Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-12-04 Thread George Schick 
Jason - thanks for the tip.  I pulled the seat post out of the Ram's tube 
and it came out easily. Further, it turns out that I must've been thinking 
of a different bike because the post was pre-cut by the manf. at just the 
right length.  Nevertheless, I re-greased with anti-seize lubricant and put 
it back. Thanks again.
George

On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Always a good idea to cut excess seat post off to lessen the chances of it 
> getting permanently stuck if you forget to periodically remove and 
> regrease. Side benefit that it cuts some extra weight! 
>
> On Wednesday, 27 November 2024 at 14:12:17 UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> This blog thread caused me to think about why my '04 Ram seems heavier on 
>> the back end than the re-built '72 Fuji finest when I lift it off the 
>> ceiling hooks in the garage.  Of course, there's a Mark's mini-rack back 
>> there plus saddle bag, but it suddenly occurred to me that when I bought 
>> the bike I installed one of the last silver Salsa Shaft seat posts to go 
>> with it and that seat post was 350mm long.  I just shoved the entire length 
>> into the seat tube until I got it to the height I wanted.  I suspect that 
>> if I would cut off the excess length it would make some difference in the 
>> bike's weight.  Hopefully I can get it out of the seat tube without too 
>> much difficulty.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 12:40:12 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What "shop scales" did you inherit?  Is it the kind with a hook that 
>>> weighs the whole bike?  Digital/analog/both?  Did you get a gram scale for 
>>> small parts?
>>>
>>> The thing to buy, IMO is a food scale.  They are super affordable, and 
>>> accurate enough, and typically have a capacity up to 5kg (11 pounds), so 
>>> there is no individual part on a build that you can't weigh.  Once you've 
>>> got a food scale, it opens up a whole new way to follow recipes for dry 
>>> ingredients that have variable density.  Things like flour or chopped herbs 
>>> don't lend themselves to volumetric portioning, but the weight is pretty 
>>> reliable.  It's a great tool in the kitchen for people who like to follow 
>>> recipes.  You free-form-jazz cooks who use the recipe as a suggestion would 
>>> likely disapprove of that regimentation.  :)
>>>
>>> Like I said at the beginning, trying to make a heavy build light can be 
>>> a tough task, unless maybe you are already content to take everything off, 
>>> weigh every piece, and then scatter those bits to other parts of your 
>>> stable, and start a brand new ground-up build.  If you are frugal, and 
>>> don't have the ability or the will to let go of "perfectly good" pieces 
>>> that happen to be heavy, then you may be better off adopting the healthier 
>>> attitude that the weight of your bike has nothing to do with your enjoyment 
>>> of a bike ride.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 2:38:21 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Jumping in as this tails off, but recently I inherited some shop scales 
 and started weighing everything. 
 It has only just occurred to me how light our Rivendells generally are 
 in the grand scheme of things. Rim brakes really do make a difference in 
 how light the forks can be built and that seems to be a huge factor in 
 overall weights.
 Just something that's been on my radar lately, I have been planning on 
 trying to get my Homer as light as possible now that it has been retired 
 from commuter duty. Excited to see a lightweight build to get the ideas 
 flowing!

 On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 22:21:15 UTC+8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> For real! I was just thinking the same thing.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-27 Thread Jason Fuller 
Always a good idea to cut excess seat post off to lessen the chances of it 
getting permanently stuck if you forget to periodically remove and 
regrease. Side benefit that it cuts some extra weight! 

