Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-27 Thread Igor Belopolsky 
What about a vigorelli?

http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=307

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> $600! That is nice, and it's affordable. My brother recently bought a
> Black Mountain monster cross frameset (forget name) and that too is nice,
> especially given that he paid half of what I paid for my Matthews, and that
> Chauncey charged between half and 1/3 of what he should have charged.
>
> Thanks for the tip. One more to seriously consider.
>
> I recall one day, long long ago, when my nephew was 4 years old (he's now
> 25 or 26 and earning a lot more than I), taking him to KMart, and telling
> him that he could choose *one* toy. He slowly walked up and down the
> action figure car shelf, carefully considering each package, and murmured
> solemnly to himself, "So many choices!"
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Chris  wrote:
>
>> So, I didn't see it mentioned so I'll mention it...  Mike Varley at Black
>> Mountain Cycles His Road is fantastic bike in the Riv Road-esque bike
>> and for a great price...
>>
>> May not tick all your boxes, but is a fantastic bike!
>>
>> http://blackmtncycles.com/frames/road-frames/
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:29:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> If you wanted the signature Rivendell road ride, but couldn't afford
>>> another custom or the Roadeo (and didn't want the Ram -- tried one), and if
>>> you thought you might look for an old road racing frame from the '70s, what
>>> would you look for? 120 mm OL spacing.
>>>
>>> After trying out, once again, the S3X hub on the gofast, the hub gear
>>> wheel idea being a quick-swap way to adapt this bike to occasional longer
>>> and hilly rides, I find that the lash is a deal killer. So I want a frame
>>> to build a bike around my AM hub.
>>>
>>> I'd probably give any such frame to Chauncey to have him remove unneeded
>>> braze-ons (like icky derailleur bosses and hangar), and have him braze on
>>> needed ones, like a roller boss at the seat tube junction and a housing
>>> stop mid-top tube for the trigger cable housing, and then have it powder
>>> coated.
>>>
>>> I did have a decent 1973 Motobecane 2nd level Record, and that was close
>>> to what I want, but it wasn't cigar level; it didn't handle quite like my
>>> Rivs.
>>>
>>> (I am tempted to give Chauncey my gofast, and tell him: "Replicate
>>> this." But that would be at least $1200 -- cheap at the price, but more
>>> than I ought to consider at this point.)
>>>
>>> (Wouldn't it be lovely to have a customized Roadeo, 57 for me, without
>>> the derailleur bits?)
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who just again rode the gofast with 95"/71"/59" S3X in
>>> windy ABQ, NM
>>>
>>> Aside: As I turned north onto Corrales Road on the way to Stevie's, with
>>> wind blowing from the south, I shifted into the 95" and bowled along
>>> merrily -- until the road turned and the wind quartered and my cadence
>>> dropped like a stone. How much better the ASC would be: you could have that
>>> downhill and tailwind gear at say 80", and at 90% have a 72" cruising and
>>> at 75% a 59" climbing -- though they say that the ASC also had lashings of
>>> lash. The AM, with direct + 11.55% and - 12.5% would give one, say, a 70"
>>> direct, a 78" high, and a 61" low -- very usable gears, not to mention
>>> coasting.
>>>
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
>>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>>
>>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *
>>> Aristotle
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-27 Thread Patrick Moore 
$600! That is nice, and it's affordable. My brother recently bought a Black
Mountain monster cross frameset (forget name) and that too is nice,
especially given that he paid half of what I paid for my Matthews, and that
Chauncey charged between half and 1/3 of what he should have charged.

Thanks for the tip. One more to seriously consider.

I recall one day, long long ago, when my nephew was 4 years old (he's now
25 or 26 and earning a lot more than I), taking him to KMart, and telling
him that he could choose *one* toy. He slowly walked up and down the action
figure car shelf, carefully considering each package, and murmured solemnly
to himself, "So many choices!"

On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Chris  wrote:

