrote:> As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction.>> http://www.canorml.org/camjlaws.html>> Just sayin'.>>>>> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE <[email protected]> wrote:> > Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories.>> > This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and> > prefers bourbon, too).>> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, cyclotourist <[email protected]> > > wrote:> > > FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than> > beer> > > today.>> > --> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group.> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected].> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to> > [email protected][email protected]> > > .> > For more options, visit this group at> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.>> --> Cheers,> David> Redlands, CA>> *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would> probably benefit more from> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- Hide quoted text ->> - Show quoted text --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to [email protected] unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-- Cheers,DavidRedlands, CA...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more fromimproving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to [email protected] unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Dave's not here... On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Michael_S wrote: > but David, it's not the during calories, it's the after calories ... > Duude. > > ~Mike~ > > On Jan 2, 5:25 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction. > > > > http://www.canorml.org/camjlaws.html > > > > Just sayin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE > wrote: > > > Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories. > > > > > This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and > > > prefers bourbon, too). > > > > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, cyclotourist > > > wrote: > > > > FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than > > > beer > > > > today. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected] > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > David > > Redlands, CA > > > > *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would > > probably benefit more from > > improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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As of yesterday, possession of < 1oz is now an infraction. http://www.canorml.org/camjlaws.html Just sayin'. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories. > > This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and > prefers bourbon, too). > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, cyclotourist > wrote: > > FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than > beer > > today. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Pot (smoked) has even fewer calories. This from Patrick Moore, who hasn't smoked pot since summer, 1975 (and prefers bourbon, too). On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than beer > today. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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FWIW, inspired by this conversation, I'm drinking Bourbon rather than beer today. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Bruce wrote: > Good dark Belgian Chocolate (or Sees for that matter) is available in low > carb varieties, although the sugar alcohols they substitute for sugar can > make you gassy. Variety is needed for any way of eating, and support. The > Low Carb support forum has a large Paleo contingent and many Taubes fans. > It's free and has some good analytic tools as well as discussion forums. > > http://forum.lowcarber.org/index.php?s=7f464b891a6ff68aa43277eef143c8e9&; > > -- > *From:* Michael_S > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch > *Sent:* Sun, January 2, 2011 4:14:43 PM > > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: New News Post > > I agree that too difficult a regimen is tough to maintain...that's why > I always keep a good supply of good dark chocolate in reserve! > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Good dark Belgian Chocolate (or Sees for that matter) is available in low carb varieties, although the sugar alcohols they substitute for sugar can make you gassy. Variety is needed for any way of eating, and support. The Low Carb support forum has a large Paleo contingent and many Taubes fans. It's free and has some good analytic tools as well as discussion forums. http://forum.lowcarber.org/index.php?s=7f464b891a6ff68aa43277eef143c8e9&; From: Michael_S To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 4:14:43 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post I agree that too difficult a regimen is tough to maintain...that's why I always keep a good supply of good dark chocolate in reserve! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael_S wrote: > Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I > may just get the book. I watched an interview with Taubes, the author of the book Grant is recommending. I found it infuriated. Taubes says that standard restricted-calorie and lowfat diets don't work for weightloss, because people get hungry and don't follow them. He says exercise doesn't work for weightloss, because it makes people hungry. His answer? A low carbohydrate, high fat diet. OK. In what universe does a low carbohydrate diet not require willpower? I don't know about you guys, but I never met a noodle I didn't like, and I have a fondness for cookies too. If I followed his diet advice, I'd lose weight I'm sure, but then again, if I followed anyone's diet advice I'd lose weight. So how is his diet better than the other diet down the block? And how does a low-carb diet work for long bike rides? I didn't eat enough yesterday on my brevet, but if I had been restricting my intake to steaks and olive oil I'd have been even worse off. Also, in my experience, some kinds of exercise DO reliably cause weightloss. In my experience, everyone, absolutely everyone, who does a long unsupported bike tour loses weight. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
I really enjoy Grant's writing. I'm going to check out the book, think I'll hold off and get it from Riv. The thing that struck me about the Colnago is regardless of the cause, that carbon/plastic seems to be brittle. Not sure if that's a correct conclusion but the example looks like broken glass. -JimD On Jan 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I'll bet a nickel that Colnago was the result of the growing phenomenon, drive-in-the-garage-with-blingy-road-bike-on-top... This happened to a close friend... with similar results... he's more broken than his C50 frame... On Jan 1, 9:25 pm, Michael_S wrote: Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I may just get the book. I was able to lean out at age 50+ by switching to a Mediterranean diet.. no meat/chicken/pork just vegetables/ beans/whole grains and some fish/eggs/cheese and plenty of red wine too. I may have to bid on the Colnago..make a nice pc of wall art. ~Mike~ On Jan 1, 5:08 pm, Dave Minyard wrote: I just saw this on the website. Good Stuff...http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/318 . Say's it might only be up today. Happy New Year! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Not exactly Primal, but I leaned out on Atkins and have stayed that way for 1 1/2 yrs now. It shares some of the Primal approach. From: Michael_S To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:21:39 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post Interesting article though I am not a proponent of the Primal diet I may just get the book. I was able to lean out at a age 50+ by switching to a Mediteraian diet.. no meat/chicken/pork just vegtebles/ beans/whole grains and some fish/eggs/cheese. I On Jan 1, 5:08 pm, Dave Minyard wrote: > I just saw this on the website. Good >Stuff...http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/318. Say's it might only be up >today. > > Happy New Year! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