On Wednesday, 27 November 2024 at 14:12:17 UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> This blog thread caused me to think about why my '04 Ram seems heavier on 
> the back end than the re-built '72 Fuji finest when I lift it off the 
> ceiling hooks in the garage.  Of course, there's a Mark's mini-rack back 
> there plus saddle bag, but it suddenly occurred to me that when I bought 
> the bike I installed one of the last silver Salsa Shaft seat posts to go 
> with it and that seat post was 350mm long.  I just shoved the entire length 
> into the seat tube until I got it to the height I wanted.  I suspect that 
> if I would cut off the excess length it would make some difference in the 
> bike's weight.  Hopefully I can get it out of the seat tube without too 
> much difficulty.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 12:40:12 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> What "shop scales" did you inherit?  Is it the kind with a hook that 
>> weighs the whole bike?  Digital/analog/both?  Did you get a gram scale for 
>> small parts?
>>
>> The thing to buy, IMO is a food scale.  They are super affordable, and 
>> accurate enough, and typically have a capacity up to 5kg (11 pounds), so 
>> there is no individual part on a build that you can't weigh.  Once you've 
>> got a food scale, it opens up a whole new way to follow recipes for dry 
>> ingredients that have variable density.  Things like flour or chopped herbs 
>> don't lend themselves to volumetric portioning, but the weight is pretty 
>> reliable.  It's a great tool in the kitchen for people who like to follow 
>> recipes.  You free-form-jazz cooks who use the recipe as a suggestion would 
>> likely disapprove of that regimentation.  :)
>>
>> Like I said at the beginning, trying to make a heavy build light can be a 
>> tough task, unless maybe you are already content to take everything off, 
>> weigh every piece, and then scatter those bits to other parts of your 
>> stable, and start a brand new ground-up build.  If you are frugal, and 
>> don't have the ability or the will to let go of "perfectly good" pieces 
>> that happen to be heavy, then you may be better off adopting the healthier 
>> attitude that the weight of your bike has nothing to do with your enjoyment 
>> of a bike ride.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 2:38:21 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Jumping in as this tails off, but recently I inherited some shop scales 
>>> and started weighing everything. 
>>> It has only just occurred to me how light our Rivendells generally are 
>>> in the grand scheme of things. Rim brakes really do make a difference in 
>>> how light the forks can be built and that seems to be a huge factor in 
>>> overall weights.
>>> Just something that's been on my radar lately, I have been planning on 
>>> trying to get my Homer as light as possible now that it has been retired 
>>> from commuter duty. Excited to see a lightweight build to get the ideas 
>>> flowing!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 22:21:15 UTC+8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:

> For real! I was just thinking the same thing.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  
> wrote:
>
>> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-27 Thread George Schick 
This blog thread caused me to think about why my '04 Ram seems heavier on 
the back end than the re-built '72 Fuji finest when I lift it off the 
ceiling hooks in the garage.  Of course, there's a Mark's mini-rack back 
there plus saddle bag, but it suddenly occurred to me that when I bought 
the bike I installed one of the last silver Salsa Shaft seat posts to go 
with it and that seat post was 350mm long.  I just shoved the entire length 
into the seat tube until I got it to the height I wanted.  I suspect that 
if I would cut off the excess length it would make some difference in the 
bike's weight.  Hopefully I can get it out of the seat tube without too 
much difficulty.


On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 12:40:12 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What "shop scales" did you inherit?  Is it the kind with a hook that 
> weighs the whole bike?  Digital/analog/both?  Did you get a gram scale for 
> small parts?
>
> The thing to buy, IMO is a food scale.  They are super affordable, and 
> accurate enough, and typically have a capacity up to 5kg (11 pounds), so 
> there is no individual part on a build that you can't weigh.  Once you've 
> got a food scale, it opens up a whole new way to follow recipes for dry 
> ingredients that have variable density.  Things like flour or chopped herbs 
> don't lend themselves to volumetric portioning, but the weight is pretty 
> reliable.  It's a great tool in the kitchen for people who like to follow 
> recipes.  You free-form-jazz cooks who use the recipe as a suggestion would 
> likely disapprove of that regimentation.  :)
>
> Like I said at the beginning, trying to make a heavy build light can be a 
> tough task, unless maybe you are already content to take everything off, 
> weigh every piece, and then scatter those bits to other parts of your 
> stable, and start a brand new ground-up build.  If you are frugal, and 
> don't have the ability or the will to let go of "perfectly good" pieces 
> that happen to be heavy, then you may be better off adopting the healthier 
> attitude that the weight of your bike has nothing to do with your enjoyment 
> of a bike ride.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 2:38:21 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Jumping in as this tails off, but recently I inherited some shop scales 
>> and started weighing everything. 
>> It has only just occurred to me how light our Rivendells generally are in 
>> the grand scheme of things. Rim brakes really do make a difference in how 
>> light the forks can be built and that seems to be a huge factor in overall 
>> weights.
>> Just something that's been on my radar lately, I have been planning on 
>> trying to get my Homer as light as possible now that it has been retired 
>> from commuter duty. Excited to see a lightweight build to get the ideas 
>> flowing!
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 22:21:15 UTC+8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>
 For real! I was just thinking the same thing.