> So, I didn't see it mentioned so I'll mention it...  Mike Varley at Black
> Mountain Cycles His Road is fantastic bike in the Riv Road-esque bike
> and for a great price...
>
> May not tick all your boxes, but is a fantastic bike!
>
> http://blackmtncycles.com/frames/road-frames/
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:29:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If you wanted the signature Rivendell road ride, but couldn't afford
>> another custom or the Roadeo (and didn't want the Ram -- tried one), and if
>> you thought you might look for an old road racing frame from the '70s, what
>> would you look for? 120 mm OL spacing.
>>
>> After trying out, once again, the S3X hub on the gofast, the hub gear
>> wheel idea being a quick-swap way to adapt this bike to occasional longer
>> and hilly rides, I find that the lash is a deal killer. So I want a frame
>> to build a bike around my AM hub.
>>
>> I'd probably give any such frame to Chauncey to have him remove unneeded
>> braze-ons (like icky derailleur bosses and hangar), and have him braze on
>> needed ones, like a roller boss at the seat tube junction and a housing
>> stop mid-top tube for the trigger cable housing, and then have it powder
>> coated.
>>
>> I did have a decent 1973 Motobecane 2nd level Record, and that was close
>> to what I want, but it wasn't cigar level; it didn't handle quite like my
>> Rivs.
>>
>> (I am tempted to give Chauncey my gofast, and tell him: "Replicate this."
>> But that would be at least $1200 -- cheap at the price, but more than I
>> ought to consider at this point.)
>>
>> (Wouldn't it be lovely to have a customized Roadeo, 57 for me, without
>> the derailleur bits?)
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who just again rode the gofast with 95"/71"/59" S3X in
>> windy ABQ, NM
>>
>> Aside: As I turned north onto Corrales Road on the way to Stevie's, with
>> wind blowing from the south, I shifted into the 95" and bowled along
>> merrily -- until the road turned and the wind quartered and my cadence
>> dropped like a stone. How much better the ASC would be: you could have that
>> downhill and tailwind gear at say 80", and at 90% have a 72" cruising and
>> at 75% a 59" climbing -- though they say that the ASC also had lashings of
>> lash. The AM, with direct + 11.55% and - 12.5% would give one, say, a 70"
>> direct, a 78" high, and a 61" low -- very usable gears, not to mention
>> coasting.
>>
>> --
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>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> 
>> 
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-27 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks for this, Bill. Actually, I haven't yet gotten to the "what do I
really want divided by what can I really afford" part of the equation,
though I look back and tearfully sniff with nostalgia at that 1973
Motobecane I got for about $75 shipped, about 2/3 of which was shipping
(eBay seller made up with shipping some of what he lost on my winning bid;
IIRC, I won the bid with $25 and paid the $50 for shipping; circa 2006-7 or
so).

Really, what I ought to do is spend say $200-$300 and have the gofast
modified and powdercoated so that it will take a rear brake and the trigger
shift apparatus for the AM; I don't really *want* another bike that is not
a custom or a bona fide Rivendell Road model, unless I can be sure that
whatever substitute it might be really does handle and feel like a
Rivendell, which is certainly a long shot.

My hand over hand buying and selling ended some years ago; I really don't
want more bikes; well, that's not true, but I am far more picky now than
before. (Let's turn this into a "So, what *other *bikes would you buy if
you could?" thread.)

But this will be a nice application to play with at this early pipe dream
stage.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Patrick, after all these years I understand you going through bikes more
> often than I go through pairs of socks. But I do think you should post a
> price range you have in mind.
>
> To wit, there is a young man at work from Grand Junction with a 1978
> Miyata (I remember a Prestige decal, but didn't see if it was #1 or #2)
> with darn good original paint. He paid a whopping $75 it and rides it every
> day (he did replace chain, cables and brake pads-all parts that don't wear
> are original). Just giving you a "for instance".
>
> Here is something you can while away those cold, windy nights: http://www.
> searchtempest.com/
>
> It compiles classified ads including CL and eBay, and is pretty darn fun
> to play with since. There are still some great garage sale finds out there
> to had! Particularly in college towns.
>
> Teaser: search eBay for this Buy Now: Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra
>
> I look forward to seeing what you find!
>
> Cheers
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 5:29:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> If you wanted the signature Rivendell road ride, but couldn't afford
>> another custom or the Roadeo (and didn't want the Ram -- tried one), and if
>> you thought you might look for an old road racing frame from the '70s, what
>> would you look for? 120 mm OL spacing.
>>
>> After trying out, once again, the S3X hub on the gofast, the hub gear
>> wheel idea being a quick-swap way to adapt this bike to occasional longer
>> and hilly rides, I find that the lash is a deal killer. So I want a frame
>> to build a bike around my AM hub.
>>
>> I'd probably give any such frame to Chauncey to have him remove unneeded
>> braze-ons (like icky derailleur bosses and hangar), and have him braze on
>> needed ones, like a roller boss at the seat tube junction and a housing
>> stop mid-top tube for the trigger cable housing, and then have it powder
>> coated.
>>
>> I did have a decent 1973 Motobecane 2nd level Record, and that was close
>> to what I want, but it wasn't cigar level; it didn't handle quite like my
>> Rivs.
>>
>> (I am tempted to give Chauncey my gofast, and tell him: "Replicate this."
>> But that would be at least $1200 -- cheap at the price, but more than I
>> ought to consider at this point.)
>>
>> (Wouldn't it be lovely to have a customized Roadeo, 57 for me, without
>> the derailleur bits?)
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who just again rode the gofast with 95"/71"/59" S3X in
>> windy ABQ, NM
>>
>> Aside: As I turned north onto Corrales Road on the way to Stevie's, with
>> wind blowing from the south, I shifted into the 95" and bowled along
>> merrily -- until the road turned and the wind quartered and my cadence
>> dropped like a stone. How much better the ASC would be: you could have that
>> downhill and tailwind gear at say 80", and at 90% have a 72" cruising and
>> at 75% a 59" climbing -- though they say that the ASC also had lashings of
>> lash. The AM, with direct + 11.55% and - 12.5% would give one, say, a 70"
>> direct, a 78" high, and a 61" low -- very usable gears, not to mention
>> coasting.
>>
>> --
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
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>> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> 
>> 
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross st

Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-23 Thread Igor Belopolsky 
For sure - Did you see the price? pretty great. I'd grab it if I needed a
frame

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:13 AM, JohnS  wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up on the Holdsworth. The Holdsworth La Quelda looks
> like it would be perfect as a fixed gear commuter.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 8:16:05 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Has this been mentioned?
>>
>> http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRHOZPH/holdsworth-zephyr-frameset
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-23 Thread JohnS 
Thanks for the heads up on the Holdsworth. The Holdsworth La Quelda looks 
like it would be perfect as a fixed gear commuter.

JohnS


On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 8:16:05 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Has this been mentioned? 
>
> http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRHOZPH/holdsworth-zephyr-frameset
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-23 Thread Belopsky 
Has this been mentioned? 

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRHOZPH/holdsworth-zephyr-frameset

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-22 Thread Ryan Fleming 
Hi Patrick...you know I've often sung the praises of my early 70's PX-10 
which certainly has the bad paint...think the oln might be 126 and I'm sure 
one in decent condition could be had for not too much. Mine was retrofitted 
with a VO threadless bottom bracket, a cobbled together out of mostly tange 
bits for HS so I could run Nitto tech stem and moustache barsI do 
really love the ride. Or an old Raleigh...or take a look at Retrogrouch's 
blog and take a peak at his lovely new Mercian which is a buttery yellow 
with a metallic bronzy headtube...oh and it's a fix...I think it's 
gorgeous. I like his blog,too.

http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.ca/2016/10/october-sunday-ride.html  


On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 8:19:30 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies. I'll keep a sharp eye out for a good old racing 
> frame from the pre-crit era with horizontal dropouts and bad paint, for 
> cheap. And if anyone has more personal experience comparing particular 
> makes/models with Rivendell road models, I'd like to hear from him/her.
>
> I think I'll prefer a racing bike for the lighter tubing and fewer braze 
> ons; this will be a dedicated, retro-style gofast bike (of a sort; I'm not 
> very fast, but I do like light bikes). I don't need the braze ons; I've got 
> 2 other bikes with full braze ons.
>
> Why a separate bike for the AM hub? Because why not? More particularly, it 
> would be nice to have it match somewhat the period of the hub. Craig, if 
> you read this, the AM is very definitely *not* a substitute for a TF!
>
> I'll use wheels appropriate to the frame, which if it is used and meets my 
> other criteria will be 700C.
>
> Ray: what exactly do you mean by "it rides naively"? I can live with 
> French threading for a top line Motobecane, though of course I'd prefer 
> English. Rather wish I'd kept the Motobecane I once owned.
>
> John -- thanks. I'm not quite ready yet, though I'll keep the Brothel in 
> mind. Just ended up paying more than I had anticipated for the Matthews 
> crank conversion (but it will be nice!) I'm hoping for another deal as with 
> the Motobecane: $25 on eBay with $30-40 shipping.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-22 Thread Patrick Moore 
Ray -- "Nice" is fine, too. Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ray Varella 
wrote:

> That was a typo on my part Patrick.
> I intended to write "nice riding" not naive.
>
> Ray
> Vallejo CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-22 Thread Ray Varella 
That was a typo on my part Patrick. 
I intended to write "nice riding" not naive. 

Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick Moore 
Thanks for the replies. I'll keep a sharp eye out for a good old racing
frame from the pre-crit era with horizontal dropouts and bad paint, for
cheap. And if anyone has more personal experience comparing particular
makes/models with Rivendell road models, I'd like to hear from him/her.

I think I'll prefer a racing bike for the lighter tubing and fewer braze
ons; this will be a dedicated, retro-style gofast bike (of a sort; I'm not
very fast, but I do like light bikes). I don't need the braze ons; I've got
2 other bikes with full braze ons.

Why a separate bike for the AM hub? Because why not? More particularly, it
would be nice to have it match somewhat the period of the hub. Craig, if
you read this, the AM is very definitely *not* a substitute for a TF!

I'll use wheels appropriate to the frame, which if it is used and meets my
other criteria will be 700C.

