Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Sarah Carlson]

CONGRATULATIONS on the new PLATYPUS! And that Antonio build is a fabulous 
choice. The Billie Bars are a dream, and if this set up doesn't make her 
fall in love in riding I don't know what will. I have a B67 on my Platypus. 
I was riding for a while on the Rivet Sonora which is by far my most 
beautiful saddle. For me it's a little narrow for the more upright 
positioning I have on the Platypus. I'm going to try it on my Homer build 
where the positioning is a little different. Rivet has a great return 
program... but I can't give it up because it is so pretty.  If they made 
the Loveland in Ivory I would get it. Meanwhile the B67 feels amazing on 
lady sit bones, even if it's the spring saddle and I feel a little silly 
with all the squeaking. There are so many options if you go with the 
Loveland I would be interested to hear back!

And for anyone on the search for a Platypus, there is a Sergio Green 55 
Complete at Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley CA (also a purple 50 complete).

Sarah

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 4:54:27 PM UTC-8 SeanMac wrote:

> Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
> conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
> a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
> triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
> purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
> together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  
>
> All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
> width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
> there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
> Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
> Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
> read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
> myself.
>
> Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
> decision-making process.
>
> Sean
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I 
>> cannot see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>>
>> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
 hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want 
 to 
 spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
 personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
 RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
 matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
 the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
> look at every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
> very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
> fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
>> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
>> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
>> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want 
>> to 
>> blow the budget. I surmise the OP 

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats to you and your wife! Thats a killer color too! We shall all 
demand photos when it arrives.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:04:02 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have Rivets! I would love to try the Loveland but only have the Sonora. 
> It’s really great. Mount it level. For some reason the Brooks need a little 
> nose-up, but the Rivets like to be flat.
> Leah
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:54 PM, SeanMac  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
> conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
> a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
> triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
> purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
> together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  
>
>
> All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
> width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
> there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
> Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
> Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
> read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
> myself.
>
> Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
> decision-making process.
>
> Sean
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I 
>> cannot see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>>
>> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
 hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want 
 to 
 spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
 personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
 RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
 matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
 the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
> look at every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
> very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
> fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
>> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
>> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
>> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want 
>> to 
>> blow the budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his 
>> wife 
>> might fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete 
>> is 
>> a great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, 
>> let 
>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>> parts she wants later. 
>>
>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she 
>> can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make 
>> us 
>> fall in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[SeanMac]

Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  

All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
myself.

Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
decision-making process.

Sean

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I cannot 
> see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>
> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
>>> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
>>> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
>>> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
>>> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
>>> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
>>> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
 mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
 hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
 dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
 look at every day. 

 From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
 it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
 very 
 well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 

 Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
 agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
 fine. 

 The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
 only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
 plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 




 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
> again because my name got mentioned.
>
>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to 
> blow the budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his 
> wife 
> might fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete 
> is 
> a great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, 
> let 
> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
> parts she wants later. 
>
> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she 
> can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us 
> fall in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>> thing I just made up
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
 immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I cannot
see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.

My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.

Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell and
> live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most
> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is
> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek
>> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to
>> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and
>> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter
>> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that
>> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if
>> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended
>>> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few
>>> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to
>>> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to
>>> look at every day.
>>>
>>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to
>>> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very
>>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more.
>>>
>>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are
>>> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine.
>>>
>>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may
>>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is
>>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in
 again because my name got mentioned.

  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit
 for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the
 sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question
 doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the
 budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might
 fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a
 great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let
 her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the
 parts she wants later.

 Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she
 can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us
 fall in love with the gifts our men give us.

 Leah

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>
>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a
>> thing I just made up
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an
>>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful
>>> point!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment
 since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
 which
 was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.
 Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have 
 fun
 helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any
 questions.

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> @Tim -
>
> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at
>> it.  So yeah they're basically the same.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear
>> rack, fenders, and a p

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell and 
live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
>> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
>> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
>> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
>> every day. 
>>
>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
>> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>>
>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
>> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>>
>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>>
>>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>>> parts she wants later. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:

> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
> thing I just made up
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
>> point! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>>> which 
>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot. 
>>>  
>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have 
>>> fun 
>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>>> questions.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Tim -

 Here's my 52 blue Clem.