 On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-27 Thread Bill Lindsay 
What "shop scales" did you inherit?  Is it the kind with a hook that weighs 
the whole bike?  Digital/analog/both?  Did you get a gram scale for small 
parts?

The thing to buy, IMO is a food scale.  They are super affordable, and 
accurate enough, and typically have a capacity up to 5kg (11 pounds), so 
there is no individual part on a build that you can't weigh.  Once you've 
got a food scale, it opens up a whole new way to follow recipes for dry 
ingredients that have variable density.  Things like flour or chopped herbs 
don't lend themselves to volumetric portioning, but the weight is pretty 
reliable.  It's a great tool in the kitchen for people who like to follow 
recipes.  You free-form-jazz cooks who use the recipe as a suggestion would 
likely disapprove of that regimentation.  :)

Like I said at the beginning, trying to make a heavy build light can be a 
tough task, unless maybe you are already content to take everything off, 
weigh every piece, and then scatter those bits to other parts of your 
stable, and start a brand new ground-up build.  If you are frugal, and 
don't have the ability or the will to let go of "perfectly good" pieces 
that happen to be heavy, then you may be better off adopting the healthier 
attitude that the weight of your bike has nothing to do with your enjoyment 
of a bike ride.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 2:38:21 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:

> Jumping in as this tails off, but recently I inherited some shop scales 
> and started weighing everything. 
> It has only just occurred to me how light our Rivendells generally are in 
> the grand scheme of things. Rim brakes really do make a difference in how 
> light the forks can be built and that seems to be a huge factor in overall 
> weights.
> Just something that's been on my radar lately, I have been planning on 
> trying to get my Homer as light as possible now that it has been retired 
> from commuter duty. Excited to see a lightweight build to get the ideas 
> flowing!
>
> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 22:21:15 UTC+8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> For real! I was just thinking the same thing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Grant is so disappointed in this group right now

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-27 Thread John Dewey 
That’s funny and 98.9% sure you are correct sir!

JD

PS: Now get back to it. You must have some twining (or re-twining) left to
do somewhere. And btw, a little shellac carefully administered is the bees
knees twine solution.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 5:21 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 7:29:35 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3900.jpeg]To add another data point, I weighted my Roadini
>> fork that came with my 57cm frame: 840g.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 07:30:22 UTC+10:30 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Matthias, when I talked to Riv to help choosing between a Homer and
>>> Roaduno, I was told the geo was essentially identical, but the Roaduno used
>>> slightly heavier tubing. I'm sure not enough to noticeably affect the ride
>>> feel.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I ended up with a 61.5 Homer.
>>> The frame + cups + seatpost binder bolt and nut + water bottle boss
>>> bolts weighs 2520g
>>> The fork + crown race weighs 890g (steerer length is ~290mm)
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:30 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>>
 Out of curiosity I just weighed the spare fork I have for my Riv
 custom, built for 700c wheels and 47-57mm reach brakes with the brake
 blocks at the bottom of the slot. It comes in at 830g, and that's with a
 steerer that's 270mm long, as it's intended for use in a 63cm frame with a
 210mm head tube.

 NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-27 Thread brendonoid 
Jumping in as this tails off, but recently I inherited some shop scales and 
started weighing everything. 
It has only just occurred to me how light our Rivendells generally are in 
the grand scheme of things. Rim brakes really do make a difference in how 
light the forks can be built and that seems to be a huge factor in overall 
weights.
Just something that's been on my radar lately, I have been planning on 
trying to get my Homer as light as possible now that it has been retired 
from commuter duty. Excited to see a lightweight build to get the ideas 
flowing!

On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 22:21:15 UTC+8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> For real! I was just thinking the same thing.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
Ha ha.  I guarantee Grant will approve of my build.  I'd wager on it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:40:11 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:

> For real! I was just thinking the same thing.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-26 Thread Brian Turner 
For real! I was just thinking the same thing.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Grant is so disappointed in this group right now
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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-26 Thread Bill Lindsay 
If my Gallop fork comes in at 840g, then it should be pretty easy to get 
under 9kg total, which would be saucy.  I might even add a bell at that 
point!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 4:29:35 AM UTC-8 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_3900.jpeg]To add another data point, I weighted my Roadini 
> fork that came with my 57cm frame: 840g. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 07:30:22 UTC+10:30 Danny wrote:
>
>> Matthias, when I talked to Riv to help choosing between a Homer and 
>> Roaduno, I was told the geo was essentially identical, but the Roaduno used 
>> slightly heavier tubing. I'm sure not enough to noticeably affect the ride 
>> feel.
>>
>> Anyway, I ended up with a 61.5 Homer. 
>> The frame + cups + seatpost binder bolt and nut + water bottle boss bolts 
>> weighs 2520g
>> The fork + crown race weighs 890g (steerer length is ~290mm)
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:30 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity I just weighed the spare fork I have for my Riv custom, 
>>> built for 700c wheels and 47-57mm reach brakes with the brake blocks at the 
>>> bottom of the slot. It comes in at 830g, and that's with a steerer that's 
>>> 270mm long, as it's intended for use in a 63cm frame with a 210mm head tube.
>>>
>>> NIck Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-26 Thread Johnny Alien 
Grant is so disappointed in this group right now

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 7:29:35 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> [image: IMG_3900.jpeg]To add another data point, I weighted my Roadini 
> fork that came with my 57cm frame: 840g. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 07:30:22 UTC+10:30 Danny wrote:
>
>> Matthias, when I talked to Riv to help choosing between a Homer and 
>> Roaduno, I was told the geo was essentially identical, but the Roaduno used 
>> slightly heavier tubing. I'm sure not enough to noticeably affect the ride 
>> feel.
>>
>> Anyway, I ended up with a 61.5 Homer. 
>> The frame + cups + seatpost binder bolt and nut + water bottle boss bolts 
>> weighs 2520g
>> The fork + crown race weighs 890g (steerer length is ~290mm)
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:30 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity I just weighed the spare fork I have for my Riv custom, 
>>> built for 700c wheels and 47-57mm reach brakes with the brake blocks at the 
>>> bottom of the slot. It comes in at 830g, and that's with a steerer that's 
>>> 270mm long, as it's intended for use in a 63cm frame with a 210mm head tube.
>>>
>>> NIck Payne
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New build challenge: Roadini vs Gallop

2024-11-25 Thread Danny 
Matthias, when I talked to Riv to help choosing between a Homer and
Roaduno, I was told the geo was essentially identical, but the Roaduno used
slightly heavier tubing. I'm sure not enough to noticeably affect the ride
feel.

Anyway, I ended up with a 61.5 Homer.
The frame + cups + seatpost binder bolt and nut + water bottle boss bolts
weighs 2520g
The fork + crown race weighs 890g (steerer length is ~290mm)

-Danny

On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:30 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> Out of curiosity I just weighed the spare fork I have for my Riv custom,
> built for 700c wheels and 47-57mm reach brakes with the brake blocks at the
> bottom of the slot. It comes in at 830g, and that's with a steerer that's
> 270mm long, as it's intended for use in a 63cm frame with a 210mm head tube.
>
> NIck Payne
>
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