Ray: what exactly do you mean by "it rides naively"? I can live with French
threading for a top line Motobecane, though of course I'd prefer English.
Rather wish I'd kept the Motobecane I once owned.

John -- thanks. I'm not quite ready yet, though I'll keep the Brothel in
mind. Just ended up paying more than I had anticipated for the Matthews
crank conversion (but it will be nice!) I'm hoping for another deal as with
the Motobecane: $25 on eBay with $30-40 shipping.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-20 Thread Belopsky 
Yup, Igor here..

Honestly I am not entirely sure - you'd have to look at Mercian geometry or 
contact BJ...most of their frames are NxN - but I saw some old ones on ebay 
with longer top tubes than seat tubes, if that is what you are after - 
There is a Mercian on ebay right now that has a 52 or 53 seat tube and 55 
top tube for instance..

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 11:15:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Is your name Igor? Or am I confusing you with another poster? If so, sorry.
>
> Thanks. What models were these? And to be clear: you've found these to 
> mimic Rivendell road bikes' handling? I mean the signature stability with 
> intuitive or even unthinking perfection in turn-in. 
>
> I want ideas about a frame that has these handling qualities.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Bob Jackson? Mercian (Enjoy waiting a year for it, though, if ordering 
>> new)
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 6:36:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I want *more.*
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>

   Don't you already have a Rivendell (or 2 or 3 or more)?  Howz that 
 for "cheap" , you don't even have to pay for it to ride one ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore 
Jim: the AM was a clubmen's (and doubtless clubwomen's) hub, with
freewheel, that had medium gaps as described -- direct, + 11.55%, - 12.5%.
I could set it up, for example, with a ~70" direct 2nd and have a 78"
high/3d and a 61" 1st/low, an excellent spread for my riding. (SA made 3
speed hubs for time trialists that were even tighter, and gave the
equivalent of a straight block, assuming your block was a 3 cog block.
There were 2, whose nomenclature I forget, but if your cruising gear was,
say, 80", they'd give you roughly a 85" high and a 75" low.)

The smart thing would be to have Chauncey add rear brake braze ons to the
gofast, but the alternative is to find a bike, or a frame, that handles
pretty much like a Rivendell road model.. I could live with 126; I just
want suggestions from people who know the Rivendell feel and can suggest
makes and models to look out for.

The more I think about this, the more it simply makes sense to spend a few
hundred $$ having the gofast altered; after all, I could still ride it
fixed, and that would remain its primary function. But as I age (61), I'm
finding it nice to have a range of gears.

(Yes, I know I could build up a derailleur bike, but I *want* a bike for
the AM.)

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> I enjoy your "looking for hen's teeth" quests. Is this to be another
> fixie? What's an AM hub?
>
> It sounds like you want some one who is familiar with the Riv ride and is
> also old enough to have ridden a bunch of '70s bikes so they can recommend
> one that is obscure enough not to command a vintage price.
>
> My favorite older bikes are a Merckx, a 3Rensho, and a Gazelle, all of
> which, in my opinion, handle well and cost me less than $400 each. Of
> those, Gazelle is obscure enough to be relatively inexpensive for a bike
> made from 531. But my bikes are all late '70s or 'early '80s and have 126
> spacing. Your search for a 120 makes it much more difficult, especially to
> find a decent one at a non-vintage price. Bertin, Gitane, RIH (another
> Dutch maker), might be what you're looking for. There are the Swedish-made
> Crescents, some of which are 531. I'm sure there a bunch of other obscure
> brands that I don't know about too. I'd probably look for a Brit bike,
> though, but finding one at a low cost from that era will be difficult.
>
> happy huntin'
> jim m
> wc, ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore 
Is your name Igor? Or am I confusing you with another poster? If so, sorry.

Thanks. What models were these? And to be clear: you've found these to
mimic Rivendell road bikes' handling? I mean the signature stability with
intuitive or even unthinking perfection in turn-in.

I want ideas about a frame that has these handling qualities.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Bob Jackson? Mercian (Enjoy waiting a year for it, though, if ordering new)
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 6:36:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but I want *more.*
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   Don't you already have a Rivendell (or 2 or 3 or more)?  Howz that for
>>> "cheap" , you don't even have to pay for it to ride one !
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-19 Thread Belopsky 
Bob Jackson? Mercian (Enjoy waiting a year for it, though, if ordering new)

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 6:36:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Yeah, but I want *more.*
>
> Anyone?
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>   Don't you already have a Rivendell (or 2 or 3 or more)?  Howz that for 
>> "cheap" , you don't even have to pay for it to ride one ! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Rivendell Road/Roadeo substitute?

2016-11-19 Thread Patrick Moore 
Yeah, but I want *more.*

Anyone?

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Garth  wrote:

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