 Kim Hetzel.


 On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at 
> it.  So yeah they're basically the same.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
> every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>> parts she wants later. 
>>
>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>>
 also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
 thing I just made up

 On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
> point! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>> which 
>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>> questions.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Tim -
>>>
>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
 Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
 So yeah they're basically the same.  

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
 wrote:

 I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
 rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Garth]

Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
every day. 

>From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 

Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 

The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may only 
be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is plenty 
for the type of riding Sean suggested. 




On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in again 
> because my name got mentioned.
>
>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
> parts she wants later. 
>
> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>> thing I just made up
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
 community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which 
> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
> questions.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Tim -
>>
>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
>>> So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
>>> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

 I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in again 
because my name got mentioned.

 I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit for 
me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the sweet 
spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
parts she wants later. 

Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
in love with the gifts our men give us. 

Leah

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>
>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>> thing I just made up
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
>>> community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
 since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which 
 was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
 Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
 helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
 questions.  

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Tim -
>
> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
>> So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
>> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.

Kim Hetzel.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:

> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a thing
> I just made up
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate
>> community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment
>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which
>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.
>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun
>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Tim -

 Here's my 52 blue Clem.

 Kim Hetzel.


 On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So
> yeah they're basically the same.
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear
> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Ben Compton]

also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a thing
I just made up

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate
> community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point!
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since
>> she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the
>> Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let
>> her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her
>> accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Tim -
>>>
>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
 Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So
 yeah they're basically the same.

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 fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since 
> she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the 
> Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let 
> her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her 
> accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tim -
>>
>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So 
>>> yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
>>> fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Pam Bikes]

Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since 
she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the 
Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let 
her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her 
accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.  

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> @Tim -
>
> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So 
>> yeah they're basically the same.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

@Tim -

Long live the Clem !

Kim Hetzel.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 8:47 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Hi Sean, I'm over here near the Albany end of the Erie Canal trail. I've
> had similar circumstances with my wife. She owned a Trek mixte which she
> really enjoyed. For years I've been telling her about the magic of
> Rivendell Bicycles which mostly went in one ear and out the other. She
> always responded by saying "but I like my current bike".  Last summer a
> used Platypus came up for sale. I showed her pictures and she was very
> interested until she saw the price tag. Even used this was too much for her
> to comfortably pay. Later in the summer we ended up ordering a CLEM
> complete from Riv. The end result was exactly what I was hoping. Once she
> experienced the long wheelbase of the Clem combined with the wider tires
> the difference between her old bike and the new Riv clicked for her. If you
> are hoping for a similar result I think either bike would be a great choice
> but I wouldn't overlook the Clem. Hope that helps!
>
> Tim
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>
>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I
>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie
>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.
>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated
>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy
>> the ride with her.
>>
>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years
>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.
>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems
>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us
>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>>
>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.
>> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and
>> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised
>> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she
>> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't
>> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am
>> reaching out to the group.
>>
>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the
>> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the
>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my
>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[luckyturnip]

Damn now I want one, who has a 52 Clem in the Sacramento area I can look at?-LizOn Jan 3, 2024, at 11:03, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:So true, Richard!I'm an unabashed Clem-lover (thanks for selling me yours, Al!), but with the arrival of the Complete Platypus, I'd almost certainly pay the extra $500 for all of its extra fanciness/elegance/what-have-you. Prior to these completes, the price difference was almost 2x (Clem @ $2k, Platy @ almost $4k), so I think the Clem's value proposition isn't what it used to be. That said, the Clem can do things that aren't  *as*  possible on a Platy - namely fitting massive knobbies and loading up for multi-day singletrack adventures (read: "bikepacking") - if you want to do these sort of rides, go with a Clem, otherwise, I'd snap up one of those $2500 Platys before the price goes up!If you want to ride like this, choose Clem...(FYI Patrick, this is my 64cm Clem with 2.6" (65) front, 2.35" (57) rear with plenty of mud clearance; the 2.6 also fits on the rear without rubbing, but with virtually zero mud clearance)-NickOn Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:“I wouldn’t overlook the Clem.” Truer words never spoken.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 3, 2024, at 11:47 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:Hi Sean, I'm over here near the Albany end of the Erie Canal trail. I've had similar circumstances with my wife. She owned a Trek mixte which she really enjoyed. For years I've been telling her about the magic of Rivendell Bicycles which mostly went in one ear and out the other. She always responded by saying "but I like my current bike".  Last summer a used Platypus came up for sale. I showed her pictures and she was very interested until she saw the price tag. Even used this was too much for her to comfortably pay. Later in the summer we ended up ordering a CLEM complete from Riv. The end result was exactly what I was hoping. Once she experienced the long wheelbase of the Clem combined with the wider tires the difference between her old bike and the new Riv clicked for her. If you are hoping for a similar result I think either bike would be a great choice but I wouldn't overlook the Clem. Hope that helps! TimOn Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy the ride with her.My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am reaching out to the group.I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are much appreciated.Thanks,SeanBuffalo, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Tom Wyland]

Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So yeah 
they're basically the same.  

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

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“I wouldn’t overlook the Clem.” Truer words never spoken.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 3, 2024, at 11:47 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:Hi Sean, I'm over here near the Albany end of the Erie Canal trail. I've had similar circumstances with my wife. She owned a Trek mixte which she really enjoyed. For years I've been telling her about the magic of Rivendell Bicycles which mostly went in one ear and out the other. She always responded by saying "but I like my current bike".  Last summer a used Platypus came up for sale. I showed her pictures and she was very interested until she saw the price tag. Even used this was too much for her to comfortably pay. Later in the summer we ended up ordering a CLEM complete from Riv. The end result was exactly what I was hoping. Once she experienced the long wheelbase of the Clem combined with the wider tires the difference between her old bike and the new Riv clicked for her. If you are hoping for a similar result I think either bike would be a great choice but I wouldn't overlook the Clem. Hope that helps! TimOn Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy the ride with her.My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am reaching out to the group.I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are much appreciated.Thanks,SeanBuffalo, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 9:47:36 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> My Platy with Bosco bars, Nitto R-14, large Saddlesack, tool kit, Dyad 
> wheels, frame pump, dynamo lighting, etc weighs about the same as Kim's 
> naked Clem. So from a weight perspective it's more about the "build and 
> bags" than the frame, in reality.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:52:31 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your responses to my request for information.  I am 
>> very grateful.  Steve - your Platypus is gorgeous!  Is the terrain in that 
>> picture typical of the kind of riding?
>>
>> Sarah and Al - you have kind of hit my dilemma.  I have really enjoyed 
>> the opportunity to bike with my wife, and I hope to do more of it in the 
>> future.  I want her to fall in love with a bike - and I think the Platypus 
>> may do that.  However, as she is not [yet] a bike person, the price tag is 
>> a bit of a stumbling block.  Joyce, you are very kind to offer test rides.  
>> I wish that were an easy option.  My Cheviot is much to big for her, so my 
>> wife can see it, but not actually ride the bike.  Al - I think that she 
>> would be happy with either bike, and that either a Clem or Platypus would 
>> serve her well.  It is difficult to know which will bring the biggest smile 
>> to her fact - which is, of course, the ultimate goal.
>>
>> Kim - thank you for the link to the earlier discussion about this topic.  
>> I searched the list, but did not do as well as you. 
>>
>> Thanks for giving us lots to think about.
>>
>> Best -
>> Sean
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:34:44 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 
>>> lbs with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, 
>>> fenders and frame pump. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.

 I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
 road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy 
 bike. 
 My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
 necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
 low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)

 As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount 
 and the upright riding position.

 The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
 short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just 
> give up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy 
> train 
> riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains 
> for 
> a Clem.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 
>>
>> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
>> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
>> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 
>>
>> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs 
>> the 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 
>> mm 
>> Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
>> 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C 
>> *slick 
>> tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>>
>>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Tom Wyland]

My Platy with Bosco bars, Nitto R-14, large Saddlesack, tool kit, Dyad 
wheels, frame pump, dynamo lighting, etc weighs about the same as Kim's 
naked Clem. So from a weight perspective it's more about the "build and 
bags" than the frame, in reality.

Tom

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:52:31 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:

> Thanks for all of your responses to my request for information.  I am very 
> grateful.  Steve - your Platypus is gorgeous!  Is the terrain in that 
> picture typical of the kind of riding?
>
> Sarah and Al - you have kind of hit my dilemma.  I have really enjoyed the 
> opportunity to bike with my wife, and I hope to do more of it in the 
> future.  I want her to fall in love with a bike - and I think the Platypus 
> may do that.  However, as she is not [yet] a bike person, the price tag is 
> a bit of a stumbling block.  Joyce, you are very kind to offer test rides.  
> I wish that were an easy option.  My Cheviot is much to big for her, so my 
> wife can see it, but not actually ride the bike.  Al - I think that she 
> would be happy with either bike, and that either a Clem or Platypus would 
> serve her well.  It is difficult to know which will bring the biggest smile 
> to her fact - which is, of course, the ultimate goal.
>
> Kim - thank you for the link to the earlier discussion about this topic.  
> I searched the list, but did not do as well as you. 
>
> Thanks for giving us lots to think about.
>
> Best -
> Sean
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:34:44 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 
>> lbs with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, 
>> fenders and frame pump. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
>>> 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.
>>>
>>> I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
>>> road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy bike. 
>>> My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
>>> necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
>>> low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)
>>>
>>> As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount 
>>> and the upright riding position.
>>>
>>> The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
>>> short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give 
 up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train 
 riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for 
 a Clem.

 On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 
>
> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 
>
> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 
> 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm 
> Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
> 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C 
> *slick 
> tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>
>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[SeanMac]

Thanks for all of your responses to my request for information.  I am very 
grateful.  Steve - your Platypus is gorgeous!  Is the terrain in that 
picture typical of the kind of riding?

Sarah and Al - you have kind of hit my dilemma.  I have really enjoyed the 
opportunity to bike with my wife, and I hope to do more of it in the 
future.  I want her to fall in love with a bike - and I think the Platypus 
may do that.  However, as she is not [yet] a bike person, the price tag is 
a bit of a stumbling block.  Joyce, you are very kind to offer test rides.  
I wish that were an easy option.  My Cheviot is much to big for her, so my 
wife can see it, but not actually ride the bike.  Al - I think that she 
would be happy with either bike, and that either a Clem or Platypus would 
serve her well.  It is difficult to know which will bring the biggest smile 
to her fact - which is, of course, the ultimate goal.

Kim - thank you for the link to the earlier discussion about this topic.  I 
searched the list, but did not do as well as you. 

Thanks for giving us lots to think about.

Best -
Sean

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:34:44 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 
> lbs with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, 
> fenders and frame pump. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
>> 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.
>>
>> I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
>> road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy bike. 
>> My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
>> necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
>> low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)
>>
>> As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount 
>> and the upright riding position.
>>
>> The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
>> short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give 
>>> up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train 
>>> riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for 
>>> a Clem.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 

 I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
 difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
 utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 

 Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 
 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm 
 Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C 
 *slick 
 tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?



 On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:

> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 lbs 
with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, fenders 
and frame pump. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
> 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.
>
> I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
> road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy bike. 
> My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
> necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
> low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)
>
> As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount and 
> the upright riding position.
>
> The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
> short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give 
>> up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train 
>> riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for 
>> a Clem.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 
>>>
>>> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
>>> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
>>> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 
>>>
>>> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 
>>> 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm 
>>> Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
>>> 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C *slick 
>>> tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>>>
 ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.

>>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Kim H.]

I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run
27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.

I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off
road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy bike.
My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and
necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having
low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)

As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount and
the upright riding position.

The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and
short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.

Kim Hetzel.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give up
> trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train riding
> -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for a Clem.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"?
>>
>> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the
>> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more
>> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.*
>>
>> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 59
>> cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm Kendas
>> (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 700C 
>> *knobby
>> tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C *slick tire?* Can
>> it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>>
>>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Patrick Moore]

I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give up
trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train riding
-- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for a Clem.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"?
>
> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the
> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more
> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.*
>
> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 59
> cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm Kendas
> (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 700C *knobby
> tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C *slick tire?* Can
> it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>
>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Patrick Moore]

Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"?

I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the
difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more
utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.*

Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 59
cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm Kendas
(iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 700C *knobby
tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C *slick tire?* Can
it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?



On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:

> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
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